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C’mon Now, Deus Ex: Invisible War Wasn’t That Bad. …Was It?

FleshEatingZipper writes: With the impending release of Square-Enix’s Deus Ex: Human Revolution – an RPG/FPS hybrid prequel to my favorite shooter of all time – comes a lot of renewed interest in the series. Well, strike that, interest in the original Deus Ex and a lot of brow-beating for its 2003 follow-up, Invisible War. I enjoyed the sequel for what it was worth, but does it deserve all the disrespect it’s received over the years?

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ATi_Elite4644d ago

Deus Ex = one of the greatest games ever!

Deus Ex Invisible War = one of the worse games ever!

It's just that simple!

thebudgetgamer4644d ago

really that bad, what do you think went wrong?

akiraburn4644d ago (Edited 4644d ago )

I think there were some key issues. One big complaint was that they only had one universal ammo which was used with every weapon, whereas the original Deus Ex had individual types of ammo for each weapon, and most of them even had alternate ammo types you could use (such as the mini-crossbow having tranq darts, flare darts, and regular darts).

Beyond that, there were many optimization problems on the PC version. It all was pending on what video card you had, and ultimately many people ended up either not being able to play the game or having graphical problems (one bad problem I had seen often was that there would be a massively laggy response time for movement, even though there were the framerate was fine).

And to add to that, the story, dialogue, and ideas behind the game simply weren't up to par with what they should have been. This point was exacerbated by the fact that the original Deus Ex was one of the best games of all time, and everyone was expecting a stellar follow-up of the same caliber.

Edit: Also, this article raises a bunch of good points. There were a lot of things happening with the development studio and it explains them well.

thebudgetgamer4644d ago

i can see why this bother people. i was watching john carmacks quake-con key note and he was mentioning that at one point there was like twenty companies manufacturing video cards and only like three of them were any good.

akiraburn4644d ago

Yeah there definitely were a lot more video card manufacturers back then. The 3DFX company who made the Voodoo card series was even around until just about a year before the game released, so many people still had those cards as well. However the problems that Deus Ex:IW had actually can be blamed on poor development, because not even the bigger manufacturers' video cards were properly supported by the game.

I remember finding out that only a handful of ATI's Radeon cards (at the time) handled the game, and you needed a specific version of the driver as well (it specifically wasn't the newest, it was something like three builds prior). It was infuriating trying to get the game running right. I can't quite remember how one of my Nvidia cards handled it, but I remember there were problems still there as well.

But in any case, yeah there were some serious issues with the game. The only thing I'd have to disagree with in this article, is that the writer still feels that the game turned out decent if it's not compared to it's predecessor. I'd have to disagree, because even though the original is one of my favorite games of all time, I feel like Invisible War is a flawed, buggy, and overall disappointing game by most any standards.

jaosobno4644d ago

Deus Ex 2 took everything that made Deus Ex 1 a legendary game, took a dump on it and then packaged it as a sequel.

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Pozzle4644d ago

Worse than Superman 64? :D

ATi_Elite4644d ago

No it wasn't that bad.

Only E.T. is worse than superman 64!!

GusBricker4644d ago

It wasn't that bad, but when the first game was that damn good, IW's flaws look that worse in comparison.

usualjay4644d ago

I think it's easier now to be less harsh on IW than in 2003, but remember how hyped the game was. I found it to be a very stripped down version of the original, which was something slightly less than advertised. Even playing it a few years later, the initial plot choice system seemed very contrived. So maybe it wasn't the "worst game ever," but it was decidedly mediocre by comparison to Deus Ex.

Brownghost4644d ago

JC Denton wasnt the playable character and didnt have the feel of the first one

Sidewinder-4644d ago

Bad, Bad game.

but the music was pretty good.

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Deus Ex Deserves Better Than Being A Scapegoat For Embracer's Screw-Ups

Hanzala from eXputer says, "After multiple delays, cancellations, and ownership changes, the misfortune of Deus Ex continues; this gem of a series deserves better."

maelstromb78d ago (Edited 78d ago )

One can only hope at this point Embracer will need to generate an influx of cash flow, and what better way to do so than to sell off some of its IPs... namely Deus Ex, to a competent and talented studio capable of delivering a game noteworthy of the name in future. And thinking about it further, I don't know why Embracer would sit on the IP vs sell it if it means staying in business or not.

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Five Annoying Video Game Openings in Otherwise Classic Titles

Some games endure despite the average player wishing they could skip that first hour - here are five annoying video game openings in otherwise classic titles.

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Yi-Long265d ago

I liked the Red Dead 2 opening, certainly didn’t feel like a slog to me, but I enjoyed that whole game so for those who were just expecting ‘GTA but with cowboys’, that was probably not the opening they expected, and Red Dead 2 wasn’t the game they were hoping for …

First game that came to mind when I read the title, was Watch Dogs 2, because you’re expecting an open world sandbox game in sunny colorful San Francisco, and instead that opening has you crawling and sneaking around an incredibly boring office building …

PrimeVinister265d ago

Watch Dogs 2 is a decent game but not really a classic. The opening is awful though. You got that right.

I loved the RDR 2 opening hours the first time but going back to restart it is where the rub lies for me.

Yi-Long265d ago

Yeah, I agree it’s not a classic, but it was the first game I thought of where I really thought; Why would you make that design choice!? If you’re gonna do a thing like that in order to teach the player some basic sneaking controls, at least make the location a bit more interesting, like an abandoned theme park or gorgeous temple or whatever, but now the gameplay was restrictive and boring, but also the location itself.

PrimeVinister265d ago

@Yi-Long Definitely true re the worst possible choices being made for the opener of Watch Dogs 2. I did enjoy WD2 overall but that intro is baffling :-D

shammgod265d ago

Red Dead 2 opening was trash

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Viljong359d ago

The og deus ex is magical. Im also very exited about mass effect legendary edition from the gp. Its next on my playlist never played mass effect game before.

IamTylerDurden1359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

Never played ME? It's imo the greatest trilogy of all-time and perhaps the best setting outside maybe Fallout. Play it. Great DLC as well. In 2 & 3 at least. Skip Andromeda. Also, Human Revolution was great as well even if OG fans claim otherwise.

shinoff2183359d ago

Mass effect 1 was great. I feel they dumbed down alot on the 2nd one and seemed more action like. Mass effect 1 the citadel was an explorable city. Far as I got in Mass effect 2 it was reduced to a location list no traveling through it. I disliked it alot(the citadel) part. I also feel they went more action oriented then rpg

just_looken358d ago

It always makes me mad when you see something you have done in the first mass effect or dragon age can make something change in the 3rd because bioware make 6 games in what 8 years? that did this but today 0 games do this.

I wish we had trilogies today were we can share saves and have multiple endings/path's on all 3 because of choices from anyone of them.

Its so funny being the bad sheparad from one to 3 then the end having just you and joker ha ha yet everyone is like hey your a hero with a 90% casualty rate.

CBaoth358d ago

Fallout can't hold Mass Effect's jockstrap. The one Fallout even in the ballpark is 3, and that's only because the DLC was extremely good. When Ken Rolston was in Bethesda's employment were they good. That's about it. They're now the world's greatest copy/paste developer out there. Bioware at their pinnacle was ten times better a studio than Todd's team. Go look up the games

IamTylerDurden1358d ago

Mass Effect is my favorite, followed by 2 and 3. Yes, ME2 was dumbed down but also refined in terms of polish and accessibility. ME2 had an awesome story, great DLC, and a solid cast. Mordin in particular. It's a great game. Even 3 which was the weakest was still solid imo despite the ending. If u love ME how do u not enjoy all 3?

Fallout is not a better game though FO3 was great. In terms of setting though Fallout is Mt Rushmore. The 50's post apoc setting was brbrilliant. I still put ME setting n lore above but FO is up there with setting.

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esherwood359d ago

Man play mass effect, best games ever

Miraak82 359d ago

Xenogears is my fav sci fi rpg

closed_account358d ago

Right? There's a serious lack of classics on this list.

The original 2 Star Oceans. Rogue Galaxy...

IamTylerDurden1358d ago

Rogue Galaxy never got that critical love. Beautiful PS2 game. Was it L5?

closed_account357d ago

@IamTylerDurden1 Yep, Level5. Love their stuff. Dark Cloud 3 please...

Godmars290359d ago

Why aren't there more? A Star Trek RPG for one. Or something with non humanoid aliens?

shinoff2183359d ago

Cause for some damn reason medieval is more popular ugghhh. I'd take some sci fi sh anyway over it. I've said time and time again I hope the elden guys are working on a sci fi type game.

Godmars290359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

Something non-post apocalypse or dystopian. Just world saving. Fighting bad guys while doing good and dealing with ethical/moral/psychological quandaries.

sadraiden358d ago

The reason why fantasy RPGs, and Fantasy as a genre, are more popular than Sci-Fi, is because of the low technology/high magic tropes. If all of your problems can be solved with looking up the answer on a smartphone, well, there's just lower stakes than if a character has to have a sword fight, and climb the tower, and rescue the fair princess and recite the ancient incantation to seal the evil.

Obviously you can have universe ending stakes in Sci-Fi, but that requires abstract reasoning, and an ability to RP in a way that is progressive instead of regressive. Couple that with Sci-Fi games and media generally being faster paced, and you've got a genre that attracts a very specific demographic of gamers.

just_looken358d ago

or go crazy and make a starship troopers rpg can you survive the bug fight?

The animated show was great showed what someone can do with the lore.

Fist4achin358d ago

A Starship Troopers game as a real time strategy like the command and conquer series would be awesome.

just_looken357d ago

@fist

We have that today but its a small team with a smal budget
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Its not a major rts sadly but a start

jznrpg359d ago

I really hope Naughty Dog is doing a Sci-Fi game. As a lover all most things RPG I would love to see Naughty Dog quality in an RPG.

porkChop359d ago

They could do some really great stuff with sci-fi. The sense of grand adventure of Uncharted, but also with the stealth and crafting of The Last of Us. Different planets, creative alien races, collecting junk to craft repairs and upgrades for your ship and weapons, etc.

shinoff2183359d ago

Porkchop

Your getting me excited for something that doesn't exist. Damn

shinoff2183359d ago

He'll yea , hope we here something about that if they are. I'm not to worried about factions at all

just_looken358d ago

If it was the old naughty dog i would want that the new naughty dog no thanks.

IamTylerDurden1358d ago (Edited 358d ago )

TLOU2 is the finest game ND has made. U4 was fantastic. New ND is a more impressive ND. I don't rate Crash n Jak like i do Uncharted and TLOU. Even Uncharted 1 and 3 were not as well crafted as TLOU, TLOU2, U4 imo. Idc if ppl troll TLOU2, most ppl are clueless, that game was incredibly impressive.

TLOU2 combat, visuals, and acting were the best of the genre. I found the story deeper and more profound than most but it's subjective. The level design was excellent also. The score. Audio. Animation. It was a masterpiece to me. The rope physics, detail. TLOU2 deserved Elden Ring scores and ER deserved TLOU2 scores. If any game deserved 97 in recent years it's TLOU2. Best game i ever played and if ppl come with Abby bs i already know it's not worth it. Those who call TLOU2 trash are foolish. Just look at it running...

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