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Sony's PlayStation Vita Won't Outsell the PSP

First off, I’m a huge Sony fan despite anything contrary implied by the title of this post. In fact, I’m more excited for Sony’s PlayStation Vita (PSV) than for any other handheld game device ever. I fully plan on picking one up the day of release and playing until either my thumbs bleed on the awesome dual analog sticks or my wife starts threatening violence. Yet, despite my personal enthusiasm, I can’t ignore the fact that the PSV is entering a market vastly different—and dangerously more competitive—than the PlayStation Portable (PSP) entered in 2005.

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dangert124636d ago

Psp mainly sold well due to being hackable i reckon vita's games will sell better then psp games

jimineyscrickets4636d ago

I hope Vita's games sell better than PSP's did.

Also, as someone looking forward to the PSV, I still have to agree with the author as much as I don't want to :(

Controversy4636d ago

@ jiminey

I was ready to get my "Nerd Rage" on as the article mentions...but after reading it....

he makes a good argument. Still gonna love me a PSV when it comes out. Can't wait!

DarkCharizard_4636d ago

How much ever it sells, it will still be at the mercy of 3DS

gameplayingfool4636d ago (Edited 4636d ago )

@ DarkCharizard

From your name I'm guessing you are a huge Msoft fan, right? (just a little sarcasm for ya, you wouldn't be biased at all, would you?) haha

Actually, i would argue that both the 3DS and PSV are at the mercy of iPhone 5 and next-gen android devices.

As the author points out: "Competition from Apple and Google devices has been strong enough that Nintendo lowered the price of the 3DS within six months of launch. Even more revealing, Nintendo stockholders are supposedly pressuring the company to sell games based on classic Nintendo characters on other mobile platforms. "

TheDareDevil4636d ago

@gameplayinfool

He's actually a Nintendo Fanboy.

OT: The PSVita has stiff competition and with mobile gaming on the rise, it's going to be tough to sell a good number of units. Uptil now, Sony seems to be doing only right with this system. But, when I'm on the go I prefer to kill 5 mins with doodle jump, than Uncharted or a game that requires you to invest a certain amount of time to play it.

The Xbox360 and the PS3 will probably be cheaper than the Vita at this point.
Many people buy a handheld but play it at their homes most of the time, so it's definitely going to be a dedicated handheld experience only.

Controversy4636d ago

Perhaps one needs to read the piece before commenting? A lot of that going on by looks of the comments.

sphinct4636d ago

Never bought a PSP..but I DEF want a PSV! I hope I have the money cuz I want an iPhone 5 as well.

MaxXAttaxX4636d ago

I get that the casual market matters, but why are people riding its d***? The PSV wasn't designed for the app obsessed phone casuals. It's designed for gamers. What the hell do phones have to do with it? It's as stupid as saying "cars will have a hard time selling to those who want bikes".

Biggest4635d ago

The author makes a strange assumption. Why would Apple/Google devices change anything in the handheld gaming world? People aren't buying the iPod/iPad to play Zelda and Mario. People weren't buying the 3DS to play Zelda and Mario either (because they weren't there when it launched). Pilotwings, Nintendogs and cats, Steel Diver, and a bunch of games that you can get elsewhere for cheaper are not going to sell systems. It had nothing to do with other non-gaming devices.

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LOGICWINS4636d ago

I agree with the author, the Vita currently has more competition in the portable gaming market than the PSP did when it first came out. Examples are iphone/ipad/itouch/smartphones in general(just because N4G thinks these devices aren't "real" gaming machines doesn't mean the rest of the world feels the same way), 3DS, PSP Go, PSP 3000 etc.

But I think Vita software will sell much better than PSP software from what I've seen so far.

baker_boi4636d ago

Don't see how you came to the conclusion that people started buying iPhones/iPads because they're high profile gaming devices and not because of them being computer phones.

The crowd that buys the most iPhones aren't the people who buys the majority of video games on consoles and is totally a different market.

The people who buy iPhones are the same tech savvy or hipster bastards that thought the Wii was innovative but weren't in anyway interested in playing any REAL games the system had to offer.

Two totally different markets that the Vita and iPhone is aimed at. If you were ever counting on them to ever buy the Vita, the iPhone would have to not exist and the Vita would need to be what the iPhone is, minus playing video games.

It'd also need to cost $500 on launch.

For example try and sale a 40 to 50 year old business man/woman a device with two analong sticks and 8 buttons. That shit just aint gonna happen.

It's built different because its appeal is reaching towards a difference audience. Neither of these devices will stop each other from being bought. Simply because it's like the PS2 trying to over take the entire PC business.

pangitkqb4636d ago (Edited 4636d ago )

@ baker_boi

I'm a business man with an iPhone 4 and Tablet. I fully plan on purchasing a PSV. The idea that iPhones and tablets only appeal to one crowd and dedicated handhelds like the PSV or 3DS only appeals to another is laughable. I'm living proof, as are my companions in my office, that your assertion is incorrect.

The biggest problem is simply money. I'm lucky enough to afford a new iPhone, a tablet AND a PSV. Most others aren't, and considering that, contrary to what you said, many people like me are interested in all of these items, they will have to choose. That's where competition is a problem for Sony's newest, even though it is going to be totally awesome.

TruthBTold4636d ago

I just don't see people buying phones or tablets with gaming in mind. If that was the issue than home consoles would have been affected by pc gaming. While they can do similar jobs tablets are not designed primarily for gaming. I don't thin a parent looking for a portable gaming device for their kid would buy them a 400 - 500 tablet over a 150 - 250 ps vita or 3ds. An adult who happens to purchase a tablet with other uses in mind might download a few games but they most likely aren't core gamers to use it as their only gaming device and there wouldn't even spend too much on games or have a huge collection of games so just how much can studios sell to a casual gamer like that. I also doubt a core gamer would get everything they want in gaming from a tablet or smartphone, I sure can't. I would have a home console or ps vita or 3ds for gaming the way I need to. Have you seen the games for tablets? I was looking the other day for a game for my itouch and there was nothing interesting. I have angry birds and the oregon trail and some put put golf game which I can really only game when I have nothing else available as I am waiting for the vita but they are quite boring. Causal gaming is one thing which tablets and smartphones can satisfy but not much to make from sales of the games. Just like wii sold so many units and the only core games purchased are the marios and zeldas and metroids as all else made by 3rd parties have not sold as well. When sony. Made the psp and vita I don't see how anyone could think it was a product directed at the casual gamer as they don't tend to buy too many games and don't play often. They we're designed for the core gamer who buys more games and spends more time gaming so they need equipment designed for gaming. Maybe later in the future tablets and smartphones can offer a deeper gaming expeirence and attract the core gamers but for now they are only for casual gamers, if they can be called that.

baker_boi4636d ago (Edited 4636d ago )

@pangitkqb

One exception to the rule doesn't mean the rule is broken.

And really you're no exception at all if you read what I said. You'd just fall under the tech savvy group that just buys everything just because.

There are reasons items have certain looks and are marketed to appeal to certain groups. You and your "office friends" may buy them all just because your pockets are full, but that doesn't mean you don't have a perfered item.

You buy the Vita because it plays games, your iPad and iPhone already does everything else (and possibly things the Vita CAN'T) so why are you arguing the point?

The fact still stands that the ones who are going to buy the Vita are not going to go to the store and on the same day be stumped by the decision of whether they'll buy the iPhone instead.

It's the purpose of the device not the poorness of the individual. If it just all came down to whether they could buy them or not every body in the world would have every device ever created if they could afford to.

Your point is kind of moot.

pangitkqb4636d ago

@baker-boi

If you are telling me that an iPhone 4 has no appeal to someone who would be interested in a PSV than we'll just have to agree to disagree. ;)

And I wish you the best. Game on.

sphinct4636d ago

@baker_boi

You make some major assumptions there and I question their accuracy. My favorite:

"The people who buy iPhones are the same tech savvy or hipster bastards that thought the Wii was innovative but weren't in anyway interested in playing any REAL games the system had to offer."

Really? I love my iPhone and my Wii. Same with the guy in the cube next to me, we talk about them all the time. Oh, haha, I'm not a "hipster" by any means.

Biggest4635d ago

Why do you guys pick select words from an argument and add your personal experience as if that changes reality? Obviously there will be people that are interested in both an iPad and a PSV. There is a very, VERY small group of people that will expect the iPad to be their dedicated gaming machine. There is an even smaller group of people that will want a PSV, but opt for an iPad because they think it's better for gaming. The fact is that the PSV is made for gaming first and foremost. It will be marketed as such and will perform as such. The iPad and similar devices are not in direct competition. The people that embrace the gaming capabilities of the iPad and similar devices as good enough are probably not as interested in gaming as people that care about the PSV or similar products.

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fluffydelusions4636d ago

Don't have a PSP but will buy a PSV

JoGam4636d ago

The Vita will outsell the PSP in my house, thats for sure.

-LUKE_SKYWALKER-4636d ago (Edited 4636d ago )

I agree with the hack thing but what makes you think that the Vita might not get hacked?

Marceles4636d ago

I don't agree with the article. There might be a lot more portable devices, but I know there's a lot of people who are buying a Vita that didn't a get a PSP. Also, it doesn't look like the 3DS has as much momentum as the original DS had.

The other thing is that NO portable device will replace a dedicated gaming device. I don't know why people make these articles act like someone will say "I have an iPhone/iPad...why do I need a Vita??".

The 3DS is still the Vita's competition, and by looking at it, it looks like Sony is learning their lesson from the PSP, taking the Vita launch more seriously, cheaper price, and the 3DS has taken a hit with its launch.

jimineyscrickets4636d ago

I have to disagree on a financial basis.

A guy that needs a new "do it all phone" will likely be interested in a new iPhone 4 (or 5 soon) or a high-end Android. He NEEDS the phone, but with the cost of the iPhone and the plan to go with it, well,that is a major chunk of change.

He's a guy on a budget - as most of us are - and needs a phone while only yearns for a Vita. Yup, I said Yearn, cuz that i how much I personally want one.

The person out there that want's a tablet, a phone, a 3DS and a Vita (like me) but can't afford them all (like me) has to make a choice. Period.

Patrick4635d ago (Edited 4635d ago )

I disagree with your "Financial basis". If you need a phone then you are not in the market for any true game device and are not even gonna consider a gaming device, your buying a phone, to even look at a device that isnt a phone would be stupid cause you need a phone. But if your buying a games device mostly for playing games, your arent gonna pick a phone that just happens to play some games. This whole argument is stupid, The PS Vita is for gamers that want a games device, Sony sells Tablets and phones and computers as well and if they want to compete with apple its those devices that will compete. The Vita is a handheld gaming device first and foremost, if you arent planning on playing games, guess what... Dont Buy the Vita, it will waste your money as you wont use it. If all you want are free or cheap casual games, dont buy the Vita, buy a tablet or phone... but if you want games on a gaming device... look at Vita or 3DS.

I have a smart phone and angry birds... lol but I will buy a Vita as I want a dedicated gaming device for on the go. My phone, just doesn't do it for me. Neither does the ipad or any tablet. The Vita is a luxury and Sony knows this, if your on a tight budget, it was not for you in the first place.

BubbleSniper4636d ago (Edited 4636d ago )

everyone was once praising the PSV.. now everyone is dooming it before it launches out the gate. sick of the hypocrites that break out their harvey dents when no one is looking.

Protagonist4636d ago (Edited 4636d ago )

Exactly and the PSP is still selling well. in fact so much that it manages to outsell most home consoles in JP.

It is also in direct competition with the next gen Nintendo handheld which leads me to think PS VITA will do excellent.

Edit: Anyway, dudes like me will buy PS VITA no matter what !

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pat_11_54636d ago

I tend to agree with this author, it's also what analysts have been saying since the system announced. The system simply won't sell as well as the PSP. That doesn't mean it will be a failure though, there will always be a niche for dedicated gaming handhelds.

Godchild10204636d ago

The system is not out yet, so no one can tell for sure.

The second things is, the Vita does a hell of a lot more than the PSP. I expect it to sell more and I also expect people to play it more than the PSP. It will sell well and at some point overtake the PSP. The games are what help a console sell and sometimes what the console can do for the player. The Vita has a lot of punch and a lot of software coming out.

When COD and If battlefield comes on the vita, they will push consoles. A lot more if you can play a game with your friends that are at home on their PS3. Cross Platform play.

supremacy4635d ago

Exactly, I firmly believe the vita is destined to outsell the psp in its lifetime. I mean its obvious things have changed, to ignore this is stupid. Psp and the rest of the dedicated portable platforms sell well in japan despite the massive cell phone uptake in that region. However...

The vita is build with this change in mind, development is easier and cheaper, the platform has more positives to it than the psp and launching in Japan I am sure will get many to try an inport the thing in the hundreds for sure.

Look I get people who waste their time to pm me about this very same argument. Yeah we have smartphones that offer cheaper gaming experiences around, yeah things are different, but what does not change is the value of a gaming platform and the perception/concept behind it. You have fragmentation when it comes to phone gaming, and though I get its not about the phones themselves as it is the O.S platform behind them. I also get that for the common person a single gaming platform is a lot easier to chose from. Its either vita or 3DS, not a nexus, droid, iphone or whatever else they decide to put cripple gaming experiences on.

Hate it or love it, the pcs been around longer than the consoles where similar arguments would accur and yet here we get pc dying articles from time to time instead.

What I feel most of this media people need to come to terms with is the essence of what a gamer is and what they preffer, then look at what a device made specifically for them aka a gaming console is before wasting their time with baseless argumegants.

I realize there are those looking for a bargain and preffer cheaper games, and thats fine but how does that stop people from buying traditional gaming devices and games? I dont understand any of it.

I am writing off my phone now, but my ps3 is next to my tv as we speak.

When the vita arrives you bet I am getting one and something like angry birds will quickly become an after thought.

gustave1544635d ago

don't forget GTA. San Andreas Stories will be so epic

THC CELL4636d ago

The psp 2 will do better, my work the pre orders are more than the first psp

gameplayingfool4636d ago

What? You must be smoking something funny. ;)

Anyway, i hope the PSV sells out the proverbial wazoo!

blackburn104636d ago (Edited 4636d ago )

Here we go with the arrogant won't and can again. How does anyone know that the VITA won't be a run away success? Did anyone think the PS1 would out match and outsell Nintendo or Sega's systems? Everyone always has well thought out reasons and calculations why something won't do something.

Everyone gave all the reasons in the world why Bluray would be a failure and why the PS3 wouldn't survive. But as you can see it was all for nothing. No would have predicted the PSP would still be here today and have 72 million users after all the negativity it was hit with comparing it to Nintendo's handhelds. So just stop with the won't and can't predictions please.Many fanboys say a lot of things and end up eating crow because of it. All these predictions are crap unless you have a crystal ball or something. You would think we would have learned that by now. @ jimineyscrickets, oh okay so its okay to make the same idiotic predictions everyone has been making for years because its an opinion piece? Okay sorry.

jimineyscrickets4636d ago

Well...that's why it is an opinion piece. And did you actually read or it did you just immediately launch into your lecture telling other people they shouldn't share their thoughts?

Read the thing. It's pretty well done whether you agree with the dude's conclusions or not and he argues the point well.

sphinct4636d ago (Edited 4636d ago )

@Blackburn

Here we go again, another downer with nothing better to do than complain on N4G and act like a tool to strangers. Its fascinating you would actually take the time to bitch about this. Your negativity changes nothing...it just brings people down.

Hell, I dont even agree with tthe guys conclusions, but it was well written and makes a great argument. You don't have to read it if you don't want. Why ruin it for those that do?

Anyway, I can't wait to buy a PSV! Dual analog sticks on a handheld = nerdgasm

Controversy4636d ago

@ blackburn10

enjoy having one bubble! Clearly everything you say is inspired ;) hahah! Change ur name to DebbieDowner

gameplayingfool4636d ago

@ Controversy and blackburn10

Damn you Controversy! You beat me to the "One Bubble" observation. Blackburn10 probably tells himself he gets one bubble because he "speaks the truth nobody wants to hear." Give me a break! that's what these trolls always tell themselves.

On Topic: I see the PSV tying PSP sales ultiamtely, but with more games and higher acclaim plus a more active community.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers17d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken16d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g17d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing17d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H917d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola16d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66916d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle16d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg17d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos17d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola17d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies38d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken37d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga37d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken37d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6437d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long37d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197237d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic37d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12537d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91337d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer37d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91337d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit37d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher37d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6937d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit37d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher37d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken37d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197237d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic37d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2337d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218337d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder37d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts37d ago

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