Kotaku: New Rainbow 6 Might Be the Most Innovative Shooter in Years

Kotaku's Brian Crecente writes, "I love my shooters, but the notion of finally adding to them the very real human cost of gunplay, of decisions that impact not just a country's safety, but a person's, is vastly intriguing to me."

[LOGICWINS]

Wait, so its confirmed!! This is actually gunna happen?!

[Nitrowolf2]

I hope so. Man i have both Rainbow six 1 and 2 for PS3. I have a few past titles as well. These games are perhaps the best games for team play IMO.

[I_find_it_funny]

pls make it Kinect-free

[Aloren]

You want it to be kinect free ? then don't use kinect... Would you even get it on 360 ?

[Blaze929]

You must have missed the part at E3 where they said ever Tom Clancy game will use Kinect from now on.

[DeadlyFire]

All I see is Rainbow Six Vegas 3 or New York if you wanna call it that.

[chaos-lockheart]

yea i hope so too, have it for the pc though, so im going to get it for the pc

[IcarusOne]

Huge fan of this franchise. Many fond memories of terrorist hunts with friends on xbl. Can't wait to dive into this. I hope they implement the morality engine because it sounds pretty rad. Whether it works or not, I already applaud Ubisoft for thinking about going there. It's nice to see devs moving outside the box.

[LOGICWINS]

Yeah, I was just at Gamechamp and I was looking to get Vanquish or RB6: Vegas 2, but they were sold out, so I just picked COD4 for 12 bux.

[8bit_Nes_Rambo]

Yeah, Vanquish is pretty sweet, bro. Good taste.

[JellyJelly]

I own both and I'd recommend Vanquish. Not that RB6: Vegas 2 is a bad game, but with todays standards it feels very very old. Too old.

Vanquish is imo the best TPS money can buy.

[BattleAxe]

RSV1 and 2 are both still fantastic games. The co-op modes never get old.

[joydestroy]

omg i had no idea they were even working on a new RSV! very happy about this news. while i liked the updates to RSV:2 over the first, they were very minor. i'd like some updates to graphics this time around.

terrorist hunt on high density realistic FTW dude!

[Washington-Capitals]

lets give credit where credit is due, Rainbow Six Vegas 1 on the PS3 was a very solid launch title and had really good MP at the time. I really enjoyed it. Never played RSV2 but if the developers are trying to innovate why not support them and have hope? All i see is people bashing cod etc for not innovating call a spade a spade. LETS HOPE this game will be something FRESH.

[EVILDEAD360]

Rainbow Six 1 on the 360 which ended up being a timed-exclusive (6 months later on the PS3), was by ar one of the biggest suprises this gen.

The shootouts in and out of the casinos were simply phenominal at the time.

Where people don't give credit to Rainbox six is the co-op snd Terrorist Hunt..which is absolute CRACK and was out way before we got Horde mode type multi in most games these days.

The launch of 360s Ghost Recon and Rainbox Six Vegas were two of the biggest reasons I became huge fans of Ubisoft.

Never saw an announcement but best believe Ubisot can take my money now for another shot at this fantastic series.

Evil

[TheIneffableBob]

R6V was timed-exclusive for the 360 for like a month. The PC version came out a month later.

[RedDead]

Vegas rocked, despite the glitches, Vegas 2, I dunno why but I wasn't feeling it. Em, Hope a new one will do something great. Really great for Team play anyway, Calypso casino and Attack and defend where perfect for each other.

[Nitrowolf2]

That because Vegas 2 was more of a giant DLC packet with barely any improvements.

[LOGICWINS]

^^Yeah, pretty much, but it was 14 bux when my store last had it..so even if it is DLC, thats a damn good deal.

[T-K47x]

RSV1 is one of my favourite games on the PS3 to date, every map was amazing. RSV2 wasn't as good imo I thought the maps weren't as strong but it was still a great game. I can't wait for a new RS title and even with the amount of shooters out atm it will still be amazing.

[CleanUP-CharliE]

LVU Campus FTW :)

Good memories.

[AAACE5]

I spent many hours playing Vegas 1. Vegas 2 ended up breaking apart a large group of gamers I used to play with!

Hopefully the new one brings back the fun! I do know that not having Retrieval in the multiplayer of Vegas 2 also hurt it!

[EazyC]

lol at the disagrees...

[subtenko]

I'd like playstation move support like my other shooters, but NOT kinect support. I do not wanna play the game using kinect. I want a controller with motion so I can sit down if I feel like it as well.

[hades07]

This is why I have enjoyed Ubisoft so much this generation, they are not happy with their series getting stagnant and continue to try and improve them unlike some companies *cough* Activision.

[otherZinc]

Forget all the Talk: Is it going to be "CO-OP" like the other Rainbow Six games?

[Emilio_Estevez]

I really dig this idea.

[LOGICWINS]

This makes me so happy. RB6: Vegas was the first PS3 game I ever owned and introduced me to online gaming. I used to be a beast in that game. I'm buying this one Day 1 for sure.

[ShoryukenII]

This looks so cool. Even if it doesn't have multiplayer (I doubt that), it still looks like it'd be worth $60.

[Tony P]

Ok, that's nice... But why the are they talking about it like it's a new feature in gaming?

It sounds like the same thing RPGs have done for about a decade now.

[ForTheFallen]

Didn't MGS4 do this to an extent too? Hell it even pointed out the lack of morality in video games didn't it?

[Cenobia]

After reading the article it sounds like it is a matter of perspective. You get to be the poor guy that is strapped to a bomb and holding a dead man trigger, and experience what I'm sure must be in the top 10 most horrible experiences.

Then you get to take the role of a person on the other side of the incident and make a decision to kill the person who you just were, or try and save him and risk numerous other lives.

It sounds like those COD4 cut scenes taken up a notch. It could be a great idea, but I hope they aren't just throw away moments.

To give it real emotional impact they should do something similar to Heavy Rain, where you control this guy in his house, walking past family photos, starting to make breakfast when shit goes crazy. Then, after seeing all that you might have to throw his ass off a bridge.

That could be awesome.

[candystop]

Just get rid of 3rd person view and I'm happy.

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Oh gosh no! That's what I hated and the main reason I stopped playing. The cover system turned me off because and I to God it's not there again. I want a FPS from beginning to end with no top view or 3rd person anything.

[Nitrowolf2]

Why?
I mean if your talking about like 3rd person view the whole game then yeah,but in the past 2 rainbow six its always been a cheat code for third person view. The cover system in third person view is absolutely the whole reason why i continue to play this game

[jivah]

thats what cod is for. rainbow has its own identity and thats partially due to the third person cover mode.

now with that said. im happy another rainbow is in development.. i just wish it has the old system where i can send my guys to take the route i want em to take.. that was pretty fun

[candystop]

"thats what cod is for. rainbow has its own identity and thats partially due to the third person cover mode."

This was never a part of RB6 until Vegas and had nothing to do with it identity. Maybe the identity of Vegas byt future games don't need that feature. Gears and UC are 3rd person so go play those.

"i just wish it has the old system where i can send my guys to take the route i want em to take.. that was pretty fun"

I guess I could say the same thing and say it's not part of there identity smart azz. Anybody that's played rB6 before Vegas should know it was a better game back then. Man how I hope they don't listen to Vegas fans this time around.

[IcarusOne]

I hope you're wrong candy. That 3rd person cover is one of the best features of the RB6 line now, and to remove it would seriously undermine the game.

[jivah]

um..well this is the present n not the past. everybody i talk to about rainbow mentions the third person cover and how they like that gameplay element over cod.. soo now.. its part of their identity. similar to how killzone 1 didnt have the first person cover but now it does.. its become part of its identity that sets it apart from other shooters

and as far as UC and Gears. well those arent primarily first person shooters with a third person cover system right? yea u fail

n so much for keeping things mature catd1ckk . i never said the second part was part of rainbows identity .. maybe you need to read it again. im clearly mentioning my own wantings for the new game. i been playing rainbow since it came out on dreamcast. and i remember the old system of having to create routes to tell em where to go. n i hope its part of the new one.. soo much for having a brain smart4ss smh

[Venjense]

R6 Vegas had the best cover system to date. My only regret is that it didn't become standard in most other shooters.

The mix of 1st and 3rd views made it work perfectly and avoided that disorienting first person cover view.

[ZombieAssassin]

Hell yea all I play is R6V2 can't wait to get a new one.

[NeoBasch]

Am I the only one depressed by the fact that this is yet another shooter? I'm starting to get sick and tired of the West.

[Tony P]

Actually, I'm more depressed by people who define Western gaming by its shooters.

[NeoBasch]

Really? Because the last five games I've played from the west all involved killing things. Maybe not with guns, but pretty close: inFamous, Medal of Honor, Halo: Reach, Call of Duty, and Mass Effect. Battlefield 3 comes out later this year. Uncharted 3 as well. Same for Modern Warfare 3, Resistance 3, Gears of War 3, and BioShock Infinite. Ghost Recon hits this holiday as well.

Metro: Last Light, Rainbow Six, Mass Effect 3, Medal of Honor 2, Far Cry 3, The Darkness 2, and Overstrike for next year. And we've already seen several shooters this year: Dead Space 2, Brink, Bulletstorm, Crysis 2, F.3.A.R, Duke Nukem Forever, Homefront, Red Faction: Armageddon, Killzone 3, and SOCOM 4.

For the most part, I've included only American developers, but there are a couple European ones in there as well. I just don't see how you can debate this. It is literally taking over our industry. Quality games without shooting in the West are hard to come by frankly. Makes me appreciate games like Heavy Rain even more.

[Tony P]

You're not being clear. What exactly do you want me to disprove? That the West only makes "shooters" or that the West only makes games in which you "kill things"?

Either way, you're pretty off.

If you really need to see a list of Western games that aren't shooters:

Fable
Banjoe Kazooie
Avadon
Frozen Synapse
Braid
Limbo
Sly Cooper
The Elder Scrolls
EVE Online
Forza
Burnout
Need for Speed
Dirt
From Dust
Journey
Minecraft
Torchlight
Spiral Knights
Flower
Overlord
Modnation Racers
Little Big Planet
Spore
Castle Crashers
Batman: Arkham Asylum

Do I really have to keep going?

[ForTheFallen]

There are a lot of things one can be sick of that come from the West.

Video games are not one of those things.

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

How the hell does NeoBasch get this many disagrees for an opinion? AN OPINION.

I'm not too excited by how many shooters are coming out either to be honest.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

He asked a question. People clearly disagreed with it. What's the big deal?

[CanadianTurtle]

Wow, thats a first in a really long time.

I never knew I'd see the day where I'd see the words "shooter" and "innovative" in the same sentence

[omi25p]

Another game based in new york. Whoopy

[blackhammer]

If it isn't exactly like Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield, the one R6 game I consider to be a tactical-FPS masterpiece, then I will avoid this until it ends up in the $15 bin. I thought Vegas and Vegas 2 were very very lame compared to the first three installments of the R6 series.

Vegas and Vegas 2 were definitely "consolized".

[caboose32]

As soon as I read "New York City" I left. Can't developers make a game in ANY other city in America? It would be cool to see some more in San Francisco or anywhere else.

[MassOnesumis]

I know what you mean. Why not make a game in Burnt Corn, Alabama .

[caboose32]

Might as well. More original that New York.

[Mr PS360]

Too funny.

[Son_Lee]

There are so many great cities out there besides New York! Do something a little less usual, and go for Seattle.

Rainbow Six Seattle just sounds good, no?

[CrimsonSaber]

Here is what i want to know, Why UBI are you focused on Rainbow Six like this thats shown... Why cant you developers push the engines that are involved with your Tom Clancy games. Splinter Cell is still using Unreal ( old as hell engine). GRAW isnt anything thats visually jaw dropping, and out of those screen shots i cant even tell what kinda gun that is... Beef your Sh*t up!!! grab onto yo strong hands !
Btw where is the hd remake bundle of splinter cell 1,2,3 opps!

[Psychotica]

Fix the bots so they don't just pop-up behind you!

[FFXI101]

I'm just happy to know they FINALLY release some info on the next Rainbow game...We've been waiting for a long time since first two Rainbow games.

[TheShow17]

Sounds awesome. It sounds like they are trying to mix in Heavy Rain or Infamous with a FPS. It would be nice to see consequences to the decisions made in games Army of Two: 40th Day tried, but there weren't any real consequences nor did it have alternate storylines.

I really hope they keep the split screen co-op. I've spent many Saturday afternoons with my buddy, drinking beer and killing terrorists in R6V and R6V2.

[Wizziokid]

I've been waiting for this for years, this is my Favorited shooter to date.

black arrow was one of my Favorite original xbox games, I spent many hours online, probably the most out of any FPS i have played.

if they do release a new one, I hope they bring back the clan system from that game.

[Soldierone]

Awesome, Vegas was by far my favorite game to play on PS3. The first one never got old when Ps3 first released. Then the second one was pretty good, and they did us all a favor by re releasing our favorite maps from the first title. That was simply just awesome. They required a lot of strategy, and would be hard in todays world. Just wish they didn't feel so dated now lol.

Lets just cross our fingers and hope Ubisoft doesn't pull some exclusive bs with this one so everyone can enjoy it.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Wait. So this is a reality? I've been hounding Ubisoft for I don't know how long about a new Rainbow Six, but they never said anything. There wasn't even an announcement at that crazy ass conference at E3. I really need a new Rainbow Six.

[Venjense]

The old Rainbow 6 Vegas was more innovative than 95% of console shooters this gen. It had cover right when Gears allegedly re-invented it, it had squad tactics and control, down the sites aiming and it wasn't at all corridor based. It was more open world than Crysis 2 will ever be.

Most FPS games have innovated this gen only in terms of MP but in terms of pure gameplay few have matched the quality and innovation of R6 Vegas which came out years ago.

[JeffGUNZ]

Holy sh*t. This game sounds amazing. Please incorporate the morality gameplay and this game will reach levels never seen before. If it has it, day 1 purchase for me.

[Peaceful_Jelly]

I hate shooters but I love Rainbow Six games since the day I played that Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six on N64. This is like the only FPS that gets a free pass from me. =p

[Sc0pe92]

Vegas was one of those games that was so unique and FUN! it was the most fun i had in a shooter , cod4 is up to par but nothing like vegas!

[Ascalon94]

I was jus playing Vegas 2 a few minutes and that is such a blast to play

[ExitToExisT]

i havent been to new york but thanks to the video games , i am now more than visiting it and again , another game using NY.

[mamotte]

Seeing last years, I dont know if those two words can go togheter