Call of Duty 4 Only Running at 720p?

A reader at Onaxis website, claims that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare may only run at 720p.

First off, the reader claims that the game looks absolutely breathtaking, but it only runs at 720p. The back of the box claims it supports 720p, 1080i, and 1080p, but his Samsung Full HD TV is only running it at 720p.

[ichimaru]

mabey he need to fix some setting. or it could be his tv settings

[Violater]

it doesn't really batter as it's a beautiful game nonetheless

[Real Gambler]

C'mon guys. Game has not been released yet!

The original news start with: "Thanks to a tip from a fellow reader,"

So until the game is released, all you can do is debate about a comment from a "fellow reader" which became a comment on a blog.

How reliable is that?

Just wait and judge by yourself : ) Don't trust comment from "fellow reader" who would have somehow got the game before release! Even if it would be true, it could simply be a beta version. Nothing to call home about.

[jiggyjay]

Talking about a great deal! If you want COD4 get it for the 360 because Circuit City is offering a free copy of COD3 and a poster. Best Buy is also offering with its copy of COD4 for xbox 360 a free dvd of "Behind Enemy Lines" and you can also get $20 off a wireless headset! Awesome deal for a game of the year candidate!

[neogeo]

games like this will never be any better then 720p the systems can not handle 1080p in such a complex game. they have tried and failed. just look at Lair. it looks horrible with slow down everywhere and glitches, lack of color. 1080p takes up almost twice the prosscer and ram as 720p and hardly looks any better unless your TV is 72 inch or more.

[JsonHenry]

Who cares? The game does not run NATIVELY at 1080i/p anyway. This is really a non-issue.

[Meus Renaissance]

I have a friend who has the same issue. His game displays at 720p. I hope it's just people's individual settings and that the game can be upscaled to 1080p.

[Real Gambler]

Could it be simply a beta version?

[JsonHenry]

I don't think Makroyale understands the concept of up-conversion. At least when concerned with the consoles doing it themselves.

[ElementX]

Is this really an issue? I swear, people make issues out of anything they can find. How about enjoy the game for what it is? Ever since HD people have been complaining about 1080 and 720. Just play the game.

[Jack Bauer]

because games today are being advertised as HD... and id think this would really only affect 1080i TV PS3 owners...360 upconverts games and 1080p TV owners, 720p is still HD.

[Makroyale]

Both the 360 and the PS3 will run games at their native resolution only. So if the game runs at 720p it runs at 720p unless the game developer converts it to 1080p within the game itself.

[rofldings]

Makroyale - you're an idiot. google upconversion

[Makroyale]

Are you saying your TV will take 720P image and upconvert it to 1080P?

What kind of TV do you have have? I have a Pioneer PDP-6010FD which is currently the best TV you can buy.

You can upconvert SDVDs etc. but no, you cannot take a 720P image to 1080P and even if you could what are you getting out of it?!?! You're taking a 720P image that fills a widescreen TV anyway.

I think many of the people here need to educate themselves.

[clevernickname]

I am sorry Makroyale, but you are confused. You set your TV resolution in the Dashboard and the 360's Ana chip automatically scales the game output to match. A few 360 games "cheat" their way to HD resolutions this way, such as COD 3 and PGR, which are internally rendered at 640P.

The following article describes the technology of the Ana chip and the implications for the PS3:

http://arstechnica.com/arti...

[Blitzed]

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[solidt12]

The PS3 added this feature in a firmware update back int the spring. It will even upscale old PS2 and PS1 games

[cloud360-7th_account]

Real Reason: Xbox360 version held PS3 Version back so PS3 has to suffer 780p problem and so does all the other MultiPlat games

[sovietsoldier]

I think you have that backwards! who realy cares as long as it looks good and plays good?

[TheMART]

I'll laugh so hard when the PS3 version has 720p and the 360 version is 1080p native.

[socomnick]

Dude are you serious so thats why virtual fighter 5 a game that was made exclusively for the ps3 then ported over to the xbox 360 looks better on the xbox 360. Dude get a grip on reality man the ps3 is a good game system but it is not more powerful than the xbox 360. If anything the ps3 held back the xbox 360 version of the game infinity ward did not want to piss off the ps3 fans if the xbox 360 version looked way better.

[Imalwaysright]

Yeah i laughed so hard when 360 flagship title was running at 420P

[power of Green]

Its a Multi platform game but not a port.

Each game was developed along side eachother I doubt the PS3 was setting the standard for PC/windows and Xbox 360.

I'm suprized the PS3 version held its own with the Windows and 360 version. If anything they were held back so the devs could closly match all versions but even in the 360 beta footage I can see much more color and more heat/light destortion from heat sourse(like the Armored Core comparisons).

[Blitzed]

Are you kidding? How many games run 'native' 1080p on the 360?

[xplosneer]

AFTER A YEAR MORE WORK! DUH!

[The_Engineer]

talking about??

are you confused?

it's actually the 360 version that only runs @ 720p while the PS3 version supports 1080p.

[Daishi]

Why does the 360 version of Armored Core 4 run at 1080p and the PS3 version only suport 720p? Because of developer choice dah. Neither console does what it says it can; does everygame suport two monitor output, 1080p standard, and run at 120fps like Sony said in '05? Does everygame suport live multiplayer, 4 way privatechat, and none of the future titles will need a HDD like MS said they would? Go back and watch the 2005 E3 conferences and see what these consoles were suposed to do...

[Blitzed]

Your're forgetting on key word, 'native' 1080p, not upscalled. AC 4 is noy native 1080p, the only 2 native 1080p games for the 360 are Street Home Court and Virtual Tennis 3. the rest are upscalled.

[ichimaru]

it's been said that there is "supposedly" a noticable diffrence between 720p and 1080p i guess

[TheExecutive]

There is... on larger screens. There is a noticable difference on a 61" I can tell you that.

[Adamalicious]

If your screen has a native vertical resolution of 1080 (only screens around 40 inches or higher) then it's pretty easy to see the difference. 720p still looks good, but 1080p is noticeable sharper.

[ultraviolentz]

you can get native 1920x1200 screens as small as 24"

[Adamalicious]

Sure, I was just talking about HDTVs as opposed to computer monitors - I think most folks hook their consoles up to televisions as opposed to monitors.

[jinn]

stop complaining, i don't even have a HDTV yet.

[Bigmac573]

Why does it matter!?

[jack who]

bu bu bu bu cod4 ps3 is 1080P

edit: looks lik sum ppl dont know sarsicm

[CaliGamer]

But it also looks like someone doesn't know how to spell. Sarcasm is the word, sarcasm.

[tony]

maybe it should run at 480p. it doesn't matter, that just tech resolution numbers. the game will look great and must likely better than anything running at 1080p in any console, mark my words. this ain't even news or anything to be concern about.

TheExecutive can you explain?

edit: ok sounds like know what you are talking about, but in my opinion i rather play a game running at 60fps at 720p or 420p than 30fps at 1080p.i just don't like slow downs in games.

[TheExecutive]

You sir are misinformed.

Edit: Well if I understand you correctly you say that 480P can and does look as good or better than something in 1080p. If that is indeed what you are saying then that is simply false.

Screen resolutions have a lot to do with how a game looks. The higher the screen resolution the more pixels are allowed on screen at a time. 480p on a 61" screen looks terrible. However, a 1080p (1920x1080 progressive scan) signal looks crisp and beautiful.

On a side note: How a game runs depends on a lot of different things, not just resolution. But one thing is for sure, as the resolution increases so does the possibility of adding detail. That doesnt mean that it will be added, but at least the possibility is there.

However, in this case it would be upscaling. There is no way that it would make that much of a difference if it was upscaled to 1080p from 720p. However, if it was supposed to run natively at 1080p (which means the game was developed for 1080p) then the possibility increases that there would be a difference.

EDIT2: Yeah me too, 720p at 60fps is better than 1080p at 30fps with slow downs. Any gamer would agree with you. Slowdowns must be avoided. However, with current hardware there is little reason for there to be a 720p game with slowdowns, its just unacceptable this gen.

[Naruto]

does it even matter?

[aiphanes]

There is no proof that it is...Nobody said it was...1080p on the back means that it is upscalled to 1080p...it is 720p native at 60 FPS...probably on both platforms...

This will all be sorted out next week...they might find out that the Xbox 360 version is 640p.......LOL!

Just think if the wii was 720p....and had a harddrive....

[power of Green]

"Who said that COD4 was 1080p native on the Xbox 360?"

I agree who mention the 360?. Did you even read the full story?.

[PlayStation360]

I think he is referring to marts comment:
"I'll laugh so hard when the PS3 version has 720p and the 360 version is 1080p native."

Which was a reply to cloud360's comment:
"Xbox360 version held PS3 Version back..."

[The_Engineer]

I think some people are in for a nasty surprise, it's actually the 360 version that only runs 720p while the PS3 version is 1080p.

[WAR_MACHINE77]

@The_Engineer who cares? The most common HDTV size is 32-37" and 720p. So why should most people care what version goes higher than 720

[Naruto]

if the ps3 runs 720 then the 360 runs 720 since the developers said it the same

[jackdoe]

Can't believe four people disagreed with you when you are right. Even on the official Xbox site it lists CoD 4 as 720p. Jeez, fanboys these days.

[The_Engineer]

is because they have seen snapshots of the back of the PS3 box and the article from gamersyde that said the PS3 version excels in textures,lighting AND RESOLUTIONS.

[ichimaru]

aiphanes

why are you here?

[aiphanes]

Why are you here? We are all here to voice our opinions...if you do not like it then get out of disagree. I was not saying any version of COD4 was better than the other, i was saying who or what said COD4 was native 1080p...

So just sit back and take a chill pill..its all ones and zeros....

[Baba1906]

who cares lol. it just has to look amazing. i dont care 720 or 1000000020. looking and playing good, thats all i ask.

[Ri0tSquad]

get the ps3 owners excited its going to run at 1080p and it doesn't.

[jackdoe]

I call it false advertising. Why put 1080p on the back of the box if it doesn't support it?

[TheExecutive]

If it says it on the back of the box it may just be this guys settings. However, if it is only 720p its not really a big deal anyway.

[demolitionX]

M$ continues cheating consumers, if this game runs 1080p native on 360.
I am buying a 360 TODAY!!!

[power of Green]

" Thanks to a tip from a fellow reader, it seems that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare may only run at 720p.

First off, the reader claims that the game looks absolutely breathtaking, but it only runs at 720p. The back of the box claims it supports 720p, 1080i, and 1080p, but his Samsung Full HD TV is only running it at 720p.

His TV has been checked, he is using an HDMI 1.3 cable and the PLAYSTATION resolution is set at 1080p, but the game still only runs at 720p.

To make sure it wasn't his TV, he tested other Full HD games, like NBA Street Homecourt, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and LAIR. They all ran at 1080p like the box indicated.

Could Call of Duty 4 only run at 720p? We'll tell you as we find out more "

Devs have obviously found a way to work around certain issues.

If you make it this far you're one step closer to not being illiterate.

[Blitzed]

"If you make it this far you're one step closer to not being illiterate."

I think thats the first time I laughed at your posts!

No bubbles for you though since later you went on to spread your typical FUD when you wrote "only has 256mb of memory for games." which shows a true lack of understanding.

I guess that what happens when you're bias. And the majority of your posts are full of grammatical errors anyways so you probably shouldn't bring up literacy. That line was still funny though!

[karlostomy]

dude, I thought it was funny also

and you DO get a bubble from me because most of your posts are backed up by accurate facts, instead of the common rabid fanboyism.

[OOG FunK]

Okay unless you guys have a tv that is atleast 40+ inches you have no reason to complain about 720p or 1080p. Sony themselves when they introduced the whole 1080p idea said that you will only notice the difference on large tvs of at least over 40 inches and I dont think that all of you have tvs that big who keep goin on about 1080p....sooo shut up and if you do have a tv that big i doubt you are noticing the difference that much and if you do you are prob the ones who get killed alot because all you do is gawk at the game instead of playn it

[Meus Renaissance]

I very much doubt this game runs at NATIVE 1080p, but more likely supports that resolution through upscaling. Regardless, why would people assume the Xbox would support 1080p and the PlayStation 3 not? It's not like the machine doesn't support that. IW had strong requirements for this game, they'd refuse to release it if it wasn't 60FPS so I'm sure that there will be no difference between the two.

[Martini]

60 fps - don't fall under the hype train. IW said the game will run at 60fps in the past but in recent podcats posted on this site they were asked about it and IW guy responded saying it might dip below that but no noticeable frame rate drops.

[antoinetm]

Doomsday is upon us, the world is coming to an end!

(seriously tho, i hope its his TV or smthg... me wants eye candy :( )

[yamamoto114]

It's not true that the PS3 has less power than the 360. It has more, supposedly, in terms of pure processing power. But what it lacks is memory. The PS3's 256 MB compared to the 360's 512 is the real killer.

Regardless, many developers have already clarified how much more difficult it is for people to develop on the PS3. It's certainly more powerful technology, and definitely has the capability to have games that look vastly superior to the 360's. But more powerful technology is harder to develop for, and when you've got one developer trying to share assets between two completely different platforms, obviously the platform that's easier to develop for will look better. Notice however that games exclusive to one platform always, ALWAYS look brilliant. MotorStorm and Killzone, for example. But then that really applies to both consoles. Games developed exclusively for one platform will always look better if they are done EXCLUSIVELY for that platform. Gears of War and Project Gotham Racing 4 for 360, for example.

But back to multiplatform, yes, in a sense, the 360 is holding the PS3 back, but that's not the 360's fault for being easy to develop for, it's the developer's fault for being lazy, or not assigning enough engineering talent to the PS3 department of their development center, or the PS3 being too complex and powerful, therefore complicated to develop for.

You could point a finger at any number of things, but in reality it all boils down to an argument that will always be based on opinion, thanks to the asinine idiocy and fierce zealotic dedication of platform fanboys.

So I will attach this following image to sum up my prediction of the direction of this thread.

[resistance100]

Sorry to burst your bubble but both the Ps3 & 360 have 512MB RAM, where you got the idea what Ps3 only has 256 i have no idea

Edit - How can you disagree an actual fact. The Ps3 has 2 256MB Ram 256x2 = 512MB

[gw4k]

It was recently proved that the PS3 is about half as powerful as the 360.

Do a search concerning the fill rate!

I have both systems and Ps3 so far is way behind in all aspects.

No fan boys here of either systems, just facts. Do your research then talk!

********Also, do not disagree with my post here until you do some reading and see that I am right. Also, yamamoto114 has no idea what he is talking about. His statements prove that!

Also, want to hear more about what i have to say and for more real proof, click the little green plus button on the right!

[yamamoto114]

But that's only because most of the PS3's technology is not a unified structure. It's still more powerful in terms of sheer processing power.

[Martini]

Like bolting a poverfull engine in a crappy chasi, fast in a straight line but it won't stop or turn and handle like s**t :):)

[Adriokor]

What game is more beautiful than heavenly sword than?
Thank you.

[jiggyjay]

"What game is more beautiful than heavenly sword than?
Thank you."

Any dev can make a beatiful game when all their focus is on just graphics and not on gameplay or the story.. We all know that HS is a beautiful game but it only takes 4 hours to beat and becomes very repetetive!

[felidae]

i really hope the ps3 version has no framerate issues or jaggies.

[kingboy]

It`s the best version

[Grinchy]

THE PS3 DOESNT HAVE 256MB RAM. IT HAS 512 SPLIT INTO TWO. HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO READ THE SAME WRONG LINE ABOUT THE PS3 HAVING LESS MEMORY???????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????? ?????

[yamamoto114]

256 main RAM + 256 VRAM technically does equal 512 RAM. But you're right. Apologies for the mistake.

[Grinchy]

am in shock that someone admitted a mistake. lol! kudos to you sir!

[power of Green]

PS3's memory isn't Unified either thus the devs bringing it up, its easy to blame site members. Guess it would be silly and pointless to post all the lnks about the issue.

[CaliGamer]

Just some links will do, but seeing as you made this comment after you had no bubbles I guess it is now convenient for you to ignore my request. Take your low level tactics to a site where people don't have common sense, try Gamespot.com.

[Shadow Man]

lol

no game is running at native 1080p on both consoles, stupid guys. the chips are too slow for 1920x1080. look at the pc's, which graphiccard can handle such high resolutions with max settings. a 8800 gtx ?

[yamamoto114]

And an 8800 GT as well.

[jackdoe]

That is so true. Everything so far has been upscaled in one way or another with varying levels of upscaling.

[Mikey_Gee]

... considering the price of the cards will almost buy you a console and in some cases ... THE PRICE WILL, I would expect it to run well.

If I buy a $100,000 sports car, it better perform on a higher level than my Regal. But in the end, my Regal, gets me to work in traffic JUST AS FAST for a CRAP LOAD less money.

http://www.guru3d.com/artic...

GeForce 8800 GTX - $599
GeForce 8800 GTS - $449
GeForce 7950 GT - $299

=====
I use to dump money into my PC as well. Then one day priority and common dog punched me in the face and I bought a console.

Never looked back either !!

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

"no game on consoles is running at 1080P"

Did you just turn 6yrs old??

PS3-ninja gaiden sigma> 1080p @60fps

PS3- GGT5> 1080p @ 60fps

And yes 1080 is better looking than 720> some people are so dumb its hilarious

[Sevir04]

and So did Ninja gaiden sigma and Lair, as well as Fight night round 3, and virtua tennis 3, i as well as skate for PS3, it has it that it's supported resolutions is 1080p.

we all know that the PS3 has the ability to run games natively at 1080p. it's the same reason why we actually have 27+ titles weather they be full budget or small budget, they run natively.

now for the xbox 360. it was never supported in the machine so it can only achive it through it's vertical software upscale chip called Ana.

it simply isn't possible to get 1080p natively without the use of HDMI as well so thats another reason why the PS3 can run it's games in 1080p from launch granted that the developers made it so that the supported it natively.

in this case i believe that the 360's version will support COD4 in upscaled 1080p, while the PS3 version has that feature in it through programing to run natively ala with TV's that 1. support it and 2. has the HDMI input that enables it.

[gw4k]

What really is important is the question, Will COD4 run at 1080i? If not, there are a lot of people out there that are going to be playing this game at 480P....that is not good!

Come PS3, do something right for once!

Also, want to hear more about what i have to say and for more real proof, click the little green plus button on the right!

[power of Green]

He saying that becuase the PS3 only has 256mb of memory for games and the lack of Unified memory puts PS3 at an disadvantage.

Its obvious if true that IW had to do this to get the game running on par on some level with its brethern. This isn't a simple cartoon game or a racer with pasted buildings and open fields its a very graphical game with much going on at once.

I would be suprized if such a game(COD4) could run 1080p native and if it did its not going to run well at this point in this generation.

[The_Engineer]

but you should really be quiet if you are this ignorant. The Cell can share rendering duties with the RSX thus giving you access to 512mb of memory.

[ultraviolentz]

POG, your trying to say that the cpu doesnt cache levels in RAM? or that the gpu isnt processing textures through the VRAM?

[jackdoe]

That is odd. False advertising on Activision's part if it is true. Why the hell do you put 1080p on the back of the box if it doesn't go that high?

[yamamoto114]

I was wondering that too. Maybe it's user error.

[xplosneer]

They also put that COD3 PS3 at launch ran 1080i, when it didn't.

[DrPirate]

I bet if he turns off the checkmarks on 720p and 1080i, it'll run at 1080p.

[gw4k]

Processing power is one thing, but that does not translate to better graphics and games.

Come on yamamoto114 learn what you are talking about!

PS3 is half as powerful. Again, i have both and i am a fan boy of both!

[aiphanes]

The PS3 is more powerfully look at [email protected] this is all Cell not even the GPU...

ATI is essentually dead in the GPU market after being bought by AMD....Nvidia is now the king is graphics cards...and what is inside of the pS3 on the GPU side? Nvidia...it might not be the latest and greatest GPU, but the PS3 GPU in conjunction with the Cell, can do things the Xbox 360 can only dream of...All will be realized when Killzone 2, infamous, MGS4, and Final Fantasy 13 come out....

[Martini]

New mid-range ATI cards coming out on the 15th this month just about matching the performance of high end Nvidia 8800 GTS cards while costing around $200.

"So, if the launch goes as planned, AMD will be able to claim three firsts: first to DX 10.1, first to 55nm and first to four way GPU performance on Vista.

There will be two versions of the Radeon HD 3800, with pricing (yet unconfirmed and subject to change) between $150-250 depending on model, clock frequency and memory configurations. These will be competitive with cards based on the technology Nvidia announced today. We wanted mid-range cards and now it appears we have them. The question that remains is "what does the change to the graphics component of DirectX in D3D 10.1 mean to consumers?" That is the real key to both launches.

[Bonsai1214]

but then theres the affordable 8800gt thats supposed to be 80% of the performance at 50-60% of the cost of the 8800gtx..

if i had a desktop, i'd probably sli two gt's

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Reading comments in here, you'd think 720p was a bad resolution

[gw4k]

I just want to make sure this game will at least run for the people that only have 1080i tvs...if not they are screwed.

Back to early playstation game status.

Also, want to hear more about what i have to say and for more real proof, click the little green plus button on the right!

[PlayStation360]

I know bro.

"the game looks absolutely breathtaking..." That's all I needed to read.

[aiphanes]

1080p is now the holly grail in TVs, and most tvs out there now are 1080p...heck even the projectors are 1080p...with prices in the low $2k range....I got a friend who has a 73 inch 1080p HItachi DLP...hooked up to a PS3....it was simply awesome!

If you are going to get a HDTV that is over 40 inches then you need to make sure it is 1080p....

Black Friday is less than 3 weeks away...there will be some 1080p tvs for sale...get one then...if not get one during the week before superbowl...This time next year...every TV over 40 inches will be 1080p..

[Sevir04]

the fact that most games today are supporting 720p is reason alone. but fanbois will do what they can to trounce on who ever they think has the inferior hardware, just so they can validate their preferred choice of entertainment.

it should be noted that IW made it clear that both these games will look incredibly beautiful, and that everyone gets the gold here so with that being said, the fankids should leave this alone. they have tvs that can support the bare minimum for HD so they should all shut the hell up and wait for release.

[Bladestar]

damn! why do people have to ruin things! why do you have to say anything... now fanboys will have a heart attack! and this game will not be good enough for them! it's not like these fanboys would tell the difference by playing the game...

[CaliGamer]

Your one to talk man, I guess being a mindless bot didn't work for you so you changed your tactics and got a new user name and avatar. Nice.
Now, hope your learned your lesson, but that wasn't that long ago so before you begin to talk about people ruining games over small things, you should look at some of your old post on your old account. "When looking to chastise someone, the first person you should seek is the man in the mirror."

[karlostomy]

lol dude.

I respect your posts but, dude, didn't YOU also change your avatar?

Pot calling the kettle black methinks

[CaliGamer]

Completely disagree with you, I changed my AVATAR because I was tiered of the old PICTURE I had, notice I wasn't down on my bubbles.

Very different from what Bladestar did by getting a A WHOLE NEW ACCOUNT AND AVATAR because he lost all his bubbles due to trolling and just generally being an A$$.

I think the difference speaks for itself, very simple logic really. Haha, some people just need to read comments and move on, rather than trying to make a logical point with no knowledge of how logic works.

I think through my comments very carefully, more than I can say for some on N4G including yourself Karlostomy, by the way, I hit agree instead of disagree so my mistake.

[karlostomy]

lighten up dude.

I am just here to have some fun and engage in repartee.

My posts are admittedly not the best essays in the world. But it seems you want yours to be... Good for you man.

For me, it is only games. only consoles. only a comments forum.

Sounds like you put a lot of yourself in here.
Peace

[Chug]

I will be getting the PS3 version seeing that it has HDMI. My 360 actually looks worse when I set it to 1080p via component cables, so I just keep it set at 1080i. Why the hell is that? (I've had my PS3 hooked up with component cables and it looked just fine in 1080p.)

[CaliGamer]

Strange indeed, just don't expect to get an answer anytime soon because the answer won't be to the advantage of the 360 or its many minions on this site. Perhaps it has something to do with a lovely lady named ANA that lives in the bowels of the 360 that I hear a lot of talk about.

[Chug]

No doubt man, idiots can disagree, but they cant tell me why...I was stating a fact, I know what my eyes see, unlike those blinded by fanboyism.

[rbanke]

What I want to know, is where are all these people getting COD4 from?

[rbanke]

lol @ disagree

Youre saying I dont want to know where they are getting COD4 from?

[ParaDise_LosT]

news day D;

[DJ]

as default resolution in the XMB. I had to do this so that my PS3 outputs at 720p instead of 1080i, so he probably hasn't gone back to the AV options and switched it.

I wonder what the retail screen comparisons are going to look like. So far, both versions look identical to me. Journalists have been saying that the textures and lighting are better on the PS3 version, but I want to see it for myself.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Add another to the list, what is it now 100 to 1?

[xplosneer]

Is that it?

[harpua]

"Add another to the list, what is it now 100 to 1?"

good point, the PS3 does have more native 1080p games.

[OOG FunK]

for the fool saying how the ps3 has nvidia and how nvidia is teh champ of vid cards and blah blah and how even tho its not the latest and greatest model but with the cell it can do things that the 360 cant.

First off bro im not gonna take sides on any of this but you my friend are a moron. The nvidia card inside the ps3 is the last gen card and btw nvidia has only started to become king with the new 8800 cards and the brand new architecture back when it was the 7900 series ati and them were basically neck to neck with the ati 1900 and the 7900 so dont start talking about how they have nvidia in the ps3 cuz that is irrelevant since they only started to jump leaps and bounds with their new graphics cards because they built them from the ground up.

So basically the ati and nvidia cards back last gen could do the same things and usually the ati ones did it better if you know any background on last gen cards. So the fact that they have the old nvidia cards doesnt mean shizit and you should jus shut up.. the 360 actually has a pre model of the next gen vid cards that are built on the new architecture... So if you wanna talk vid cards the 360 has a more powerful and unique system.....but the cell im sure will be able to do things that the 360 cannot but im sure the ati card can pull of everything and more the nvidia card can in the ps3.

Im not being biased I like nvidia...hell I have had the 8800 model since march and its a great card but it not even the same card as the type of models in the consoles today. They are now way better built to use all of the card to do multiple functions unlike the past gen ones.

and for you to talk about the 1080p tvs are you a moron do you really think that the average consumer buys a tv for 2grand? are you stupid? like honestly I will bet on the fact that prob 75% of tvs that are hd in peoples houses are not 1080p and unless you have one over 40 inches it doesnt matter if it is or isnt.

So we go into a whole other ball game how many people have tvs that are at least 40 inches and at least 1080p and thats a hell of a lower number then what the average consumer owns. We are also talking about 50 inches till we really notice a big enough difference between 1080p and 720p to even give a damn in the first place.

Sorry if I went on a weird rant but honestly some people on this site are retarded and are constantly comparing to each other when half the time they either dont know crap about what they are talking. All it has been for week has been a weird flame fest of the same damn topics everyday

[krik]

I'm tired of misleading information regarding memory of both 360 and ps3.

360 = 512Mb Unified RAM (Shared by CPU/GPU)
PS3 = 256Mb System RAM (CELL), 256Mb Video RAM (GPU) = 512Mb total RAM

So basically, saying that the 360 has 2x the PS3 RAM is totally misleading. This would be true if the game didn't need to render anything. Now since most games actually use a LOT of memory for textures and frame buffers, then the 360 ONLY has 512Mb MINUS any RAM used for screen frame buffers, textures, shaders, etc.

So the 360 can have more RAM for either game logic or graphics. It's memory architecture is more flexible since developers can decide how much of the 512Mb to use for game logic vs graphics.

Anyway, even being more strict in it's memory layout, nothing prevents PS3 developers to store texture data in the main system memory since the bandwidth going down to the GFX chip is extremely fast but storing code on the VRAM is a little harder since the bandwidth going back to CELL is pretty slow.

Now regarding power of both machines, I can only say that I've never seen any game as CPU/GPU intensive as Ratchet and Clank on the 360. This game has so much stuff going on (lots of animation, explosions, destructible environments, etc) with beautiful shaders and graphics and runs at an impressive (and solid) 60FPS. It does it at 720p not 1080p but I rather have 60fps/720p than 30FPS/1080p.

On the other hand, Bungie disappointed me with Halo3 at 640p/30FPS. It's an awesome game but I can't play longer than 1 hour straight and my eyes start hurting (30fps on my HDTV is pretty bad on my eyes, especially on such a fast paced game as Halo3). Technically Halo3 did not impress me, great game but not technically impressive. Even the graphics are, in my opinion, worse than GoW.

The future will tell which hardware proves to be most powerful but right now I'm inclined to say PS3 might be it.

PS: Please don't flame me. I'm not defending PS3 over 360 or 360 over PS3 I'm being as impartial as I can be.

[OOG FunK]

that is a good opinion and he has prob posted on of the best posts out of the bunch....in the end 720 at fps is better then playn 1080 at 30fps and the fact we dont know who will comeout with better looking games. I think the ps3 in the end may but the systems were made weird this time around. I dont think we will really get to see a big difference until maybe another year or 2 and by then will we really care cuz eventually the new systems will coem out and the same crap will happen again.

[bym051d]

Is 720p at 30 fps better than 480p at 60 fps? That's apt comparison you have when you're talking about PS3 games that don't upconvert to 1080i.

Sony screwed us early HDTV adopters.

[CaliGamer]

Sometimes you lose....
360 v. 360 elite etc. If you want all the features and benefits, then wait and have some patience. Technology changes and adopting early always has the risk of losing out on something, don't blame Sony for your impatience, just like you can't blame MS for trying to make a product that appeals to a different audience.

[bym051d]

I don't think it's impatience. The PS3 is the *only* thing I don't always get HD content out of. That's because the ability to send out multiple resolution signals has always been on the source device. Every other HD source device *except* the PS3 scales.

And it's way different than 360 Premium vs. Elite. The Premium is a 100% capable machine, just in a lesser configuration. It lacks nothing. It would be like MS releasing the XBOX360Uber with an HD-DVD drive and then started releasing some games HD-DVD only.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Oh god no NOT 720P! THE HORROR! First off this game was obviously NEVER native 1080p, 1080p can't go higher than 30FPS, COD4 is 60FPS. 720p is where you want this game to be played, not 1080P

[xplosneer]

You obviously forgot something called a PC. :|

[PS360PCROCKS]

are you serious? Did you seriously just type that? A regular 1080P TV can do 1080P/30FPS. Unless you buy one of those specialty PC gaming monitors 1080P/30FPS is the highest you will get.

[ultraviolentz]

more people hook thier console up to a pc monitor than you would think

[xplosneer]

My point: specialty PC gaming monitors.

[batman2million]

this is really getting aggravating! Why do people argue so much about something running on 720p, 1080i, or 1,000,000,000p?

Sometime it seems these people care more about it's graphics and proving a point that my system is better than yours, than actually worrying about how good the game will play!

For god sakes, just play the damn game!

Heavenly Sword had some amazing graphics! But I would take God of war 1 over it any day! And God of War doesn't run on 1 billion p!
Same can go for hundreds of other games!

COD 4 will be awesome! Quit complaining and just play the damn game!

[harpua]

even xbox.com lists this game as 720P

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/g...

[The Chief of Mjolnir]

I really don't care if it is 720p or not. I don't have a HD TV anyway.
And I cant afford one either. Not for a while.
But I can play the game. Then, I am happy.

[gnothe1]

im running a 60 inch SXRD sony 1080p hdtv that makes blu ray movies look absolutely beautiful, but im buying COD4 for my 360 because regardless of how much power you guys claim the PS3 to have MULTIPLAT games seems to be more in the 360's favor. plus all my buddies are on XBL!!

[ParaDise_LosT]

a 1080p 50inch HDTV?

[The Chief of Mjolnir]

I don't. Too expensive for me. I'm a student without a job, so I can't afford all that fancy stuff.

[bym051d]

Fewer than have a 1080i only HDTV.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

52" Sharp Aquos 1080p Owner here

[boodybandit]

I don't care if the game is 720p or 1080p as long as it has a stable frame rate.

[ukilnme]

I have the Samsung Ultra Slim DLP. I could care less if the game runs at 720p. I just wish all these d@mn fanboys would STFU about it.

[socomnick]

I got a samsung 1080p dlp Model is hls5087w 50incher

[ichimaru]

What does it matter???
ratchet and clank-720
gears of war 1080i(not p)
bioshock-720p

you notice somthing about these games?. they're all great,platium and gold games.

framerate>resolution anyday and cut out the

"360 can't do 1080p" lies becuase it "Can"

[rofldings]

Not native 1080p.
PS3 can. It can also upconvert. Depending on the dev. ;)

[karlostomy]

The 360 AND PS3 can do 1080p native.

However,
360 can upscale to 1080i/p both vertically and horizontally
while the PS3 can only upscale horizontally.

I think this is such an unimportant distinction, but it irks me when people post B*llsh*t as facts.

[sandip787]

wow i dont like this game any more due to this news.....

[ApocalypseShadow]

"this game looks awsome either way.""i don't think it will matter to anybody."

well.......to the fanboys who hope the ps3 version is 720p and the 360 version can be upscaled to 1080p.

mag lev...................

[The Chief of Mjolnir]

You forgot those who really don't give a crap about it. Like me.

[kingboy]

monthly magazine OPM (Official PlayStation magazine) has this month World Exclusive for Call of Duty 4
http://img399.imageshack.us...
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http://img127.imageshack.us...
http://img129.imageshack.us...
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[DISCIPLE111]

but how does he own it so early comes out next week?

[AnalFace]

bloody americans ahahaha!!! funny!!

NO FACTS

[xg-ei8ht]

There will be no game on xbox360 with graphics like call of duty 4, running at 1080p on 360 unless upscaled. But native - noway. Not in a million years.

[Martini]

There will be no game on PS3 with graphics like call of duty 4, running at 1080p on PS3 unless upscaled. But native - noway. Not in a million years.

[DJ]

1080p requires 2.25x more processing power and memory bandwidth than 720p, and considering the specs of both systems, PS3 has a MUCH easier time handling Full HD resolution than Xbox 360.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Well of course you would say that DJ, but I'm sorry anyone with half a brain knows that 1080p 60fps games are a Sony marketing tactic, games that are 30FPS are great on 1080P, games that are 60 are MUCH better on a steady 60FPS resolution such as 720P. Deny, twist and try to make the story what you want it to be, but 1080p 60fps and all the 1080P games is useless. That extra power could be used to make the game even better.

[KakashiDX]

720p is just fine. I'll take more effects and stuff over higher resolutions, anyday.

[snoop_dizzle]

ratchet and clank looked awesome and it was 720p. People really are graphic whores here.

[DaEnforcer]

That buddy uis probably an xbot, simple as that.

[Bibto]

It seems that the confusion comes from the fact that most people do not know what upscaling is, and the back of the box doesn't make it clear what the native resolution is.

Upscaling takes the natively rendered screen, and re-sizes it to whatever resolution. The same as taking a small pic in Photoshop and resizing it. At the end then full 1080P screen is sent to the TV, but it was still generated from a 720P (or lower) screen. Maybe the back of the box should state the native resolution.

Ex. Supported Resolutions: 480P, 720P(Native), 1080i, 1080P.
That might clear up some confusion.

Also, about the PS3's memory. It has 256MB DDR3 + 256MB XDR RAM. The one problem is, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the graphics card only has access to the DDR3 memory. The other problem is that Microsoft reserves 32MB for the OS, whereas Sony reserves 96MB (of XDR RAM) for the OS. That's a 64MB difference and might be the reason for a lot of the "less memory" complaints. Please correct me on this.

[The_Engineer]

the RSX and Cell have access to each others memory, and we haven't even seen what Sony has in store for us with it's "FLEX-I/O" bus. Peter Dille has mentioned several times that Sony has secrets to reveal for 08. Sony has delivered on everything it has promised so far so I am excited for these "secrets". It is clear both companies are playing for keeps this time around. MS with an aggressive and often times deceitful viral marketing campaign (not the best moral choice, but I can't blame them for scratching and clawing for every piece of market share they can). Sony with superior technology and craftmanship followed by an AMAZING lineup of games between now xmas 08. I think the 360 is a great console with some good games but at this point I like Sony's approach much better.

MS doesn't realize that the negative tone they have set for the industry will comeback to bite them in the beehind. Like it or not there are ALOTTTTT of loyal playstation fans out there and when they see MS sniping at their favorite console and it's games they WILL respond in kind. So instead of everyone enjoying Halo3 as a fun game to play it was greeted with "hahahahahha that POS only runs in 640p".

You reap what you sow.

lol stormflood

"Also, we are going to crack down on the fanboys in this forum. If you don't own a PS3, and have no intention of owning a PS3... DON'T POST HERE!

Final warning.

Trolls will be suspended without warning from here on out."

I think AVSforums has the right idea.

[jackdoe]

I believe the XMB has been lowered to 56MB through all the firmware updates.

[tk]

1) No - they have the same amount of memory - and actually due to the local stores on the SPU's, the PS3 actually has more memory
2) No - The GPU can access the other memory. The memory is split which simply means that it is a benefit. MS plays the "unified memory" story even though it is not positive - good spinning on their side - same as trying to prove that somehow HD-DVD is higher spec than BD. Because the two memory pools is split - think of it this way:
You are drinking beer. You have two glasses (split memory). You have two straws. On the other hand you have a large glass, with one straw. Now - with which one will you be able to empty the glasses the quickest? The two straw or one straw solution? Remember the straws are all the same capacity (bandwidth). So in stead of admitting on it - MS hammers on the bigger glass and not the two straws. Also known as spinning. Obviously using two straws at the same time is more tricky - until you mastered it.
3) Yes - the PS3 OS uses more memory - but then - more functions will be in that reserved memory - that need not be reimplemented in the game code. For example - chat, video etc. This will be available to all games from XMB. On the XB360 - it will be in the game code. So in the end - the same memory will be used by both - just differently. And after all is said and done 30MB is not going to make a difference in the graphics quality. It will just be brought up to confuse - also known as FUD.

[sak500]

My 50" Sony Grand wega LCD TV supports upto 1080i. I personally prefer better quality graphics, textures, and SFX than 1080p rez if thats coming at the cost of any of these. 720p and 1080i rez looks amazing on my tv and i'd be happy to play it.

[solidt12]

I don't care. It looks amazing. I have 42" LG LCD 1080i. I play all my games at 720p anyway because its what I prefer. To me not a big deal until TV and games will do like 1280p.

[Stormflood]

Sorry PS3 haters, the game runs beautifully in 1080p on the PS3 with better textures.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs...

[skagrerrrr]

the game is awesome

[DRE1970]

http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

[psycho360]

Wow these look quite impressive looks like actual footage. But we should wait till the reviews are out for which one is better. Anyway people with single console would be buying it irrespective of whichever turns out better.

[PimpHandHappy]

and you dont have a HD TV and/or you dont have HDMI it wont matter what one you buy

i only have a PS3 right now so its a must buy for me

I hope both games look great and one doesnt shine over the other

if the PS3 version comes out better you wont see me rub it in

[DFresh]

The reason why he's only playing in 720p is because that gamer didn't set his resolution settings and hid HDMI settings correctly.
Say I f you have a PS3 like I do Sony gives you the option to choose which resolution you want from Standard Definition (480P) to full HD (1080P)and for your HDMI select on full output.
You can't select every resolution only standard and the highest setting your TV can run at.
Even if you select 1080p all other games will naturally go to the settings it can run at.
Pretty cool idea.
I don't know if you can do that on an Xbox 360 but if you can that's where you would go.

[BodyBag]

Who cares. It's still a great looking game.

[Daxx]

I still play on a SDTV because playing on my Widescreen HDTV( http://i19.photobucket.com/... )screws up my accuracy when I'm playing a FPS. It's just to much screen for me to handle.

So this whole 720p thing wouldn't matter to me.

[betoweto]

not this sh1t again..

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Boo Hoo another whine fest brought to you by PS3 fans.

[tk]

So late in the thread - after the rumor proven wrong - and you still make a statement like this?

Seriously dude - the statement was disproved big time. If anything - all things being par, the PS3 had the graphical edge - and the rumor was just a rumor. Mentioned by many up in the replies - and yet - you make a stupid comment like this. One word: Troll

[367 To Your Ass]

360 has a hardware scaler

ps3 scales through firmware (software)

games like Darkness are examples of scaling practically no clean ups as the 360 version.

http://images.eurogamer.net...

http://images.eurogamer.net...

http://arstechnica.com/arti...

you know what screw this is point less.

[wil4hire]

through your consoles internet browser...

720p is great, 1080p is great as well.. However, negligible when it comes to a game.