LA Noire's cut Burglary desk 'would never fit on one Blu-ray'

Team Bondi's revealed details of LA Noire's cut Bunko and Burglary desk, which it says was almost complete.

[Convas]

Wow ... a two disc Blu-Ray game would've been quite different. Would also mean that the Xbox 360 version would be 6 discs or something like that.

No es bueno :(

Edit: Yeah, as the comments in the CVG side are saying, two Bluray discs would be grossly wasteful. 25GBs was enough to offer me about 22 hours for a playthrough. Surely the other 11 cases would've had to be at least two hours long EACH with a hell of a lot of content to exceed the 50GB limit of the Blu-ray.

[TurismoGTR]

If MGS4 could fit on 1 Blu Ray disc... Im sure L.A Noire would fit

[Gunshot]

That would make the most sense.

[norman29]

There probably talking 25gb disks, i dont think they got the memo about the dual layer 50gb disk

[fr0sty]

If not, Sony could break out those 8 layer 200gb discs they have in the labs (TDK has one also), which are still playable on PS3 with a FW update.

[Focker420]

If they used the 50 GB blu-ray disc then they could have easily fit it on there.

[FarEastOrient]

Pioneer makes 100GB and 200GB BD, just use one of those

[X-Zone]

It may have been 1 disc but it used both layers.

[iXenon]

The advanced facial animations probably take up a lot of space.

[theonlylolking]

He also says never would fit on one blu-ray. Well there are blu-ray discs that hold 100gb of space so he is wrong.

[LoydX-mas]

@frosty and FarEast^^^^

Even the mighty PS3 cannot play more than the 50gig Blu-ray. Sorry, it would need a new laser to read the 4-layer discs.
http://www.ps3news.com/Play...

[Skip_Bayless]

Provided LA Noire was even good I'd be interested in playing it.

[IcarusOne]

I think turismo's forgetting that the facial capture at work in LA Noire is very memory-intensive. MGS4 had no facial capture.

[evrfighter]

holy lulz look at all these people offended by that statement.

that's kinda sad

[Imikida]

I think the only reason it takes up so much is because of the facial anamations, with out them they would of probably been able to fit those cases in like nothing

[Legion]

@iXenon,IcarusOne and Imikida

Just to give you a little more information. Though the facial animation capture is intensive when recording and during developement, the actual animations in the game don't require any more memory then normal as it is generated differently then when doing the capture itself.

[pixelsword]

Here's the thing that gets me:

Devs are sometimes saying "Blu-Ray cant's handa mah' game" (25Gb) yet that same complete mysteriously fits on two DVDs every time (I don't know the size... like 5Gb per disc?)

like that last third of the game is suddenly 400 gigs.

[lil Titan]

the can just update the PS3 to be compatible with the 50gb and above blu-ray disc, the article should have said that that game wouldnt have fit on a 25gb or 50gb blu-ray disc

[badz149]

>50GB game? doubt it!

would never fit or would never "PRO"fit? I guess the later!

[RedDragan]

Somebody up from this comment provided a link from a playstation fan site that claims the PS3 would need a new laser to read more than 4 layers....

This is completely incorrect.

Many Technology sites (which are far more trustworthy) state that early blu-ray technology, including that used in the PS3, is capable of reading from 16 layers and thus can be updated to read a 400GB Pioneer BD. The secret is in the tiny width of the laser.

A new laser, as known thus far and subject to change, would only be needed for the 24 layer BD's. Before that is was a case of a new laser at 12 layers, so by seeing that being blown out of the water don't be too suprised to see the 24 layer disc's being compatible sometime soonish, if not already.

[KingME]

@Norman29 (Above)

Oh they got the memo, you're the one not seeing the added cost of using 50GB BDs and the fact that you want them to use those but not charge you any additional money.

[Focker420]

Not really an excuse considering God of War 3 used these 50 GB discs, and charged us the same as any other game.

[skrug]

it also cost more to have 2/3/4 dvds for 360

[Why o why]

yep. I didnt pay any more for my gow 3 than i did dantes inferno. We KNOW about the extra charge for extra dvd's as its been well documented.

Not sure whether to believe these guys because they wont be complaining about the extra revenue gained by selling this. Its a possibility it could of fit as 50gb is/was available....im guessing its not exclusive to first parties. Maybe we'll never know but lets see what the file size is

[KingME]

To each his own, but you really can't even compare BD cost to DVD

Here is an example:

Sony Blu-ray Disc 10 Pack - 50GB 4x Speed BD-R DL Version 2010 - 92.95
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-...

Sony 25DPR85RS1 DVD+R Double Layer (25-Pack Spindle) - 23.98
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-...

Not saying that cost is the definite reason, but it does have to be considered. And to compare one company doing it with another is just silly. That's like saying since one person gave 100 to charity that all people should regardless of their income.

[ABizzel1]

At the end of the day it has nothing to do with cost since every PS3 game must come out on a Blu-ray disc.

This has everything to do with the fact that:

1) If they added this on the disc they would have to use a 50GB Blu Ray which as stated has been used on many games. That itself is not the problem it's paying to use 2 more disc to store the game on (according to previous data the first 2 disc are free, but after that there's a fee per extra disc). No one wants to pay more.

2) Why pay for it all to fit on multiple disc for the 360 when you can sell it as DLC and make money. That's just business, Dirty business in the consumer mind, but that's how it is.

[kneon]

@KingME

You can't compare the retail price of recordable Bluray to the cost of publishing movies or games on bluray, it's vastly different.

The difference in cost between DVD or Bluray is now minimal. The media cost is a small part of the total.

[Legion]

@kneon

You are correct the difference in price of commercial versus retail is much different. But in saying that you will still spend near 10x your materials budget on a Bluray disk versus production on a DVD9.

Similar to how aviation companies are not offering peanuts and snacks anymore on flights to cut costs. It is relatively cheap to buy peanuts especially at bulk. But when dealing with the quantity of peanuts they are saving money with the cost.

Same with the DVD9 versus Bluray. though the price is relatively small for both when purchasing in bulk, the difference in price is huge when dealing with the material budget.

I am not agreeing with anyone here on their either DVD9 or Bluray... just clarifying that small costs add up and are a major factor when distributing.

[Christopher]

Actually, it would have if they had compressed the audio to 7.1. The thing is that they left all audio uncompressed, that's the only reason they wouldn't fit.

It's already compressed to 5.1 on DVD, see no reason why they wouldn't compress to 7.1 on BD as well to make the necessary room.

[Ares84]

I think it would easily fit onto one blu-ray disk. This is BS I'm pretty sure.

Just a fun fact: Bunko in Hungary means: Someone without any manners. It's a curse word. So nice going there with the title....all of Hungary will laugh their asses off, just like I did now.

[Fanbot]

someone forgot the dual layer 50GB BD.

[Godmars290]

More than a bit sure that there are 50GB Blu-rays out there and that the PS3 can play them.

Its the 100GB+ that will have to wait for the PS4...

[kneon]

I thought the PS3 could read the 66gb disks as well. The 100gb+ disks require different hardware though so as you say it will be the PS4 before we see those.

The 128GB BDXL spec was finalized about a year ago so I expect that's the minimum we can expect on the PS4.

[Dark_king]

@kneon actually it been shown they PS3 can run the eight layer 200 gig disc with just a firmware update.

[Godmars290]

The PS3's limit is 50GB. The 200GB was the initial limit of the tech as other drive formats were talking about 1TB. So the PS3 can't use the new 66GB disc.

The only thing I'm not sure about is weather or not it can use the new 1TB 2.5" HDD.

[kneon]

@Godmars290

The 66Gb format can be supported with a firmware upgrade, anything more is a hardware change, I just don't know if they've implemented on the PS3.

As for your 1tb drive I think the only limitation is the physical size. All the 1tb drives I've seen so far are slightly thicker than standard laptop drives. You may be able to cram it in there but I wouldn't try that myself.

[Bull5hifT]

I Read Somewhere the Ps3 is capable of reading 300 GB BluRay Disk, with a firmware update, 6.5GB divided by 54Gb x 2= 360 disk It would take for this

[jneul]

im sure they created a dual layer BD that stores 50GB or something, no need for two blurays as for dvd lol look forward to a stack of dvd's :-D

[subtenko]

If a game was ever so big all they have to do is start using the larger blu-ray disc. They have made larger ones...and add to the fact you can double it on both sides of the disc so it wouldnt be a problem.

Agree of Disagree if you Agree

[tbergen1]

I remember back in the day there was a game called Lost Odyssey...That game needed 4 discs and it was a pain in the ass....
http://amzn.to/pKXzfJ

[MrSpace]

Bull...shit

They even said themselfs, round about the time it went MP, that they had to cut this desk job and a load of cases from blu ray because they had to cut the 360s versions discs from 6 to 3. They never mentioned then it was on two Blu ray...just the one.

Now there saying it wouldn't fit....

Yeah ok then

[YodaCracker]

I have definitely heard this before that the cut content would not have fit on one Blu-Ray disc. It is not something brand new they are just saying now.

[ian72]

IMO its because its multi-platform and would need around 6 or so DVD's for XBOX360. If it was PS3 only then all the content would fit on a Dual-layer Blu-ray disc.
Also this way they can make more money by selling the extra content as DLC. That's the way things seem to be going nowadays, cutting content to make more money selling DLC. If it wasn't then they would give DLC for free, which could have happened in this case, if the content was mean't to be on disc, but wouldn't fit.

[Peaceful_Jelly]

who are they trying to kid? I mean, they can't fit everything on a 50GB disc? Yeah right...

[Droid Control]

Just a question:

Will Blu-Ray be enough for the PS4/720 or do you think Sony will release another disc format?

[Robearboy]

They gonna use a dylithium crystal next gen

[InTheLab]

Must have to be a Trek fan to get that one...

[Persistantthug]

.

[zootang]

well pioneer made a 500gb Blu Ray disc
http://www.trustedreviews.c...

[MrDead]

Pioneer has that covered, blu-ray can give a lot more

http://www.t3.com/news/pion...

[HelghastKid]

considering the fact we have only had about two games that have filled a bluray disc, i think we will be alright. No one seems to be really using the space that the disc provides

[YodaCracker]

True. This new MotionScan technology is what takes up all the space.

[MrDead]

Also.........

http://www.techradar.com/ne...

[bebojet]

The real question is will M$ add Blue Ray to their new console?

[kreate]

thats not happening. microsoft literally said. 'if u want blu ray. go buy a ps3'

im sure MS has other plans thats going to surprise us.

[WhiteLightning]

I honestly think they are just lying because they want to justify the price point of the Burglary desk case when it comes out. Since it was on the Blu Ray disc anyway before it was cut they don't want to see people say things like "How come PS3 users how to pay for something that was already on the disc to begin with"

[Grip]

that bucz u don't have to build the biggest Empty open World or the rubbish Crime Street

[Darkseeker]

Last I checked, there was dual layer blu-ray of 50GB out there they could have used. There is probably 100GB blu-ray out by now as well.

[shadowwizard]

If I'm not mistaken Killzone 3 had over 40GB, so I'm not sure where is the problem here... Just excuses...

[SuperSaiyan4]

Holodisc has made a comeback which can store far more than blu-ray can I believe several years back they said they could fit 1TB onto a holodisc.

I am sure Microsoft will probably end up using that as well since Nintendo are with the Wii:U.

[Dark_Overlord]

According to pioneer, blu ray can hold 1TB too

http://www.t3.com/news/pion...

[wantedboys]

What game will it take 1TB!!!!!!!! And if there is a game that needs 1TB I think it might be the best game ever made!!!!!!!!! And it might also take 10 years to develop.

[ClimateKaren]

Grand Theft Auto - The MMO

I can dream, can't I?

[BeOneWithTheGun]

Elder scrolls XV

[Christopher]

You know, I heard this exact same thing 10 years ago. Holodiscs haven't gone a step further since then.

[AnimaOnline]

There are currently two Blu-ray discs used in the industry: a 25GB single layer disc (currently the most popular choice for PS3 games) and a 50GB dual layer disc (more often used for Blu-ray movies to allow less compression). The 50GB dual layer disc can obviously hold more data but the 25GB single layer discs are cheaper. I assume they used the 25GB discs to cut production costs and keep the game's size constraints closer to that of the Xbox 360's. I can't see how they've filled up a 50GB Blu-ray disc unless they were being extremely sloppy.

[Vortex3D]

If $5 bargain bin Blu-ray movies can "afford" to use 50GB disc, there is no reason why game developers can't afford to use 50GB disc. They continue to use it as an excuse why they had to drop contents. Real reason, sell them as DLC.

This was the same when Lost Planet 2 came out. Capcom said because they want to keep the game to one DVD disc on X360 version, they refused to have the same contents on PS3 version. And they sold dropped contents as as DLC.

That is the same real reason on LA Noire to keep the game down to 3 discs on X360 version. I read once X360 game requires more than 3 discs, there's an increase in the Microsoft fee.

If the LA Noire developers want to defend the Blu-ray disc limitation, then give the dropped contents as free DLC. Obviously they don't want to. Very simply to prove.

[jetlian]

often do you come across 5 dollar blu rays? i barly see 5 dollar dvds!

[perdie]

during black Friday and other sales, I saw $3 blu rays. But they weren't tru hd movies just ones converted to hd or whatever

[Vortex3D]

One fact is the developer doesn't even want to bring up why they can't use 50GB disc for LA Noire. They know they don't have much excuse if they said 50GB disc is too expensive. They also didn't say anything about additional fee for more 3 DVD discs on X360 version.

Reality is they need an excuse to justify the need to sell the dropped contents as DLCs.

[Neko_Mega]

It can, just got to be willing to pay for it and not cry about it.

[kudakadere]

It depends , because they way that xbox 360 first party Dev's got around this promblem was to make all the cutscenes real time there for there won't be space wasted on the disc with hd video content .

[InTheLab]

The must have cracked the whip over at Team Bondi to cut the game down to 25 gigs. I'm sure that was hell.

I'd believe this guy if it weren't for games like MGS4, GoW3, and Killzone 3, which all ate up most of a 50 gig blu ray.

[cereal_killa]

So now Blu-Ray is gimping games WTG Sony /s

[Heishiro__Mitsurugi]

I dont believe this PR smack. I bought a few games between finishing L.A Noire and now, and obviously people on ps3 feel cheated the dlc wasnt on disc, and werent buying it in the droves they expected. Now their saying it couldnt fit, so we'd feel not cheated and buy it if they release it now? No thanks..Its not a bad game.. , but its a largley unforgettable game imho..

[gamingisnotacrime]

this game is repetitive as it gets. good thing i rented it and that was that

[lazertroy]

Do you all realize the reason behind online game passes and s***t likt like this is because of idiots paying for xbox live. Just add it all up.

[BeastlyRig]

disks meh.. 1TB HDD's FTW!!

[Undeadwolfy]

Where can you buy games on 1TB HDD's? ¬¬

[Dread]

i have a feeling that suddenly people at N4G will not mind disk swapping anymore.

but i am probably wrong because sony fanatics do not have double standards when it comes to the Playstation 3 adn the xbox 360. :)

[Adva]

There is no need for disc swapping with Blu-Ray for games, for the foreseeable future. PS3 can handle 25GB and 50GB discs, in this case LA used 25GB therefore not all of it would fit in one disc.

Bots like you do deserve your RRoD box.

[perdie]

dude, the day I have to swap a disc out of my ps3 to continue a game, is the day I spend like 65+ hours on a story in a game alone without out doing side missions. When I saw this title, I was like oh hell no. Thats not possible.

[Why o why]

What, double standards like, graphics dont matter or ones like exclusives dont matter...pleeeeze. You're acting a little blinded buy your disdain for sony fans. Read between the lines and you'd know they are padding their way the fcuk us all over. Divide and conquer. I bet it would fit on a 50 gig blu ray. Time will tell.

[yamzilla]

hmmmmmmm

i smell bs!!

your game was way over rated team bondi
kinda boring compared to red dead and gtaiv, you know, true rockstar games

btw, those freaking gtaiv mods on PC are so freaking awesome i cannot even describe, and to be honest, with a bit of tweaking, the performance impact is not that bad

maybe when this comes to pc and after it has been heavily modded I'll give it another look!

[Chucky2003]

of course it wouldn't because the entire game is just full of uncompressed movies,same was for God of War 3-the game was 40gb,but that because of "the making of" movies,if you take those out you can save 15gb,same for MGS4,same for Killzone 3,they are so big because of the movies and sound

[perdie]

you do realise that still counts as part of the game right? and it has nothing to do with the fact that they still only used 25 gb BDs. What people are trying to say is that everything would fit, if they used the 50gb BDs like GoW 3 and MGS4

[Braid]

You know what you're facing with when you catch that smell.

[BizDaWolf]

can we get it as DLC?

[ShabbaRanks]

I don’t buy that shit lol … This is clearly done for DLC purposes. I actually bought the Rockstar pass to get all the DLC and its funny, because I one case they talk about the previous one (Cole and his partner). So it just shows that this was all meant to be in the game in the first place.

Now come on 50gbs isn’t enough to put all of this stuff? This is getting ridiculous, they should at lest give us 2 or 3 free cases… I think they released 3 already, plus the extra outfits and shit… Oh well this is the gaming norm of this gen it seems ( Sell game for 60$ and sell extra stuff that was intended to be in it in the first place for a other 30$ + )

[ForROME]

This makes me laugh and say , Ill take Golden Eye on N64 , no bl ray or dvd needed to have fun if the game is done right

[Noctis106]

They just say it to Save Face for Xbox360. Because if they actually put Burglary in then Xbox360 version will have at least 3-disc.
If MGS4 could fit in 1 Bluray then L.A. Noire could put Burglary cases in.

[ziggurcat]

i smell DLC.

[scotchmouth]

This probably would have turned out better for everyone had McNamara not been making decisions.

[allyc4t]

Would this have made the game any better? The game was good, but it started to drag on about half-way through.

[WitWolfy]

It would've been better if one could've relate to Phelps on a personal level, and See how every crime/case has an effect on him mentally and physically. I felt so irritated when he treated like every case was how life should be for an officer of the law, even my cousin's EX BF who was a paramedic had to go for therapy every 3 months to talk about what they've seen, just to keep themselves straight.

Plus I also got pissed off when Phelps did what he did when he was cast out of a certain department... Without any motive of why he did what he did. All you knew was he did it and thats that....

[xVeZx]

they all just would have ended with you running after the guy just like the rest of the cases....

[SeraphimBlade]

I KNEW IT. It just felt so weird when you got promoted, and then got promoted again between cases. I thought the reason would be a little different though. I love watching Cole flip out, but it wouldn't have the same punch in a burglary case.

"This man lost a TWENTY DOLLAR radio! Do you want THAT on your conscience?!"

[BitbyDeath]

I doubt it, 1 blu-ray would be equal to about 6-7 DVD's.

And that's without taking into effect all the textures and sounds etc that get reused throughout a game which would need to be held on each disc possibly blowing it up to about 10 DVD's.

[Vortex3D]

Not the case with LA Noire as it's only using 25GB Blu-ray disc which is slightly over 3 DVD DL discs.

[Bounkass]

I doubt it.

[zero_cool]

God of war 3 that is all!

[Kishin]

they're full of shit. the current LA Noire doesn't even fill a single layer BDr... lol!

[Vortex3D]

That is why the developers didn't say 25GB, they said one Blu-ray disc. Whenever any company try to justify why they can't do it, they always drop the most important information. But if there's a live journalist there asking why not use 50GB Blu-ray disc, the developers probably going come up with another excuse like too expensive or ignore the question.

[Kishin]

Mostly likely indeed...

[TheObserver]

I am surprised that no one said this yet...

Once again, the 360 using DVD 9 gimped this game. Gee, thanks for ruining everything for everybody else.

[SlaughterMeister]

They seriously need to make a sequel to this game.

[1PC2PS33360]

the game looks like a ps2 game, they should have been able to fit 20x the amount of stuff that was on it
!!

OVER-RATED game of this gen, right up there with the DISASTROUS abomination of a game, Shadows of the Damned

Actually, LA Noire was 20x better than shadows of the damned, and i hated la noire, but shadows of the damned is the biggest pile of donkey vomit i have ever witnessed, vampire rain, sneak king, hell, bomber man act zero, all infinately better than that digital refuse, shadows of the damned!

[Yukicore]

It is because of Xbox, deal with it... And probably there won't be a DLC for those desks either, because... if you have completed the game you'll understand. Those players who have completed would have to play it in mixed order.

And also this could be either a lie to make you want more cases, or they cut them out for L.A. Noire 2.

[garotasdeprograma]

nice

[churva]

I paid $32.67 for a XBOX 360 and my mom got a 17 inch Toshiba laptop for $94.83 being delivered to our house tomorrow by FedEX. I will never again pay expensive retail prices at stores. I even sold a 46 inch HDTV to my boss for $650 and it only cost me $52.78 to get. Here is the website we using to get all this stuff, bidstag. c 0m