David Jaffe provides more specific details as to why Twisted Metal was delayed

David Jaffe has provided more specific details as to why his upcoming Playstation 3 exclusive title, Twisted Metal, was delayed until early next year.

[BitbyDeath]

I don't mind as long as it releases at least a few weeks/months before Starhawk.

[subtenko]

Jaffe is awesome! He and his team care about their fans more than a lot of other devs thats for sure! Sony is awesome for backing them.

Agree or Disagree if you Agree

[gunnerforlife]

disagreed just cuz you asked us too agree or disagree with you lol
this aint youtube where you ask for thumbs up :P

[EVILDEAD360]

Best move ever..T.M. Was about to get ate alive going up against Rage and even Dark Souls. Not to mention other high profile games in the vicinity. Sony really should have given it another shot at the stage at E3. If they promote it well TM might do better early next year. Taking either the Killzone 3 slot or even getting another crack at E3 and releasing that week like Infamous 2 did. But either way this endures the game could finally build some needed momentum and get the attention it deserves.

Again IMO..this is good news regardless of the reasons

Evil

[BattleAxe]

Honor and respect all the way.

[FaulkinPunch]

@gunnerforlife and where exactly did he ask for a thumbs up? He said Agree or Disagree if you Agree, which means even if you Disagree, you actually Agree to his comment.

I also agree with his comment, I really like the Twisted Metal series, Twisted Metal 2 was awesome and they should take their time with this one.

p.s. subtenko, I 'disagreed' too ;D

[showtimefolks]

jaffe may be right about more polish time and all and this game will benefit from the delay in 2 ways

more time for polish and maybe a public beta to fix whatever needs to be fixed

and it would not have done as well launching this fall with so many other ps3 exclusives and other AAA titles in general

I have said it in the past that TM needs to be delayed and i am glad sony did that so this game can get its time in spotlight when it launch in 2012 with a lot more success

[TheLastGuardian]

"and it would not have done as well launching this fall with so many other ps3 exclusives and other AAA titles in general"

I don't get why people are saying this about Twisted Metal. Nearly any game would have better sales by getting away from all the big holiday releases. Why is Twisted Metal the game that would flop if it were released this year? Why would someone skip Twisted Metal for another game?

Twisted Metal was delayed because it needs more polish, not to avoid other games.

[showtimefolks]

it will have more time for polish. But combat racing games have not done well in general this generation. Tm has a huge fanbase

It could have done 2 millions by end of the year or it could have done 800k in the same time frame.

when you are kind of relaunching a IP like sony is with TM, Its been a while seen we saw a TM game so this is kind of a reboot and you don't want your reboot to be lost in shuffle

now when it launches in early 2012 sony will have less exclusives launching around it. Sony will support it more in advertisement since they won't have other AAA games like TM to advertise.

David jaffe was asked on gttv about if the game would be delayed he said it flat out no and they are on schedule so what changed?

I am a huge TM fan and i can tell you one thing i am more excited for it in 2012 than i was in 2011 just because of how many other games i will get and the time to play them all will not be there

I am hoping by launching in 2012 and with right kind of advertisement done this game could end up selling 3-5 million easy when by the time ps3's install base could be over 60 million

so david jaffe wins
we win as we get a much better more polished product

and after its success i can see sony buying eat sleep and play

[RememberThe357]

Twisted Metal has been basically gone for a long time; on the PS2 it was pretty hardcore and a lot more niche than Sony wants this game to be. And frankly the game isn't getting much hype. Car combat isn't on many peoples radar so this new generation of gamers really doesn't recognize it. It's like Jaffe has been saying this whole time, people need to be reintroduced to Twisted Metal and a busy holiday season to do that. The other games that Sony is releasing are much more recent and much more familiar to current gamers.

Plus, Jaffe can't rely on name alone, we all saw what happened with Socom 4 and how horrible that game turned out to be. Zipper is falling off fast because they're letting their quality standards fall while trying to rely on same alone. Jaffe can't let that happen to Twisted Metal and it's looking like he wont have to.

[antz1104]

Twisted Metal is amazing but they haven't put out a title in 11 years. And in btw #2 and Black there were a lot of flops. This is a whole new gen of gamers experiencing TM.

[Kleptic]

you say 'car combat' hasn't done well this generation...which I kind of agree with, but in a sense that very few 'car combat' games have even come out so far...

Burnout paradise has some car combat like elements (open world nature, tons of races with wrecking other cars being the primary goal, etc.)...but not in a sense of having weapons...

Wipeout HD, which did very well considering its downloadable nature, also had some elements (weapons) but was still primarily a circuit racing game...

i'm just mentioning these two examples as they both did extremely well overall...

the only full car combat game I know of this generation, at least for the PS3, was that launch title Full Auto: battlelines or whatever...and it was junk...

Twisted Metal has no real direct competition this generation...as in released or on the horizon...that is a good thing i guess, but because there is no competition, there also isn't any real current genre for it...TM for the PS3 could start that genre back up again, but who knows...it looks to be a great game regardless...

but polish reasons aside, its clear TM wouldn't get a lot of attention in the holiday season...its not a shooter...and sadly most of everything focuses on exactly that...doesn't mean it wouldn't sell well, just means potential buyers that are on the fence probably wouldn't even hear about it...

[mastiffchild]

AAAAANd I can tell you, as fact, aand as a UK gamer that hardly ANY EU gamers have a CLUE about the franchise. Even now , after seeing it played, seen the E3 stuff, vids and watched some of the old games on Youtube it's total mystery to me how it plays and I've been gaming since the 70s!

Jaffe has said he felt the original games weren't subtle enough for EU/Jpn gamers, whatever that really means, and over here there';s been NO noise about TMPS3 AT ALL-even for a Sony exclusive it's been silent. If, as Sony and DJ have both intimated, they want TM to be a global, rather than NA heavy, franchise they're going to have to use this polishing time to promote the hell out of the game as well or it's sinking without trace in the EU/UK yet again. the only one in the series I ever read about in a UK PS mag was the first one which, then, never appeared in many stores-I've NEVER seen a TM in a shop in the UK-fact!

Add to that the fact 360 is more popular in the US and it could also be that MOST TM fans do not even game on PS3. I think it's going to be hard for it to succeed. I'd love to support it but without a big demo or beta to whet appetites and show what it's about and give non fans a go at it I think it doesn't matter what they do with it as it's going to be too niche and too few fans will be around on PS3 to make it a success. Hope I'm wrong but I don't think Sony EVER pushed the series in the EU and starting now seems a bit late.

[afterMoth]

We all know the truth. This fall schedule is saturated with high quality PS3 games. It would be one thing if TW released on the 360 where there isn't much to buy but with a ridiculously awesome selection already, adding one more awesome game, somebody is going to lose out.

[blumatt]

Yeah, when you've got to choose from so many exclusives, it makes it difficult to buy them all. It would be different if we were in the situation where there was only one PS3 exclusive coming out. That would suck. :P

I'll be buying the game day one. I miss playing Twisted Metal back in the day and the gameplay they showed at E3 2010 looked awesome.

@Prcko (below me)
Well said man!

[Prcko]

''60 bucks is a S**TE TON to ask for so if we are going to charge that, you deserve our best...even if it takes a little longer than we anticipated''

THIS IS WHAT I WANNA HEAR FROM EVERY DEVELOPER OUTHERE!!!
Jaffe you just recived 60 bucks from me,so day 1 :))

[Getowned]

100% agree!!

[Buho]

LOL Jaffe is a cool dude. Day 1 buy for me as well! Been waiting so long for a next-gen Twisted Metal.

[ChiVoLok0]

This will be good as I will have one less game to chose to play this holiday and give me time to put in some progress into the others before this comes out.

[J86blum]

Jaffe go steal the frostbite engine. lol thats what he is doing

[firemassacre]

cant wait

[CaptainMarvelQ8]

tbh even though Jaffe communicates alot with his fans(which is good),he also makes alot of excuses.Most people would understand with a simple apology since most already know of the heavy months ahead consisting of many quality titles.
He goes out of the way other Devs do.Besides; shouldn't there be some PR stuff that Sony doesn't allow to be exposed?

DJ is a blabber mouth.But i appreciate his hard work.

[Getowned]

"tbh even though Jack communicates alot with his fans" jack ? ...

[CaptainMarvelQ8]

Sorry,i meant Jaffe

[Dazel]

Twisted Metal, along with a lot of other titles would have a tough time coming out this autumn. BF3, MW3, Gears 3, R3 and Skyrim blah blah blah. Jaffe ain't stupid, avoiding all the crowded AAA run up to crimbo and adding more polish is the smartest thing he could do. The likes of Dead Island should follow suit imo, there's only so much money to go around this year.

[SamPao]

Twisted Metal looks super mega awesome and I can life with the delay!

[iNFAMOUZ1]

Delay it all you want my good sir, glad to wait as long as it takes to see my old franchise friend revived in all its rightful glory.

[MrBeatdown]

It's nice to hear they are paying so much attention to the effects trophies will have on player behavior. A lot of devs don't seem to realize that they can distract from team-based games.

[InTheLab]

Way too many games coming this fall for Twisted Metal to do well. Obviously, fans of the franchise will buy it no matter what, but those that are casually interested would wait till 2012 anyway.

Or, it could be to fill in a gap for Sony. Companies shuffle around games to appear as if they have a strong line-up. I honestly have no idea what Sony's line-up was looking like early next year but it's looking better with TM dropping around that time.

Either way, TM will be a better TM for it...

[xtremegamerage]

I want demo's of every game coming out.

BF3
UC3
RES3-
Skyrim
Dead island

But i'm getting them all, so unless any of them are badly broken. I'm sold.

[goodfellas27]

am looking forward to this game. I got the first PlayStation because of TM2. I also love TM: Black; hoping that SONY makes a HD remake of that game with trophies.

[nevin1]

@goodfellas27

I rather a have a sequal to Twisted Metal Black.

Anyway, this delay needed to happen in my personal opinion. Because as it stands, this game looks like a overblown PSN game.

[mastiffchild]

A sequel would be financially pointless, imho, here in the UK and EU B lack sold about three copies and with them wanting to make TM a AAA worldwide thing a sequel to a game which 70% of PS3 gamers have NEVER played(or and the chance to-as I say I have NEVER seen a copy of ANY TM game in any UK game store)would be suicide wouldn't it?

I do worry that more than half TM fans now game on 360 anyway so appealing to overseas markets might be a car combat games only hope and even then they just DO NOT sell well any more. To my mind a massive open beta is needed and decent SP demo pre release or else EU gamers will be relying ENTIRELY on written reviews and with so many games around that's a massive disadvantage to ESP.

I know a lot of you guys are US gamers so won't know just how little we in the UK/EU even know about this series and I have no clue why it's never caught on over here or even, seemingly, been pushed EVER by Sony but that's really the case and the same, I'm told, in the East. NA alone, given it's 360 bias won';t hold enough old TM fans to make this work-it NEEDS some REAL marketing and some proper way for series noobs to have a go to see what the fuss SHOULD be about as right now I'm still to EVER play a second of the series and I'm one of the few who even knew it existed round these parts.

I'm seriously, of the opinion that Jaffe and Sony messed up by bringing it back as a BIG game when a new IP would make much more sense-he might even have to change so much that old fans lose the flavopur THEY love. It seems a real outside bet for success and I LOVE Jaffe's stuff usually.

[BlackSharinganX]

i dont even mind if it comes on june hell, to many games along the way as well, mass effect 3,bioshock starhawk tough games

[Happythedog]

Good, I'm tired of getting incomplete games.

[StarWolf]

in other words, they want to make the game easier. jk.

im glad they actually CARE unlike KZ3 devs "giant patch shortly after launch" aka 3months later.

[sasuke99]

wasting time and money...just to make a stupid car combat game...

GENIUS!!

[dirthurts]

I think I'm the only one who gets your comment.

[zero_cool]

David jaffe truly is down to earth developer who knows how to communicate with gamers on the same level.

[dirthurts]

I just wonder if Minion will be in it.
He was the bomb.

[Der_Kommandant]

I've been waiting 10 years for this game, so i can handle a few more months

[Amaterasu5]

Doesn't matter, Jaffe is awesome and so will TM

[MasterCornholio]

Its only a small delay. Plus this holiday season is already crowded with AAA titles.

[Tunerboy8732]

I'm kinda glad it's getting delayed because i'm already booked up with all the exclusives coming out this year not even mentioning the multiplats.It just gives them more time to make the game better.

[Hozi89]

HAHA...gotta love Jaffe. He sure knows how to pick his words. But now that I'm hearing this I get the feeling TM is gonna have some unexpectedly amazing graphics too.

[JellyJelly]

"Also hitting smack dab in mid Nov/Mid Dec is a bad time to release this game (although that was not the reason we delayed AT ALL..."

Cool story, bro.

[kamakaz3md]

maybe its the outdated graphics and gameplay?

[Karum]

It's nice to get those details from Jaffe, most developers just say "more time needed to polish" and that's it. Jaffe I think after hearing him speak on his blog videos and stuff actually cares about releasing a product which is as good as it can be and polished to a level where his customers would be satisfied with it and I applaud that to be honest.

You can bet your ass that there would be so much more rage if they released a broken game than there is because of a bit of a delay.

[NBT91]

Yeah, I think that especially older fans from the previous games are really expecting this to be one of the most fun games to release in a long time, anything broken would stick out like a sore thumb.

[NBT91]

I try not to use these meme things too much, but well... I aint even mad bro.

I mean, we got Battlefield, Call of Duty, Uncharted 3, Ico / Shadow of Collossus... A ton of other notable mentions...
If any game from the fall 2011 line up made sense to delay to 2012, it was probably this game. Even if it was just from a business / sales standpoint. But now he said it is to polish the game, I am expecting a top quality game when it comes out.

[BrianC6234]

Forget about release dates. Ship games when they're ready. This is the big problem with giving actual dates. It's better to take extra time and make the game as good as they can.