IBM's Kahle defends Cell, Sony PS3 on CoD4 issue

Pundits have made comparisons between versions of Activision and Infinity Ward's upcoming Sony PlayStation 3, Windows PC, and Microsoft Xbox 360 video game Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. It was pointed out that CoD4: Modern Warfare looks no better on the Sony PS3 than it does on rival console Microsoft Xbox 360. This prompted IBM Cell Project architect Jim Kahle to react.

Kahle said that the next-generation of gaming is taking on more than just pushing graphics to extremes. He indicated that artificial intelligence (AI) will be higher on the priority list than ever before.

[Clinton514]

Before the trolls march in...I can't say I've played any next gen title with AI that frightens me just yet.

Difficulty(eg. AI not missing shots) doesn't really count in my book. I want to see enemies making frighteningly human like decisions. I hope we see that sometime soon.

[nasim]

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

"With that said, the console similarities end when it comes to textures, lighting and resolutions, because those three areas make the PlayStation 3 version definitely excel over the Xbox 360 SKU."

[Close_Second]

...AI has not been at all impressive thus far this gen. Yes, some games have shown an improvement but nothing that would make you think you're playing against a computer opponent that actually had a brain.

I especially hate end-of-level bosses that react and attack with a predefined set of patterns. That to me is so last-gen but yet was standard fare in Gears of War. I've said it before but slick graphics does not a next-gen title make. I guess thats why on-line gaming has become so popular - much more challenging to take on human opponents.

@Nasim: Wow, you'll have to tell the puppeteer to remove his hand and arm from your ass so you can come up with your own opinion sometime. You surely are the king of repeating what others have said that support your fanboyism.

[dragunrising]

Off topic: being an ignorant fanboy doesn't make you a man or impress anyone. Playing make believe that you even own a gaming console is pretty impressive. I'll believe you have a PS3 when I see your PS3 tag. Your bio says your ignored by 164 people!!! ZOMG!!!

On topic: I don't care if the PS3 surpasses the graphics of "inferior" consoles. At least Sony will make good on the promise that it made of having a superior product (graphically). People seem to believe in it, including IBM, so its probably more powerful than we've seen. I have to buy one before all the 60 gig sku's are sold out:-p (backward compatibility included!!!)

[Capt CHAOS]

Play online. That's why I do.

[InMyOpinion]

I think Halo 3 has good enemy AI on the harder levels.

And please don't disagree with me until you've actually played it yourself. I know there are a lot of Halo haters here, most of which probably have never been in contact with the game.

[JsonHenry]

Lol, he should be a politician. He completely avoided the graphical comparison question. Which would leave me to believe he is just happy that the PS3 version in on par with the 360.

HOWEVER - he is TOTALLY correct in saying that AI needs to be improved. So far I have witnessed nothing next gen about ANY game or console in terms of AI.

If Sony can in fact use the CELL the make AI seem more "life-like" then I will be the happiest PS3 owner in all the lands.

[ry-guy]

I agree that graphics are at the edge, and I agree AI needs to be improved... but at the same time I wonder how far that needs to go.

I, personally, enjoy the old gamer cliche where bosses have a predetermined weakness and go through patterns of attack/defend/open for that single attack. Wash, rinse, repeat. If I want to play killer AI, I will go online (as someone else pointed out).

For purposes of single player story lines, perhaps AI should increase with difficulties or adapt to a players abilities instead of just bumping up the damage their weapons do. Personally, I would love to practice against bots that act and react like humans do for training purposes (I get sick and tired of hearing whinny and smack talk). However, those days are borderline with true AI.

I think AI will always be one step behind human players. It in the end they are all using a predetermined set of reactions to your actions and you can eventually recognize their patterns.

[Kleptic]

@ Jenzo...I completely disagree with you...and therefor I clicked the button...

Halo 3 could be said to be harder on Legendary...but that is hardly what makes impressive AI...and for the record I have played through the game 3 times...just recently on legendary...

Your logic would say that Halo 3 has no better AI than Quake III...a game that wasn't even released this century...No one can beat that game on Nightmare...no one...iD has admitted that...every shot fired will hit you, most of the time even rockets...that doesn't make impressive AI...that doesn't make an AI opponent react to your moves realisticly...this is exactly what happens with Halo 1...2...3...and pretty much every other fps out there...and what about your AI controlled comrades in halo 3?...why do I constantly see them firing at random rocks for no reason?...or get stuck behind a barrel?...halo 3 does have some enemies doing things more impressive than the bot based Quake III...but to the tone of a Quake III engine game like Return to Castle Wolfenstien...they would kick grenades back at you...use squad based tactics on you marginally, and sometimes run away from you if you get a bead on them from a funny position....and by the way that game was released in 2001...

So far, imo, the most impressive AI of any fps has been FEAR...their flanking tactics, the way they give orders to one another, and the ability to be "frightened" when enemy numbers are cut down...makes for an experience second to none in that department...halo 3 doesn't come close to that...

but I agree with everyone else...AI truly needs to be pushed now...AI standards have not been raised much for the better part of 7 years...graphics have been pushed...on screen goings-on have increased exponentially...but your enemies still behave like your retarded neighbor with a bubble lawnmower...somethings got to give soon...

[Wii60_FTW]

Halo 3 on Legendary = best AI on the planet right now. Just try beating the game on Solo Legendary and you'll know all about it. It has absolutely nothing to do with how much damage their weapons do to you; it has everything do with with how they think and react. Bottom line: No over-hyped, blew-ray movie decoder (Cell), required.

[ATLRoAcH]

COD:4 is 720p at 60fps on the PS3.Isn't that a good thing compared to ports.Its clear a multi-plat isn't going to push the PS3.DUH!

[dantesparda]

I agree with you that FEAR has the best AI, it also has some of (but not the best) physics and partical effects (and im not talking about the 360 version either, cuz the PC version has better particle effects than the 360 one).

@ BlueBrad
Not to bright are you? "Core coding reliability", LOL! Just making terms up are we?

[bluebrad1974]

First, ps3 will never have the A.I. capacity of the 360. It lacks the core coding reliability. This is a flat fact and is non-negotiable. I highly doubt that a game like Viva Pinata could be made properly for the ps3. There are too many unique a.i. algorythms all happening at once.

It should be common knowledge by now that the Cell is garbage as a gaming cpu. The Cell is the video image decoder for the blu-ray player in the ps3. That is why Sony used the Cell, it's sure as hell not because it was good for gaming.

[ATLRoAcH]

SHUT UP!Go play your 360 and keep your narrow minded opinions to yourself.

[Kleptic]

bluebrad=idiot...

Cell is a video decoder for blu ray only?...then why isn't there a cell in any other Sony BD player?...I bet there isn't a Cell in those other players because you are a dumbfeck...

and coding reliability?...dude seriously...just stop living...

[Panthers]

I think that most Multiplatform games are going to look pretty much the same on all systems (PS3 and 360 in this case). Devs dont want to make one system seem better than the other unless they are going exclusive on that system.

However, I thought that they said the lighting and stuff was a little better on the PS3 version?

[getrdone]

Dont forget about ea, because they seem to favor the xbox 360.

[harpua]

"the console similarities end when it comes to textures, lighting and resolutions, because those three areas make the PlayStation 3 version definitely excel over the Xbox 360 SKU."

dailygamer.net said the PS3 version was better.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

[Dareaver1]

but the Sony fanboys will have you believe that, but it is only slightly true. IW said that the two that were viewed were from different points of development. The PS3 version was 3 weeks ahead of the 360 version in development. So not all the features were present in the 360 version at that time. IW said that they will be identical, i don't think they would lie about their own product.

EDIT:@ below, yeah, unfortunately that is what is going to happen. Unfortunately it seems as though Fanboys have a bigger voice than true gamers. And they are ruining the perception of what people consider to be gamers. They are all immature, and have the mind-set of a schoolyard bully, all trying to justify their purchases. I have a 360 (and unfortunately it had to be sent off for the dreaded 3 lights) and i love Halo 3, Gears of War, Bioshock, Lost Planet, N3, Forza 2, Skate, and most of the Live Arcade games; but i also am interested in Drake and R&C so i'm gonna have to buy a 60gig PS3 before they are sold out (because i still want to play God of War 2 and i'm still playing Shadow of the Colossus.) It's just that some of the Sony Fanboys are irritating to the point where it affects my feelings towards Sony, because if you ask me, i don't like how they are marketing the PS3. Talking down the competition and screaming about their hardware. Let the games show me that. That's what i think.

[Panthers]

Making sure each version is identical is key when it comes to Multiplatform games. Otherwise you will have a lot of angry fanboys saying they will never buy from your company again. However their will be comparison videos, and I guarantee that people will find differences even though they will both look exactly alike.

[Agent VX]

Blah blah blah....that's all we get from these clowns.

And the PS3 deserves the highly touted name of "WAITStation 3", cause that's all anybody associated with Sony keeps flapping, all the while the general public is smarting up to the idea that the PS3 is "not all that!!!"

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

Clowns? STFU. This guy helped design the Cell processor.

He knows more about CPU's and computer hardware than you, your family and all of your friends combined.

[games4fun]

they will be very much the same game on both consoles kind of expect it on a multiplat game. first post about cod4 for me

[Aniperk]

Ofcourse it looks the same cause its a multiplatfrom game and its
being developed from A to Z on an inferior platform(xbox). Now to
make a right and proper port to ps3 cell architecture its up to the
budget and the effort of Activision.

I really wonder if one day one company tried to port Killzone 2 to xbox
what would that look? (if it is possible ofcourse)

[Agent VX]

LOL, the inferior platform seems to be the PS3, with it's shotty cell and memory, inferior video card. That's why us in the gaming world give the nickname to the PS3 as the StutterStation, stuttering at 30fps.

It can't even run 360 games at half the fps, and it stutters while it's at it.

Killzone would look so much better on the 360, not that we really want a second rate game though. You keep that average title, I hear PS3 owners would love to play an average game.

[wil4hire]

Is capable of doing HD games at stable frame rates? Motorstorm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Oblivion, Warhawk, Resistance Fall of man, etc.

I am sure you will bring up an "AAA" argument. But what does that have to do with HD games running at stable 30-60fps frame rates?

LOL @ the Disagree coward. I'd love to see your response. lol seriously, what is there to disagree with?

[Makroyale]

"the console similarities end when it comes to textures, lighting and resolutions, because those three areas make the PlayStation 3 version definitely excel over the Xbox 360 SKU."

dailygamer.net said the PS3 version was better.

[Dareaver1]

it is only slightly true. IW said that the two that were viewed were from different points of development. The PS3 version was 3 weeks ahead of the 360 version in development. So not all the features were present in the 360 version at that time. IW said that they will be identical, i don't think they would lie about their own product.

Why can't everyone just appreciate that it is going to be an awesome game, do we really need to pull out the meter stick. You prefer whatever console you have, leave it at that, we are suppose to be gamers. Fanboys make this site sickening.

[aiphanes]

Just get over it people...buy the version that you want and play it.

Infinity ward is one of the good developers unlike EA...

[razer]

Maybe you need to go back and review the original article you get your FACTS from.. Because it was later mentioned that the games were different builds.. The only time you can state FACT is if you played them side by side yourself.. Just because you want it to be does NOT make it FACT!

Just wait till the game comes out to make your comparisons..

PopEmUp: X Bot my ass! It's a shame you are across the internet or I'd smack that stupid looking smirk off your face with my PS3. Aren't you the same idiot who whined about Ninja Gaiden 2 going to the Wii?? Huh? Yea, I thought so stupid..

[PopEmUp]

Razer stopped being an x-bot and grow up man

[ArmrdChaos]

Like labeling anyone with at term like "x-bot" is any more mature.

This freakin site is more and more of a joke everyday. Fragile little egos always trying to assert themselves as a "superior" human being because I chose brand X and it is superior....[insert multiple paragraphs, links, and twisted facts to thus prove (in their world) they are the superior human being].

I actually pitty those that define themselves by the material objects that they acquire. Cheerlead or politic all you want...none of it matters for spit on this site other than to generate traffic. Not a single one of these corporations are going to show up on your doorstep with praise and/or gifts for your efforts...waste of time.

Put simply....SHUT UP AND PLAY.

[Jones Miller]

Bubbles for you my man! The smartest thing I read all week!!!

[Dareaver1]

ditto! best comment i've heard in a long time.

[wil4hire]

Everyone is excited that their system's multiplats (on a system thats been out since 05) Can look as good as the first wave of Playstation multiplats.

The PS3 is almost at its 1 year mark. It already has graphically superior titles. Even if you make the BS comment that HS sucks as does Lair. Every reviewer in the world backs up the Visuals of said titles. The game content is debatable, however... thats something that game developers work on. Sony didn't make Lair, nor did they make Heavenly Sword short. Developers did.

With HD-Games surfacing like Uncharted/Ratchet & Clank/Haze/Folklore/Lair/Heave nly Sword/Motorstorm/Resistance/Wa rhawk at the start of developers learning curve, where do people think it will be when it hits its two year mark? What happens when EA finally gets some tips from Naughty Dog ,Insomniac, 2k etc (Developers who have made HD games that run at stable framerates with more action on screen than anything on the 360. See cannon sequence for HS. Or Play Lair once.)

When will people stop questioning the ps3's hardware?

[supermandead666]

It didn't matter which console is better, at the end day Infinity Ward' devs want to treat all console/PC gamers equal.

[joydestroy]

this doesn't matter since i own both consoles...
but i will say, in the defense of the PS3, that the full potential of CELL has not yet been reached.

[green_ghost5]

BS.......They both look exactly the same, I trust the word of IW over that site. Both versions will be Identical in every way.

[Proxy]

If that statement is literally true, then the fact that they are the same is the crowning achivement here, and the games quality takes a back seat.

Making a game EXACTLY the same on two platforms that are so different is a greater achivement than simply making a good game.

There will be differences, they will be small and insignificant, and no doubt there will be hundreds of posts making these seem infinately more important than they really are.

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

Infinity Ward themselves said Ps3 will have more content,i.e:maps,weapons.You know why?

HIP HIP BLUERAY! HIP HIP BLUERAY! HIP HIP BLUERAY!

[green_ghost5]

Did they now, well why don't you provide a link then.
I have not heard anything about PS3 getting extra content.
Blu-ray has nothing to do with it either. Look at Mass Effect or even oblivion both of those games are bigger than COD4, plus all the extra content on the GOTY edition for oblivion.....it's all on one DVD.

[wil4hire]

" With that said, the console similarities end when it comes to textures, lighting and resolutions, because those three areas make the PlayStation 3 version definitely excel over the Xbox 360 SKU. Regardless, every console owner will proudly use Call of Duty 4 to showcase their high-definition TV, because COD4 is by far the best-looking console game you will see this year."

http://www.dailygame.net/ne...

ouch.

Good read.

[jaja1434]

*risks venturing into the wild*

Well in all fairness if it said the opposite most people would jump up and claim that the quote came from a no name site and is only one review AND that we should wait for "quality sites" such as IGN and blah blah blah.

Don't shot the messenger

*Runs back into cave. Builds small fire to keep wild animals out. Throws blanket over head*

[snoop_dizzle]

this game is going to be awesome on both platforms. I would get it on the ps3 even if its better, but since my friends in college have 360s i might just get the 360 version so i can play it with them.

I wont buy both though becasue i still need to get R&C

[Polluted]

As a PS3 owner I'm just glad to see that we're finally starting to get titles that are at least as good as the 360 versions. If the PS3 version is even slightly better then that's a good sign as well. After a year of crappy, half assed 360 ports I'll take what I can get.
Now that we're getting identical versions of games I'm sure it won't be long before devs start doing right by PS3 owners. We've had a handful of titles that show what the system can do. With games being developed from the ground up on both systems simultaneously now 2008 should be a great year for the PS3 camp.

[Rockstar]

PC Demo looks amazing, fingers crossed for console versions.

Also, I just bought me some Folklore.
Off to play that now.

[PimpHandHappy]

it isnt even out yet.

I do think thou they will look the same and maybe the shading will be better on the PS3 but not enough for my eyes to see.

[IdontTakeSides]

Im surprised ppl find a reason to complain about a game that is great on all platforms...and yes dailygamer did state the PS3 version has better textures, lighting, resolutions, I think pl are expecting too much of the PS3 too soon..and if games on the PS3 can surpass what been done on the 360 in a couple months why dont you think it will not get better in the coming year ...and no game studio is gonna make one console version better than the other what's the sense in that..

[CaliGamer]

If the games are due out at the same time or close to the same time, would it be good business to make the PS3 version look better than the 360 version? With all the brand loyalty and petitions going around, I am sure that if they stated that one version was superior to another there would be some price to pay as far as sales to the fringe element.
Business wise, for now at least, it makes more sense to just make the games as similar as possible. That will probably change in time, but for now I believe this will be the norm.

[Foliage]

That's the problem with the video game crowd lately. They don't know what it is they want. If the AI was as intelligent as you, there would be no chance of you ever clearing the game. Plain and simple. Sometimes it pays off more to dumb down the AI a bit to increase the fun factor of the game. The developer has to draw a line between challenging and frustrating.

For one of the games I was working on the AI was made incredibly difficult, and as a result if they got their hands on certain weapons the user wouldn't stand a chance. The AI was then dumbed down on purpose to a state in which they were nearly running into each other. It's a risk either way, and in the end you can't please everybody with a single decision.

[XBOTSMUSTDIE]

Resistance is one game I was impress and angry as hell at the A.I....I have never been flank from behind so many times...You would be shooting a chemira and he takes cover you think he's still there hiding taking cover and next thing you know he's behind you doing a melee attack...impressive indeed....I think this gen is going to be physics and animation that has to do the most improvements because of how realistic the charactors look...If you look at uncharted, Drake looks so real and this is PS3 first year out

[Funky Town_TX]

just go buy the darn game. Most people hate the 360 so it does not matter how the game looks. The 360 will ALWAYS be written off. The underdog is what the 360 is. As long as 360 owners keep buying games and keep having fun with them all will be well. I don't have a PS3 right now, and most of the members here only have one console as well. Why do we still need comparisons on N4G?

[jaja1434]

Way off topic: is that guy in your pic wearing lipstick?

[snoop_dizzle]

its tyrrone bigums!

[jaja1434]

Ahh... still looks creepy

[CaliGamer]

MS has a monopoly on most of the operating systems used today even though they have an inferior product, not to mention they are the largest recipient of government subsidies since the auto industry.
This argument of MS being an underdog is the same excuse people like David Duke use to justify a racist agenda for the preservation of the white race against the dark skinned threat. MS is far from an underdog, and if that notion makes you feel like you need to support them over Sony then you need to do your research my friend.
Both corporations are equally self serving and have the same money making agenda. Remember that next time you feel sorry for them.

Your point about just playing games and having fun is well taken tho, agree with that portion 100%, a nugget of wisdom in a pile on nonsense.

[Funky Town_TX]

okay before the 360 launched this is the way it was.

The 360 was suppose to fail right out of the gate. The day the PS3 launched the 360 was suppose to die. I did not get a 360 because it is the underdog. I got a 360 because of the games, and gaming features. I purchased a xbox1 based on specs alone. I will never do that again. The fact that not all gamers kiss Sony's a$$ is hard for people to deal with. I can game with or without the PS brand. I have done it for the past 9 years. I will get a PS3 to play Killzone 2 but I will not get one until then. I could care less about M$ and Sony as a company, but I know that competition is important for the market. In the end I have fun with my 360 and I know it kills Sony fans to think that someone can have fun without a PS console.

[XBOTSMUSTDIE]

Multiplatform are going to be the same even if graphics might be a slight difference, it's made by the same people. So who cares? Exclusives is where the PS3 shines, there is no denying it's power..All you have to do is look at Uncharted on a 720p HDTV and it clearly show what the PS3 is capable off...Uncharted has the best graphics to date on any console....This game is just gorgeous, makes me feel like the first time I played gears of war on my 1080p HDTV...But uncharted is the game right now pushing graphics to the next level.....

[green_ghost5]

Uncharted aha-ahahaha-ahahahahaha You kidding right. Assassins creed looks better than that game. Mass Effect puts it to shame.

[ElementX]

Is this even an issue? I mean a lot of games look BETTER on 360! To say it looks the same and twist that into an insult? That's pretty sad.

Now I just have to wait for both reviews to see which one I'm going to buy.

[QuackPot]

WE both know which one you are going to buy.

You clearly favour one of your consoles ahead of the other.

C'mon. Admit it.

You're going to buy the 360 version. Prove me wrong.

Are you really as OBJECTIVE and open-minded as you make yourself out to be. We'll see.

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

Infinity developed this game individually on the pc,360,Ps3.So we don't have to worry about some EA type port-WHEWW!!!

jump in/STAY~B3HIND or jump out/PLAY~B3YOND!

[CaliGamer]

Are the way to tell a systems capabilities, and thats a fact. You ask any developer and they will most likely tell you that working with only one console frees them up to do so much more. Developers are human beings and have to make sacrifices in order to get their product out on time and at a certain level of quality (This is an exception in EAs case). The mentality is to try and get the product similar on each console and deliver as close an experience as possible (See. Oblivion for the PS3 and the patch released for the 360 and PC.), it just makes sense.

As far as consoles go, there is a learning curve and rough spots whenever a new system is launched, shown by the 360's slow start as well as the PS3. Familiarity will bring with it better games and thats a fact, but the real showcase of each system will be exclusives and top developers, they don't make excuses, they make games.

Each system will have their share of not so good exclusive games like Shadowrun for the 360 and Lair for the PS3, but in the end at least these games tried something new which is more than you can say about a lot of developers. As bad as Lair is said to be, one fact is that it was a very good looking game, and has undisputed "next-gen" visuals and sound, all other aspects of the game come down to personal taste, as many people liked Lair and had no problem with the controls.

Asking why COD4 looks similar on the 360 and the PS3 is a ridiculous question, especially seeing that the PS3 hasn't hit 1 year yet. A better question is if the 360 has been out a whole year before the PS3, can we expect the PS3 versions of games to only get better with time? Sony isn't sitting around twirling their thumbs, and neither is MS, and we have seen a lot of developers forgo the usual b!tching about how hard the PS3 is to develop for and getting down to their jobs which is to develop games on the bleeding edge of technology. If tomorrow a new form of steering your car was developed, and it was more responsive than the steering wheel, there would be people who complained about it not being the same as the old way but eventually the benefits of the new way will shine through.

Bash all you want, but remember what the 360 had at this same exact point in its life cycle and then reflect on how bad the PS3 is supposedly doing. Its a great time to be a gamer because this competition is creating insanely good games as is evident with the november and december releases on both systems, not to mention next year.

The media and various other trolls like to act as if Sony needs to prove their success, but they have already turned a profit on their consoles in the past. They have proven their worth to the video game community, while others are still struggling to find their place in the halls of video game greats. Slow starts by no means signify failure as can be demonstrated by all previous Sony consoles, and a head start doesn't always mean a guaranteed victory as can be seen by the fate of the Dreamcast.
Fools predict beyond their own knowledge, while the person with the real sense looks at history to inform their future expectations, but restrains themselves from acting as if life is predictable.

[The Wood]

You've said what I've felt to say soooo many times in response to people with very short memories. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither were the pyramids. I laugh at the people who feel that patience is a sin.

[THE TERMINATOR]

It doesnt look the same though the Ps3 version looks better. Thats the thing that annoys us Ps3 owners, when games look better on our system but it is then down played on purpose, but when a game looks better on 360 every Bot makes a big deal of it. Also to the bot who said "Killzone would look better on 360" you mean Halo 3 better? LOL Killzone would not look half as good on 360 even at 10fps. Its official all xbots are about 10 years old.

[Xbox is the BEST]

game will be out soon. And the 360 version will be the better looking, better playing game.

[power of Green]

Look at you guys in here flappin- posting some supposed quote from IW. lol They didn't say sh8t. The PS3 has better texture and lighting my ass(Memory issues and weaker HDR capabilities makes this hard to blieve vs PC etc. lol

Just wait untill they tap into the PS3 blah blah blah, just wait untill they tap into the 360 aswell son.
They developed all three versions along side eachother the more powerful platforms were the lead so to speak; setting the standard and they worked on getting the PS3 on par barely! from what I read with the other versions.

You really think PS3 sets the standard for PCCCCee!!!! and the more capable 360?. lol PS3's version doesn't seem any different because the PS3 is being taxxxxxed-uck getting it on par with its brethern versions and the other platforms hardware these guys made a promise to the world so they will do anything to get them simular. I doubt PC!!!!!! and the 360 Hardware held back PS3 versions lol.

The devs talked sh*t saying they had an handle on PS3 and they didn't like Epic. All the consoles will be tapped in the future. ATI has said many times the 360 will outperform the PS3 in the future.
IBM has an Image to uphold hence the damage control.

People always missunderstand the 360's earily games of being last generation when devs still had the last generation in mind and had last generation skills(ports and noob skillz in NExt-gen).

Ps3 had no other generation in mind when its games were in development so the high productiuon valued games "started out on PS3" with no devs with last generation skills or agenda's(no 3rd party support) thus tricking weak minded fools in thinking PS3 started out with games far beyond 360 games or close to 2nd gen 360 games starting out.

(MSFT focuses on anybody that can make a game sell can develope on the platform vs Sony's all must be High production value games to prove the supposed power of PS3 thus convincing the PS3 is more powerful attatude).

If the 360 was in the PS3's place when it launched; games like GOW and oblivion etc would have been thought of as the power of the 360 shinning eairly due to them being in the 1st gen game window ofcourse the 360 wasn't delayed and has more 3rd party support with devs with average skills spawing this illusion PS3 fans experiance.

[pandabear]

What are you doing here? I reported you ages ago so don't need to read your drivel and here you are showing up in the messages and spoiling my morning.

Power of Green, you are the weakest link - GOODBYE!!!

[CaliGamer]

I have no idea what the point you were trying to make in that post was, and I am no doctor but I might have a brain tumor after reading what was essentially an assault on all good sense and decency.
That picture looks like the guy from Maroon 5, hahahaha. Looks like he frequents bars with the name Pile Driver, and Back Door, hahahahahaha.
Just kidding, my girlfriend likes Maroon 5, I thought their old CD was better than this new one but hey.
You are tremendously entertaining PowerOfGreen, your like the N4G Ann Coulter.

[Blitzed]

You are sounding more like a rabid fanboy everyday and you're arguments are getting really weak.

Oh, and people were quoting Dailygamer.net, not IW, and provided links.

The Mass Effect pics look awsome, not sure why you posted them, but awsome. IMO COD4 is more likley to get GOTY though.

[Myth]

I understand why 360 owners don't feel a need to buy a PS3 because they do have some good games (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, COD4) plus the ones coming next year) plus the 360 has a lot of games that the PS3 has (GRAW2, Rainbow Six Vegas, Splinter Cell etc.). Right now if 360 owners bought a PS3 they would probably buy HS and maybe Forklore (COD4, Assassins Creed), however that would change in the near future.

That being said I still believe the PS3 is a better buy for people that don't own any console systems yet. Because the graphic quality is only going to get better in games and they do have plenty of support. The back up processors for the PS3 can be used to render graphics. Can you imagine a dual core or triple core video card, because that’s what will make the PS3 very powerful. Both systems will have great games though. Usually I'll build a PC in between each generation of consoles, then when a new console comes out it surpasses my PC. The main reason I didn't buy a 360 is because it did not surpass my PC, which a new console usually does. I don’t feel a need to buy a 360 since I can hook up my PC to my 1080p TV and play Bioshock, Gears of War, and eventually Mass Effect.

[crippler666]

Sorry but, why do trolls claim it doesn't matter about graphics and yet when it comes down to something like this, they look for the smallest of difference to claim victory over the other console?

2 of the best multiplayer games are Halo 3 and Warhawk. I have played both, both are good games and very enjoyable and yet trolls would have you believe thet just because Halo 3 runs at 680p / 24fps it detracts from the fun of the game. Or that because Warhawk is only 800meg of space and no single player that it does not deserve to be called a AAA title.

When are people going to face the fact that just because a game only runs at 30fps if it plays well who cares? People troll the PS3 40gig due to lack of b/c and yet complain if there are a few jaggies or its framerate, well old games have those issues, so why do you need b/c?

IMO trolls only want to justify their purchase. They are not really happy with their games, so they must try and rile people up to make them feel better.

Both console versions of this game will look the part, play as well as can be expected and will be enjoyable to all FPS fans.

[The Wood]

It may not be the games or the machine that their not happy with. Maybe its aspects of their lives, insecurities, general feelings of unimportance, lack of knowledge even lack of companionship be it real friends or a partner(s) that lead people to act a certain way BUT some people do get goaded and react sometimes and thats just human nature to be fair. I understand banter is banter and its fun and all but SOME people have TOO much time to SEEK positive news that doesnt concern them just so they can stick the boot in for the most miniscule and often ignorant reasons. Dont these people have friends or family that own a rival console or something. To the 'f'boys on each side: just try to chill a bit, grow up and stop using the 'they done it first excuse' all the effin time. We are all responsible for our actions (unless you've got something like tourettes)

[Bathyj]

Graphics aside, I've always thought that the biggest difference this gen wasn't going to be the graphics, but the systems behind the game like AI, physics, weather simulations. size a scope of levels and the amount of action going on.

While Gears of War makes for a very pretty screen shot, Resistance was just as impressive to me for the amount of action going on with all those particle effects. The speed and variation of the enemiy AI was awesome too. So while Resistance didn't have texture streaming for that extra shine it looked so good and convinving on the hundreds of details that sold the overall package. I dont want to get in a pissing contest over these games ok, I'm just making a point. Sonys 1 st party games coming out now or soon are just as pretty or more as anything out there, but they also have more to them then eye candy. The animation system in Uncharted is definately a way forward for the industry. The lighting in Killzone is beatuiful. Try watching it frame by frame and watch a muzzle flash throw shadows all over a room.

Dont forget, alot of devs are putting out games on PS3 all but identical, save a few differences to the xbox counterpart and only using the PPU. With all those SPU's working efficiently thers no telling how far this gen can go. PS3 is just getting started. It hasn't even stretched its legs yet.

[FirstknighT]

Why even bother with trying to make advancements with AI. They're trying to make the AI good enough to make human decisions? Well isn't that what multiplayer does? I remember the Halo team was talking about having the ability to play the campaign with actual humans controlling the enemy. I think that would be a better option. AI will never get to the thinking level of an actual human.

[Jones Miller]

Why are there so many graphic whores out there! Why can´t people just pick up a decent game and play? Oh wait that´s the problem. PS3 owners are having a hard time picking up a decent game lol READ ON...

To all the people who took offense take a chill pill! This was only a joke to illustrate how fragile your minds are. OK COD4 looks way better on the PS3. The PS3 is the best, has the best hardware, graphics, AI and are far more superior than Xbox 360. Just leave me be so I can read some proper news without spam comments. I hereby give you the last word...

[CaliGamer]

I quote from one of the more lovable contributors on this site....
"AI will never get to the thinking level of an actual human."
Other famous quotes...
"KZ2 will never look as good as the target E3 trailer."
"The war in Iraq will not last more than 6 months."
"With compression techniques one DVD is enough for any game developers want to make."
Etc, etc, etc.

AI is more important than people think, but in a game, the AI is something easy to overlook because graphics ANYONE can tell that they are good, even non-gamers can tell a game has good graphics, but the subtleties of AI are far less apparent.

Strong statements like those above should always be followed by the warning in the picture I have included with this comment. Without AI, the single player of all games would be useless, and its healthy to keep in mind that thought internet is widespread, there are still people who have no internet or like the single player experience. Not to mention the same person who made the argument about AI not being important would be the first bashing Sony if a game had horrible AI regardless of how good the multi player aspect was. Arguments of convenience, its the bread and butter of the Trolls on this site.

[xav0971]

PC version will blow away anything PS3 or Xbox 360 can come up with.

[supermandead666]

Agree.

[CaliGamer]

But you forgot to add "PC version will blow away anything PS3 or Xbox 360 can come up with" depending on your computer set up. If I have a crappy system I am sure not going to have all the sweet features turned on. And what will a rig that that will blow anything PS3 or Xbox 360 cost? More than a PS3 or 360 for sure.
I would bet that the PS3 and 360 versions will be equivalent to a mid to high end PC, maybe not top of the line but impressive none the less.
Make sure when you make statements such as this, you attempt to give the annotated version of your point rather than omitting facts that would otherwise weaken your argument, or at least make sure your audience can't catch your tactics and call you out on them friend.

[Bolts]

LOL thats like saying the sky is blue, there is no point in making such an obvious statement. PC gamging is all about the hotrods and speedsters, three years old Dell PCs need not apply, and that is exactly what make it so great. Unlike the console world you get exactly what you paid for and the game's performance is only limited by your rig. It is the only platform that is completely future proof.

Having said that the follow games are better on the PCs: HL: Orange Box, UT3, and yes CoD 4. I'm not just talking about minor things like graphics which the PC is naturally better at, but its the big hitters like mods and dedicated servers that set the PC version very far apart.

Really, the 360's HL: Orange Box version can't even touch the PC's. Assuming they will fix the lag issue the Live version of Team Fortress feels empty, 8 vs 8 isn't what TF is all about. If you want to play the real Team Fortress get the PC version and get in on the 32 players game. Its more chaotic and mayhem than you can ever experience on the 360.

[Ahmadinejad]

Well i played it on 2 systems now and the crappy laptop system which cost £600 was unplayable and my pc which costed me around £1200 7 month ago could barely run it with very steady framerate although pretty good. the argument is with £200 u can run it beautifully with no glitch or crashes so there is a clear choice there and have in mind 360 is more powerful than majority of pc systems about even larger numer when comapring GPU chip

[gw4k]

"It was pointed out that CoD4: Modern Warfare looks no better on the Sony PS3 than it does on rival console Microsoft Xbox 360."

Gezzzz, why would Sony have better graphics? Not game currently beats the 360!

[gololo]

Are all fanboys stupid (both 360 and ps3)....when games are multi platform, it means that the base code (including game engine, models, physics, AI) has to work in a broader range of hardware (PC with god knows how many video cards and specs, 360, PS3) so at the end there are almost no difference between these titles to minimize the amount of work when porting(like the article said COD4 looks the same in PS3/360). However, when devs create exclusives is really when you get to see the true power of the hardware, so I expect 360 and PS3 exclusives to shine, look, sound and play better than multi-platform games.

[Saint Sony]

I find it funny he mentions AI and PS3 in same story.

[Ahmadinejad]

SO all the godly superiority talk was dropped and swapped for AI, whats next? come one man, just say the trut for once.

[Maddens Raiders]

Better Pizza. Better Ingredients.

PLAYPA B3JYOHNSD

[Jones Miller]

I´m gonna pick it up for the 360! Why? Because I own one simple as that.

[pilotpistolpete]

Wow, that is actually the most intelligent remark in this thread.

[3sexty rulzzz]

because some of you trolls are dilusional

The PS3’s cell processor has 1 Power PC core similar to that of the 3 Power PC cores sustaining the 360’s 3 core design (without the vmx-128 enhancements available on each of the 360’s cores) and 7 SPE (synergistic processing element). The 8th is disabled to improve yields. One of the SPE is used to run the PS3’s operating system while the other 6 are available for games. The reason the PS3’s CPU will be significantly more difficult to program for is because the CPU is asymmetric, unlike the 360’s CPU. Because of the PS3 CPU only having 1 PPE compared to the 360’s 3, all game control, scripting, AI and other branch intensive code will need to be crammed into two threads which share a very narrow execution core and no instruction window. The cell’s SPE will be unable to help out here as they are not as robust; hence, not fit for accelerating things such as AI, as it’s fairly branch intensive and the SPE lacks branch prediction capability entirely.

[WilliamRLBaker]

AI has been better on the 360, and jade raymond and the folks working on assasins creed say the AI on that game will be better on the 360.

[rowdy 1]

PS3 version looks a little better, but not enough to go apesh1t about. The AI in the Ps3 is fine. You guys are in here spouting off all this tech, and I know there is not a one in here that's developed a game for either system. If you don't own a PS3 you should just shut your mouth because you haven't played any of the games, you're just repeating what you heard or read somewhere. Same goes if you don't own 360. I used to hate on the 360 because it got RROD, but it is an alright gaming system. The PS3 is really shining and doing good things. Though I do feel like the PS3 will be showing off some spectacular graphics in the future. You guys need to stop beetching.

[Myth]

41.1

I didnt read your whole post but the PS3 has 9 SPE, one disabled, one to run OS, so that leaves 7 SPE for games.

[Crazyglues]

The game may look or even play better on PS3 but I'm still buying the 360 version... why? why you say?

Well to that I only have one answer - xboxlive - Yes I never thought I would see the day but here it is, I have no choice but to get he 360 version. Because I have played the beta and one thing that was really clear about COD4 is that you want to play your friends or people that have become your friend while you where playing.

And sadly xbox 360 shines on this aspect. Adding a friend and joining their game is one two three. Not to mention when you kick someones' but online they want to get revenge and so you want to play them again, and again, so you add them to your list of friends. This was so big in the beta, that I would say even if the PS3 version looks better I would still get the 360 one.

COD4 is all about ranking up and playing people on your friends list so you can really get into the game. Random people are fun, but nothing is sweeter then finding someone just a little better then you and then beating them. That feeling is priceless.

So it's sad but true, I will have to get the 360 version because of the nice and easy integration of friends and how sweet it just all works. (Never thought I would see the day that a game would look better on PS3 and I would still get the 360 version)

- hopefully Sony's home will fix this in the future. - and for heavens sake get the dam rumble controllers out already. COD4 with no rumble is like an advance gaming system with no games.

[LONEWOLF231]

Well i for one am happy that the PS3 version is LOOKING great! Considering that COD 3 on the PS3 was badly developed and was the worst of the two platforms! IW is one of the best developers out there and its good to hear that they have put that extra effort many developers lack to make a great looking and fluid action game yet! IW get two thumbs up from me!!!!!! Keep up the good work guys!

[feejo]

Xbox can't have excellent ennemy like PS3 cause lack of Tetraflops.

[LONEWOLF231]

I am sorry feejo but you are gravely mistaken!

[DG]

Im not a fanboy, I am a fan of bluray tech but untill the PS3 is $250, it gets good, no lets make that better games than the 360 and Blu ray wins the HD war ill pass no matter what Sony or thier propoganda PR bots try and tell me different. I will borrow it from a friends when MGS comes out if it does not come out for the 360.

Yours truly a former PS3 fan. I wish Sony all the best of luck.

[Jinxstar]

You know the more I read here. The more I see people moving to a Multi Platform ideaology. This makes me feel good. Everyone would own both systems. There are some Rabid Fanboys but all in all. Both systems have good games and both will do fine. If you really want to play all the good games. Break down and buy both.

[verawarez]

I think sony fanboys wants to highlight promises, lies, and some things that they only see, at the moment the game catalog is really poor, where it is MGS? Grand Turismo? 3 price cuts have a reason to be... the really poor sales? an really big brand name is loosing its console war just cuz they put on their ps3 things that were not needed (like blue ray player) and a proccesor that nobody at the moment and a year of development doesnt meet the gears of war, or bioshock graphics... Ms done a faulty machine but it sells, sony even with high price cuts, has no games and no important sales...

Blue ray is killing the 3rd generation of playstation... and the better graphics promised are not present at the moment...

[jlytle1234]

it hasnt even been a year and there are a ton of great games out.i would know because ive been playing them. The techonology in the ps3 is brand new and thus gets cheaper to manufacture as the process is streamlined. So the price will go down to make a console. and the presence of bluray in the ps3 is a huge selling point for me. And youll have to remember that you criticised the ps3 for its features when youre swapping discs or looking into buying your 720 to keep up with the ps3. and as far as you calling out for the big titles like mgs or gran turismo, so how long did you wait for halo 3?

[SSCOOLCHEA]

the xbot 360 will never beat my NES with mike tyson punch out. The AI there is smarter than any AI for the xbot

[jackie chann]

Reading through this is like replaying the final scene of a movie over and over again. All I ever see is

"The PS3 has better textures and lighting" resembling the last guy saying he's too tough.

Then someone proves that false with

"That was because the 360s build was old when they compared" the good guy beat the last boss.

Then someone repeats the first part, then someone repeats the second part, then someone repeats the first part, then someone repeats the second part etc etc etc.

[Myth]

I understand why 360 owners don't feel a need to buy a PS3 because they do have some good games (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, COD4) plus the ones coming next year) plus the 360 has a lot of games that the PS3 has (GRAW2, Rainbow Six Vegas, Splinter Cell etc.). Right now if 360 owners bought a PS3 they would probably buy HS and maybe Folklore (COD4, Assassins Creed), however that would change in the near future.

That being said I still believe the PS3 is a better buy for people that don't own any console systems yet plus it also has really good games (MotorStorm, GRAW2, TC Vegas, Splinter Cell, Oblivion, Sports games, Folklore, HS, COD4, Assasins Creed, Uncharted, Haze, UT3). Because the graphic quality is only going to get better in games and they do have plenty of support. The back up processors for the PS3 can be used to render graphics. Can you imagine a dual core or triple core video card, because that’s what will make the PS3 very powerful. Both systems will have great games though. Usually I'll build a PC in between each generation of consoles, then when a new console comes out it'll usaully surpasses my PC. The main reason I didn't buy a 360 is because it did not surpass my PC, which a new console usually does. I don’t feel a need to buy a 360 since I can hook up my PC to my 1080p TV and play Bioshock, Gears of War, and eventually Mass Effect.

[zonetrooper5]

Franky most of this sh!t slinging will not happen as much as soon as this site gets one of its first updates which should be coming soon. Yes I know its annoying that me and some other people keep on saying its in the "Beta" and to wait but trust me, I've seen whats coming and this site will only get better. If you don't know, I am a moderator on the N4G forums, so join up there if you want but cause flamebaits or troll and your ass will be banned very quickly.

[R M Spender]

i hope call of duty will be multi platform compatable online! xbox vs sony players would be soooo much fun! that is if any of the freaks in here actually play games or arent afraid to give up they gamer tags. lot of beef would get settled....yep.

[DRE1970]

NOV 2 2007 PS3 BEGINS TO OUT SALE 360. SPIDERMAN 3 BUNDLE BLU-RAY 40GB PS3 $399.00

[Sly]

true... Kahle ...true

[SaMiR111]

XBOX 360 THE BEST! JA AGAIN!

[etownone]

its funny i always thought ps3 would have better graphics and textures than all 360 games.... just like xbox proved in the last gen compared to ps2.

but to date all games look and play better on 360 (except oblivion)

so lets just wait and see the reviews and how they compare.

oh, and i'm getting the 360 version because thats what i own.

[DJ]

Skate, NBA 2K7, NBA 2K8, Burnout Paradise, and a few others I think for the "PS3 looks/performs better" list. For the most part though, multiplatform games are identical on both consoles, as they probably should be.

[skynidas]

COD4 is going to rock!