Bloomberg: Sony's 100k in sales included PS2

According to Bloomberg Japan, the recent statements by Sony that they had moved 100k units in the US in one week actually included PS2 sales.

Quote:

The price cut and new model helped Sony increase sales of all consoles including the older PlayStation 2 to 100,000 units in the week ended Nov. 11, (Sony) spokeswoman Kimberly Otzman said in an e-mail.

Note by Kspraydad:

I've contacted the reporter and the email he received was in response to his writing Sony to ask for clarification of numbers quoted by AP. I've changed the title to remove the ? mark as it is no longer in question as to what Sony meant by the 100k.

[Itachi]

i think everyone in japan already has a ps2

[fredy]

Sony lieing again....

What else is new...

[Zhuk]

This is why I never believe anything Sony says, because they lie to their consumers and to the valued customers. I have bought every single Playstation system they have made yet stuff like this always leaves a dry taste in my mouth

[Xbox is the BEST]

agree with you Zhuk. The Emotion Engine was hyped, Gamecube has better graphics. Don't lie to a paying customer.

[Zhuk]

I agree friend, the Emotion Engine was one of the most overhyped pieces of garbage in gaming history. Sometimes I go back and read the tech specs on it released by Sony to have a good laugh because it's so ridiculous.

Anyways its good to see more people on this site telling it how it is, especially with the Sony fandroid infection we have here. Bubble for you!

[DJ]

Xbox and Gamecube. I don't know what you guys are blabbering about. Are you angry that Sony understated how powerful it was? (look to God of War 2 and MGS 3 for proof).

[fredy]

about the ps2 having more power i dont know what kind of drugs you are doing cause last time i checked all the games on xbox that ps2 have have alot better graphics then the ps2.

FACT

Go rent the games..and if in fact the Emotion was more powerful, whatt does that tell you about the looks of the Multi games?

and if that doesn't say much then what does it tell you today with the nextgen consoles and multi games...

[diatom]

Nasim, finally give up on the PS3? Nice name change too, but I guess you are not too happy with it hence the second account in 2.1. Well I am glad you are happy with your x-box 360 now, that and Microsoft's spotless reputation with truthyness with the customer base. They sure owned up to the RROD hardware issues right away! Yup if you can't trust Microsoft, who can you trust?

[GIJeff]

wasnt the limit for the PS2, that what the rest of the system's fault. The emotion engine was able to crank out as much horsepower as a P4 2.4 GHZ. Where do you think "off the toy shelf computing" came from? The Xbox has a 733mhz p3. The emotion engine was much faster for AI, physics, etc...

[bestgamer94]

and no company lies?
huh?
all do trust me :P

[Genuine]

I don't know of any mainstream business that lies as much and as frequently as sony's games division. Any hardcore gamer that has been around since the ps1 should know that sony is full of ****.

[gnothe1]

theres a difference between lying an deception. sony is full of deception!! they like to deceive people, an make things seem better than they are to get personal gain!!

[ReBurn]

Lying and deception are the same thing. Both involve not telling the truth.

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

No, deception is not telling the FULL truth, in other words only telling part of the story but hiding other parts.

I think Sony was being deceptive rather than outright lying. Unless Stringer said it was 100k ps3's sold.

[Sez]

and sonyfans where just hyped up about the 100k sales in one week. sony is not looking good in their PR dept.

[Martini]

Tell us something we don't know. Sony = hype and BS.

[Loudninja]

The dude who made this will not listen

http://blog.wired.com/games...

Sony just confiremd yet again its 100k for the PS3 and only the PS3.I am not going to approve this

[tplarkin7]

Besides, the quote itself doesn't refer to a sum of all consoles. It could be read as two statements:
"increased sales for all consoles"
"including the PS2 to 100,000"

It's may just be poor grammar.

[jack who]

sony sure knows how to play how low can u go

[Kaneda]

I spotted 4 xbots and more are coming... watch the PS3 bashing begin...

[Drillin]

Looks like next NPD will be a lot of damage controling

[ThisIsWaiting]

Sony must be sh*tting their pants ... if not, there wouldnt be so much friggan deception.

Its truly becoming pathetic.

[hahahabutt]

I went to 2 bestbuys in my orlando area and there flooded with PS3 all over the entire store, on floors and stuff..lol Its amazing.

[Armyless]

Don't know what you're smoking but I'll take a hit.

[solidt12]

This news does not affect me. Im glad they are selling more consoles but why fuss about a mistake. As long as the games keep rolling in im happy.

[lawman1108]

The release of Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction appears to have little impact, as hardware sales dropped 2,000 month-to-month. D'oh

[HarryEtTubMan]

nOT TRUE

[PS3 Limps on and on]

Does Sony think people are stupid? They're gonna see the NPD next month. Why would they be bragging if 100k excluded the PS2.

I mean if that includes the PS2, and it only sold 100k that's nothing.

I remember the article also saying that sales were up to 100k from the 30k - 40k from before. I know PS3/PS2 combined wasn't selling 40k.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

This doesn't affect me one bit, I'm Glad I have a PS3, and who cares if it even Includes the PS2?, think of the PS2 as a much Lower end PS3, since the PS2 is still fully supported.

[Danja]

OK then if they included PS2 sales im sure it would have been way over 100k....

ppl are just trying to ruin the 40GB parade..get over it..the PS3 saw a huge sale increase...and will continue to sell well....!!

PLAY B3YOND....!!!

[krazee]

PSP
PS2
PS3 vs Xbox360, Wii/ DS. hey atleast Nintendo has more than 1 system they still working and continue to develope games for.
As for MS, they abandon Xbox PERIOD!! Sooner or later that 360 you have will also be abandon. It's the MS way. Just like they do in the PC world. If you dont move with them, they leave you in

[DJ]

No company can lie about sales figures and get away with it. Just look at HD-DVD Association and their overstatement of Transformers HD-DVD sales. They said that they've been selling over 100,000 PS3s a week since the 40GB launched and the price drop for the 80GB went into effect.

Looks like the Playstation-haters are getting more and more upset.

[Armyless]

I don't know if the 100k includes the PS2, but considering Microsoft discontinued the original Xbox, I count PS2 sales as loyal fans of the Sony brand in gaming.

It's amazing what people will do to avoid buying an Xbox.

[Xbox is the BEST]

how come the PS#2 userbase in America can't outsell the Madden 08 userbase on the 360 with about 50 million PS#2? Some loyal fanbase.

[DJ]

Plus, the PS3 version actually sold quite a lot of units for its modest installed-base in the U.S. Personally, I'd be more interested in the 360 version since that's the best version...if I was interested in Madden. You can either take it as "PS2 owners aren't loyal", or simply take notice that EA had huge losses last quarter and that their quality stinks. Consumers aren't dumb. I was actually shocked that so many 360 owners purchased it, considering the low quality.

[Loudninja]

the PS2 is NOT INCLDUDED!

[ravinash]

As soon as they hear what they want to hear, then their off.
Just let them have their little rant and know their idiots because they can't even read.

[Filanime03]

It said even the ps2 sales have increase to 100k. People are stupid to believe this. READ THE ARTICLE FIRST. We will wait for the npd numbers to prove this. Hey contributor u use the quote's from a sony spokesman to twist around again. This is a flamebait article. Even if u edited the title of the article fanboys will fight.
Here is the quote from the article READ IT CAREFULLY:

"The price cut and new model helped Sony increase sales of all consoles including the older PlayStation 2 to 100,000 units in the week ended Nov. 11, spokeswoman Kimberly Otzman said in an e-mail".

If people knows how to read. It stated that even the ps2 sales has raise up to 100,000k a week. It din't say that 100k includes the ps3 sales. The 100k is just for ps2 sales only ok. This is one of the stupidest flame bait that I read in N4g. The contributor is stupid u just wanna hear fanboys fight with their stupid remarks to each other. Well guess what 360 and ps3 fanboys are popping up every where good job.

[Kaneda]

Xbots don't read they bash!! :)

Bash definition -– verb (used with object)
1. to strike with a crushing or smashing blow to Sony PS3...

[Hugh Hefner]

Given the fact that the PS2 has been steadily declining (182k for AN ENTIRE MONTH), there hasn't been a price drop for it or any big title hitting, I have to disagree with you. I highly doubt PS2 sold 100,00 in one week, and the PS3, and the PSP. I will side more with the "Playstation Family" sold 100,000 consoles in one week.

[Filanime03]

Hey hugh hefner the reason why the ps2 sales rose up is because it is the holiday season already. Almost all systems would rise up. Even the 7 year old ps2 has a fire still left. Do not understimate the ps2 sales and for only 130 bucks people will bite on to buy one. As u can see lately even the ps2 are getting advertisement and still getting games. The same with DS for only 130 dollars its one of the cheapest console to get and its one of the great gifts for this holiday the same as the ps2 console.

[Bladestar]

and there you have it... Sony at their best... playing at their best... half truth.... Sony, "We never said Playstation 3... we said playstation... and we have Playstation 1, Playstation 2, Playstation 3, Playstation portable.... uhhh... did we say PS3? I don't recall us saying PS3..." This is how Sony tries to gather developers and movies studio support... by covering the truth with dirt...
wow... let's hope Nintendo does not start doing the same about the wii... you know.. including DS sales when they are talking about consoles... LOL... sony.

[Loudninja]

really.

[fenderputty]

None of the fanboys are paying attention to you or, the fact that this is total crap. They're too busy stroking each others johnsons and patting themselves on the back.

[Kaneda]

There you have it...xbots @ their best....

Man, so many posts about xbots are not reading the article... Instead just bashing... and they still refuse to read... Wow!

[TruthbeTold]

Anyone who knows me, knows I am definitely no PS3 defender. But considering the fact that the major claim of this article is just not true at all, this "news" is unworthy of the site. Imagine if this crap was written about your favorite system. As much as some of you like to talk crap, surely you want to talk crap about what is true, and not what is false right?

[alfredoggy]

Who cares! I own a PS3, PC, PSP, DS. Who cares about what's selling and what's not? Blah blah blah, PS3 is better than 360. Blah blah blah, 360 is better than PS3..... Six years from now... Who's going to care? We should all just get a life. Hey, I'll go first!!

[Xbox is the BEST]

NPD will clear this up next month.

[Xbox is the BEST]

NPD will clear this up next month.

[PS3 Limps on and on]

Sony said it sold more than 100,000 consoles of all types in the week ending Nov. 11.

"It's the breakthrough we've been anticipating," Stringer said. "We've been holding our breath."

Sony said it had been selling between 30,000 and 40,000 consoles per week before the Oct. 18 price cut from $599 to $499 of the 80 GB model.

Sales rose to 75,000 in the week of Oct. 29, reflecting both the lower price of the high-end model and the introduction of a 40-gigabyte model for $399 on Nov. 2, the company said. And it was the following week that sales hit 100,000, according to Sony.

[PS3 Limps on and on]

If it's true... MORE than 100k of both PS3 and PS2 combined in a week can mean alot of things.

If could mean 50/50, 60/40, 70/30? Even if PS3 sales are 50k in a week that's 200k average for the month.

200k is more than 121k, so yes PS3 sales are rising. But not anything like 400k a week or anything.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

So, when will we hear news of how well the Zune is selling?

We won't.

Microsoft pays to get their lies shoved into the darkest corners of the world.

They pay for everything.

They get caught a lot of the time, which is why they're constantly in court...

...but they pay for EVERYTHING! Trust me.

[Armyless]

(Kind of like the hit-squad Provocateurs stalking news-net forums)

-cough-

[chavafx]

yes sdf sony defense force = sony droids you guys are so droids where are you i mean 88k for Ratchet & Clank a sopousto be master pice and bla bla bla?? and only 88k? wow and yes i got one and i dont like the ps3 so wow and with the price drop in effect of the 80gb 60 gb and 20 gb and 1day 40gb all of that and only 121k for ps3? just wow sony is doomd in america yes you could get a ps3 20gb for $379 in ebgames and 450 60gb in walmart and 499 80gb every where and 40gb with 1 day in stores and you get 121k for ps3 ok all i have to say is doomd in america

[PiTCHBLaCK]

LOL, I Didn't understand much of what you just said.

[SabreMan]

you should work on your grammar as it's woeful

[ravinash]

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[Big Jim]

This article really isn't clear at all. It could mean that the PS3, PS2, and PSP each sold 100,000 in one week (which doesn't seem likely), or it could mean that the PS3, PS2, and PSP combined sold 100,000 in a week, which seems too low. It could also be some unknown combination of consoles sold 100,000. This article doesn't solve any debate.

[ApocalypseShadow]

yup.sony lied about ps1.hmmmmmm......and sold 102 million of them.wouldn't it have sold a bit fewer than that?

then after the vicious lies,they sell 120+ million ps2s and still going.how is it possible that that many people being gullible to believe sony a SECOND time?

"fool me once.shame on you.fool me twice,shame on me."

sony fooled us with dualshock
fooled us with dvd
fooled us with eyetoy
fooled us with psp
fooled us with usb
fooled us with a hard drive(the first ps2 had hard drive support way before xbox)
fooled us with tons and tons of games
fooled us with motion control
fooled us with bluray
fooled us with blutooth and a rechargeable battery
fooled us with remote play
fooled us with the pseye

they just keep fooling us.but i'd rather be fooled than here the truth from microsoft.

"things break."
"it's a moving target."
"360s don't scratch discs."
"hdmi is not necessary."
"1080p is not necessary."
"20gig is good enough."
"firmware updates don't brick systems."
"accounts are not being broken into."

don't go by corporate FUD.see their actions.and all i see is:

sony delivering 100 million systems twice.and is selling a successful portable when all other portables have failed.and created a camera that wipes the floor with anything before it.and created their best system yet.

"i'll take sony lies for $200 for the win."

answer:sony

the question is:who has a better chance of succeeding again and selling 100 million systems?

don't you just love jeopardy?

mag lev......................

[sak500]

Hey retard with believing Ps2's 120$ million user base, which was coughed up by who??? Sony right. Everyone i know is on either his 2nd or 3rd ps2. I've had 1 crap out within 2 years and had to go for another one. So 120million sold doesnt mean $hit cuz half of them were replaced and half of the bal are also bought by exisiting owners who went for slim or 2nd ps2. How the heck can u explain 1-2 million sales of amazing games on ps2 if the supposedly freaking user base is 120million ???

STHP and get off of Ken's lap.

[Reanimator]

I commented two days ago regarding this claim. Many millions of PS2s were purchased as replacement systems for faulty drives or faulty lenses. I have a buddy that I've been gaming with for the past 30 years (yeah, I said 30 YEARS!!). While we both bought systems, this guy bought ALL of them! All except the Nintendo systems, a bit too juvenile for us, but that's not my point. I remember his systems always breaking on him. He used to have to play one of his PS2s upside down. I used to laugh at him for what I thought was extreme bad luck with game systems. As the years went by, I realized that his plight was the norm, not the exception. My PS2 never failed, neither did my Intellivision, Intellivision II, the voice attachment unit (those of you who remember that..., that was great! B-17 Bomber was the first video game with real voices, not just beeps and boops. I loved that game.) Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast, or X-Box. However, as I stated, my 360 failed, got it fixed, and that one failed. While I believe hooking that crappy "Intercooler" to both 360s facilitated their demise, he finally got to laugh at me. I say all this to say, all these systems can fail, some more than others, but the PS2 failed almost as much, if not more, than the 360. Just do not believe there is a 120 million strong PS2 base out there. There is a hell of a lot of them, but closer to 50-60 million still operable. And there has to be at least 10 million of those packed away in closets, attics, basements, ect...).

I forgot to add that both of my 360 failures were REPAIRED AT NO CHARGE (the first one did cost $130, but that was refunded). MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF THE PS2 FAILURES RESULTED IN NEW PURCHASES AS REPLACEMENT UNITS!!

[Kaneda]

my original PS 1 and PS2 and still works.... I guess I am the lucky customer. Were your buddy duct tape the air vent?

[Gahigiddy]

In fact he specifically goes on and on about the PS3. "All consoles" means 40GB/80GB/60GB etc.

For further evidence, the articles say "Sony said it had been selling between 30,000 and 40,000 consoles per week" Since PS2 sells ~45k, the consoles are obviously PS3.

100k of PS2/PS3 wouldn't make sense with a recent price cut and the November season starting. But of course, people..uhh..Xbots will believe this instead of thinking. Watch yourselves get owned.

[aba]

My G*d if you actually believe that I feel sorry for you. Seriously dude.

[TheExodus]

PS3 fanboys are interpreting "all types" to mean PS3 40GB, 60GB & 80GB SKUs because that's what they want to believe, but the fact is Sony is spinning an epic failure of the latest round of price cuts to motivate consumers.

I know nobody likes VG CHARTZ except for when their estimates place their console of choice comfortably ahead of the competition, but they do show 64K PS3s & 50K PS2s sold the week ending Nov. 10th; 64K + 50K = 114K. 114K is greater than 100K, but prior to the latest round of price cuts the show 29K PS3s & 38K PS2s sold the week ending Oct. 20th; 29K + 38K = 67K. VG CHARTZ also shows 44K PS3s & 39K PS2s sold the week ending Oct. 27th; 44K + 39K = 83K which reconciles with Sony's statement that "sales rose to 75,000 in the week of Oct. 29, reflecting both the lower price of the high-end model and the introduction of a 40-gigabyte model for $399 on Nov. 2."

Sony is spinning the failure of a $100 price cut to move the 80GB SKU & a complete lack of interest in the 40GB SKU.

Only question remaining is how long before 3rd party developers begin canceling PS3 titles en masse?

[Reanimator]

Agreed. All types means "ALL TYPES"! You are just interpreting his words to fit your beliefs. Do not think you know what he means, read and accept what he says! After all, he was quoted, not paraphrased.

[andy001]

Sony have just released a press release following the NPD figures for OCtober. In that press release they firmly state that they sold 100k PS3's in the first week of November.

http://blog.wired.com/games...

The article is bullshit, sorry.

[leon76]

I Agree!!! It seems like today is "Bashing PS3 and Sony" day...

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Just like "Blu-Ray bashing HD-DVD" is everyday?! What's the diffrence?!

[kspraydad]

a: look up kspraydad on google ... you'll see that I am a PSfanboy.

b: here is the correspondence between the reporter and myself:

MICHAEL WHITE, BLOOMBERG/ NEWSROOM: to me

show details 9:55 PM (9 hours ago)

Reply

<Name removed>, the e-mail was sent to me to confirm figures in an Associated Press story
that quoted the company as saying it ``sold more than 100,000 consoles of all
types in the week ending Nov. 11.''
- Show quoted text -
----- Original Message -----
From: <Name Removed>
At: 11/15 21:47:57

Hello,

In the following story
http://www.bloomberg.com/ap... you state:

* The price cut and new model helped Sony increase sales of all consoles
> including the older PlayStation 2 to 100,000 units in the week ended Nov.
> 11, spokeswoman Kimberly Otzman said in an e-mail.*
>

Can you please confirm this is exactly as the email stated as this is
contrary to others at Sony that have said the 100k units was the PlayStation
3 including the older PlayStation* 3* model (ie NOT the PlayStation 2).

Thank you,
--
<Name Removed>

Hello,

In the following story http://www.bloomberg.com/ap... you state:

The price cut and new model helped Sony increase sales of all consoles including the older PlayStation 2 to 100,000 units in the week ended Nov. 11, spokeswoman Kimberly Otzman said in an e-mail.

Can you please confirm this is exactly as the email stated as this is contrary to others at Sony that have said the 100k units was the PlayStation 3 including the older PlayStation 3 model (ie NOT the PlayStation 2).

Thank you,
--
<Name removed>

And to LOUDNINJA etc...why do you believe that Wired is any more reliable than Bloomberg? Bloomberg deals with financials reporting and specifically corresponded with SONY for CLARIFICATION about their statements...Wired did not.