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What Gamers Do Not Understand About The Playstation Network

This is not a post to condemn legions of Playstation followers. This is simply a post educating the frustrated gamers who have been placing the entire blame on the hackers or elites who’ve compromised the network and their PSN accounts. The truth is a lot of this blame must also be shared with Sony.

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dedicatedtogamers4767d ago

Gamers don't need education. Gamers need the service (PSN) they thought they'd be using when they bought a PS3. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. The majority of PS3 owners don't know the story behind the scenes. All they know is that their PS3 isn't performing the functions that they bought it for.

epicdestroy4767d ago

It's been down way too long if you ask me... I want to watch MLB and it won't work!

OneSneakyMofo4767d ago

Here's the biggest thing: It's not only hurting us, but it's KILLING Sony. Do you know how much money they've lost in the past six days because of this? All of those potential PSN titles/themes/avatars and PSN video rentals/purchases sales gone down the drain, and many people are expecting a free game because of this? Ludicrous. I'm sure Sony's working as fast as possible not only for our sakes but for their business sakes as well.

TurismoGTR4767d ago

lol @ this site speaking for gamers.

WildArmed4767d ago (Edited 4767d ago )

Aye.
It's funny when people thinking laying blame will help the problem.

The truth is:
Pointing fingers NEVER solved any problems.

Also, it's easy to say 'OMGZ You should have done this better'
Where was everyone before this happened? >.>

Oh, and by no means am I saying Sony was not at fault.

But lets try to be big boys, and let them deal with it. Harassing Sony won't get anything done.

moparful994767d ago

I want to know exactly how this guy presumes to know what kind of network sony has... He's speculating and making baseless claims and proceeds to tell everyone his extensive networking background.. WHoopdy dooo... Unless he was a sony employee who was intially on the team that built psn then his OPINION is moot.

UnwanteDreamz4767d ago

Dont know who disagreed with you mopar but I totaly agree. He only backs one claim with more than speculation, and his reasons for being able to tell the network is half assed, are laughable. All your knowledge about networks and "lack of transparency " is one of your indicators? This writer presumes to know alot.

squallheart4767d ago (Edited 4767d ago )

http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

Just found that maybe it will clear some stuff. Ill wait til they resolve the issue so im not worried. I used to have a credit card but it got auto erased after i logged in with my other ps3 since then i use psn cards.

undercovrr4767d ago

Interesting read. Cue disagrees :D

Bimkoblerutso4767d ago

No, it was a technically interesting read, just not a very philosophically sound one from an ethics perspective.

UnwanteDreamz4767d ago

Agreed I read and understood every word. I could not come to all his conclusions with the info he has written. Lots of speculation passed off as fact.

disturbing_flame4767d ago

Institutionalized.

/all i want was a pepsi.

WildArmed4767d ago

I know!
It's not like he was asking for Coke, it was just Pepsi.

What a weird Mom.

1998gamer4767d ago (Edited 4767d ago )

So lets blame the victims of crimes but not the criminals who commit the crime?.

sounds logical to me /s

NLGSean4767d ago

Um... If someone puts a reliable Security System on their home thieves will not break in...

WildArmed4767d ago

Right, so if someone got robbed on the way home, it's their fault for being robbed.

I understand Sony does have part blame for not keeping our info confidential. But I'm not sure if you realize or not, if there was no 'Security System' PSN would have been hacked 4 years ago.

BLow4767d ago

Yes and that includes major banks and other big institutions..oh and the Pentagon. They have never been hacked.
/s

rob60214767d ago

That isn't a very good analogy, computer security doesn't work the same way. Even the best security solutions can and will be hacked if the intent and knowlege is there.

joeorc4767d ago

"Um... If someone puts a reliable Security System on their home thieves will not break in... "

im hoping you are being sarcastic because you know how dumb that sounds?

security is a

deterrent,or deterrents if you will

plural

1. A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something

2. A nuclear weapon or weapons system regarded as deterring an enemy from attack

Web definitions

* hindrance: something immaterial that interferes with or delays action or progress

* tending to deter; "the deterrent effects of high prices"

no security is fool proof..an i love the people that keep trying to define the security of the PSN as complete Fail..when it would not matter How strong a security you have..

lesson learned is they got hacked an now they are beefing up security..they took the blame for it...they out right took the network down, that still will not stop people from sueing Sony they know this..pound of flesh..pound of flesh.

Toading is here...so many Toads..so little time

radphil4767d ago

"Um... If someone puts a reliable Security System on their home thieves will not break in..."

Bullcrap. They'll still do it. You don't watch the news where people pull off a heist at a bank...where there's giant vaults, visual cameras, and some security guards.

callahan094767d ago (Edited 4767d ago )

If they want to break in badly enough, they will break in. Museums with priceless artworks have some of the most state of the art security around, but sometimes they get broken in and art gets stolen, because no security system is 100% secure and because, like I said, sometimes a criminal wants to get in badly enough that they find a way. Now I'm not saying Sony did everything they possibly could have done to secure PSN and customer information, but I also don't blame them right now because I haven't seen what their system looks like, haven't seen their security, and I haven't been privy to how the hackers got in and what they were able to acquire, and without any knowledge in those areas, there's no way to just say "Oh, Sony didn't do everything they could so it's their fault."

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mirumu4767d ago

Sony isn't the victim. We are.

The hackers are criminals, but that doesn't leave Sony blameless. Clearly they didn't secure our personal information properly.

UnwanteDreamz4767d ago (Edited 4767d ago )

Your logic is flawed. Just because hackers got to it dosent mean they didnt secure it prperly. If someone bypasses security that doesn't mean it wasn't there. I'll also reserve judgement about wether I've been trully victimised or not. I could care less who knows where I live. CC is already secure again. Knowing all that has happened I'll be less likely to link my CC again. Only gripe now is No PSN, but as they say "this too shall pass".

mirumu4767d ago

@UnwanteDreamz "Just because hackers got to it dosent mean they didnt secure it prperly."

Actually it means exactly that. Clearly you do not understand encryption technology. Misinformation like this is exactly what the article is complaining about.

UnwanteDreamz4767d ago (Edited 4767d ago )

Surely you jest. That or your understanding of the written word is poor. You say that I have to understand encryption to know wether it was secured properly but that just isn't the case you need to look up"properly" Did they use the best security available? Probably not but that dosen't make them culpable. You like the author presume too much based on your very limited knowledge of their network. BTW you like him are passing speculation off as fact. What did you call it? Misinformation

mirumu4767d ago (Edited 4767d ago )

@UnwanteDreamz People have been dumping TCP connections from the PSN for years. Any kid with a computer and time to waste can try to figure out the data going back and forth if they feel like it. When the PS3 was hacked the hackers gained the ability to inject certificates into it's SSL certificate store which in turn allowed access to unencrypted communication between the PS3 and the PSN. Fail0verflow said as much in their video ages back.

You can pretend all you like that this is speculation, but it doesn't make it true. Sony knew about the hacks. They knew about the certificate injections. They knew people could see the unencrypted data going back and forth. They did nothing. Culpable? I expect it'll be a judge deciding that and I don't like Sony's chances.

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joeorc4767d ago

HUH...Sony needs to wake up an learn a lesson, right?

OK they did..hey guess what they are rebuilding their entire ONLINE NETWORK.

that by the way is free so if they take another hit..after this an Someone hacks again an they get in..will it still be sony's fault..even hireing better security companys...

yea..poke more into a free service to find more exploits to show Sony how fail their security is.?

"Toading is fantastic is it not"

you have to love CFW an its a great thing the next playstation will release with the option for Linux right?

but Linux was the only reason Sony did'nt get hacked for so long...hahahaha right?...right

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers19d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken19d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g19d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing19d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H919d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola19d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66919d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle19d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg20d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos20d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola20d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies40d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken40d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga40d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken40d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6440d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long40d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197240d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic40d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12540d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91340d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer40d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91339d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit39d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher40d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6939d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit39d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher40d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken40d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197240d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic40d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2340d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218340d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder40d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts40d ago

Headline truncated:
"... off a cliff"

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