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Which Hollywood Studio Is Accused Of 'Big Ass, Fat, Stupid Lie'?

LA Weekly's Nikki Finke reports on Paramount's gross overstatement of Transformers first week sales:

"You'd think anyone even remotely associated with DreamWorks would know better after the SEC investigation into Shrek 2 DVD sales reporting," the first Blu-ray studio source says. "In an overreaching effort to make a press claim - the #1 high def title position for any format - for Transformers, they've gone beyond exaggeration. Here's the dumb lie: they've claimed to sell 100K in one day and 190K in one week. Exact point of sale data from 3 retailers that make up 62% of the high-def market show sales of 73K units for the week. Being very generous, they could possibly reach 125K-130K, which would barely set a record for HD-DVD. And they couldn't have flooded rental stores since Blockbuster doesn't stock HD-DVD. It's an outrage. They think they can say whatever they want and that no one will call them on it. They need to be called on it."

One Blu-ray studio then provided me with 3rd party substantiation: an internal email from Nielsen's Videoscan giving the point-of-sale data which Paramount isn't disputing:(image below)"

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Bigmac5736046d ago

Megacorporations lying about their sales numbers in order to appease their audience. What a joke Paramount has become in signing on with HD-DVD.

They would have quadrupled their sales if they were on Blu-Ray and they know it.

C_SoL6046d ago (Edited 6046d ago )

& no one can deny that... Paramount is fu(kin stupid for going with HD-DVD....

aaahhhh look at all the HD-DVD fanboys disagreeing...fu(k you guys....why don't you go get a copy of transformers to show support to your format...so they don't have to lie....cause they know transformers on blu-ray would sell more then on HD-DVD. so they just lie about it thinking more consumers will get an HD-DVD and Transformers (which is an awesome movie) cause of their sells. thats pretty fu(kin low for transformers in the 1st week.

xhi46046d ago

the 150 million dollars kinda cancels out Transformer's HD-DVD losses.....or does it? Mwahahaha............

sorry I just re-read that, and damn is that mwahaha lame.....*sighs at regressing self-respect*

cuco336046d ago

those two easily account for the apparent 40% difference (ESPECIALLY Amazon as it is a big HD DVD hit).

Let's stop spinning sh*t guys. BD people took advantage with the BOGO sale and came out on top by 1% giving away disks. Those who took advantage of the freebies, I applaud you. I took advantage of the CC glitch by picking up 8 HD DVDs for the price of 4. If I had a PS3 (which I'm bound to get both for gaming and BD, waiting on the rumbled controllers to come as a standard ;) ) I'ld have picked up a few blu titles as well. It's nice to know that even with the freebie giveaways the sales split was only by 1%. Who do you think PROFITTED more? BD or HD DVD? Some don't care, I find it interesting.

And please, if you are going to mention Para's "150mil payoff", let's not forget the incentives the BDA payed to Fox, Disney, etc to go proBD and Para/DW/Warner to go neutral. Let's not be hypocrites here. Know the whole picture.

power of Green 6046d ago

The bigger surprise is that Blu-ray/Sony supporters are looking to debunk news they don't like 24/7...

YoMeViet6046d ago

I guess LA Weekly's Nikki Finke is a Blu-ray/Sony supporter too for debunking Paramount's claim eh POG? Shame on her for trying to dig up the Truth, Shame. (sarcasm)>_>

spammy_nooo6046d ago

That may be so, but nobody disputed 300's sales. Wanna know why? Because it was believable.

Blu-ray has been outselling Hd-dvd for a while now(forever) by a fairly significant margin, so it doesn't make sense that a hd-dvd exclusive would sell more than the best selling blu-ray disc, Transformers or not.

I thought it sounded fishy when I heard the news. I guess my gut was right...

fenderputty6046d ago (Edited 6046d ago )

Translation: Whah Whah ... boo hooo ... paramount lied ...quick say something slanderous to distract everyone from the truth. Whah Whah ...

Seriously ... lol

BTW ... this translation can be applied to comment #4 also.

Lionsguard6046d ago

how incredibly dense you are. Actually it wasn't really a surprise. OH sure this could be silly to you but had it been Toshiba or someone who caught Sony lying about retail numbers you'd be all over it praising Toshiba for their GREAT INVESTIGATION SKILLZ!! enjoy your over-priced coasters.

LoydX-mas6046d ago

What Nikki Fenke(and most others) don't know is that she is using flawed Nielson's VideoScan numbers.

Fact 1: Wal-mart hasn't supplied numbers to Nielson since july 2001.

Fact 2: Wal-mart sells almost 40% of all DVDs

Fact 3: Wal-mart does sell HD-DVD.

Do 'ya think that Paramount might actually be more correct than this report is trying to portray?

THE_JUDGE6045d ago

you still have yet to provide any links to actual facts that say Walmart sells 40% of the nations DVD players and we aren't talking about DVD anyway. Theres no way in hell that Walmart can make up 40% of HD-DVD's sold. Thats stupid to imply and by saying FACT before everything and not actually showing where you got that FACT from is stupid also.

LoydX-mas6045d ago (Edited 6045d ago )

here is a link:

http://www.macnn.com/articl...

P.S. I never said Wal-mart sells 40% of HD-DVDs, just DVD sales.

But they do sell Hd-DVD, and they are available on-line. Now Wal-mart has 4300 stores in the States, they woul only need to sell about 20 HD discs per store to easily make the 190,000 number very believeable

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SpenserTracy6046d ago

A lie is a lie and should be exposed. Im glad I have Blu-Ray.

smturner686046d ago

I'm glad that I have a Blu-ray player as well. But, I'm also just as glad to have an HD-DVD player because I bought Transformers the other night when I saw they finally had high def movies at Walmart. I'm also glad that I have an HD-DVD player because my copy of 300 that I got on Ebay the other day has features that aren't in the Blu-ray version. Those features may not be the most important thing, but if they're there, I'm gonna get the better version!

Douchebaggery6046d ago

I thought Sony had the monopoly on lying

Eclipticus6046d ago

holy SH*T someone in HOLLYWOOD LIED. THE WORLD IS OVER. AND PS3 WILL ALWAYS BE B/C

bloodzombie776046d ago

Awesome. Bubble for you for the Hollywood lied thing.

Eclipticus6044d ago

seriously how do i get a disagree. Hollywood types always tell the truth?
ps3 always be backward compatible? Hi, have you heard of the 40gb ps3?
the world is over? well you know, not now, but everything comes to and end sooner or later...

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XCOM's Jake Solomon Q&A - Building a Narrative-Driven Life Sim Game at Midsummer Studios

XCOM and Marvel's Midnight Suns director Jake Solomon has founded a new studio to make a life sim game. Here's a new interview with him.

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Microsoft's quest for short-term $$$ is doing long-term damage to Windows, Surface, Xbox, and beyond

Microsoft is pushing for no "red line" for what games could come to PlayStation, and it all revolves around Satya Nadella and CFO Amy Hood's plans to increase every department's margins.

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Brazz16h ago

"The plan to move Xbox games to other platforms is codenamed "Latitude" internally, and I know there's debate and unease at Microsoft about whether or not this is a good idea. More upcoming Microsoft-owned games slated for PlayStation are already being developed. At least for now, they're potentially obvious games you'd most likely expect. And yes, while it's true Microsoft is a prolific publisher on PlayStation already, it has typically revolved around specific franchises like Minecraft. From what I've heard, Microsoft is pushing for no "red line" for what games could come to PlayStation, and it all revolves around Satya Nadella and CFO Amy Hood's mandate to increase every department's margins. "

Yeah, they are going to kill Xbox hardware.

Xeofate14h ago

"Yeah, they are going to kill Xbox hardware."

It's for the best.

Quit stringing along xbox fans and screwing over PlayStation owners.

crazyCoconuts9h ago

Take good care of those Xboxes if you have 'em ...

outsider16249h ago

An Xbox game on a Playstation. Never in my years of gaming did i ever thought this was gonna happen.

jznrpg4h ago

It is dying anyway so doesn’t make much of a difference

VersusDMC4h ago

No way can they get rid of the hardware as probably 90% of game pass subscribers are hardware users.

Highly doubtful those users will move to PC or Cloud to subscribe there and the competition (Sony and Nin) will never have gamepass on their system.

If they want to keep the current subscribers, they need to keep releasing new hardware.

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gold_drake15h ago

i think it will kill off the xbox brand. windows will be fine.

but there is and would be a chance that xbox might be killed off in the future. if they fail to make the money they put in. imo.

S2Killinit13h ago

They wont kill it, but they will go fully PC while keeping xbox as a brand, and go multiplatform for the most part. They will also work tirelessly to diminish console gaming’s importance.

PRIMORDUS10h ago

It would be best if Xbox goes the way of Sega, just make and publish games. I know I myself will not support them at all with buying games from them, you all can. 🙃

ChasterMies8h ago

The Xbox brand will live for the games. I don’t expect Microsoft to entirely drop out of gaming hardware. They make Surface tablets and laptops. They’ll make Xbox branded hardware for those that want it.

shadowT15h ago

"Microsoft is pushing for no "red line" for what games could come to PlayStation"

Forza and Starfield next?

Skuletor13h ago

Starfield would be no surprise and there's the rumor that it will come to Playstation after the Shattered Space DLC, Forza (along with Halo and Gears of War) I find less likely but I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually end up on PlayStation too, especially if Xbox give up on hardware and go the Sega route.

shinoff218313h ago

Not to worried about forza. I'd rather see others like what inxile and obsidian are working on. Starfield sounds like it needs more time in the oven so let it cook first imo. If starfield and it's a small if does release on ps it'll be in the fall around the time for dlc or right at the dlc and come packaged with it.

-Foxtrot14h ago

In the words of Phil Spencer when he was talking about Nintendo last year

“It's just taking a long time for Microsoft to see that their future exists off of their own hardware"

S2Killinit13h ago

Yup. MS are a cancer to console gaming.

Aloymetal12h ago

100%!!
I wonder what happened to that dude that was always here posting those court articles with cartoons about MS spending all those billions in studios. He suddenly disappeared, I guess he doesn't like bad news when the green brand is in trouble. No new articles from him as of late...

PRIMORDUS10h ago

Yup, and it's only going to keep spreading.

Outside_ofthe_Box10h ago

Phil Spencer's words always comes back to bite him lol

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The PS5 Has Shipped An Estimated 5x More Units Than The Xbox Series X/S In The Last Quarter

When the PS5 and the Xbox Series X/S first launched all the way back in 2020, console sales were not what either platform manufacturer wanted them to be. The pandemic slowed things down more than ever before, even though in the case of each next-gen console, all the units that were manufactured, sold.

Of course that didn’t last, and soon manufacturing limitations on the consoles were a thing of the past, and sales started to leap forward. For one next-gen console platform, at least.

-Foxtrot1d 5h ago

I can see why Microsoft is putting their games on PlayStation with these numbers

Imagine how many copies of future games like Elder Scrolls VI, Blade, Indiana Jones and more they could sell if they went fully multiplatform.

OtterX1d ago

If they don't, it would be the death of them.

Cacabunga11h ago

Can we then stop calling this a console war? Sony rolling over xbox trillions with a few cross gen games.. what would it be when a new uncharted, horizon or tsushima 2 comes out.. even worse, with GTA6 no one would buy an xbox to play it..

purple10122h ago

while I see your point, i'm one of those people that dont really want to see a M$ logo, when I boot up, however good the game is, unless truly exceptional, I've got enough games from Sony and enough coming down the pipeline, plus the 2 free smaller games on ps+, why do I need to give Microsoft anymore money,

I usually play just GT7 and cod, you've got Gran Theft Auto coming, its over for microsoft, they shot themselves in the foot, and now have to hobble away, to the losers corner, sit there, and repent.,!!! hahaha

bloop11h ago

That's crazy man. Just because you prefer blondes doesn't mean you should turn down a brunette.

GamerRN9h ago

Yeah and that's the fanboy problem right there in a nutshell

Profchaos2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Does it matter they are basically third party at this point if your a Nintendo fan do you turn a game off because it was developed by Sega.

Also so many games are using Azure backend and display it in on their fine print so you'll not play any game using that to

OtterX22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

@Purple101 At this point, Microsoft just wants to be the American Tencent, but also just happen to have a console available for those who want it.

I hate what they're doing to the industry, but I would play the next Elder Scrolls on PS5 or PS6 even if I had to look at a MS logo at the beginning. At this point, I'm just invested in the series. I didn't feel this way about Starfield, which is why I've skipped it. Worst case scenario, I'd pick Elder Scrolls up on PC if it didn't come to PS, but I've stayed true to my word - I have not, and will not buy another Microsoft console after 3 red ringed 360s. They've killed my console support for life. They showed how scummy they can be by knowingly rushing out a product before it was ready, just to try and capture a 1 year headstart.

If a MS logo shows up at the beginning of the next Elder Scrolls on a Playstation console, so what? That means Sony won and MS is just another publisher. Many of the large publishers are quite dirty, so it fits them well. I wouldn't mind seeing their console die off though and them solely take up this publisher role.

Jingsing18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Yeah, I never bought another Xbox console after the 360. But at the same time you shouldn't find yourself captive to Elder Scrolls if the company behind it is very scummy. I dropped COD after Ghosts and I don't regret it the company has only become worse and I'm glad I never was part of funding that.

OtterX12h ago

@Jingsing oh yea for sure. If I sense that Elder Scroll 6 is a shell of its former self w a trashy microtransaction setup, I'll probably skip it. I'll wait for previews and reviews but I sure am hoping for the best. I still play Skyrim to this day in VR.

purple10112h ago

I mean yeh, if they do produce something good, i've got a laptop, +HDMI cable to the telly, link a bluetooth dual sense (that I already own), and hey presto, I don't need an xbox,

but I can't see that happening, ps5pro will the the best way to play, with best graphics and sound, for me.

gold_drake17h ago

yeh same, surprised it took them so long.

jznrpg8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Personally I did not care for the Indiana Jones trailer. The combat looks too much like a Doom/Dishonored game to me. I think it could have been so much more. Which is too bad as I grew up with the movies and Raiders of the Lost Ark is still one of my favorites from when I was a kid.

If they can bring Elder Scrolls back towards Morrowind I would love it. If it’s like Skyrim it will be pretty decent but not great. Blade has potential. Hopefully it’s nothing like Redfall. I don’t really trust MS to make good games and rather not give them my money as they are bad for gaming. I’ll buy some games used, maybe but that’s about it

Profchaos2h ago

If the Jez rumour is true Microsoft has placed no red line around any first party game going to PS.

Although Jez has been acting like a spoilt brat not getting his way lately seems he's grown disenfranchised with Microsoft and is kind of lost given its most of his identity so I don't trust everything he says atm.

But basically if we see a halo game come to PS I'd call that a death kneel to the brand

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Barlos18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

A surprise to nobody.

S2Killinit18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

5X is a surprise as it’s just unreal.

fr0sty15h ago

Yeah, this console war just became a console genocide.

Jingsing18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Sony would probably be selling more if they stopped sending mixed signals about their future. Putting games on PC because you are taking data analytic advice from Microsoft about the future of consoles is folly and has limited their potential sales. Microsoft want Sony and the world to believe that consoles are done as a business so companies like Sony and Nintendo etc can end up serving Microsoft's platform. Remember when it comes to Microsoft "It is us or no one and the three E's" Don't fall for it.

S2Killinit18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

MS has forced everyone’s hand in regard to PC. If the other two dont release on PC, they will be giving them an edge. Imo

Although i think Sony/PlayStation would be wise to release selectively on PC.

Jingsing16h ago

The way Sony are doing it though is very suspect, It almost seems like they are trying to tunnel their way out of Steam with a PSN back-end. They should have just launched their own store. Yes this would no doubt upset PC users but you just can't have everything on Steam as that means no market competition. Microsoft and Sony should only use their own stores. That way they can also enforce their subscription fee's (I don't think there should be fee's) like they do on console as right now they are saying people on console have to pay this fee but if you play on PC you don't. That is very anti-consumer.

Skuletor15h ago

While putting their games on PC would lose them some console sales, there's a large market of people that prefer consoles for their simplicity and convenience, I wonder if it would really effect them negatively. Well, I guess at this current point they won't be dragging PC players into a PS Plus subscription, so there's that.

crazyCoconuts15h ago

I think after Xbox is gone they'll make a bigger push to move PC gamers over to PS, and they may halt momentum on the PC ports to do that. PC and Nintendo gamers will be the only ones left to convert

Einhander197215h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Jingsing

This is a reply to this comment.

"The way Sony are doing it though is very suspect, It almost seems like they are trying to tunnel their way out of Steam with a PSN back-end"

That's not accurate, what they want is simply to be able to count PC users as PlayStation users. It's no different than what EA Ubisoft or Microsoft are doing. Heck, people need to sign up for extra accounts even on consoles to play some of their games, you can't play Sea of Thieves or Minecraft without a Microsoft account.

I'm not sure why PlayStation is being singled out like this, I get why it was a problem in Helldivers because they added it after the game was released which caused problems for people who already owned the game, but at the same time it was nothing that all the other major publishers weren't already doing.

ChasterMies14h ago

“Putting games on PC because you are taking data analytic advice from Microsoft ”

Sony is putting games on PC because the market for people who spend $2000 on a gaming PC is different from the market that spends $500 on a gaming console. Also consider that consoles are sold at a loss. Sony probably makes more from selling Sony published gamed to PC owners than selling consoles to PC owners who would only use them play those games.

shinoff218311h ago

I dont think consoles are sold at a loss outside of the first couple years.

InUrFoxHole12h ago

Hold your breath if you think they're gonna stop bringing games to pc

BehindTheRows11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Selling more? They just had one of the biggest periods for a console EVER (20.8m). That’s not exactly something for them to scoff at. They’d just break more records by selling more, but it’s not a necessity.

Their balance of selling what they’re selling while making plenty of money is how you successfully run a console business.

neutralgamer199210h ago

PC gaming is a platform which is compatible with consoles. So many of keep saying the same nonsense for years ago. PC isn’t going anywhere and more and more games will be on PC

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