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id has 'definitely struggled' with console latency vs PC

id has told CVG that it has "struggled" with input latency on console during the development of Rage - but that the game is now running "really fast" on all systems.

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BeastlyRig4684d ago

Yea yea If they don't make Doom4 lead on pc then I don't care what they say..

Bolts4684d ago

What would be the point of making Doom 4? How many times can demons from hell break into our dimension anyways? They need to stop remaking Doom like it's the FPS version of Final Fantasy.

JsonHenry4684d ago

The point of making Doom 4? How about an open world quest driven (RPG-light) FPS re-telling the story of the attack on Earth?

That would be the point.

Fishy Fingers4684d ago (Edited 4684d ago )

You could say the same about just about every game/genre.

Doom is the grandaddy of them all, it's still popular (sales) and Id use it as a proving ground for their software/tech. It deserves it's spot as much as any other.

It's massive in the modding community too.

InNomeDiDio4684d ago

Doom is amazing. And we still need a real Next-Gen Doom Game. Doom 3 was great ... but released last Gen. According to your statement CoD, BF, AC and a lot of other Games would suck too.

meetajhu4684d ago (Edited 4684d ago )

just like how many time solid snake infiltrates the same base again and again. Whoa the video looks like its 60fps already :D

Theonetheonly4684d ago (Edited 4684d ago )

This 60 fps streaming video is rare on the internet. the movement is really fluid

most of the time the video you are watching is 30 or less. more fps = bigger video file not usually good for streaming.so no matter what you recorded (a 60 fps ps3 feed.) it will only show 30 fps. leading to a degradation to the clarity of movement in the video stream.

similar to the idea that image quality on pc games is not much different than consoles because videos on youtube do not have a video bitrate high enough to capture all of the details of a pc render. in fact the memory required to capture a 380 megabit video stream amounts to about 2 GB for 30 seconds of footage, and in order to cature a lossless 1080p video 380 is required, blu rays have more digital distortion than what a pc puts out. as the bitrate for a blu ray is `17-34 megabits. youtubes maximum bitrate is hovering around 10 megabits.
in other words... in order to see pc footage, you have to actually see pc footage.

That is why this video looks so damm crisp and wont load (HIGH BITRATE HIGH RESOLUTION HIGH FPS)

giving me all of this time to write this nonsense.

cooperdnizzle4684d ago

meetajhu. Dude they have remade mgs1 one time. So i don't know what you're talking about. Well i guess twice but yea the first one was for nintendo and was really a different game if ya think about it in some ways.

Voxelman4684d ago

The last id Doom game was 7 years ago dude. Final fantasy has 14 mainline games and even more spin offs. CoD is the closest thing to a FPS Final Fantasy.

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pr0digyZA4684d ago

Doom 3 wasn't really considered the third time demons came out, it was actually the first as it was a reboot. So technically Doom 4 would be a different take on number 2 which was more open.

Voxelman4684d ago

Carmack did say he regretted leading RAGE on consoles so chances are good that Doom 4 will be a PC first title.

theonlylolking4684d ago (Edited 4684d ago )

iD is struggling this gen because they dont have the best graphics on console. Mw3, gears 3, uncharted 3, mass effect 3, skyrim, killzone 3, crysis 2, etc... pwn RAGE because iD is worse than all of those devs.

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JsonHenry4684d ago

I think he is joking. Or at least I hope so. Everyone that has played the game builds on the consoles so far say they didn't know consoles could do what RAGE is doing on them.

I WANT that to be the case. But I guess we will see it for ourselves (not!) soon enough.

Saryk4684d ago

If you’re playing games on a console for “Best Graphics”, you need to change your past time. I play my games only on a PC and quite frankly my computer is top of the line. But even on my PC I prefer games with a gripping story or awesome game play over a game with flash. I still play WoW!

dlohnug4684d ago

Definitely agree, just finished playing Mass Effect 1, epic game, absolutely loved it compared to, say Crysis, can't wait to play Mass Effect 2, but got a new hard drive to install tomorrow, so I'll play it on that.

InNomeDiDio4684d ago

ID are great Devs dude. And I don't think you're serious on what you said.

paintsville4684d ago

Carmack is a phenom in gaming development. What he says is the gospel in gaming, period. Rage will pwn all other games when it releases. If he says something that you don't like then just deal with it. He's forgotten more about game development than most others have ever known, fact.

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Inside_out4684d ago

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...this isn't the beginning of excuses of why the game will look a certain way on PC Vs how it looks and plays on consoles. They claim they figured it all out...Hmmmm.

Just shown the game running on 360 and PS3 and I really hope it's not sub-hd, otherwise certain fanboys are going to go crazy...I could care less as long as it plays well and looks good.

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Voxelman4684d ago

Rage on PC will be higher res more AA, better texture filtering and higher res textures with less pop in. It's just the nature of the biz PCs have lots of RAM consoles don't so the PC version will always be sharper.

As for latency keyboards are digital binary switches and mice have to be low latency for usability so PCs are designed with that in mind with the APIs being optimised for immediate 1 to 1 control. Consoles are mostly designed on the API side to be 30fps and analogue thumb sticks don't need to be as precise and smoothing (which adds latency) actually makes the experience better on most console games.

It's not an excuse it's just the nature of the systems.

Cmpunk4684d ago

ive read your comments and you are an obvious xbox fanboy so my reply is to get you mad' xbox sucks UMADBRO!!!

MrDead4684d ago

So why not have it run on mouse and keyboard for the consoles?

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Psychotica4684d ago (Edited 4684d ago )

Same reason people prefer forks over chop sticks

peowpeow4684d ago

Anyone noticed that the video actually feels like 60 fps? Even the interview part. How is that done? Is it just recorded and replayed at 60 fps?

Just curious because normally watching video of a game recorded at 60 fps looks normal (i.e. 30 fps). This video brings out the smoothness

Theonetheonly4684d ago

most of the time the video you are watching is 30 or less. more fps = bigger video file not usually good for streaming.so no matter what you recorded (a 60 fps ps3 feed.) it will only show 30 fps. leading to a degradation to the clarity of movement in the video stream.

peowpeow4684d ago

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Thanks! It's nice to finally see rage in it's ~60 fps :)

peowpeow4683d ago (Edited 4683d ago )

On that note, is there a site like youtube which allows streaming/upload of videos at this fluidity?

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Rage's Open World Was Intimate & Memorable, Not Another Huge, Empty Sandbox

Rage from id Software and Bethesda Softworks was largely overlooked, yet its handcrafted FPS open world and memorable characters transcend genre convention.

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Fist4achin1652d ago

I enjoyed the first game. I plan to play the sequel soon!

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Here are Star Wars The Force Unleashed, Crysis 2, RAGE & Resident Evil 2 Remake with Ray Tracing

YouTube’s members ‘Digital Dreams’ and ‘Jose cangrejo’ have shared some videos, showcasing Pascal Gilcher’s Reshade mod – which adds Ray Tracing/Path Tracing effects – in some really old games such as Star Wars The Force Unleashed, Crysis 2, RAGE and Resident Evil 6.

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traumadisaster1805d ago

I'm still learning how to look for the differences. At first I was focusing on shadows for some reason but I don't think that changes much, is it reflections that change?

rashada071805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

It is supposed to be simulating how light actually works- so yes if light is reflecting off a surface accurately it should show reflection or an effect that matches what you are looking at in the environment. Next time you play a game look at a puddle of water there may be just a "baked" in texture that if you aren't paying attention seems like it is reflecting but it isn't. I would say though if the light is reflecting more accurately I would think that would give more accurate shadows as well.
I am still not 100% sold on it- it looks okay but I can't get over the hardware price jump for better reflections..

Taz X141805d ago

While games won't look immensely better, it opens up more possibilities overall. Understandably, the price jump is huge. But, that can be said for being at the forefront for any new technology. I'm currently using a 2080ti and while I've played a few games that enable it, the gpu also plays everything else incredibly well so it's not like you're buying this tech for ONLY that option. Enthusiasts will pay top dollar to check out the newest things, but this will eventually become an everyday consumer and by then they'll have optimized and become a lot cheaper.

warriorcase1804d ago

Ray/path tracing can be used how the developer wants it to be. Tracing can be used to calculate shadows/lighting, reflection and even audio, where audio waves are calculated on the bounce off material types to simulate enviroment and echos accuratly.

Should also keep in mind that this ray/path tracing system is different and less accurate option from Nvidias RTX branded type. McFly's is a reshade that layers over the top of the game and therefor the quality will vary drastically. For example you can see nice reflection in the Star Wars demo here but it then introduces colour clipping with the light saber. On a video of GTA 5 for example it was incorrectly projecting a reflection of a red car onto the road which caused a very faint red glow on the ground around the car.

If you want to see a good example of a game developed with ray tracing reflection and lighting in mind then you could look up the youtube video of "Control - Exclusive E3 RTX GAMEPLAY Trailer".

DigitallyAfflicted1805d ago

It supposed to add more realistic light Not actually more light effects and explosions

traumadisaster1805d ago

I hate to say it but I’m fine with fake lights, shadows, reflections. I just kind of like the effect, it’s also great it saves resources for other things.

I’ve been checking out some original Xbox games on x360/x1x and the engine has fake light streaming in through a stained glass window, and I love it even though I know it’s not real time lighting. Heck it even shifts as I move about.

I’ve about convinced my self rt and hdr just doesn’t work for me. Before hdr I would even complain damn why are the headlights killing me they are so bright.

I notice most frame rate, then jaggies, then resolution; with the last two interchangeable depending.

Other day watched an enthusiast rave over 4k and the poor guy was in 1080p. I played the same game the night before and thought wow this is clean, I wonder if it’s 4k, but knew differently and I thought wow even resolution is not always important. The next day he apologized and was surprised he could be fooled.

RaidenBlack1804d ago

EA should have released the Crysis Trilogy Remaster for this gen.

FGHFGHFGH1800d ago

How come the lightsabers don't give off any light? Even in the EA star wars game the guy uses it to light up a dark cave. I guess if it is using frostbite it will support rtx cards.