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Carmack: Games consoles might be dead in a decade

id Software’s programming genius John Carmack thinks games consoles might die out in ten years, thanks to technological limitations and the rise of cloud computing.

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the_kutaragi_baka4717d ago ShowReplies(4)
VampiricDragon4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

then gaming will be over and done with as an industry. Its already going down at an alarming rate. Profits for the companies keep decreasing year over year

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bioware and bethesda deciding to dumb down there rpgs for the masses as nothing to do with this issue.

This is an issue were over 75 percent of all game sales are physical and your just wiping that out and expecting people to fall in line. They wont. I wont.

BeastlyRig4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

I have no problem with consoles but they are almost like a trend in a box!
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I hope sony never tries to forces motion control like M$ as ps3/pc are the only hardcore platforms left..

kwicksandz4717d ago

its ok $ony is too busy trying to force 3d down our throats. their motion control idea was just to tick a box.

Biggest4717d ago

PC has more 3D than the PS3. Not sure why I am telling you as if you actually care.

HappyGaming4716d ago

Does the PC have more games "built" with 3D in mind?

Or do almost all the games that were "built" in 2D run in 3D as well with Nvidia 3D Vision?

2v14717d ago

The next-generation will be here soon, in a couple of years."

So he is predicting 2 years?

I think there a few important factors to take into account...

Firstly, OnLive is already available and experimenting with "broadband" gaming over the internet. There are still lag issues eventhough OnLive's CEO admits that streaming and network lag detection algorithms are being continously worked on and "improved". The issue is that network congestion and internet "pipe-sharing" won't just go away, infact it could get worse as more and more people demand faster speeds.

Carmack my invisage a world where everything is "streamed" to the user, but there are limitations such as cost per megabyte of data, i.e. the dreaded data cap; and how many people want access to the same service in highly congested areas... especially if this takes into account cellular - let's face it, more and more people want to game on the go too, and this demand will only rise. As we all know, wireless cellular datacaps are even worse than physical fixed line datacaps...

It is conceivable that in 10 years time data costs will not be such an issue, but we don't know that for sure. I work in the Telecommunications field as a radio planning and optimisation consultant, and I can tell you, getting a cellular network to behave properly under heavy load is not easy... trust me on this :)

Carmack also speaks as if everyone will have access to the internet. A good majority of people will, but not everyone. There may also be individuals who want to play their gaming "offline", who are comfortable with the idea of remaining "off the grid" so to speak. What happens to them?

The cloud will become more important, but there are real security concerns to. Just look at the past 2 months, and see how many other websites and internet services were hacked to sh*t! The CIA's site went down yesterday thanks to Luzsec... its almost impossible to find these people. Sony also recently admitted they still have no clue who broke into PSN definatively.

I don't know, I get a funny feeling about this... c'mon, who wants all their gaming internet based and in the cloud?

BakedGoods4717d ago

30 years ago to say something like OnLive (hell even the internet for that matter) would exist would be ridiculous.

I appreciate you attempt at dismantling his argument, and for the most part I agree with you. Ultimately though, technology seems to move faster than most of us this is reasonably possible. I for one, would not be surprise to see cloud gaming as the inevitable future.

HappyGaming4716d ago

But don't companies like Virgin Media stream HD TV to millions of people in the UK over cable internet connections?

The Mb/s should be the same with an few addtional b/s to send controller information...

Why is it a problem if companies already stream tones of live footage already?

nickjkl4710d ago

idk about that ive had the same internet speed for like 7 years and my cost have not gone down but instead of went up

rabidpancakeburglar4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

This guy is a "programming genius"? He doesn't seem all that smart to me if he's making stupid predictions like this.

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I did read the article and I didn't agree with his reasoning. If you are willing to say to the gaming media that you think consoles "might" be dead in ten years then he is probably pretty sure. I don't believe that though.

Ducky4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Read the article first. He gave his reasoning.

Also, note that he said used the words: *might* be dead

wicko4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Clearly you don't know what "prediction" means, because the article I read had nothing to do with predictions, but speculation and thought provoking questions.

wallis4717d ago

Carmack is renowned for saying what he likes and when he likes. As you might guess the guy doesn't look like a real people person and he isn't, they had to give him a special exit from the Doom movie premier because they knew he'd be painfully frank about it.

He's simply speculating for a bit of fun and do you know what 2021 is going to look like? Microsoft just announced that windows 8 will feature xbox live in almost all of it's glory, they intend to have almost no barriers across their platforms and are even considering a subscription service that allows pc gamers to play 360 games. Consoles are inching closer and closer to the realm of being EXACTLY like pc's as it is. They're boxes with a gpu and a cpu and they hook up to a big screen. The only difference is corporate politics that give us exclusives and different controllers which with every iteration seem to be getting more and more fucking similar to each other.

I don't think this is a stupid prediction at all.

thtruth5744717d ago

consoles are here to stay because its a standardized platform. Every pc everywhere has different cpu, gpu, amount of ram and what have you and it would make for different experiences across the board. Plus you would have to worry about updating drivers and trying to get the game to work exactly right. Also, I think the quality of games would go down in regards to bugs and things since the pc has so much more resources to work with, they wouldnt go to the trouble of optimizing the game (because every pc has different specs) and a lot of the game would probably perform worse than a poor port from a console. It would make the programmers more lazy than they already are. Just my opinion.

JOHN_DOH4717d ago

I think the quality of games would be better. PC games have actually suffered in quality because of consoles. Let's be honest here, any pc you buy today(desktop) would be much faster than a console. It's not that big a deal to update a graphics driver and you don't have to do it for every game. Different hardware just adjust the resolution. I think it's better to be given options. Basically every 360 game is on the pc anyway and even epic, lionhead, etc. all came from pc games

evrfighter14717d ago

he's done more for the gaming industry than Kojima ever will...

just sayin

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perfectCarbonara4717d ago (Edited 4717d ago )

Well, Carmack, so could you, so kick back and have a beer.

SuperStrokey11234717d ago

well 2012 is coming so really we all might as well do that :)

MysticStrummer4717d ago

Highly doubtful. Will consoles change with the times and new tech like they have all along? Yes. Will they go away completely? I'd say no. The whole "Cloud" idea seems less and less desirable to me, given the rise in hacking incidents and the seemingly weak will that most companies and even governments show in fighting them.

ThatOneGuyThere4717d ago

cloud computing and game streaming will never catch on with the way ISPs are limiting monthly bandwidth caps. Such limits with also limit growth.

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Rage's Open World Was Intimate & Memorable, Not Another Huge, Empty Sandbox

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Here are Star Wars The Force Unleashed, Crysis 2, RAGE & Resident Evil 2 Remake with Ray Tracing

YouTube’s members ‘Digital Dreams’ and ‘Jose cangrejo’ have shared some videos, showcasing Pascal Gilcher’s Reshade mod – which adds Ray Tracing/Path Tracing effects – in some really old games such as Star Wars The Force Unleashed, Crysis 2, RAGE and Resident Evil 6.

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traumadisaster1789d ago

I'm still learning how to look for the differences. At first I was focusing on shadows for some reason but I don't think that changes much, is it reflections that change?

rashada071789d ago (Edited 1789d ago )

It is supposed to be simulating how light actually works- so yes if light is reflecting off a surface accurately it should show reflection or an effect that matches what you are looking at in the environment. Next time you play a game look at a puddle of water there may be just a "baked" in texture that if you aren't paying attention seems like it is reflecting but it isn't. I would say though if the light is reflecting more accurately I would think that would give more accurate shadows as well.
I am still not 100% sold on it- it looks okay but I can't get over the hardware price jump for better reflections..

Taz X141789d ago

While games won't look immensely better, it opens up more possibilities overall. Understandably, the price jump is huge. But, that can be said for being at the forefront for any new technology. I'm currently using a 2080ti and while I've played a few games that enable it, the gpu also plays everything else incredibly well so it's not like you're buying this tech for ONLY that option. Enthusiasts will pay top dollar to check out the newest things, but this will eventually become an everyday consumer and by then they'll have optimized and become a lot cheaper.

warriorcase1788d ago

Ray/path tracing can be used how the developer wants it to be. Tracing can be used to calculate shadows/lighting, reflection and even audio, where audio waves are calculated on the bounce off material types to simulate enviroment and echos accuratly.

Should also keep in mind that this ray/path tracing system is different and less accurate option from Nvidias RTX branded type. McFly's is a reshade that layers over the top of the game and therefor the quality will vary drastically. For example you can see nice reflection in the Star Wars demo here but it then introduces colour clipping with the light saber. On a video of GTA 5 for example it was incorrectly projecting a reflection of a red car onto the road which caused a very faint red glow on the ground around the car.

If you want to see a good example of a game developed with ray tracing reflection and lighting in mind then you could look up the youtube video of "Control - Exclusive E3 RTX GAMEPLAY Trailer".

DigitallyAfflicted1789d ago

It supposed to add more realistic light Not actually more light effects and explosions

traumadisaster1789d ago

I hate to say it but I’m fine with fake lights, shadows, reflections. I just kind of like the effect, it’s also great it saves resources for other things.

I’ve been checking out some original Xbox games on x360/x1x and the engine has fake light streaming in through a stained glass window, and I love it even though I know it’s not real time lighting. Heck it even shifts as I move about.

I’ve about convinced my self rt and hdr just doesn’t work for me. Before hdr I would even complain damn why are the headlights killing me they are so bright.

I notice most frame rate, then jaggies, then resolution; with the last two interchangeable depending.

Other day watched an enthusiast rave over 4k and the poor guy was in 1080p. I played the same game the night before and thought wow this is clean, I wonder if it’s 4k, but knew differently and I thought wow even resolution is not always important. The next day he apologized and was surprised he could be fooled.

RaidenBlack1788d ago

EA should have released the Crysis Trilogy Remaster for this gen.

FGHFGHFGH1784d ago

How come the lightsabers don't give off any light? Even in the EA star wars game the guy uses it to light up a dark cave. I guess if it is using frostbite it will support rtx cards.