5 Answers to the 5 Reasons not to buy Battlefield 3

A certain gamer submitted his views about why Battfield 3 will possibly suck, and well, we just had to answer these complaints with our counterpoint. Strictly with fun and love for the gaming fans who might agree to either the reason against or our answers.

[SpaceSquirrel]

I'm looking to both BF3 and MW3.

[Hoje0308]

Three people either don't believe you or don't like the idea of you being honest. Personally, I don't really care for Call of Duty and love Battlefield. Couldn't care less if people want to play a different game than me though. It's supposed to be entertainment, remember?

[Ser]

This is N4G, did you not forget to leave your logic at the door, sir?

In all seriousness I do agree with you. Some people just care more about a game's profit and sales figures than the actual game itself.

I'm a gamer, not a stockholder.

@air1 - Negative, Ghost Rider. However, if you take your sales figures and shove them in the faces of others while downplaying another game due to its lack of sales, you might want to get that checked out. You could have a severe case of stockholderitus.

[air1]

Do I have to be a stockholder in order to care if a game I really liked sold well?

[Dee_91]

No you dont
you should care if you would like to see more sequels and support
but it really doesn't matter in this case when the game is going to sell very well

[Armyntt]

Or there is people that dislike things that are "mainstream" like its better to be in the minority that like something.

[Hanif-876]

Personally, i can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. The only time i can tell when the frames has drop tremendously is when it dips below 20fps. Therefore, the fact that DICE went for 30fps per second and a whole lot of visual eye candy is better for me.

[Mr Tretton]

If you can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps, there is either something wrong with your vision, or you don't actually know the difference/don't know what you're looking at.

Considering your avatar, go play a little of the GOW games on your PS3, then, look up some youtube videos. The most popular referrence would be COD. Another good example, download the 12 min gameplay vid of BF3 off PSN. Download both the 1080p and 720p. The 1080p one is 60fps, the 720p one is 30. The 1080p/60fps one looks so much better.

Movies run at 24fps, because it looks most natural to the eye. For game graphics though, it makes them pop and makes for more fluid gameplay.

[MaxXAttaxX]

Gameplay itself is unchanged.
30fps is still a pretty natural frame rate as long as it's solid.
60fps is just added eye candy since the image is more fluid.

[RickHiggity]

I can tell the difference. But since most console games run at 30 fps, I don't care too much about 60 fps

[RagTagBnd445]

You can't compare movies and games because you cant compare the way a camera records video with how video games are rendered. Also there have been a lot of talk about movies being 60fps, i am quite sure the hobbit is going to be 60fps.

[a_squirrel]

BC2 on pc is much better than consoles. The hit boxes are better, everything is faster. It's pretty great.

[Madusha]

It's just a matter of personal opinion, really. More tactical gameplay or run 'n gun. I'll be playing both.

At the so called 'reasons not to buy BF3', there's barely a single point in there that should be taken into consideration.

[gameguidedog]

I only get one bubble so i'll use it up now before everyone has a field day. The article in now way is a stab at Gamerxchange. The site the entry was posted on. Our entry is merely poking fun at the original author and his opinions. Everyone is and should be entitled to their own opinions. This is merely our opinion of his opinions.

[Urmomlol]

Who the hell cares what you or that other no name garbage website thinks?

Just because you have a blog no one will ever read doesn't mean your opinion is all of a sudden so important that people should waste their time reading it.

[Urrakia34]

Don't care about what he wrote? Then just GTFO. It's that simple. ;)

[Hoje0308]

And yet you either read it and commented or you commented without reading it. Pure genius.

[Hockeydud19]

Yea like your opinion is any more important Urmomlol. All you are is a garbage troll looking to make enemies.

[consolez_FTW]

"Who the hell cares what you or other no name webite thinks?"
Wow, that's really harsh man. I don't see you doing the work it takes to make your own site. Plus, his website has over 2,000 people that like it...how many people like your website?..
EDIT: I just read your(urmomlol) comment history and it's the exact definition of a Grammar Nazi.

[rjdofu]

Wow dude, that is just rude.

[StankyChicken]

And who are you that your opinion matters so much? The ruler of the god damn world?

[MintBerryCrunch]

You can tell that the guy prefers CoD over BF, and i doubt he has every played BF2, his excuse for not being a fan of vehicles shows how much little effort was put into the article, he just made up some lame ass excuse to come up with a nice number like 5. And the last one irks me because KZ2 did this as well where you only take to your squadmates and it worked pretty damn well, spawning on your squad leader and getting info on what's happening on the battlefield before you respawn gives you time to come up with a quick plan and focus on the objective on hand as well as helping your squad instead of being some lone wolf looking to boost your K/D ratio

a game like BF isn't meant to be played like that, look at a game like KZ2/3, a guy only looking to get kills and being the top player doesn't mean anything when your team is down 3-0 because you have done nothing to help your teammates get an advantage over the enemy

[Scrupuless]

I agree with the voice chat comment for the most part. having said that I couldnt disagree with your lonewolf theory anymore... people alwayslike to claim that k/d means nothing. Except that kills help you and your team clear the way to the objective, if on your team you dont have some dealy mofo's your likely in trouble .... no matter how hard you go for the objective, so yes k/d matters, lone wolfs on your team can be used to your advantage.... especially if they are killing peeps.

[FragMnTagM]

Maybe K/D matters in COD, but not so much in BF3. Being a sneaky mofo and knowing the map is more advantageous.

I can play nearly any gametype in BF3 without racking up a huge K/D and still win.

[trenso1]

@matthewkeates i can see that lone wolf thing your talking about but it really isnt about the kills of your team functions like a team. there have been times in bc2 where i was the top player on the winning team and you know what? i was negative by 1-5 kills so i say team play > lone wolf

[ismejks]

there are always some troll hiding around

[iXenon]

Is this really necessary?

[Hufandpuf]

The guy who posted the "5 reasons to hate" was Raven_Nomad. He posted it as "thecrapgamer" which is his gamertag on both PSN and Xbox 360.

[Raven_Nomad]

If they have showed no Xbox 360 footage, how can console footage be "beautiful? Makes no sense.

1.* We’ve seen little to no CONSOLE footage

2.GameGuideDog: Again, what has been shown looked incredible, fun and awesome. Failed attempt #2

So as I said, if no Xbox 360 footage was shown, how can it look fun, incredible or awesome?

[WittyAdrian]

Read... Closely...

[Ser]

"Again, ***what has been shown*** looked incredible, fun and awesome. Failed attempt #2."

Where did he mention that 360 footage has been shown, Raven?

[Urrakia34]

Dude you act like Xbox is the ONLY console out there. Footage was shown on the PS3, hence it's beautiful CONSOLE footage. Why try to bash a game that you obviously don't care for? Just let it go buddy, let it go. ;)

[MysticStrummer]

LOL Of course console footage CAN'T be beautiful if they haven't shown it on 360 xD Wow... too funny. The best part is that you're serious.

[MintBerryCrunch]

considering the close to 250,000 pre orders of the game on the 360 without any footage i think it will be just fine,

[mamotte]

I wont buy it because is a FPS and I'm tired of those. I'll be enjoying Catherine.

[Kos-Mos]

Don`t say that in here. The online "screamers" will disagree with you.

[mamotte]

The internet is against my personal opinion and what I'm tired of. Now, should we all be one?

[Organization XII]

Catherine will kick balls, so does bf3 on pc. i want japanese version of catherine

[trenso1]

meh i played the demo on psn was fun at first interesting from what i saw in part if the demo(i didnt finish it casue that b*tch with the fork kept killing me) but i dont see me playing it unless its a easy platinum but kudos to you

[coolasj]

How do these articles about replies to other articles even get approved? Just because it says Battlefield 3? Why?

[ATiElite]

good job editor.

I thought the 5 reasons to not buy BF3 article was totally STUPID and had no valid points what so ever.

The reason for the 4 man chat, cause your supposed to work in 4 man teams.

Clearly BF3 console looks better than MW3. Heck BC2 looks better than MW3 so i just don't understand people crying about the lack of footage when....

1. it's a PC franchise.
2. DICE will show more when everything is ready.

[gcolley]

what's next? 5 new questions to the 5 answers to the original 5 reasons

[consolez_FTW]

^^This.

[ElementX]

Wow, some nobody has to respond to some other nobody about why BF3 will or won't be garbage? LOL, is that what journalism has come to?

[fr00ty-wizenhymer]

And I repeat.

BF3 will be the worst in the BF series and will become mainstream and greedy like CoD did and then in about 5 years we will all be complaining about BF just like how we are now complaining about CoD. Then another game will come along and take BF's crown and the cycle will continue. It's the way of life. Fuck BF, Fuck CoD, Fuck the next greedy, shitty, overrated sell out game that comes after.

[gamernova]

What do.you suggest? Quit gaming games that have proven to be.good?

[fr00ty-wizenhymer]

Proven? By who? By Game Sales? CoD was successful because it has a giant publisher that pushed marketing for the game. CoD is successful because it's easy for kids and it's the 'cool' thing to play if you don't know much about games. CoD is successful because it gets hyped up way too much. There are plenty of good games that aren't popular, overrated and shitty.

[beutchkid]

HAHA XD Oh this made my night, thank you GameGuideDog you have my vote for successful troll of the month XD

[gamernova]

For those who say that 60 fps is just eye candy...*sigh* Isn't that what we are looking for in games? What happened to the graphics war between consoles? People are settling for okay now? You guys can't possibly be American lol I'm a PC gamer running black ops at 90. Fps and I do it because I can. PC gamers are getting the best version of the game and about the clips they've shown, it's PC clips they have shown. Consoles wont look as good. Everyone who isn't a noob should know PC's are best graphic wise. I am getting both games and that's that.

[gamernova]

BF3 will be good but someone always has something to complain about. If you have an issue with the game, don't buy and don't play.

[KingZFlipper]

Personally I think that the squad thing is a great thing in BF3. I rather talk with just 3 friends and when it's 12v12 it means 3 squads. In real war I think it's also easier to walk in smaller squads instead of just be all together.

[Scrupuless]

Altthough I love the squad spawn features, i do have a slight issues with the 4 man chat, as i have a core group of friends I like to play with and we number moer then 4!!! Small caveot though, looks like I will have to make my friends compete for a spot on my squad.

[SCW1982]

Well played, well said.

[ZETTA]

im getting BF3 and MW3!!! PRoBLeM?

[RugbyGod]

I own an Xbox and a PS3. Has anyone, anyone at all seen it play on a 360 yet? The answer is no.

PC gamers can rejoice as it looks AMAZING on a PC, but what are you console gamers raving about?

It's a sub-par product and the bar you are using to measure the greatness of BF3 is one set by a PC.

Snap out of it and stop drinking the EA Kool-Aid

[RagTagBnd445]

Well, it looked quite good at PS3 too, so i think PS3 gamers can rejoice too.

[RugbyGod]

I am pointing out the absence of Xbox footage bro.

Anything less than what dice is showing us on pc simply doesn't look as good, yet they continue to ram pc footage down are throats saying in the same breath that it will be available on consoles as well.

All I'm pointing out is that their tactics are shady.

[Tuxedoassassin]

Good article, agree with everything.
And I will be buying BF3 for sure, about MW3? Don´t know, they have to impress me with something new, but I doubt that will happen.

[Sc0pe92]

fix party system and i will buy happily :)

[csreynolds]

Bored. Of. All. This. Bickering.

Videogames journalism is supposed to be intelligent and informative, not a "my game's better than yours" playground slanging match.

Some people like CoD over Battlefield, some Battlefield over CoD, some both equally. It's called preference. Please, for the love of God, build a bridge and get over it!

[bozebo]

"GameGuideDog: Um, RN, 30fps is realtime video. That’s the same rate we see things if we never blink. For folks who are thinking 60fps is faster, the technical term is 60i meaning ‘interlaced’ video. It’s still 30fps but served faster only due to interlacing half a frame apart at the same instant seeming to be smoother (think HD). Again it’ still 30fps after the final conversion."

This is total bull. Most modern TVs are 50Hz or 60Hz, only at 30Hz would 60fps be reduced noticably in quality - and it would still look better than a 30fps game because your TV's pixels glow for a very short time, causing a natural blur that film and TV takes advantage of. Overall, the light entering your eyes will represent all 60 of the frames passed over a 1 second period of time.

The frame rate in an interactive application must be high, the reason 24fps is fine for films is because we are being shown what is happening - we are not giving input to the scene and so our brain does not expect an immediate response. I can tell the difference between 30 and 60 just from the input lag, and between 100 and 60 on a PC in certain games (actually, probably only counter strike).

Also, you cannot compare motion video recorded from the analogue world with a camera to live computer generated raster graphics (games). Cameras naturally blur between frames in a pleasing way, a game processes a frame and renders that frame's exact snapshot in crisp deatail; motion blur can reduce the problem but only when the camera is moving - not when other objects are moving (this is far more GPU intensive and would infact cause lower frame rates on consoles). DirectX 11 has some fancy new types of motion blur which should make 30fps on next gen consoles a lot more manigable, particularly on screens with very little blur (OLED TVs or PC monitors, at the moment - 30fps games would hurt your eyes on a good PC monitor because there is no screen blurring).

But here is the punch line. The author is correct, 60fps/30fps doesn't make that big of a difference for a console game, he is just trying to argue his point too heatedly.

As for console footage... That which has been seen looked pretty decent. I would expect it to be overall very similar to the PC version except for the lower resolution, texture quality and worse AA. The shader quality on PC will be higher, but not by such a huge amount that it is noticeable at 720p from a TV distance away. Either way, it will look far better than MW3.

Squad based chat is extremely important for BF. Even on PC in BC2, I join a room (in Mumble/TS/Vent/Skype) with 3 other people. Though we have text chat for those occasions where you have to alert the whole team of something (like: "snipers up in that glitch again, every1 get em'!")

Anyway. Both games have random nube tubes flying everywhere, nade spamming kids, spawn rapers etc. To me, those are the only valid reasons to hate either game. The shooting in CoD feels a little more solid, but it is also too easy most of the time so bad players aren't punished for not being able to spray control at mid-long range. In BC2, a good player can get 3 or 4 consecutive kills at very long range by spraying with an smg, but a bad player will hit nothing at all - in CoD you just need your x-hair somewhere in their general direction.

In the end, whichever game has dedicated servers is the best because the other one is full of lag, disconnects and the inability to kick pricks/cheaters (will be unfixable for as long as peer to peer exists).

[SSKILLZ]

What ever I just reserved battlefield 3

[Tzuno]

Shut the hell up everybody will buy both of them including you.

[damnyouretall]

i only need one reason to buy bf3..... cause i want to . i work hard for my money and so does dice. happy to help them

[RyuCloudStrife]

i c videogames.gameguidedog.com is butthurt

[Braid]

What if another writer with another opinion shows up and publishes 5 answers to the 5 answers to the 5 reasons not to buy Battlefield 3? Then what if another one shows up and replies to the reply which serves as a reply to an article which originally served as a troll trap? Now that's real inception s*hit right here and it kinda makes me nervous.

[SoundGamer]

The interwebz will implode!

I will buy a game if I'm interested in it. Despite what others say.

I'm interested in both Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3, along with all of the other "3" games coming out this year. Uncharted, Gears of War, Resistance, etc.

There are so many games coming out and I intend on getting a lot of them. I will play on my PS3, my 360, and PC (although I do need to upgrade). Just the way it is.

I am a gamer and I will not deprive myself from a game just because others say I shouldn't play. Neither should anyone else.

On the other hand, I will not play a game JUST because another person says I should. I'll look into it for myself first, then I'll make my choice from there.

[molsen81]

Why can't we accept that some gamers prefer one game over the other for whatever reason? I played COD4MW1 and just couldn't get into it. When I played BFBC1, I was very impressed and started playing more Battlefield games. The Battlefield series helped get me more involved in the COD games and all MP FPS games as a whole.

[FantasticBoss]

Gotta say, as dumb as I thought the original article was, this article is just as pointless. The first website was a badly formulated opinion piece and this is an unprofessional retort to the original article. Sure the points made I believe as pretty much on the money but this article has no reason to exist. Why the hell is this a top story?

[SephirothX21]

Yes but I'm looking for 5 reasons to the 5 answers to the 5 reasons not to buy Battlefield 3. Where is that article?

[AO1JMM]

My copy is preordered. Anybody who hates battlefield because of the vehicles is a moron. sorry.

[Jonah_Reese]

I would have just said the guy was an idiot and called it a day.

[Ima9er4Life]

This bitch (cuz he cries), is hatin hella lot because he probably is a 360 fanboy. Espically his moaning and crying, he sounds like a 360 fanboy. If you don't wanna buy the game, then don't fuckin buy it. It's pretty simple, he stupid like the kids on Xbox live

[shefferz]

ok one big reason to get it ... to play it and stop reading a shout by fools like u who know nothing and ur probliy a cod fan boy and to be hoenst i dnt care if u get it or not "BF3 SHOOTER OF THE YEAR 2011"