DICE Tries To Put End To Battlefield 3 Controversy, Sends One Last Message To Gamers

Last Thursday on Late Night With Jimmy Fallon was supposed to be a time of jubilee for DICE, the makers of Battlefield 3, and gamers alike. But what first was an awesome show, turned into a controversy between console and PC fans, with certain PS3 owners expressing disappointment with the quality of the PS3 footage shown on the show. Even Xbox 360 was brought in the mix and DICE has rarely said anything concerning said platform.

DICE’s Rendering Architect Johan Andersson has had enough. He’s about to stop talking about the game in full on twitter, but before he leaves, one last message must be relayed.

[Kon]

This guy is awesome. He answers to EVERY question that the fans ask him on twitter. But some 'journalists' take those answers and put them completely out of context. I won't be surprised if he stopped talking to the fans.

[zero_gamer]

Some gamers just enjoy whining for the sake of whining. Of course the PC version will look better than the console counterparts. We all should know this by now.

I thought the PS3 footage looked great.

[Dart89]

I agree man im a ps3 player and the graphics looked great for a console game im not b**ching about the game im just anxious to try out the beta and then get it when it's released.

[NukaCola]

Who's complaining? The game looks great

[RememberThe357]

Any rational person thinks the PS3 version looks great. It's a handful of whinny little girls that need to shut their mouths.

And thanks crappy journalists for doing the opposite of your job.

Can't we now start banning these horrible sites?

[deadpoole]

As Lt. Col. James 'Rhodey' Rhodes said in Iron Man 2 ... "DEAL WITH IT". This game is gonna be awesome, PS3 version will be 720p native with some form of anti aliasing (which bfbc 1 and 2 didnt have) + BF1943 and 4 Maps from BF2. Game graphics wise will be polished to its finest till month before its release date.

What more do you want ???????

So stop with all this hate ... BF3 FTW.

[Sarcasm]

Oh well, I'm buying the PS3 version anyway to play with my buddies.

I'm going to have the PC version too just to enjoy it in all it's glory.

[joydestroy]

someone always has to ruin it

[evrfighter]

what the hell does posting on twitter twittering/twitting/tweeting accomplish?

seriously

it does more harm to celebrities, sports figures, and business and industry figures than it does good.

The way I see it if you are a celebrity type you have nowhere to go but down if you're using twitter.

[DaTruth]

Why do developers keep responding to stupid online nobody critics, trolls and fanboys craving attention over the net? They are giving them exactly what they're looking for!

They always give this stupid platform to the vocal minority and since it works it will never stop! Ever notice how no matter how awesome something is, there's always one or two stupid dudes trolling by putting it down

The reason they do it is because nobody will talk to them otherwise and now they have successful videogame devs talking to them, when there's no chance of this happening otherwise!

[Tru_Blu]

Ya I agree. I hadn't saw the ps3 version in question until I just watched it on that site. I don't know what anyone is complaing about, looked really good to me.

[darksied]

@RememberThe357

Oh man, why can't we do what this guy says? How about a 70% crap rate more than once (2 separate articles) means the site is perma-banned? That would be awesome.

[Army_of_Darkness]

I won't lie.. On pc it looks amazing, but when i see it on consoles it looks like your typical military fps...

[HardCover]

It may look typical but it sure as shit won't play typical

[Lifendz]

He also said this: "I love talking directly to gamers, but too many troll journalists out there so think I’ll have to shut up about #bf3 details for now, bye."

Couldn't agree more with that. We have way too many troll journalists looking for hits. Even last week when that PR firm made the statements about some people being malicious in their reviews of DKF which, for some reason, prompted all game reviewers to act as if he was talking about them directly. If you listen to podcasts you heard all those guys bishing as if he said the media as a whole was being unfair to his game.

Enough already. These guys have to stop twisting things around to make something out of nothing.

[Oschino1907]

My main gripe with this game and the reason I may not buy it is.... I will feel totally ripped off buying it for console, I mean come one. We will be paying the same as PC players but getting a watered down version with not as much content or performance.... SO WHY IS IT WE ARE PAYING THE SAME PRICE AGAIN?

I just feel like PC is getting this totally awesome game which is mostly funded by CONSOLE gamers, so why do we get the short end of the stick and being told to just accept and deal with it... Console has supoported the franchise for the last couple of titles they have released now, selling well over 2:1 compared to PC, but atleast the games werent very different and only a few things missing compared to PC. Now they are going above and beyond with the the epicness and we console players are gona be left to pick up the check buying millions of watered down copies for console to support the PC crowd. If anything I think its good people call them out because many still dont realize the vast differences that there will be between both console and PC, sure hardcore gamers or those on forums all day will know but not the average consumer/casual console player especially if they were never into the BF franchise before.

Now I am not saying the game will suck or anything. It will still be a good game and knock COD on its ASS but I just cant in my right mind support a company when I personally feel like I am getting ripped off. Maybe if it ends up $40 or something, I will be all over it then, but I doubt anything like that would happen. Tired of being someone that helps to support all the crying whiny PC elitist that feel entitled to everything and that in their "words" are somehow better gamers overall by default... If they want such a huge epic game why dont they go out and buy enough copies to support the franchise instead of relying on the people they bash daily who fork out the money to support the franchise. Console is gonna be paying for all the goodies PC gets over them. We all pay the same but we (console players) buy many more copies and get less of a game while being told to be happy about it... Sorry but no, I am not happy about that at all... Either make the game cheaper or make a whole nother game for console, dont COD us and bullshit straight to our face about how its fair and equal if you just look at it from their view, which is the money and profits point of view... Not supporting it! Not as of now, maybe if they sweetin the deal for us console players but I doubt that would happen..

[Oschino1907]

@Digital Raptor

Still waiting to get an answer as to why its OK that we PAY THE SAME EXACT PRICE. NO reason PC should get so much more and still be the same price as console...
Its like buying two of the "same" cars, having the same names and prices but one is a bare bones base car while the other has upgraded cosmetics, performance and features. Why would you pay the same price for the bare bones car becuase its all you can afford to maintain while someone else gets a top of the line performance machine with all the bells and whistles just because they can afford to maintain it...

Game will be great, not questioning that, just questioning the reason behind why they think its cool to charge the same for both VERSIONS of the game. They could always drop the price for console or throw us some extra worth while features that PC wont have to even things up a bit. I would be happy with that and actually WANT to give them my money, but as of now I am finding it hard to come up for reasons why I SHOULD give them my money.

[Lich120]

osch,

Its the same damn game. They aren't doing more for the PC, the PC is just capable of doing more. I don't know what you think making a game is like but Im fairly certain whatever impression you have is completely wrong. They aren't spending more time making the PC version, quiet likely they're spending less time actually since it requires less optimization and fine tuning to get running excellently.

[BlackKnight]

@Oschino1907

The only thing you are missing out on console is 64 players and Cutting edge graphics and 60FPS/3D/120FPS/Multi-display. You still get the BF2 maps and the same DLCs, everything.

You can't have cutting edge graphics on consoles. They are 5(PS3)to 6(360) year old machines. Optimizing a game gives SOME performance and graphics upgrades, but no where NEAR what having DX11 and 2011 CPU's and GPUs, etc.

KZ3, uncharted2/3 and God of war run at 720P and at 30 FPS (God of war FPS is unlocked, can fluctuate above 30FPS) and those 3 games are on a MUCH smaller scale (Uncharted 2's largest MP map is MAYBE half the size of the smallest BC2 map, White Pass), less players online, no vehicles besides KZ3 mechs. Halo Reach runs at 30 FPS, 700P and has large open areas (still only a fraction of BF3 size maps) and Gears of War map sizes are similar to Uncharted.

NONE of the above games come even CLOSE to the amount of destruction BF3 offers.

Graphics are limited first by the hardware, then the developer, its not the other way around.

You want to know why I play my PC more than ever now instead of my xbox and PS3? Because I hate paying 60 dollars for a new game (especially multiplat) that is almost always 10 dollars cheaper on PC, looks worse than even a low end gaming PC, runs at half the framerate (most games are 30fps on console), dealing with a higher amount of immature players on console, custom content/mods on many PC games, no worry about a "service" to go down like XBL/PSN, and even though exclusive games look great, it is still relative, once you compare to PC they are average.

It's not like buying a car, there are two purchases. If all you own is a camp fire and a piece of metal, you can't complain about a pancake mix costing you the same money as someone with an electric stove. No matter how much they work on making that that pancake mix good, you still have to cook the damn thing with an out-of-date campfire and slab of steel.

[pixelsword]

@ blackknight:

As far as 64 players, MAG sez hai.

As far as

"Cutting edge graphics and 60FPS/3D/120FPS/Multi-display& amp; quot;

Sony just announced a television which will take one monitor and split the channel so that two players will appear to play with their own monitor, so although I don't know what the fps will be for those games on that set, but since Lair was 1080p and a (wobbly) 60fps in 2007, I'm sure that sooner or later someone else may be able to match a five-year-old game... or else re-hire the Factor 5 crew and make the best darn-tootin' games this side of HAL-9000.

[Lich120]

@pixel

Mag may have had massive multiplayer but its graphics were not even close to the level of BF3. Its a give and take. Sure you can have 256 people running around, but not at the same fidelity of 24 players.

[BlackKnight]

@pixelsword

Yes, Mag does say hi:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

Blurry, low res, no HDR, small view distance, no destruction, No realtime lighting beyond characters and STILL maps smaller than even BC2.

Lol, lair? Really? That game was a mess graphically, controls and gameplay. 1080P and 60FPS is nothing when your texture resolution on everything is practically n64 level. Only the dragon and certain enemies looked decent.

KZ3 in 3D runs at 640x716 BARELY at 30FPS, that's almost PS2/Xbox 1 resolution. Not only that, the smoke effects, explosions, dust, etc when in 2D are rendered at 640x360 (again, in 2D!), but go to 3D, and now it runs at a measly 320x360!

2D:
http://images.eurogamer.net...

3D:
http://images.eurogamer.net...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

GG is supported by Sony, has already made 2 PS3 exclusive games, and you think some magic dev will come along and make a game that has 3D and 1080P and 60FPS? Even 720P and 30FPS in 3D and graphics similar to 2D KZ2 or UC2 just cannot be done on the PS3.

[pixelsword]

@ Lich120:

Erm, That's probably why I said

"As far as 64 players, MAG sez hai"

I didn't say it had this or that in terms of resolution, I only mentioned the number of players. And MAG still has a 1up on the PC because there's not a game as of yet that does 256 with the level of graphics that MAG has, so it's not bad for it being not so great.

@ BlackKnight:

You're basing my point on past articles, I'm basing my point on a television that's not out yet.

You see the problem with your point?

[pixelsword]

Also @ DarkKnight:

http://www.strategyinformer...

a little different when you use actual HD screenshots.

deceive moar.

[Lich120]

@pixel

Right, but as I mentioned player count is based on graphics capabilities. No one is saying massive player counts isn't possible on consoles, mag proved that. All people are saying (the devs) is that 64 players with the graphics of BF3 is not possible on consoles. I for one, believe them and do not think they're being lazy about anything.

[BubbleSniper]

Looks like examiner needs to examine themselves.

now we caught examiner with proof, trying to skew words for hits.

“I love talking directly to gamers, but too many troll journalists out there so think I’ll have to shut up about #bf3 details for now, bye.”

THANKS A LOT EXAMINER.

[news4geeks]

The guy who wrote the examiner article, Jon Ireson, hangs around n4g if the pic is anything to go by. Show yourself Jon and give us all an apology :)

edit: there he is down in comment #10

[Spitfire_Riggz]

Honestly though I think they should have expected this controversy. They put it on themselves showing all PC footage for a loooong time, especially when casual gamers probably didnt know any better.

[Cerberus29]

I somewhat agree, but at the same time I don't see why people are bitching about the console version. It may not look as graphically good as the pc version but that in no way means it looks bad.

[Headshot81]

The console footage looked great, Journalist are being pricks, and people are bitching because it doesn't look like the pc version really have no reason to bitch. Oh and it's not just ps3 gamers, 360 gamers also watched it and bitched, since i saw the footage on my tv and i have a 360 and a tweeter account, i was just curious to see how it looked. Dice is doing a good job and all of you guys bitching shut the hell up.

[Thatguy-310]

BF 3 is getting a bad image out of all the controversy that has been happening lately...ohhh well there goes it's chances in dethroning COD lol

[Cerberus29]

I can't say I blame the guy, he tries to do something cool by talking to the fans on a daily basis and all he get in return is a bunch of bitching and whining. And he's probably right, most of it probably are trolling journalist lookin to create some bullshit story (like half the BF3 stories here on N4G)

Can't wait to play BF3!

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

Am i the only one who thinks the ps3 footage looks really really good?...i mean why are people complaining?? i looks a lot better than bc2 imo.

[CryofSilence]

Humiliation for Examiner. Good. BF3 is a good looking game. Quit whining. It's pre-alpha.

[dafada]

finally...i hate it when people start shit over nothing. I'm a ps3 gamer and i thought the game looked great. Obviously it's not going to be as good as the pc and only a select few retard were whining about that but everyone started grouping all ps3 gamers together and saying we all thought that which is BS. The game looks better than every multiplat out there and better than a lot of exclusives and it'll certainly look better than another shooter coming out around the same time......

[stevenhiggster]

You know what, the worst of this is? The fact that I haven't actually seen any PS3 "fanboys" complaining about BF3. Most agree that while it certainly doesn't look quite as good as the PC version, it still looks awesome! It seems to me that all I've seen is bs articles from no name sites saying that PS3 gamers are not happy, when most of us are perfectly happy!
No one except idiots expected the console versions to look as good as the PC version. And why would any PS3 gamers complain about it being 720p 30fps, unless again they are idiots. I actually can't believe the flack DICE are taking over this. I say good job DICE, I can't wait to get my hands on the game, on my PS3.

[DanSolo]

I think DICE are perhaps worrying a little bit too much about what a vocal minority are saying.... Just looking at Kon's comment at the top here sums it up..... 107 agrees to just 8 disagrees....

MOST people think BF3 looks good.... why would DICE waste their time worrying about what a few little nob-heads think?

That is like going to a party of supermodels and 9 out of 10 of them are coming on to you (something that happens to me regularly), and instead of enjoying the 9 out of 10 that like you.... you spend the night worrying about the 1 out of 10 who don't....

DICE should be soo busy tapping the supermodels who want them that they couldn't care less about the ones who don't (who are quite obviously lesbians anyway)

[snipes101]

Big up on this guy for stomping this flaming crap out. I don't think DICE owes anyone anything. They have put out consistently quality games for the entirety of their career. They don't have to prove ANYTHING to these hit whore journalists, let alone the whiny fanboys.

[gameguidedog]

Both the live demonstration on Fallon and the stuff we saw at E3, to the gameplay footage posted since the event, to see how it's playing on consoles warrants absolutely no negative feedback in comparison to PC gameplay and basically those would be journalists, (rather trolls) are just looking for attention by bashing a decent product. If they don't like the game itself that's one thing, but to claim it falls under par on a particular system is ludicrous. http://www.gameguidedog.com

[Sano64]

@ Oschino1907
Console gamers pay more for their games because Nintendo, Sony,and Microsoft charge royalties to put games on their platform.

[nopunctuation]

“I love talking directly to gamers, but too many troll journalists out there so think I’ll have to shut up about #bf3 details for now, bye.”

This is why we cant have nice things. Whenever devs talk to us and give logical explanations, journalists twist their words and make it worse than it is.

[BubbleSniper]

+1 for like-minded

[Dude420]

I know this isn't related to DICE, but the exact same thing happens to Cliff B. The journalists twists the guys words so much that some people think he's a douche, when he really isn't. There were a few times where he had to call out those stupid journalists.

[nopunctuation]

No Cliffy B is pretty much a douche. Look to his quotes that bash Metal Gear Solid and others for proof.
“Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing. Passive entertainment is on its way out.”
"Heavy Rain is for girls."

There are plenty more where that came from.

[Dude420]

"There are plenty more where that came from. "

Like what? The famous quote where he said "naughty dog you're going down", oh right it was just a joke. Idiot journalism.

Oh yes and also "Bulletstorm was meant to f*** with killzone 3", oh right that was a joke too. Cliffy loves KZ3, then there was a controversy about him buying KZ3. Again Idiot Journalism.

What about the "Japan can't keep up with US video games tech". Turns out, that really wasn't what he meant. Here's a link.

http://www.gamerevolution.c...

Ding ding ding Idiot Journalism Strike 3!

I'm sorry, but where is the full interview on MGS4? Perhaps the journalists actually misquoted him on that too? How do we know if that's what he actually meant. If you look in the article I've provided, Cliff says "There are plenty of existing and upcoming Japanese titles that look amazing. I have nothing but the utmost respect for those devs."

Sorry, but those selective quotes you have gotten from those articles aren't 100% proof he's a douche. Btw, didn't he also praise Heavy Rain?

Oh hey, let me fix that Heavy Rain quote for you. "Girls would love Heavy Rain."

[nopunctuation]

Ok so you single handedly proved Cliffy is a schizophrenic. That is in fact more douche behavoir than I showed you because saying something like "Japan tech sucks" or "Metal Gear is passive entertainment" then saying "nah I was kidding lol" just makes it worse. If you want to avoid douche accusations then maybe you shouldnt say it in the first place.

[Dude420]

I think the point of my post completely went over your head. For the japan tech quote, he probably said something about japan tech, but not the way the article describes which is why he called it out.

Same thing for the MGS4 quote, I don't see any full interview with that comment. He could of meant something else and those so called professional journalists use selective quoting to make what he said worse than it is.

I just proved to you how journalism do shit like this to get hits on their site. If anything, these professional journalists are the douches here. This isn't the first time it has happened and Cliff B. is not the first one.

If you still choose to listen to idiot journalism and judge a person that way, then hey, I guess more power to you.

Edit: Oh and hey, I don't think he has schizophrenia when he says "Naughty Dog, you're going down" in front of the devs themselves, who clearly knew he was joking.

[Spydiggity]

journalists?

now anybody in their mom's basement with an iPhone/Droid is a journalist.

[QuodEratDemonstrandm]

Have you ever written an entire article on a droid? I can post comments from mine (like this one) but I will wait until I can get to a computer to write an article or a blog.

[Fishy Fingers]

Douchebag websites shooting themselves in the foot. Good work.

[Dannehkins]

Some journalists are such idiots. Jesus Christ, they'll do anything for a few hits and it grinds my gears when this flamin' site approves their articles.

Point me out to these bloody PS3 owners complaining, because all I am seeing is praise from the likes of PS3 owners on this site and the EU PlayStation Forum (official). DICE have also demonstrated that they are working just as closely with the Xbox 360 with their lighting solutions and so overall, DICE deserve nothing but praise.

I read that article on Examiner. The author is one hell of an idiot and you could tell just by reading the title.

We get a rare opportunity for a dev to be responding to peoples' questions and you get some toss pot messing it all up. Well congratulations...

[mastiffchild]

Exactly. Thing is, we're led to belive, by a few members of this community, that N4G is hiome to all the worst and most rabid PS3 fanboys in the known World yet even here I've seen next to nobody complaining that the PS3 version wasn't up to snuff and NOBODY EVER saying it should or could be as good as the top PC settings. NEVER seen it said by ANYONE.

I've seen plenty of people condemning those who supposedly said it but, again, I've yet to see an actual member who thinks Dice should have the PS3 version running as well as the PC. It's a lot of BS backed up by the words of a scant handful and we cannot be sure they're even saying it in honesty or want to portray S3 owners as delusional for their own reasons. Don't doubt that the odd delusional idiot has slipped past my radar(I'm not really looking for them 24/7)but hen the numbers are so small do they deserve ANY attention let alone being allowed to colour the wider perception of a platform's general population?

Whoever pushed this guy to stop posting directly to us on Twitter has done us all a bad disservice and needs a bit of a cyber slap. Pretty much every gamer I know who cares or talks about BF3 thinks Dice have and will do great job on each platform. why would we think otherwise? I might think the preorder incentives are shitty but my perception of the job Dice are doing is not lessened by marketing nonsense which is ALL there is to slur their work currently and very few people ever said otherwise t begin with. Amazing legs on such a non story which shows just how easily half truths and lies can roll around as fact on the web without ANYTHING supporting them and nearly everything else pointing to9 their false nature.

[Dannehkins]

Nicely said.

It just goes to show how the internet can turn such a tiny thing into this massive, exaggerated mess that has resulted in one of the devs halting his replies to peoples' questions and queries.

I share your disappointment with this.

[QuodEratDemonstrandm]

Are we even 100% certain that Dice decides the preorder DLC? That could be EA.
It could be the devs that have decision making authority over what the preorders get, I just want to be sure.

[mcsm]

I agree i just don't see these complainers seems like a minority with some agenda trying to stir up trouble , the people at dice needs to stop paying attention to these people.

[MachoMoustachio]

I don't care about Battlefield 3 at all.
I care about Modern Warfare 3 only ever so slightly.

I'm over realistic shooters.

Bring me Resistance 3.

[rezzah]

MW is realistic?

[radphil]

No I think he meant he's done WITH realistic shooters.

[slampunk]

Let me be the first to tell you.... Resistance 3 will be average at best. ok single player & crappy online.....R2 was a horrible mess online....

[Lich120]

Cool story bro.

[beast242tru]

cheers my bredren you should have done that from the start

[OC_MurphysLaw]

So sad that a developer has to stop tweeting thanks to D-bags like: Hitman0769 on N4G who is the actual examiner journalist ( I use that term lightly ) that made that craptastic POS article. http://n4g.com/news/790538/... and seen here at examiner: https://www.examiner.com/fp...

I think we all should thank said journalist properly...

[death2smoochie]

Hitman0769
Should be banned from this site

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

I should have hitman banned from Examiner since I work there as well. His article was flamebait to begin with.

[Raven_Nomad]

I think it's safe to say Dice has lost a lot of support from the hard core console supporters. Personally I was never interested in BF3, but the 30 FPS and some of the lies EA spouted while trying to prove that BF3 was the superior FPS have turned me totally against the game.

[dragonelite]

What dice never said console would 60 fps.
Hell all this info was on the internet before this twitter non sense started.

[Raven_Nomad]

They were clearly trying to dupe people and trying to build hype for their game yes? They decided to show some footage on a maxed out PC and get peoples attention.

It's less then six months to it's release and we've seen a few minutes of PS3 footage, NO 360 footage and were supposed to believe everything is going to be fine?

There new high tech, "AMAZING" Frostbite 2.0 engine cant even run 60 FPS. It's kind of lame to say the least.

I am not saying it will be a horrible game, because the Battlefield games are always okay, but it's not the COD killer or anything like that.

Also, even though all companies are out for money and can lie, EA and Dice have stepped the BS meter up lately.

[PhantomT1412]

@Raven_Nomad

Wow, you CoD fanboy don't know anything about gaming tech do you? How would you expect a 720p native rez game with real-time calculated destructible environment, huge scale, vehicles and cutting edge visual quality to run at 60 FPS? The consoles of this gen are so old that making the game run at 60 FPS alone would cut down all of these features.

Why Call of Duty can do it? Because it has a native resolution of 1024x600 which isn't even HD to say the least. I'm gonna be fair, it's their design choice so they have (almost) nothing to blame for their stagnant graphics, CoD developers are also victims of the limited capabilities of current-gen consoles.

We're also at less than six months from Call of Duty release, and what we've only seen so far is the game running on X360 (which has always been the case). But no, you don't b*tch about it when it comes to CoD do you?

After all the let down of multiplatform developers on PC games (including Infinity Ward) while all the technical potentials lied there, DICE is doing justice by showing PC first. If you really expected a console game to look that good, cleary you're the stupid one, not EA or DICE deceiving or any BS like that.

[HaVoK308]

@PhantomT1412

How dare you! How dare you utilize commonsense and rational thinking to make sense of all this bullshit. This will not fly here at N4G!! You been warned!

[death2smoochie]

@Raven_Nomad

"There new high tech, "AMAZING" Frostbite 2.0 engine cant even run 60 FPS. It's kind of lame to say the least."

Name me just ONE Console game on the Xbox360 or PS3 that looks like BF3's PS3 version that is rendering all that the Frostbite 2.0 engine is doing at 30fps?
I am waiting....good luck with that...

If you are the select few that actually think that these consoles can run BF3 like a PC at 60fps in 1080p then there is nothing else I can say to you but......

[Jack-Dangerously]

If you have no interest then shut your mouth.

[Bathyj]

Well there you have it.

As much as people have been saying PS3 fanboy were complaining, I didnt believe it. I simply havent seen them in any great number bad mouthing the footage.

What I have seen is upset Xbox fanboys, (like we all know you are) beat this up into something its not and trying to make a big deal out of it.

"I think it's safe to say Dice has lost a lot of support from the hard core console supporters."

There he goes, acting like he represents us, pretending he speaks for the majority. Making out like he was hoping the PS3 version would be so much more, when all he ever does is run PS3 down.

And while it seems I'm picking on you, I'm not. You just caught my eye as the perfect example of the whinny type of self entitlement that crawls through the net everywhere, be they amateur hacks like yourself, or alleged "professional journalist" like the type Johan Andersson hates so much, he cant even tweet and talk directly to fans anymore.

[Jonah_Reese]

Funny how ignorance can turn something so small into controversy. Andersson seems like a very respectable guy and a dev that respects all platforms, people are just so dumb.

[NovusTerminus]

*Claps*

Good job fanboy's and Examiner, you can silenced the studio due to the bullshit whining you have been doing.

[PhantomT1412]

It took me some time to consider the PS3 footage on Jimmy Fallon as good. I can't say that I wasn't disappointed with it while not expecting a quality matching to PC (well, I must admit though I thought we would not see that much difference on website vids, just some lesser effects).
But I think the TV quality didn't do justice, and I would really like to see a gameplay footage directly from DICE.

Furthermore, after what they've accomplished on Bad Company 2, we can only trust them:
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

I will play it on PC, but I truly hope the game will also look the best on consoles. If you can't trust my sincerity, I'll give you a reason that would benefit the PC gaming: if DICE prove with BF3 that a PC-lead multiplatform game can be ported to consoles while having the best graphics, that would encourage other developers to follow in their footsteps. And I'm sure DICE will keep that way until the next generation of consoles.

Go DICE! Release an outstanding Battlefield 3 on every platform! And I'm already eager to see a Mirror's Edge 2 lead developed on PC with Frostbite 2.0.

[Tyre]

DICE didn't do anything to deserve this, they are 1 of the best developers out there, some journalist and gamers need to wake up and realize how hard it is to develop these games and rethink their premature negative attitude towards developers and show more appreciation for these hard working talented artists. Everybody can be a journalist these days and act like a douchbag, making games like DICE not so much. Have some decency and be less saturated with the negative deconstruction, it's what losers do. There's no magic in a breakdown, baby.

[Tru_Ray]

Excellent post! I agree that these gaming "journalists" have an inflated sense of importance to the industry. As gamers, we just want to play awesome games and we are more than capable of forming our own opinions. I don't need some jaded journalist telling me that the story line is unoriginal or the game has "too much variety" to inform my purchase. Just give me the facts, please!

[BigPenguin]

@tru_ray

Thank god someone still remembers that bullshit R&C review. Journalists are not what game reviewers are, they are hype men, who merely give scores based on the will of the parent company (usually persuaded by advertising). We have seen real journalists fired from major sites due to actually having the gall to review games based upon the games merits (seriously, how can anyone go to gamespot after the kane and lynch mess).

[Grimhammer00]

Screw them both! LOL Get Bodycount in August! Codies make great games 95% of the time!

ok....I'll get both BF3 & Mw3 too. lol

[StayStatic]

Well played DICE , stupid journalists blowing things out of proportion ...

[HaVoK308]

So you refer to people who write about games for a living Journalist? Interesting. Nothing more then click seekers who rely on the ignorance of fanboys to fuel their advertising dollars.

[telekineticmantis]

at the troll journalists.

I told you all to stop giving these industry jokes hits.

[Tripl3seis]

some people just cant be satisfied seriously these consoles are 6 years old thats basically old hardware dice is doing what they can with both consoles the frosbite 2.0 engine was built with pc in mind so if u want to play the best version of the game get a pc that can run it now im getting it on the ps3 and it looked great to me all i have to say is this day 1.

[xVeZx]

show more console gameplay thats not off screen so all these haters can STFU

[Ness-Psi]

I just watched this video again and for the life of me cant see what's wrong with it, what are these people complaining about honestly its ridiculous.

the game looks awesome.

[ATiElite]

I'm glad PS3 gamers and Troll Journalist are complaing.

Hopefully DICE will never make another console game again. Stay on the PC DICE where real gamers appreciate your hard work.

99% of the people complaining have never even play BF2. The BF3 PS3 graphics looked good for an old ass machine.

[zero_gamer]

I love PC gaming and all, but this is business. What is wrong with catering to console gamers to expand your audience? A business should go where the money is at.

[jony_dols]

@ATiElite: Don't be such an idiot.

I have been playing Battlefield games since BF 1942,
however I (personally) grew tired of updating my PC hardware after Bad Company 2 ran sluggishly on my old girl, and instead I have opted for the more convenient console option.

Battlefield 3 will sell in the millions on both the PS3 & Xbox, and only a minuscule proportion of gamers (a few hundred out of potential millions is not exactly representative of the majority) have complained about the graphical fidelity of the PS3 version.

If it wasn't for the inevitable console sales of BF3, EA would have never have given DICE the budget to achieve the high-end production values and amazing graphics on the PC (albeit only for a lucky few who can splash out on expensive DX11 hardware).

[ATiElite]

actually it was the success of BF2 and the huge community still playing 6 years after it's release that brought us to today's BF3 masterpiece. Plus BC2 PC sold more than the PS3 or 360 version. Google it.

Ppl say they hate upgrading a PC but are willing to buy a new console every 4 years and even buy a new console when the one they just had Burns up. Besides if you want the new tech today you gotta upgrade.

you only technically have to upgrade with each new DX version. even then it's your choice.

Oh and DX11 hardware is not expensive. $79 for an entry level card.

Lastly if your on a severe budget, you can still PC Game for $300, so NO EXCUSE or LAME urban legends about PC Gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Enjoy

[Petro]

@ATiElite

You do know that not one entry level DirectX 11 graphics card can run games perfectly on DirectX 11, you should know this. I have been PC nerd since my SVI MSX times and I know my hardware, also have electrician background and I have worked at computer store's repair department 8 years ago. I recently bought new computer and I must say I wasted somewhere around 1100 € on it. Powerful computers are not cheap! Also this computer is for 3D, texturing, rendering and other work related stuff.

[jony_dols]

'actually it was the success of BF2 and the huge community still playing 6 years after it's release that brought us to today's BF3 masterpiece.

I still play BF2 to this day (actually I have the Project Reality mod installed), you however are a deluded idiot. I'm a massive fan of the series.

'Plus BC2 PC sold more than the PS3 or 360 version. Google it.'

Ok, please link me to a reputable site or an official statement issued by DICE or EA, which states that the PC version outsold it's console counterparts.

'Oh and DX11 hardware is not expensive. $79 for an entry level card.'

ahahahah for a guy who claims to be a self respecting PC elitist, you should know that any self respecting gamer would not even touch an entry level $79 card. That thing wouldn't even stutter through the opening credits of BF3 without crashing out on you. Just because it supports DX11 doesn't mean it will run it.

[orange-skittle]

Thank you for pointing that out. Please remember that EA themselves have stated that they were dumping a lot of money into BF3 because they wanted a CoD Killer and DICE was the only company that could possibly do it because BF already had the engine and audience to do it. They were hoping that MoH's cult following could do it, but we saw what happened there. BF is the only shooter that gives you that experience of a real war going on and being a part of it is intense. It's the closest to arcade/simulation as you can get. CoD is meant to be arcade-like when BF is more tactical w/o the simulation aspect.

[Baka-akaB]

keep kidding yourself , most ps3 owners dont even know there is a controversity about the game's graphics .

[Ser]

Cry me a river with that "real gamers appreciate your hard work on PC" nonsense.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing that. I've been gaming with Battlefield since BF1942, and I cannot stand how PC elitists treat console gamers.

DICE loves their money, no matter where it comes from. Be it from PC elitists or console fanboys. In the end, none of it matters because the cash is in their hands.

I'll be purchasing BF3 on the PS3. I have a PC that's capable of running BF3 and then some, but I game on the PS3 because that's where my buds are. I'm one of the most diehard Battlefield fans on the planet, I've owned every single game. (Excluding Battlefield: Modern Combat for the PS2.)

These fanboy comments aren't doing anyone any good.

[Petro]

It's you trolling again. No PlayStation gamer was complaining it was the troll journalists! Oh and care to show me source of your supposed information on Bad Company 2 PC sales?

I found this:
PC: 620 000
PS3: 2 280 000
XBOX: 2 920 000

[speeder88]

There can't be numbers on pc because Steam never gave the the numbers of how many times they sold it. All other download sites won't either. g2play, d2d, oks, you name it.

[caboose32]

Thats only retail, and retail is MUCH less than half the sales for pc.

It would be helpful on your behalf if you actually take the time to learn the facts next time, instead of just posting stuff that you find.

And yes, there were plenty of ps3 gamers complaining, but mostly just the irrational ones.

[Petro]

How can anyone then say that Bad Company 2 sold more on PC than on the consoles when we don't even got the numbers it sold? As long as I wont get any better or more accurate number I'm going by that 620 000.

According to some study, last year digital game sales weren't as big as retail. So by that logic we couldn't even double that PC number. Some other studies said that by estimate 30-50% of game sales are digital on PC.

Also found a mention that digital copies made $31 million in revenue. And like by funny accident when 31 000 000 is divided by 620 000 we get 50 (price of new game on steam) so by that very rough calculation PC sales are somewhere around-over 1 million.

[RandomDude655]

What controversy? Oh I get it....the media is making up bullshit again. What a joke you guys are

[zero_cool]

The problem is bringing up platforms period because it just sparks controversy when this should be a discussion about battlefield 3 only.

[HaVoK308]

DICE and EA have been beating their chest with arrogance about BF3 for awhile now. They made their own bed. Now all the positive hype has turned to negative. Between the bullshit exclusive pre-order MP DLC, 30FPS, sub 1080p, ect. the trolls have pounced and will not let up. EA has learned nothing since Dragon Age 2. BF3 will end up with a user Metacritic score of 3.2 when it's all said and done.

Make a great game
Allow all customers access to its content when they pay $60
No disc locked DLC
Give respect to gamers across all platforms
And for the love of god...keep your mouths shut

Everyone wins. Too easy...I know.

[death2smoochie]

Sub 1080p???

What the hell is that???
And are you one of the few like Hitman that actually think these aging consoles can run a game like BF3 like the PC can in 1080p at 60 frames per second?

Hold a sec... http://pokato.net/demot/201...

[kevnb]

this is what happens when they actually market the pc version correctly, its been like this all along... 30 fps or less, 720p or less, thats this gen of consoles.

[Truth]

I tweeted Johan and said I was very impressed with the footage and like every BF game since 1942 I will be supporting their studio by getting BF3.

[Ethereal]

I am with you DICE every step of the way. If you are reading this the real fans are already impressed and will continue to be as you optimize the game for consoles. Keep up the good work and can't wait to see you on the battlefield this Oct!

[bobtheimpaler]

I mainly game on my PS3 but will be getting this for PC. I decided this long before any PS3 footage was shown.

That said, the game looks fantastic on the PS3 and I don't understand why people are being so vocal about the visual differences, which are small in the grand scheme of things. I mean, it definitely kicks the hell out of any COD game.

I reckon people should drop KZ3 for BF3. Hopefully then KZ4 will be a proper KZ game again.

[gijsbrecht]

People shouldn't do anything you say; let them make up their own minds

[kevnb]

the media loves the con$oles and their ridiculous spending to them for marketing. Its no secret microsoft and sony spend tons of money to make sure we think these consoles are uber powerful even compared to a high end pc.

[Petro]

Nobody thinks that consoles are more powerful or equally as powerful as a PC. Please stop that already. And show me where this marketing material is that is supposed to show how "consoles are uber powerful even compared to a high end pc".

[kevnb]

People do, and also think games only look a bit better on pc. In my downtime at work I game on my laptop, and no matter which game I play I get comments about how much better it looks on pc from surprised console gamers. Consoles offer simplicity but take so much away in doing so, but the everything just works factor is exactly what many are after... just look.at apple products...

[yamzilla]

kevnb,

with you 100%

the best part is, PC gaming kicks consoles ass constantly and without remorse
EVERY
FREAKING
GAME

I love how with this game it's turned into some media blitz

NEWSFLASH!!!
99% of console games this gen have been 720p or sub-hd, with jaggies on the screen, screen tear, pop-in, and 20-30 frames per second.

What on earth made anyone think BF3 would be different?

Are DICE the magical hardware fairies that can sneak into your house at night and actually put a decent graphics card and more than a 2001 level of RAM in your toy for you while you sleep?

Get real, every game on console until the next gen will look bad standing next to a modern-mid-range pc.

All that said, for a console shooter, BF3 is by far, BY FAR, the best looking one i have ever seen.

[WetN00dle69]

I for one dont see anything wrong. I mean The PC will be the complete package, PS3 will see close to PC graphics and MAYBE more players in the multiplayer area AND that badass AA that the system does. And the 360 will get a new lighting technique. Each version of BF will have something to offer for everyone. So why is everyone b*tching?

[artdafoo]

Quote:

“I love talking directly to gamers, but too many troll journalists out there "

Lol, That's at least 75% of the schmucks who post stuff on N4G.

[helghast102]

There shouldn't even be any "controversy".
Stupid kids.

[RedDead2067]

Dice should have shown straight gameplay footage instead of showing it off screen played by a TV host.

It would have looked much better. And they can control exactly what's shown, like all the PC footage so far.

There was a lot of anticipation for the console footage, the first video should have been the best they had.

[JellyJelly]

Journalists are getting out of hand. It almost feels as if Activision paid them to stir up a sh*tstorm.

[swice]

The author of the EXAMINER article is Comment #10, page one, his name is Hitman (comment is hidden because of "bad language")

[strickers]

I feel sorry for Dice in all this.They work their socks off to produce a stunning looking realistic shooter on all platforms and it gets thrown back in their face.
Some gamers need to learn some respect for the people that create the entertainment they supposedly love.
Spoilt little brats.

[oddman76]

If it even looks like bad company 2 on ps3 then Im happy Dice games all have a great look about them.

[Dynasty2021]

This is quite a sad day. DICE are the godfathers of gaming compared to other companies out there today.

And I dont care what CoD fanboys say, DICE have been making games since Infinity Ward were still sucking their mother's milk.

It's companies like DICE that command respect from the gaming community, so how dare any of you complain about their ability to make a console game.

PC will always be the better platform for games. END. OF. ARGUMENT. Next please.

Get over it. £700 worth of PC will destroy £200 worth of console EVERY TIME.

So shut up fellow console gamers. I COULD go out and get another high-end PC, but I love the simplicity and crash-free play of my PS3.

But I know Ive bought a Ford. If I wanted a car that drives like a Ferrari, but I bought a Ford, I should have bought a Ferrari. No shit?

I then dont complain that my Ford doesnt drive or perform like a Ferrari.

And now all your pathetic, uninformed, arrogant bitching about your own lack of money has pushed DICE to the brink.

BECAUSE THEY DONT DESERVE TO HEAR YOUR BITCHING.

[Oschino1907]

From the previous page...

My main gripe with this game and the reason I may not buy it is.... I will feel totally ripped off buying it for console, I mean come one. We will be paying the same as PC players but getting a watered down version with not as much content or performance.... SO WHY IS IT WE ARE PAYING THE SAME PRICE AGAIN?

I just feel like PC is getting this totally awesome game which is mostly funded by CONSOLE gamers, so why do we get the short end of the stick and being told to just accept and deal with it... Console has supoported the franchise for the last couple of titles they have released now, selling well over 2:1 compared to PC, but atleast the games werent very different and only a few things missing compared to PC. Now they are going above and beyond with the the epicness and we console players are gona be left to pick up the check buying millions of watered down copies for console to support the PC crowd. If anything I think its good people call them out because many still dont realize the vast differences that there will be between both console and PC, sure hardcore gamers or those on forums all day will know but not the average consumer/casual console player especially if they were never into the BF franchise before.

Now I am not saying the game will suck or anything. It will still be a good game and knock COD on its ASS but I just cant in my right mind support a company when I personally feel like I am getting ripped off. Maybe if it ends up $40 or something, I will be all over it then, but I doubt anything like that would happen. Tired of being someone that helps to support all the crying whiny PC elitist that feel entitled to everything and that in their "words" are somehow better gamers overall by default... If they want such a huge epic game why dont they go out and buy enough copies to support the franchise instead of relying on the people they bash daily who fork out the money to support the franchise. Console is gonna be paying for all the goodies PC gets over them. We all pay the same but we (console players) buy many more copies and get less of a game while being told to be happy about it... Sorry but no, I am not happy about that at all... Either make the game cheaper or make a whole nother game for console, dont COD us and bullshit straight to our face about how its fair and equal if you just look at it from their view, which is the money and profits point of view... Not supporting it! Not as of now, maybe if they sweetin the deal for us console players but I doubt that would happen..

[Gazondaily]

Well done you talent-less flame baiting troll journalists. See what you have done.

Now the PC crowd must absolutely HATE the console crowd and for good reason, even if it was the fault of a minority. Stone the idiots that caused this.

[hot111]

Who the fuck is approving these shitty "articles" from gameshit,exshit website.
What a looser,he should be ashamed.Pathetic websites.

[blakstarz]

I don't see what the problem is, the game looks great to me.

[BeastlyRig]

Wow! console fanboys gamers should complain about every multiplat then! This better looking than console thing has been going on on PC since 2007..

[thespaz]

He sounds like a whiny baby. Imagine if Sony had said this when people were raging over PSN being down? Sony kept things professional despite all the media rage.

By the way.. I don't get what all the commotion is about anyway because Battlefield 3 is NOT the Holy Grail of gaming. It looks okay, but I have a feeling it will go the way of Medal of Honor.

It'll be forgotten soon. How often do you hear about Crysis 2 now-a-days. That was all over the media a few months ago claiming to be the next thing since sliced bread in graphics (especially on console). Instead we got a sub-HD game with loads of bad framerates throughout.

Gotta say though... Uncharted 3 will surpass it all (in terms of impressive graphics, performance, cinematic effects and story).

[Netic]

AHAHHAHAHHA

Uncharted 3 will last 2 month in multiplayer and 1 week in single player...

Battlefield 3 will be played for years like BF:BC2 on PC, battlefield2, battlefield 1942

Oh and it will support mods on PC so yea the game will be way better than a scripted game like Uncharted. Don,t get me wrong Uncharted is a nice console game maybe the best with metal gear series but it won't last long like a pc focused game like battlefield.

I remember when i was playing uncharted 2 ... it lasted 2weeks after that went back to league of legends team fortress2, and battlefield bad company2

[thespaz]

Oh, since Uncharted 2 lasted for 2 weeks for you, means it only lasts 2 weeks for everyone?

I'm sorry, I didn't know that you set the standard for how long to play certain games.

Thanks for that, now I'm definitely not buying that crappy Uncharted 3 that will only last 2 weeks. Whew.

[Netic]

1.Well if you are taking more than 2 weeks to beat the game on hard difficulty well you have a problem

2.If you wish to get all trophies for the game well now all games have trophies/achievement

3.Uncharted isn't a elder scroll, fallout, GTA, REd dead redemption type of game so yea it last usually 2 weeks unless you play multiplayer

4. About multiplayer... well uncharted isn't a competitive multiplyaer game yet. I don't see any tournament of Uncharted or MLG uncharted multiplayer tournaments. I don't see youtube videos showing a skilled player playing Uncharted multiplayer and showing skills. It's what we call a standard console game with multiplayer which doesn't compete to K3 nor COD nor Halo. It's not a bad multiplayer but not an addictive or competitive one.

So yea 2 weeks single player game when someone is taking time.
And a 2month max multiplayer game

[mixelon]

The whole BF3 "controversy" is one of the stupidest things I've seen in gaming for a while. There should BE no controversy here!

People are so touchy. The only thing that people have any legit right to be slightly irked by IMO is the exclusive DLC.. But really how is that a big deal at all?

The PC version is rightfully above the others graphically, but isn't that always the case? Of course DICE were right to show off the lead platform. It looks great on consoles too. Sheesh.

[matey]

PS4 IS 4 WOMEN AND CASUALS GET OVER IT THE WIIU IS SO FAR THE MOST POWERFUL NEX-GEN CONSOLE AS ITS ALREADY 50% MORE POWERFUL/FASTER AND THERE NOT DONE YET PS4 IS SAID TO BE ABOUT EQUAL TO PS3 IN GRAPHICS WHAT A JOKE THE WIIU HAS ALREADY SHOWN GRAPHICS EQUAL TO PC IN ZELDA HD TECH AND THAT WAS EAR;Y HELL EVEN THE BIRD DEMO ON SHOW FLOOR WAS MANY TIMES BETTER THAN PS3 GRAPHICS SO MR ARMSTRONG THE VP OF SONY HAS ALREADY CONFIRMED THIS AND SAID I DONT THINK U WILL FIND MORE POWER IN PS4 JUST A SLIGHT UPGRADE THE WIIU IS ALREADY 50% FASTER IN NUMBERS AND 3/4 TIMES GRAPHICALLY BETTER THAN CURRENT HD CONSOLES SO THERE NINTENDO HAVE DONR IT RIGHT AS THE DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN SAYING GEARBOX/DICE ECT

[speeder88]

The capslock button is under your tab button and above your left-shift button.

[Goldenarmz]

why are ps3 fans such douches? they have to be the biggest whiners this Gen. Geezus. If you want top graphics buy a PC. They are giving us an awesome game be it PC, PS3 or 360 and people STILL aren't satisfied.

[BlackSharinganX]

how come theres no complain about MW3??hm even black ops didnt have complaints and that game was awful it wasnt even a game or pre alpha to say the most it was a pre baby, and MW3 looks pretty much like MW2 so why no complaints about that game? selling you the same shit over and over with all the 1080p and 60 fps, the game still lags as fuck no support on the game what so ever for updates?. i played MW1 up to BO MW1 still being the best on my opinion. So those who are bitching about BF3 are a bunch of idiots, the game is looking great it has vehicles has knife animations, has planes destructive building from we can tell, all tht with kick ass detail and graphics.

[LeonVesper]

Because the tried and true formula that IW is following is something that is expected to work and "work well" by both the journalist and the fans. It runs on the same engine and it runs with same expectations people have for the game.

Battlefield is taking a risk with new things, and with such, there will be those trolls who pick apart a pre-alpha, expecting gold and believing this current build is the final product.

[Tzuno]

husband and wife come home from the supermarket and the wife stops in the front of the door to get the keys to open the door while the husband with the shopping's in his hands stares at the ass of his wife and he says "my god woman you have developed an ass big like a washing machine". The woman looks angry at the man without talking to him. latter that night the husband tells to his wife that it would like to have sex with her and the woman tells to his husband "the wash machine has broken go wash it manually" and all of that was happening at 30FPS .

[_Q_]

The dude from Examiner isnt even a gamer. He's a snot nosed would be journalist that fell into a gaming column to get a job. He's a moron and often comes to stupid or just plain wrong conclusions. This dude is Pachter status for sure. Stop enabling his garbage and we wont have to read about him.

[contra157]

How do these noobs not realize that PC will always outgun handcuffed consoles

[bub16]

what a douche way to support ur own game....

[ndl1531]

i have been commenting on these bf3 articles for a while now and not once have i seen a ps3 fan talk negatively about it . they always say how good it looks and give props to dice . where are these angry ps3 fans foaming at the mouth angry cause it looks sooo bad ? im beginning to think that all this crap is being made up by some bitter people . i myself think the game looks outstanding and cant wait . keep up the good work dice :) ..........p.s...F**K ALL THE HATERS

[ILikeTurtles]

Lol all those whining console gamers warms my soul :3

[Angrymorgan]

I don't understand people who fuss so much about graphics, IMO if u want the best looking version of a game GET A PC, it's that simple. I'm a 360 gamer, and to be holnest, I can hardly see any difference between the pc an ps3 versions, they both look great, but if u can tell, and it really bothers you. Get a pc.

[bneals]

The real problem here is that some PS3 owners have bought into the Sony bs "your ps3 is a supercomputer" nonsense. I cant believe that a console owner couldn't undertand that a $2,000 computer (with a graphics card worth more than a ps3) couldn't out-perform a ps3. The ps3 is a beast, but it is no match for a moderately powered pc with a good graphics card. The pc has more ram and generally has more graphics based ram as well. That said, the ps3/360 versions are still a better bang for the buck because you are still getting a great game that can play on a $300 machine, instead of one in he $1,500 to $2,000 range.

[xtremegamerage]

yamzilla

Just got to ask you, were you saying this looks like crap and that looks like crap when you were playing BF2 on pc back in the day?

The reason i ask, is for a decent rez x2aa everything up high it still looks poor, low rez, characters low quality and you still needed 2gb ram.

Point i'm making is for 512mb ram, consoles put out some fuking awesome visuals.

I played BF2 to death and wanted more destruction back then, wanted to swim and use subs, plus move the actual ships around like earlier titles.

I'm playing through some titles i never got around playing.

RED FACTION is one of them, and the destruction in that game is mental.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...