Gabe Newell: PS3 "a waste of everybody's time" - Edge's interview

Valve Software boss Gabe Newell has slagged off PS3 calling it "a waste of everybody's time" in a latest attack on the console.

"Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they've created", Newell told Edge magazine.

"I don't think they're going to make money off their box. I don't think it's a good solution."

[ktchong]

Sounds like he's having problems working on the PS3 version of the Orange Box, and he's frustrated.

[Violater]

He sounds frustrated about multi-core cpu architecture in general, especially the PS3 as it cannot be applied to anything else, as there is nothing else out there like the cell to develop for.
Hence time put into it will be specifically for it.

"Edge: You’ve been very vocal about PS3’s failings, but it wasn’t that long ago that you were laying into Microsoft for its decision to go multicore with Xbox 360. Has your opinion changed?"

Its all about knowing how to program for the different hardware, some people/companies are just not up to the task, some people are not willing or cannot afford to invest time into RnD.

[VaNdAl]

ea is working on the PS3 version of the Orange Box not Gabe Newell

[VaNdAl]

Gabe Newell: DirectX 10 for Vista was a mistake http://www.heise.de/english... Gabe Newell Explains Why Valve Hates The mac http://kotaku.com/gaming/pl... Newell: Half-Life 2 on Xbox Was a Disappointment http://biz.gamedaily.com/in... Gabe Newell: Xbox 360 Makes My Life Worse http://news.teamxbox.com/xb... Valve’s head honcho and former Microsoft employee isn’t happy

[synce]

Gabe: WAAAH! IT'S NOT A PC, AND I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT! NOBODY LOVES BE BECAUSE I'M FAT, WAAAH!

[th3_d3an]

who is this meatball and why should we care, if you don't like the ps3 then don't develope games for it nuff said, i am sick of this crap and it is ruining gaming.

[AnalFace]

Want another cream CAKE???? The Fat B*tch... PC Nerd... Yep He Knows Nothing.

[marinelife9]

Who whizzed in his wheaties??

[VaNdAl]

Gabe Newell talks trash

[nasim]

Where Square and KOjima have praised the CELL his comments make him look like a complete fool to others

He trashed DX 10 once as well. Is this guy retarded from childhood or is he too old to learn new programming methods

[Panthers]

He is one of those nerds you see in school who acts like he knows everything and is a huge critic of everything, basically bashing everything.

This guy thinks he is perfect and his games are perfect and that is it. But weighing 800lbs would make me hate everything too i guess.

[JsonHenry]

This guy complains about EVERYTHING. I stopped believing him a long time ago when he complains about a product. MutliCore is the future, get over it. I can understand being frustrated with the CELL when doing multi-platform games (almost every dev complains about the CELL)but he complains so much it is just hard to take him seriously about anything.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

very very true.

[Kleptic]

oh yeah this guy is notorious for comments like this...his crap started back in the late 90's when he slammed John Carmack...

he basically attacked Carmack in an interview about Carmack's development of the Quake III engine...and how allowing Carmack to create something for gaming so advanced, then sell it to other developers to utilize...creates an unfair advantage for iD...and sets the visual bar far too high...he has basically said the exact same thing about Crytek recently verbatum...

its always me me me...he has always complained about MS...always about Macs...can't stand the consoles...nothing but contempt for Linux...hates keyboards...can't be in the same room as a notebook coputer...is miserable when creating video games...

the only thing that makes this dude happy is bacon...don't listen to him, and don't you dare feed him...

[ip-student]

Sure Gabe has a history of speaking his mind - but he is a developer - you know, one of those people you want developing games for you. The Orange box is a AAA title - so he obviously knows his stuff.

His complaint cannot be equated with the general complaint about multicore processors - all developers hate that because it add a lot of work. His complaints all seem pretty valid though, WTF did MS provide a next-gen XBOX 360 without a HDD when the last-gen one had it? That adds nothing for developers - it is purely a business move (and a long-term mistake imo - but time well tell).

The Cell architecture is not like other multicore architectures so learning how to make it work does not help you with PC architecture. And given the problems with writing multithreaded code for things like games were so many events are dependent on other events, there is really no advantage to what Sony did. Now I like the Cell, but all the complaints make it fairly plain (unless you are in denial) that it has turned out to be a poor design for a game console. The fact that can make it work doesn't change that in the slightest.

And look at Capcom - stopped developing a game for the PS3 because the cost was too high. It has nothing to do with laziness - it has to do with the fact that if it takes more money to produce a good product then it is worth you don't make the product.

The Wii is very easy to develop for - and the graphic abilities mean you don't have to spend as much time developing artwork. The XBOX 360 is a pain but there are nice development tools. The PS3 is just a major pain.

Disagree all you want but just because a developer says they like a plaform the are developing a game exclusively for doesn't mean crap. It is only when they are developing for multiple platforms that they can speak intelligently about the pros and cons of each platform. Gabe seems to be qualified to complain, even if you think he complains too much.

[The Wood]

agreed

[MikeGdaGod]

did this guy just try to convince me not to buy his game?

[The Brave 1]

maybe if this guy would spend more time exploring the possibilities of the cell instead of eating twinkies all the time maybe he get somewhere.Go get Wii Fit you fat f--k!

[Evil0Angel]

just bought myPS3 and it is amazinggggggggggggg
MS + HS both AMAZINGGGGGGGG
is there any good DL in PsN i should download ?????????

thank u thank u

[PS3n360]

Man all these replies where fantastic. I was having a bad day till I read some of these. Its so fun when everyone is on side and things get lite and the jokes roll out. Bubbles for everyone. Thanks

[joevfx]

i mean as much as i get pissed that he has to whine like this, when every other computer engineer ( gaming or not) says the cell processor is a monster, we cant really call him a meathead. he did prolyl make one of the best gamign engines of all time( source engine) . which led to two of the best gmaes of all time(half life and half life 2). which led to one the of the biggest online games of all time (counter strike). but yeah he has to stop whining about making games for architecture different then a PC.

[randomGuyOnline]

That was one of the most hilarious posts I've ever read.

[zapass]

translation:
"I've always dreamed of making it into the games industry but I had much more envy than talent. Look at me, there's hope, I still made it big fat with another 'doom me-too' using someone else's code, microsoft cash & tools and very little creativity. Now don't change anything otherwise I'm lost and I'll whine like a pig. I hate inovations and changes that force me to think for myself. Why can't I just drag & drop my legacy code onto new platforms and just recompile forever? Why is it so hard for me to be nextgen? Sony you bastards! where's my directx?? why can't we make quake based shooters forever? Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine, life is so hard!"

[kingjk]

dude is a meat head

http://www.gamemanx.com/for...

[secret]

There is one freakin xbot who's following me around clicking disagree on everything I post. The other day, I posted a comedy link that has nothing to do with games, and this guy goes and click disagree.

How do I get rid of him?

[Crazy Larry]

Even though I'm not actually responding to post #1, I thought I would REPLY anyway just so I can be closer to the top of the page. Why you ask...because I'm an attention hungry douche bag who can't start my own comment line. USE THE SITE CORRECTLY LOSERS!!!!! Every one above SHOULD be commenting on post#1, but few are. Did mommy and daddy not give you the love you crave so you have to come to N4G looking for admiration and support...morons.

[BlazinEurasian]

I'm sure Sony, Toshiba and IBM, 3 huge mostly successful companies are going to stop using the cell which took 400 engineers 4 years to complete. Toshiba is already implementing the cell in more products http://www.pcworld.com/arti... obviously these companies believe that the cell will at least find a niche.

[Makroyale]

Hmm.. According to http://www.dailygame.net/ne...

Call of Duty 4 looks better on the PS3 than on the 360. So what he's actually saying is, his studio is not going to learn something new, they're going to do PC to 360 ports and that's it.

They didn't make a Half-life 2 for the PS2 even so what does that tell you?!?!?

They're LAZY!!!

[joydestroy]

@all the fat joke comments.....
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!!!!!!!!!!!

[ravinash]

Its new.
What does he expect will happen in years to come with processors.
the industry is alwas looking for way to push the speed of processors to go faster. If you look at PCs these days, you can see 2, 3 and now even 4 proccessor all rolled into one. So where exactly does gabe think the industry is going.
Far from being a waste of everyones time, I expect this is a sign of whats to come.
The cell is has proven its self to the point that soon there WILL be PCs coming out with them installed...thats fact.
Either you get used to it and adapt or you die. And if it isn't this, then it will be something else...so stop complaining.

[beavis4play]

it sounds like gabe has had some problems with sony and just looking to "get even" by bashing them.
and why is he allowing his beloved half-life to come to the system if he hates it so much?

[ktchong]

$$$

[Bathyj]

Exactly. The machine crap and a waste of time but we made a really good game on it that everyone should buy.

You cant have it both ways.

[Capt CHAOS]

The machine crap and a waste of time but we made a really good game but can't be arsed to port it to the PS3..

Any takers?

EA: Yeah, sure we are good at ports, we can handle it.. Right..

[Odion]

if anyone is allowed to say something about someone else you don't get much higher up then him

[Captain Tuttle]

Oh snap.

[AdolfBinBush]

Hatchetforce 1, Fat man 0

[Kleptic]

@3.1...

10/11/07 ~10:06am EST NA...The single greatest internet post of all time was created...

[MikeGdaGod]

why don't you tell us what you really thing about him. LOL

great post

[Sevir04]

by far the best post ever on a forum for all time i'll copy and past it print it out and frame that...

you truely are one of the best posters here on this forum and this site, which has gone to the dogs who are primarily fankids from both camps notice the word fankids... not fans of the system but rabid fankids who only slag a console, needs more people like you.

ODION lol!!! you should never post here again after that. you just got your ass chopped up and handed to you on a platinum platter with diamonds sprinkled all over it.. LOL!!!!

and to that fast guy just being, well? you guessed it. Lazy!!!!,
we'll just let all the devs that work hard to push the envelope of every console and you could just die of a heart attack for all i care.

hatchet for beautifully composed and well, and masterfully written. i'm going to track you. and here's a bubble for you and everyone thats posted under neath him ^^ good day i say my friend good day.

[green_ghost5]

@ hatchetforce

That was a great post, but you forgot one leading innovative dev. Lionhead!!

[Drano]

Sacrifice a Goat or a virgin in HatchetForce's honor.

Jump Beyond.

[risk]

raped. Bubble

[fopums]

Hatchetforce>>>>ev erything

I give you bubble+ sir and bow.....xD

[Shadow Flare]

Broken down Xbox 360's

[ktchong]

Buying a WaitStation.

You buy one, and then you WAIT for the good games to come out. 2008. Maybe.

PS3 fanboys guys should be worshiping Newell's ass right now, because without his Half-Life 2 and putting up with working on a system he obviously hates, PS3 fanboys wouldn't have another "AAA" title this year. And right now PS3 owners REALLY needs all the "AAA" they can get.

[Shadow Flare]

At least ps3 games use 720p as the bear minimum. I mean what kind of next-gen game uses 640p?...and then makes your 360 RROD

[Odion]

ones that last more then 5 hours?

[Shadow Flare]

....360 games last more than 5 hours odion?

[Odion]

ya, unlike a certian 20 gig game i know, Bioshock, Halo, Blue Dragon, ES, PGR4, they're all real games

[Zhuk]

Xbox 360 offers the true high definition gaming experience and has delivered on its promise of all games running at a variety of resolutions regardless of which kind of TV you own and with little performance impact thanks to the brilliant implementation of a hardware scaling chip, unlike the PS3 which promised 1080p at 120fps but has trouble running Madden at 30fps at 720p.

[andy001]

Been reading that Microsoft Press Release again?

[THC CELL]

waiting for red lights

really spoils the fun u no ur

when ur playing a game like halo god

Beep beep beep

ROD say u need to get laid here is a tip Red light district

[zag]

Ah this guy doesn't like consoles all together.

Also Half-Life 1/2 were orginally made for the PC not a console.

I don't understand how so many people could sit and think MS is the be all and end of consoles, it's like they sudden;ly made some console market out of nothing, yet completely forget that Sony with the playstation re-invented the console market with the whole playstation brand from the Sega and Snes consoles/games.

[Kadajvs]

PS3 having trouble running games at 60fps you're an idiot beyond idiots...it's not the PS3 it's the lazy developers EA came out and said they would run madden on 360 at 60fps because it's easier to do and so they just port it over to the ps3...that's all EA does when it comes to releasing they're crappy games. Develop it for the 360 then port it over to the PS3 they've been doing that since the launch of the PS3 because they're lazy punks and dont wanna take the time to put extra effort in creating a high quality game for the PS3. PS3 can handle anything you throw at it..I havent seen the 360 in which i also own run a game that has like 20million guys on the screen at one time and run smoothly. Heavenly Sword in an example of what PS3 games can do and will only get better with developer kits. When you idiots realize that it's not the system that's making the games run at 30fps or whatnot and it's the lazy developers behind them then maybe you wouldnt be so bias towards one system...M$ isnt paying you a dime to favorite their system and Sony isnt as well so stop wasting your time bashing one system just cause you dont have it or dont like it just be a damn gamer...which is just play games and love it..360 and PS3 rocks..FTW

[Vertius]

Does your TV run at 120fps, Zhuk?

Yeah, didn't think so. There hasn't even been a 120fps TV made yet. The PS3 could quite possibly be capable of running 120fps, but there haven't been enough advancements in TVs to use it. Why, people are taking some time to upgrade to HDTVs as it is.

Madden runs at 720p, 30fps on PS3. Ninja Gaiden Sigma runs at native 1080p at 60fps on PS3.

How you can call a console that doesn't run games in native 1080p a "true high-definition gaming experience" is baffling. It can run games in 720p just fine, but the PS3 would be the "true" HD system.

[progx]

Listening to your f@ggotass whine. Go dust off your ps3 and do some folding@home, thats all its good for.

[xplosneer]

That first thing Valve sent it pretty much to EA to mush together and port code from the first 3 games. I'll be surprised if he worked for more than a week on the PS3 version.

[Shadow Flare]

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[caffman]

most sensible thing you've ever written

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Best Shadow Flare comment ever.

[Dannagar]

Silenced?

[RadientFlux]

Interesting interview the only reason for Gabe's dislike of the PS3 has to do with the Cell processor because it is so different from everything else on the market.

So while developers are trying to learn how to code multi-core processors. They know have 2 different approaches to learn

1) X360, PC, MAC
2) PS3

[Odion]

silly flux no one makes games for the Mac

[VirusE]

Odion that is soooo true. :)

[Ju]

Its not really that much different. Gabe lives in a singular world. He has to accept that the future is parallel. Even new multicore cpus require a different (code) design approach. Just code something straight down without thinking how to do things a bit different doesn't work any more. Sure he complains.

There is a difference in the later implementation between CELL and Multicore, beside the fact that you can't spawn coherent threads across, but need also consider SPU specifics, the CELL also has 6 (! plus one) HW units which run in parallel. Two is easier to design. 4 is a bit more, but now you gotta think about 6 (or seven). This sure is challenging. The design approach however is the same.

The funny thing is his statement:
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...EA has a team doing the PS3 version...[]...But I think it’s harder to get it to the same standard as the 360 and PC versions....
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How can he even say that with 0 (NULL, nada, njente) PS3 development experience ?

[RadientFlux]

@Ju : Thanks for the brief rundown I know nothing about multi-core programming (or programming in general) and it was very informative.

[Bad_Karma]

Looks like Bill Gates over-fed brother .."you want me to diss PS3? ..then show me the twinkies bill !!"

[TheHater]

so F***ing true.

[americanGTA]

who is this? and why should i give a crap? He looks like some kind of supernerd

[TheHater]

he is the creator of Half-life

[sak500]

He's a nobody who has a game called Half Life 2 under his belt which is one of the greatest games to grace the pc and xbox. Now its another AAA title for 360 and maybe for ps3 as well. So who the hell r u?

[Armyless]

on your PC.

[gw4k]

This guy makes some valid points. The Ps3 is riddled with problems and the lack of good games is really hurting the system. I am a Playstation fan but to be honest, the 360 has it beat hands down! There is a reason by Sony is only selling 30,000 systems a month. I mean look at the facts, the GameCube sold better than the Ps3 is!

While it is to late for Sony to start over, they certainly do need to help the developers with their games. All of the delays and crappy conversions are really hurting the system. No game is better on the Ps3, the 360 beats them all.

While there are good games in the works, this will not save Sony.

I read a story recently.....

PS3DO anyone?

I am just glad I have both systems! To bad the only things the Ps3 is good for is movies!

[TheHater]

30,000 systems a month? Wrong dude, that less than half of what it sells a week

[andy001]

If we can agree that the PS3 has sold 5 million systems in its first year then the average number of consoles per week would be 100,000 wouldn't it?

[Blitzed]

In the last hour you've posted-

"I have certainly seen better on the 360."

"MS is really in the lead when it comes to user kindness and really has an online system like no other!"

"If MS can bring this out, you know that it would smack Sony big time! Everything MS brings to market has really been polished and very user friendly!

I say GO MICROSOFT"

Just another Fanboy trying to disguise himself. Then this guy has the gull to post-

"I have both systems and really look at things evenly. The reason your points are so invalid are because your views are so one sided.
There is no need for such one sided nonsense. You are only hurting your own cause!"

All on a brand new account, hmmmmm...

[itsalive]

and since you have a PS3 I am sure you can provide a list of the problems the PS3 is 'riddled' with? How about it?

[athlon770]

I love your comment "All of the delays and crappy conversions are really hurting the system. No game is better on the Ps3, the 360 beats them all."

If, and I stress the if, you truly owned a PS3, you would know only two conversions were bad, Madden Football, and COD3. Both 1st gen games. The rest have either been identical or very close to the 360 version.

[b777conehead]

the only problem the ps3 has is lazy devs not wanting to learn the thing. look at what naughty dog has done with unchater they took the time to learn and dev on the ps3 with great results and will be rewarded with big time sells of the game.now if some of these 3rd party devs would shut there mouths and instead study the ps3 they would be able to make some awesome games and then be able to sell them and make a profit.

[Funky Town_TX]

of the PS3. Just wait. $$$ talks and if they (developers) spend more on R&D then they get back in games then they will not make games for the PS3. You Sony guys need to understand that. Last I checked Sony guys did not buy games. Maybe in 08 that would change. If I was making a game in 07 for it I would be worried.

[sloth4urluv]

OMG some one else with a brain that realises that these people are actually trying to make a profit.

[Armyless]

I'll wait for your response.

[athlon770]

So in your logic, and sloth's, there should not be any growth in the gaming industry, no new innovations. Just stagnation? OK, so general rule of thumb, a gaming console is only as good as the software it runs, correct? We can all agree on that right? So if company 'A' decides that the PS3 isn't worth developing for, what about the next generation which will still be a multicore system. The 360 is already a Multicore system, it is just that Sony bumped it from 3 to 7. Yes it will be difficult at first, but without growth where are you? You guys need to learn while a company is in business to make money, without taking a leap of faith in programming, we would not have the UT engine that drives some of the better games on the 360.

[Funky Town_TX]

why can't innovation involve better user tools. Lets all go out and hand crank our cars to start them. Lets all run windows 3.1. Bottom line is $$ drives the world. Innovation is great but at what cost. Would it be more innovative for Sony to make a console with raw power or for them to make a console with power and give people the ability to use the power. We are games not programmers and coders working of PS3 and 360 games. Don't talk to me go buy PS3 games. This is the best way to reward those dev spending time on SPE's.

[athlon770]

But I am not saying run out and buy every game for the PS3 to show the programmers that "hey, this is a happening system, maybe I should take the thumb out of my butt and do something". All I am saying is some of the comments above including yours make it sound like a this idiot must be right because he IS a programmer and because HE says the PS3 ain't worth a hill of beans, well I guess we should all jump on the band wagon.

This guy reminds me of a story...ever read it..."The boy who cried wolf"?

There is a lesson in there somewhere, and quite possible a lesson that needs to be taught again.

Consols update every 5 - 8 years, and with those updates come innovation. Did Sony bite off more than we can chew? Well, the PS2 was the same way, anyone care to remember how much flak Sony got with that system? There is also a learning example here for Sony, don't get me wrong. They need to step up to the plate and offer these game developers some major assistance on working with their hardware and not push out this powerfull machine and say "humph, if you want to develop your games for our system, learn the hardware...we can't hold everyones hand with this". Well apperantly Mr. Newell needs his hand held...and a few other developers as well.

[Mr VideoGames]

i don't know why nobody else can see it they should of not put the Blu-Ray or Cell Processor in it, SONY will never make Money off it there just Digging them self a Gigantic Hole and Microsoft is getting ready to Bury'em and the Wii has a Shovel and there helping them Bury it too LOL!!!

[andy001]

Microsoft have yet to make a penny out of its 360 yet. I wonder what will happen if Microsoft do not make any money in this generation. Will the shareholders and senior management allow the console business within Microsoft to continue, or will they go back to their software roots?

Just a thought.

[Mr VideoGames]

this is only Microsoft's second console and if it wasn't for the "Red Ring of Death" Tragedy they would be taking in Massive Profits but what they make off XBOX LIVE and there Games fill in that Hole cause there making Plenty Money off other things within there Gaming Division, and nobody can tell Microsoft to stop making Consoles only Bill Gates can.

but SONY has been ion the game far too long to be doing so Crappy as they are now if anything i think they might Drop out of the Video Game Industry before anybody else BY FAR.

[TalyngarTheBlack]

You're right this is only their 2nd console. But I forget how did Sony's 2nd console do again? How did the first one do? Oh thats right they are the 2 highest selling consoles of all time.

[andy001]

No worries videogames4life, you obviously know more about this than I do.

All I will say is that the 360 was supposed to be making a profit by now, and the gaming division is making a big hole in Microsoft finances, a hole which is supposed to be filled by Office and Vista, both of which are being attacked by Open Source alternatives (and Vista is finding it hard to be XP to be honest)

In the end the business needs to make a profit, and its the same for Sony. Sony however, did make a profit on their first console and are still making profits on their second console. They are now already finding ways to cut costs on their 3rd console and still keep the core features intact (Cell, Hard Drive, WiFi, Blu Ray), whereas Microsoft are still struggling in this regard.

I couldn't care less, I own all the consoles, this gen (except the Wii) and last gen, but trying to be objective, Microsoft cannot (and will not be allowed) do this for ever.

[Jack Bauer]

someone needs to go out and say "Gabe Newell is a Fat Piece of shi*" and see if he starts bashing everyone like a kindergardner...

[HarryEtTubMan]

Because he's a PC developer...duhhh the 360 uses all Pc parts. The ps3 is a true console that is made to last a long time as a good console should, and they do this by using hardware that can be tweaked...no just a graphics card, like the one thats about to 4 years old next year haha. Ofcourse hes been gripping its more difficult on the PS3 to develop, especially using PC equipment on a real console... and maybe also because they're such a small company

[TheZippo]

The PS3 was built to try and push blu-ray and the cell. It wasn't made from the ground up for gaming.

Here's a question, does Sony know how to program for the PS3? They should so why aren't they putting some people in there to help the developers get their games out? Wouldn't that only help them? They went in with Heavenly Sword and supported that why not with others?

[THE_JUDGE]

What the hell are you talking about? The PS3 was made for gaming period. Sony put some of the most cutting edge technology into the machine. Trying to say they made it just for the Cell and Blu-ray is ridiculous. The PS2 had DVD's and backwards compatability and no ones accusing Sony of trying to push movies on people or old video games. Sony is helping devs with support. They helped Epic with the Unreal Engine 3 and I'm sure they are putting their two cents in the formation of Unreal 4 engine. This is the same thing that happened with PS2, and as lame as it sounds, things will get better over time.

[P4KY B]

I think not.

So if he's telling the truth, then that means.......

[PimpHandHappy]

What the makers of HS warhawk and RFOM think about the PS3? I know what the dude who makes MGS thinks. He thinks they dropped the ball on luanch and he is right. He also thinks its a system that has endless potential.

I'm starting to think some of these ppl own shares in MS or something. I guess we will see if the PS3 orange box is crap compared to the 360 version.

ADD ON: gw4k you havent seen anything better then Warhawk on the 360. The 360 doesnt have a 32person frantic war game without lag. They dont even have a shooter with 32players do they? Are you telling me Halo blows your mind? Turn on RFOM and you will see it looks better online and has 20on20 madness. The 360 can barley handle 8on8! YEA YEA YEA LOOK AT HUXLEY

i looked at it and the box art looks silly....lol....its all they have right now

[gw4k]

These are not bad games, and to be honest, they are pretty good. But the truth is, neither is mind blowing. Neither have really really good graphics. While both have nice touches, I have certainly seen better on the 360.

I think it is funny how people keep saying, oh they must own stock in MS. That is bs!

If a developer says the Ps3 is no good, that is because they know what they are talking about! They make the games, you do not. You may think you understand but you don't. You may think you are smarter and can make a better game, but you can't. Drop the fan boy crap and lets be honest!

[Rooted_Dust]

I love my PS3, but I can sympathize with Gabe on this subject, because Sony did choose to be different and implement a new technology that no one outside of Sony's own development houses knew how to work with. By doing that they alienate a lot of developers, because after they learn to use the Cell processor they cannot use that knowledge anywhere else.

[lonestarmt]

"These are not bad games, and to be honest, they are pretty good. But the truth is, neither is mind blowing. Neither have really really good graphics. While both have nice touches, I have certainly seen better on the 360. "

haha really?? gears of war and bioshock is better than fall of man, but thats it. Halo 3 is not. What game is like warhawk on the 360?? a huge multiplayer game with 32 players at a time? there isn't. I don't think you have played warhawk on a tru HD tv or you couldn't say that. There are maps on warhawk that could be bigger than somes halo 3 levels.

[TheZippo]

The Metal Gear Solid guy is a genius he can take any system and make a game look awesome on it. Look at what he done on the PS2, nothing looked better than MSG.

[Armyless]

Kind of like developing for the Wii or PS2 huh?

[Rooted_Dust]

PS2 used standard architecture for that time and the Wii is still pretty much the same as the Gamecube just with a new input device. That doesn't compare to the differences between the PS3 and every other game platform out currently.

[Bleyd]

wasn't a standard architecture. It was extremely different from everything else. This is why everyone kept saying that developing for the PS2 was so hard. The processor for the PS2 was very foreign to PC programmers at the time. Which is why they needed to publish this kind of stuff: http://playstation2-linux.c...

The developers for the PS2 couldn't use their newly earned knowledge anywhere else. They could only use it on the PS2. As I recall it really didn't cause too much of a problem in the long run for PS2 development.

[Zhuk]

Only Xbox 360 has been designed with developers in mind, not only is it the most powerful next generation system it also is the easiest to program for and the most efficient gaming, especially compared to the PS3 which is poorly designed as a games machine and this shows when you have people like Gabe Newell and John Carmack, two gods of the gaming industry calling out the PS3 for the mess that it is.

The 360 dev friendly design helps keep next-gen development costs down while pushing the limits of graphics and gameplay. The PS3 only frustrates third party developers who find it a poorly designed mess which is a testament to the arrogance of Sony and they are paying for it when you see that the Xbox 360 ports not only look better but run better too.

[squallsoft]

yea its just too bad they already have tapped 90% of the "more powerful" XBOX360 and only 20% of the "inferior" PS3. its funny that no one ever points out that the PS3 can almost keep up with a console that developers have had more time to play with! lol

developers have been programming for the 360 for 3 years and only just under a year for the PS3. and PS3 games look almost as good at only 20% of the PS3's total power! its a joke.

and i dont believe he said the PS3 was a "mess". he just said that its a pain in the ass to program for. same stuff was being tooted by developers about the PS2 AND SNES for that matter. and we all know how those systems turned out...

I would sooner compare PS3 to the SNES than to the 3DO. damn xbots love your flame wars, dontcha?

[Jack Bauer]

idk bout that multiplatform games i noticed last gen usually scored higher on the xbox, yet they had less time to develop for it... i dont really think time with the system matters...even so the multi games of this gen are all scoring higher then the PS3 versions which in some cases are released later like skate.

[Ju]

The rating is not consistent. Examples are Dirt and Graw2 (multiplatform, better PS3).

Time is an issue. As always. It was in the past, it will be in the future. I would say all of the developers have covered the their basics right now. If you look at the PS3 as a monolithic single core machine with a (NVidea) GPU (a 7900 or so), you can very quickly get results and it would probably allow you to get something (existing) to the market pretty quickly.

Some studios started earlier to fully utilize the SPUs, some are there right now. The difference is Ratchet&Clank or Uncharted vs. the Orange Box. These guys, however, invested into CELL optimization about 2 years ago, while some are doing this right now. Funny thing is, the later complain.

[PS360WII]

okay so Epic says there's no money in making Wii engines and Value says PS3 is a waste of time. Lets see those two article have been brought to our attention as of recent... and who says this site is anti Microsoft?

Ah well he isn't alone in that thinking. A lot of devs have said it's hard to work with PS3 hardware. That's because it's new. They are the ones wasting time just complaining about it rather than how other developers just shut up and dig in. Did Ninja Theroy, or Bethesda, or even Team NINJA have troubles or took the time to say 'but it's so hard...' yea they didn't. It's hard because it's new and while it would be nice to be easier this is still your job to create games even if you *gasp* need to learn a new trick!

[picker332]

He is a pc fanboy.He dusn't really like console's.
Haven't even give it a try,Eccept hl2...
Dumb f!ck in my opinion.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

you said 180 is the most powerful next gen machine? maybe in last gen gaming machines, but ps3 is the ONLY next gen gaming machine

[gw4k]

This is really an uneducated post!

[wageslave]

You know, of all the infantile "He's lazy, fat and stupid" nonsense in this thread, only your FUD drivel is worth addressing.

Every analyst -- NOT SONY MARKETING -- has said the two machines are roughly equally powered. Get that. Re-read it. Dont read Sony's 4D marketing drivel and think you've bought a goddamn supercomptuer. Its a game console. It is roughly equal to the Xbox 360 in computational power.

What did IGN say? "CONCLUSION: When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment."

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but you've been fed *another* line of BS from Sony Marketing. This is their *standard* sales approach. Its clearly false and misleading, but "you" buy into it every time.

That said, Game consoles are about software. They are computers. Not anti-matter plasma reactors. Its a F-ing computer.

What has the Game Development Industry said CONSISTENTLY about the PS3? That is is a bad design. That it is a mistake. That the development tools are lack-luster.

What did iD's John Carmack say about the Xbox 360 vs. Playstation 3?
"the best development environment" he's seen for a console. "the 360 is my favorite next-gen console".

Now, Gabe Newell -- another very respected developer -- comes and says "the Sony design was a mistake".

Its not *news* this is well known. It has been since launch. And every post in this forum seems to be ignoring that Newell's opinion is the concensus.

Dont come and tell me how developers of PS3 exculsives were saying wonderful things about, almost *EVERY* mutli-platform or large-scale firm that works on both is saying the same thing: Sony made design mistakes that are not worth the effort to overcome.

And, regarding "lazy" developers and "effort". Time costs money children. This fact (t==$) is *also* why BR isnt relevent, creating all that content isnt going to happen -- games have _budgets_.

You're all pretending that Newell is alone or unique in his opinion. He's not the first to say this, it has been the consistent opinion of the Game Developer Industry since day-1.

Grow up and accept it.

[Ahmadinejad]

hmm, i like the way people start "slagging" him off cause of this in any way, waht u ahve to remmeber is this guy's contribution to the whole developing industry and the experience he has. when he says something about a hardware it is not gonna be like some of the 14 year old mouthing off, its a serious guy in the industry with money invested into developing for PS3. People shoudl at least listen to him and believe it a bit not just run with flamethrowers. the architecture got problems, enarly everyone say it. they should start putting tools as middleware to mask these problems and provide good solutions. think before you post please for once

Also i am not fat it any way but the fat jokes are seroosuly old man, expand ur vocabulary and ur vision and maybe there would be some good contriibution here, Violator made a really good point then the rest is jsut b*tching and throwing handbags

[Marty8370]

The guy simply lazy programmer who don't like change. While other devs get to grips with PS3, he will get left behind. What a moron.

[squallsoft]

yea its just too bad they already have tapped 90% of the "more powerful" XBOX360 and only 20% of the "inferior" PS3. its funny that no one ever points out that the PS3 can almost keep up with a console that developers have had more time to play with! lol

developers have been programming for the 360 for 3 years and only just under a year for the PS3. and PS3 games look almost as good at only 20% of the PS3's total power! its a joke.

and i dont believe he said the PS3 was a "mess". he just said that its a pain in the ass to program for. same stuff was being tooted by developers about the PS2 AND SNES for that matter. and we all know how those systems turned out...

I would sooner compare PS3 to the SNES than to the 3DO. damn xbots love your flame wars, dontcha?

[Ahmadinejad]

Where are u getting this 20% from?

[gw4k]

That is a good fan boy post!

It is these types of one sided views that really make you a good candidate for the www.playstation.com forums.

If you can handle honesty about the systems, leave this site!

[squallsoft]

honosty? here is where i got those numbers from noobs

http://www.gamepro.com/comm...

[Dareaver1]

Wow, that's your source, anonymous.... At least this developer is not scared to show his face, and you come with a post from an ANONYMOUS DEVELOPER. And then, not only that, you got it from Gamepro's website. Yeah, your a real gamer.... This developer is sharing his concerns about the console, he said he was worried about the 360 architecture being multi-cored, but then became excited about it. The same might be said about Sony's console, but enough with your Sony Fanboy rants, and your ANONYMOUS DEVELOPER'S... that's just too funny.

[Ahmadinejad]

A annonymous developer said yesterday that: "nintendo Wii has been completely mistaken to be the elast powerful, actually we only been using 1% of the 128mb of ram"

[Nicosia]

"Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else.'' ... huh? lets say you created something with blood,sweat and tears isn't it a little easier to create it the second time (because you know the pitfalls)? Isn't it the same reason you create pc-games don't you?

From the articale a line realy struck me:
"But I think it's harder to get it to the same standard as the 360 and PC versions", Newell said.

i think nobody read it, but brace yourself for hell.

[Bathyj]

Everytime I hear a developer whine about the PS3 and how its too hard or not worth the effort for the results, I take comfort in Media Molecule and their team of, what was it 8 people at the start?

Yeah too hard, why even get out of bed in the morning if its so hard. I thought game designers were artist and would relish challeges but it seems most went to the EA school of low effort, mass production game design.

[games4fun]

"I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over", he said in January.
I knew this was already posted a while back even the comments on this board seem the same both the source and the person who posted this should be ashamed of themselves this isn't news its a waste of time this was on the site janurary look its coming out, the orange box, lets grab that statement he made a while back great news im glad this is somehow news even tho news has the word new in it. as in not known a while back like as far back as f#kin janurary.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

he said the EXACT same thing about ps2.
and if it wasn`t him it was a bunch of other people.
that said the SAME thing about ps1.

[Nodoze]

Spoken like a true former MS payrolled employee.

Gabe is more than likely expressing his frustration for having to touch consoles at all. He and his team are PC devs at heart, and are probably upset at the state of PC gaming. In this gen the money is on the consoles (to the tune of 59 bux a pop). He is also probably upset that he cannot use SCREAM (what a hokey hunk of shiot this is) to distribute orange on the consoles.

While I loved Half Life 1..Half Life 2 was a real let down. What the hell was with the convoluted story?

He needs some cheese to go with his whine. Oh wait he has had MORE than enough cheese...

I bet Microsoft Bob would run really well on the PS3.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[squallsoft]

careful what you say, the xbots dont think its ok for us to defend our 500 dollar purchases!

[ulath666]

Wrong. The PC market is bigger than any console.
The problem with the "comparisons" you read is that it takes ALL consoles vs PC, which isnt fair.
The PC market is way bigger than any console. Here in sweden the pcgames stand for more than 50% of all sales. more than all consoles combined. Its the same in many european countries. A little different in america but still, pcgaming is bigger.

And most of you misses the point.

What hes saying is IF youre going multiplatform, why spend money and time doing games on the PS3 when you have to write the game over since its so entirely different, when you can develop it for PC and almost get the 360 version for free?
You all must understand that Valve is a PC developer. That wont change.
We may see multi platform releases from them but any console exclusive from valve is far off.
So the thing here is time/cost/profit, its going to take time better spent on something else for valve to make a PS3 version. Its going to add to the costs since you have another development process. There fore the profit is less, and since the PS3 version problably will sell less than the other two its quite off putting to consider it.

Think of it like this.
Youre a painter. You create what you consider a masterpiece on an ordinary canvas.
You dont have any trouble painting the same painting again on another similar canvas.
But then there are some people who wants you to paint it on a wooden plank.
Its going to be harder, Its not going to be as rewarding, and you have to compromise/rethink parts of your painting because the wooden plank doesnt have the same properties as the ordinary canvas.
This is the PS3s problem.
A painting made solely on a wooden plank... i mean a game made exclusivly for PS3 have the potential for being great. But for multiplattform games the ps3 is a disaster. Its going in a totally different direction than the pc/360 market. Learning to code for it wont get you anything in the other two platforms an will probably be useless when the next gen of consoles arrive.
The time and money you need to spend to get enough experience fo fully use the PS3s power (in a couple of year or so, read below)for a multi plattform company isnt really worth it from many of the developers standpoint.
THAT is the biggest flaw in the PS3.
The PS 2 didnt take 5 years to master. it took a couple of years to master, everything beyond that is hacks and compromises made to get stuff thats been implemented on newer systems (Pc/xbox). Like the fake bloom in eeeh whats that game called where you fight really huge giants? You all know what im talking about. That one. Its a hack made to look like bloom/HDR on hardware that isnt capable of it. Sure it may look nice but youre already way behind the other plattforms with native support for the effects.

Valve is as i said mainly a PC developer. The games theyve released have been awesome on a PC. I had my doubts in the beginning of Ep 2 but defending the cavern with warning lights form antlions made me feel right at home. Stuff like that make their games feels so right. And TF2 Is the most fun ive hap in MP since the relase of Bf2. Everything is almost perfectly balanced, no class i useless and played right you can kill any other class. Definitly the mpgame of the year.

Gaah this got long. I was only going to write a short comment :(

[Marty8370]

Devs said the same with the PS2. Yet devs percievered and made some of the best looking games on it. This guy is a lazy programmer, who would rather do an easy port PC to 360 than entertain a challege in doing a PS3 game. The guy will be left behind as he's not perpared to change his old ways.

[Real gamer 4 life]

This guy is acting like a little girl. IF you have problems with something ask for help, but dont go talking bad about the ps3. Yes the ps3 is differrent to develop games for then the 360 and pc, but that does not make it a waste of time. Is just a learning curve you have to go through. And may i remind you guys that the ps2 was also hard to develop for in the beginning of its life cycle, and look at how that turn out to be. Some developers praise the ps3 while others Sh!t on the ps3.

[cheetorb]

He's a fat lazy bastard who doesn't want to bother with new architecture, he'd just rather stick with the same old. I guess that works if you want to keep making rehashes of some game you made 10 years ago or whenever half-life came out. Once he gets low on donuts he'll come around. It's all about our glorious god the almighty Dollar.

[Neurotoxin]

Hey its the guys opinion, even if you agree or not. He has slammed xbox360 on more than one occasion also. He just likes to whinge, and is a PC Loyalist.

The 360 and pc versions will be superier, i mean jesus wept EA are at the helm for the ps3, but saying that this game is two years old now, isn`t it time valve started a new project and not just expansions?

You know what would be a refreshing change? If when news is reported there isn`t some childish flame war regarding whos got a better console.

[squallsoft]

i agree, opinion peices are getting really old. also, its sad that people report opions as news. it should say: "Opionion: headline"

[CrazzyMan]

After releases of MGS4, FFXIII, KZ2, GT5, Team Ico game, Wardevil and other amazing games. =)

[TheZippo]

MGS will be awesome and whatever the ICO team come up with will be awesome. They done stuff on the PS2 that was never done by anyone else. However the other ones.. i just don't know. Even Final Fantasy, seems all Square wants to to is CG and not polish the in game graphics. So I can't wait to see if they remedy that.

[Bullseye]

whine about whining developers......Enough already! It's not the devs,well, not all of them.If you design something that isn't industry standard tech, you can't then whine when not everyone shares you vision of a better architecture.Ps3 may or may not be more capable,but if devs don't care, it doesn't been they are lazy or useless,it just means they don't care!!

[gw4k]

I am really surprise by all the 360 haters.

I have both systems and really look at things evenly. The reason your points are so invalid are because your views are so one sided.

You can not claim the PS3 the best system of all time because you have one. haha

You all really need to grow up, step out of your boxes and take a real look around you and then post.

There is no need for such one sided nonsense. You are only hurting your own cause!

[Armyless]

just how one sided you yourself are.

[PimpHandHappy]

most ppl in america look like this guy. Dont judge ppl by looks kid.

im a bit fat but this guy does make me feel good.

most ppl that post on this site are fat and if there not they are weak and feeble.

[sleepbox]

He knows it isn't going to make him much $ on PS3 either due to the low installed base.

[thornh]

and close your mouth. It is obvious (look at the picture of Mr. Newell) that Gabe has made a good living developing games for the PC (aka Windows, aka MS). That's great for him and his company. If he wants to continue down that road I'm sure he will be able to maintain his girlish figure. The problem is if all programmers and developers thought like Mr. Newell the Atari 2600 would still be the #1 console! Instead of Half Life 2.2 we would be playing Space Invaders 73.

Gabe, I think it's time to put you out to pasture. We may run out of grass, but at least we'll have some new ideas coming out of the barn.

[khellendros1]

It's funny how people see what they want to see. You have numerous articles stating that the Cell processor is a beast and yet you have one guy says that it's not and people take it as fact. You have developers that develop for both consoles stating that it's outstanding.

Here's a couple of articles:
http://n4g.com/tech/News-68...
http://n4g.com/tech/News-70...
http://n4g.com/tech/News-61...

[RadientFlux]

Gabe never said that the Cell processor wasn't a beast he just doesn't like it compared to other multi-core processors

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

stop saying consoles, there are only 2 consoles in the next generation, the 180 and the wiik

[Dareaver1]

almost as bad as Nasim.... And that's something to be ashamed off, why don't you just stay on topic and post a rebuttal or agreement about the story. The guy is giving his honest opinion, and guess what, no matter what you say, it really doesn't matter because you are not part of the industry. But he is.... Sony wasn't developer focused when they released the console, that's why they had to go back and develop some middleware for the developers that were screaming, Need some assistance, Sony! They really have to step up their developer relationship if they hope to turn things around for their console since they believe that it has unlimited potential. Got to help the people that make the games for their system. That would make sense right. They should be in developers faces like a butler, "Do you need something, is there something i can help you with?" like that, at the developers every beck and call.

Oh, and to all those that disagree, at least i am mature enough and educated enough to express my reasons for disagreeing....

[Ghoul]

Gabe would certainly send all cakes and candys to hell and swear they are horrible and a waste of time, but he stills eats to much of em.

gabe is known for speaking very loud :)

[Jesse]

Good job Gabe, you actually made me consider NOT buying your game because of you ignorant statements.
I cant imagine how Gabe came to the conclusion programming for EXISTING TECHNOLOGY would be easier, Hmmm I wonder why.
Could it be that because its EXISTING TECHNOLOGY there is little to no learning curve involved, thus it is quicker/easier to program for.. maybe we should ask Gabe.
This is a real eye opener!!
So basically what Gabe is saying is NEW TECHNOLOGY is BAD because its HARD to learn and takes more time and effort... weird.

Kudos for OrangeBox, it looks awsome but please stop trying to give finacial advice.

[Mwaan]

Has complained about PS3 development. Could this be the REAL reason why Sony lost all their exclusives? I'm sure the installed base of 360 and Wii was a factor, but maybe it's just to difficult. It will be interesting to see how all the delayed games turn out. Although, with EA working on the Orange Box port, I don't expect it to be the smoothest experience.

[crazy25000]

he probably needs to eat more cake...worthless piece of $%#$%

[khellendros1]

@Radient

He doesn't want to take the time to learn something he can't apply to something else. The only thing that tells me is that he just wanted to make money off Half-Life2 and he doesn't plan on developing any other games on the PS3. That's fine but don't slander something just because you want to make a quick buck off of it and and you found it harder to do. Anyone whose planning on developing for the PS3 for the next several years would obviously not consider it a waste of time.

[cooke15]

He's right. No one is making money off of PS3.

[achira]

wow, this big fat ms employer (some years ago) should check his brain.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Of course achira comes out with his classic witty comments!

[pwnsause]

this guy does realize that User Generated content is allowed on the PSN right??? I mean if CS:S was on the PS3, people would be making maps to play it all the time.

[Whoooop]

They know how to counter SONY's price drop on the PS3... A nice bundle and some money bags to analysts and developers to try and convince consumers once again why they don't need to buy a PS3..

Damn this MS is good...

[s8anicslayer]

gabe is peter jackson's evil twin brother!ms loves to pay off companie's to give comp a bad name and that's a fact!that fat be$tard really needs to only open his mouth when he's ready to feast,and his gripe is because he's having trouble porting almost 3 year old technology onto a very complex machine(EA anyone).it's disturbing that how some dev's are just in this game for cash instead of the future of our industry.my inturpritation of his statement is this "I'm not very good at challenges,but since we delayed the ps3 version because of madden reasons,doesn't mean I can't make a better game then half life 2"this guy is peter moore's puppet and have we forgotten that peter moore is at ea and valve is owned by ea!

[AliC]

Yawn another Gabe hates this, his list is getting rather long now.

Next month Gabe hates his mother.

[jackdoe]

That's nice to know Gabe. Why don't you stop making comments like this and work on Half-Life Episode 3 instead? It was supposed to come out this year according to the original plan.

[bednet]

The Source engine cost Valve tens of millions (from their own pocket) and it was not designed from the start with multi-core in mind (my guess)...basically they blew their money on an engine that is already outdated...I'd be mad too, but he's basically burning his bridges here.

Suck it up Gabe, multi-core architecture ain't going away...is that a Quad Core that I hear humming?

[PopEmUp]

Shut up fat bastard and stop f**kin talking Sh*t and start acting like mature adult not like whining like a 5 years old, oh where my mommy I can't my mommy sh*t like that is childish grow up fat bastard

[ShAkKa]

why waste time saying this? the answer, this guy is a noob that just want some attention and like Ted Price(insomniac) said the ps3 is the bleeping boy this days.
This are the times that you recognize that 3rd party developers are loyal to money and not gamers, they complaint that the ps3 isn`t selling well but they delay the games for the sistem ,make crappy ports even knowing that it is the more powerful machine out there,they release demos for x-box live and not psn ,downloadable content for 360 but not for ps3 then they are silly enought to complaint that the ps3 isn`t selling well. well i got something to say to you Newell and the rest of complainers >GO FLUCK YOURSEVES!<

[Almighty]

That's the sad truth folks.

[Genki]

but he's stating this as if EVERYONE will feel this way, when this is simply untrue.

Enough devs have stated that they enjoy working on the PS3, and that it's not a waste of time b/c there's so much more that can be done with it.

Newell may be one of our contemporary geniuses, but he can't speak for everyone. The progress that other development teams have shown make his statements moot for anyone else. It all depends on the developers.

[itsalive]

He should be in heaven when Intel releases the 80 core beast they have been playing with for the past few years....
It goes without saying that developers who are technically competent will get the most out of the Cell. Those that can't code without MS's GUI based IDE environments will suffer.

[fredy]

we have been hearing this for a while about the Ps3 architecture. It's nothing pretty.

Of course Fanboys come out with comments like "whos this guy?" Maybe they never played half-Life which some of you calling it the greatest FPS.

Dev have opinions and they are the ones that have worked on games, not stupid fanboys. not sure why would anyone listen to fanboys on here.

The ps3 is a waste of time, and especially for small dev firms. the big ones have the money and backing and resources but in all, we will see what happens.

[dangerstepp]

It's a waste of time AND money.

Get it right next time, Gabe!

I'll be enjoying Orange Box today on my 360!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeee

[BloodySinner]

What I find amusing is that most of you are mocking his weight. Which I'm assuming that's coming from PS3 owners. However, I get the strong impression that most of you aren't "good looking" either. :-P

[u got owned]

lol...

[Kholinar]

I'm sick of it.

Developers are a lot that touts innovation but if anything isn't precisely to their liking they throw a fit.

I'm not a huge ps3 fan, though I'd like to get one, but all this is just an excuse for being little princesses. Won't work on a multi-core system cause multi-threading is tooooooo haaaarrrrrrd. Won't work on the wii cause it's not sparkly enough for them. Don't like the 360 cause the ps3 is the future, blah blah...

Then what's worse is that fanboys jump on all the comments against their fave system to hate.

Note to developers... gone are the days of huge, single-processor boosts. Get used to thinking differently.

[Aass]

is fat and ugly.

[stuntman_mike]

gabe newell is there anything he likes...apart from his dinner!!!

[DeZimatoR]

Nuff' said ;)

This guy is a joke... I think he's up there with Itagaki for the prize for the 'Dev who runs his mouth off the most'.

Yep, I think he is.

[cooke15]

Yeah your right and he's wrong.. he knows nothing about game development and the industry.. he has only created one of the best FPS series. I agree with you completely. :|

Seriously sony fanboys, he woulnd't say this for no reason.

Developers are NOT making money off PS3, its easier to develop for 360 and Wii and both have proven to be viable consoles for development. PS3 is just a conglomerate of mistakes by sony and developers are going to have to pay the price, as well as gamers who bought it early.

[Mr PS3]

And comfort that fat a$$ of yours with lots of your favourite food(the list would be endless) And keep on checkin all them porn sites tonight fat boy cause thats about as close as your ugly huge a$$ is gonna get to some action ok there you fat ugly smelly sleazy equater havin a$$ pile of jurassic cr@p

[Meus Renaissance]

We're all very well aware of the difficulties of getting some developers up to speed with the technology on the console but this scathing attack on the hardware is probably the first of this nature that I've ever come across by someone who is actively working on the platform. It's clear that he's frustrated with not being able to get the ideas they want to work on the PS3 as well as the other console but I'm personally not worried. The gap Multiplatform games has noticeably decreased over the past few months, especially if you compare some titles that came out early in the year.

This isn't an issue of the feasibility nor quality of Sony's hardware in the PlayStation 3 but how quickly and how effectively they can support these Dev's to try and, firstly, optimize their applications on the hardware, and then secondly take advantage of the extra processing power. 1st party developers, and even 2nd party developers like Insomniac and Naughty Dog are ahead of the others and that's not surprising considering their familiarly with Sony hardware. The quality of games shown in e.g. KillZone 2, GT Prologue, Uncharted and Square employees praising the technology for their upcoming Final Fantasy games; no one can justly dismiss it.

But Sony must take blame for not getting their act together to provide such support and cooperation for 3rd party developers. Hopefully their new "partnership" with Epic's Unreal Engine being optimized especially for the PlayStation 3 architecture will resolve this issue soon.

[wageslave]

"scathing attack on the hardware is probably the first of this nature that I've ever come across by someone who is actively working on the platform."

This comment isnt new or unique. You know this has been said many times. Ubisoft, SEGA, KONAMI, John Carmack @ iD, and now Gabe Newell have all said pretty much the same thing.

Sony made bad design decisions for the PS3. And as a result, it is less productive for them.

You can skip your navel gazing -- faux man-of-reason -- schtick. Newell is one voice in a chorus.

[starbuck]

Im not for either of the console. The fact that there's competition out there just means better games for us.
That said LMAO at people who THINK they know better than a big time game developer who created one of the biggest gaming franchises to date.

[Armyless]

Hmmm.

[DARK WITNESS]

every other dev who has said something negative about the ps3 has been called lazy..blah, blah, blah..

ok, you may not like what he thinks about the love of your life but call him fat and accuse him of being lazy..then go look at the same people writing in a thread about HIS game saying how great it is.

You all hate him, but you are all buying his game and by the looks of it, his game may just end up being game of the year !

I think he is the one laughing. i personally don't agree with what he thinks, but its his view.

when was the last time anyone on this site was involved with creating one of the greatest gaming franchises of all time ?

[bee2427]

F*K this fat a$$ guy and his orange box, he considers the best technological console a waste of time where companies all over are using the cell processer now... shut his a$$ up im not buyin his crap and i bet he did it to sell more xbox games

[aiphanes]

Microsoft is getting scared. The Xbots are getting desperate....Halo 3 was a good game...but the graphics where subpar....compared to Gears of War..

The RROD is still out there. The Xbox 360 hardware is crap compared to all other current game consoles.

Nintendo Wii is kicking everybodies arse...but that is only temporary.

The $399 PS3 will sale like gangbusters...

Everybody forgets..

MGS4
Final Fantasy 13
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
HOME
Rachet and Clank
Drakes Uncharted
Haze
UT3
Infamous
Afrika
Folding@home

These are all great games or applications..except i do not know anything about Afrika...LOL

The PS3 will soon rule...just get ready...

[DARK WITNESS]

just one point though...

what on earth has his comment got to do with xbots and halo 3. he is talking about the ps3. he didn't say the xbox was going to rule the universe or the ps3 for that matter or anything like that....

i am not slamming you or anything, just don't see the point in bringing up the xbox.

[Mwaan]

That Gabe Newell was fat, that he was paid by Microsoft to insult the PS3, and that we all need to P L A Y B 3 Y O N D. You've inspired me to throw my launch day 360 that's NEVER RROD into the garbage, along with those crappy games: Gears of War, Halo 3, Bioshock, and of course the already released Orange Box. Microsoft paid for those perfect scores across the board anyway. Those games could have ran on PS2. Now I can get a PS3 and join the next-gen by playing HOME. I thank you sir.

[Dannagar]

As Developers leave and exclusives are lost, PS3 fanboys are so quick to point out their 5 exclusives as though it's going to save their faltering system. Wait... Just wait... wait... wait until... why don't you wait until your system makes some kind of impact on the market before opening your big mouth.

[Chug]

Talk sh!t all he wants. I know that the PS3 is not a waste of my time, and every other PS3 owner I know would agree.

[Bloodmask]

only speaks the truth. Sony didn't choose the cell processor bc it is a great gaming CPU. They chose it because they had Bluray in mind. The SPU's are used for video imaging for the Bluray movies.

They can be used for other things but it is a cumbersome task that most programmers don't want to deal with. Breaking down their code into small fragments to run in parallel across the SPU's.

The cell will basicly spend it's life as a crutch for the weak RSX GPU. Overall the PS3 is a poor design which will most likely infuriate programmers such as Gabe Newell.

Most companies don't even use the SPU's at all. Which is why PS3 games usually suffer from poor frame rates in multiplatform games. So essentially what you get is a single core 3.2 Gig IBM Power PC with an old Graphics card and not enough video ram. Only 256 megs.

Chances are that even if programmers "optimized" their code for PS3 better results would be minimal. Often times optimization can lead to little or marginal improvement. Which is why most companies don't use the Cell's SPU's at all.

[codeazrael]

LOL, sorry had to throwback to "Pulp Fiction"............but anyways, people have to understand that this is not fanboyism, this is just classic Sony to try to "create its own currency" pretty much. There was an interview where Bill Gates promised that there will never be a game on the ps3 that looks better than what can be made for the 360. He also brought to light that the ps3 has been in development longer than the 360, as well as news that Sony burnt an entire year and could've launched the same year as the 360, but they couldnt get the cell to work properly for games, and that's why the ps3 was late. Now I know alot of psfans will be like "well, consider the source" but realize that just like the "emotion engine" after the PS3 the "cell technology" will ultimately be dead as even Sony will move on to their next gimmick........perhaps they will call their next chip "space grade technology" or something. Look at Guerilla, the guys who are making Killzone 2, do you see how much money and manpower it is taking to create that game? Do you think that smaller companies with less support will have the means to create a game that matches Killzone 2 in looks? And I promise you, Killzone 2 is going to be ultra short, perhaps even shorter than Gears, with the replay value being lower because the PSN is inferior to LIVE. And bigger companies arent interested in making exclusives for the ps3 besides the ones who have already agreed to it, and I guarantee you that companies like Konami and Square Enix, Sony's biggest supporters are also being forced to go multiplatform because sales are not going as they hoped they would. Can you imagina Metal Gear Solid 4, a masterpiece in Hideo Kojima's eyes only being limited to a few million ps3 gamers? Or Final Fantasy??? These games have alot of money going into them, yes to give the customer a great experience, but make no mistake, these games are made to make money, and not just peanuts, I'm talking huge profits, so if it will serve your shareholders to extend the experience to a much larger audience and the biggest part of creating the game is done, all you have to do is port it to see your sales skyrocket, then why not??? They call the ps3 a computer that can run linux, but it can't even take full advantage of that! In my humble opinion, if the ps3 could have been truly utilized as a pc, being able to have any operation system and what not as well as play games, then this IMO would have made the PS3 a GREeeeeeaT bargain as you would then be able to install Windows and all of a sudden have the massive pc library of games and applications...........but you can't.

[u got owned]

What's up with the hate, Im not a PS3 fan but this guy is wrong...

[malingenie]

I am exhausted about this generation of video game consoles.
Exhausted. I never bashed the original Xbox , I was happy with my PS2. But now it's just commonplace to bash either console, and yeah, specially the PS3. Dont know why, its a great piece of hardware.

The fact is, this propgaganda will have an effect in consumer spending. And I hate it, because I want my Ps3 to reign supreme.

[jlytle1234]

well i toss the idea of what impact does all this negative press do for the ps3 and i wonder if the average consumer is even aware of this site or the crap that people like gabe newell says. I would assume the only literature the average person reads about the 360 ps3 and wii is the best buy brochure that tells you the price.

[midgard229]

he's just lazy. ps3 isnt a waste of time, im pretty sure everyone who has one is perfectly fine with their console, playing Ninja gaiden sigma, resistance, warhawk, heavenly sword (for some lair), Folklore and are getting ready for a bunch of other games that are going to be released soon. freakin tard is what he is. he just sux at working things, or hates change

[jlytle1234]

hatchetforce nailed it back at 3.1. nothing else need be said except Gabe newell needs to go on the wii diet.

[Unknown]

SEVERAL developers have spoken out negatively about the ps3 in regards to development or their marketing approach of said product. Ubisoft,SEGA, KONAMI, John Carmack, and Gabe amongst others. I could understand if it was from one source and they said different things but...its the same thing over and over. On the other hand you don't hear things types of arguements towards the 360. The only thing you hear is from a ps3 developer talking they need blu ray and couldn't fit the game on 360 because it doesn't support it. Has MS paid off all these people to say negative things about ps3? Who knows. I just found this to be very strange. Maybe these guys are just haters as I've seen some nice looking titles on the ps3. Or maybe they are saying that you could accomplish the same thing on the 360 with less headache. Gabe and his crew is well respected in the industry so this has to be a blow to SONY. What do you guys think? Do you guys believe that there's some kinda conspiracy going on against the ps3 or that these guys aren't that good at adapting to the cell? Or is there some merit to these claims?

[jlytle1234]

gabe is just a whiner. but some of those other claims are valid in that the cell is new and unfamiliar and sony had been slow to roll out the support for it. Which i think killzone 2 and guerilla are doing all the dirty work to learn the ins and outs of the cell and then pass it on to other devs. I think by the end of 2008 things will be rolling for everyone on the cell and they will praise it for its depth and high potential.

[jonnyjd1]

Gabe is coming off as a whiner. He's not helping his cause by continuing his rant.

As far as a conspiracy, the PS3 is a larger departure from the last generation than the 360 is to it's predecessor. With that comes a lot of obstacles and a much greater learning curve. While I like both systems, I'm hoping that the learing curve hasn't been set too long that developers/people give up on the PS3 and it's architecture. What we're hearing is the frustration of that learning curve lead time. Once/if the developers get settled in, then we'll see it go away.

...end of line...

[Dareaver1]

The only new tech in the PS3 is the cell cpu and blu-ray hardware. The RSX is old hardware, and then the obscene splitting of the Ram is stupid. Regardless of how fast the Cell can access the RSX's ram, that is still an additional step that shouldn't be needed. The more direct it is, the faster it is. The fastest way from point A to point B is straight (can we all agree on that?). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. With the more additional steps to do one marginal task, you create bottlenecks, and then developers have to figure out how to avoid or go around the bottlenecks. So i do believe there is some merit to these developers claims. Plus they are all complaining about the same problems, i could see if they were all different, then i would wonder what's the motivation for it, but all the complaints are pretty much the same thing. Plus if Sony was developer minded, they would cater to the developers need. And not say here's some new tech, figure it out and make us some money. That kind of arrogance deserved some punishment, they are just starting to really assist the developers with tools to utilize their console (my guess is that they are just starting to figure it out themselves also, but that's just my opinion.) Maybe in the future, the console will show some promise, but as it stands right now, i think the complaints are legitimate.

[sniddles]

this is a funny story,
I think Gabe Newell is actually Comic Book guy, "worst console ever..."

So anyways, he does have a point, Sony have kinda alienated themselves in the whole development process b/c they've made it so that all their games in dev require their own seperate team, who take twice as long to put out a game that *hopefully* will be as good as the one who put out the PC/360 version. Doesn't make much sense if your a dev to even devote the team/man hours if you don't recoop your losses (which PS3 does not sell software).

It's true, the only good, truly different PS3 games are going to be first party, or exclusive i'm afraid...

[jonnyjd1]

He says that the PS3 is not what consumers and developers wanted in an earlier invterview?

While it hasn't had a huge launch and it's share of issues, its obvious that consumers (not all consumers) want the PS3.

It's a mistake to compare the console mfg/developer relationship to the consumer/console mfg relationship and the consumer/developer relationship.

Why is it a mistake? The console mfg and the developer will not make $ on their own. They need the end consumer to do that by ultimately buying their products.

So to say that it's not what the consumer or the developer wants is stepping out of his boundries when he talks on behalf of Valve. If he doesn't like the console, then Valve doesn't like the console and that should be worked out between Valve and Sony, not by continuing to lamblast it in the media. Don't talk for me (the consumer who, btw, has both PS3 and 360 and loves them both).

If Valve doens't like the PS3, then don't code anything for the PS3. That will make his statement for him.

Just my 2 cents worth. Feel free to agree or disagree.

...end of line...

[Almighty]

LOL!!!! Is there something more PATHETIC than a Pstard naming the crappy games like Haze or Killzone 2 or even Afrika? Face it Numbnuts, PS3 is dead.

[IRONMAN_357kickback]

he deserves it, freakin meatball

[BlazinEurasian]

Look at fatty fail!

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Lol.

Don't attack the integrity of the all powerful Ps3!

Or it's fans will attack the person. It's all they can do.

"Zomg wtf?! No talk sh!ts bout me Ps3! Fatty McFritters! Go eat some cheese and cake!"

If they didn't see his picture there, proving in reality he is fat, they'd just call him retarded, since it's the only other insult they can throw at developers that are too 'lazy' for work on the Ps3.

[Fedorov]

Gabe Newell (born November 3, 1962) is the co-founder and managing director of game development company Valve Corporation.
Work
A "Microsoft millionaire" after working 13 years for the company, Newell founded Valve in 1996 with Mike Harrington, another former Microsoft employee. He and Harrington used their money to fund Valve through the development of Half-Life.
That's why.

[codeazrael]

There is no long term payoff taking time to really learn the cell processor. No matter what some people think, come PS4 there WILL be another processor in it, not the cell.........this is what Sony does. I remember I was all hyped when the ps2 came out and they were pimping the "emotion engine" the cell processor is for the most part proprietary for the ps3 and has already been openly rejected by Steve Jobs and Apple, as Sony tried to sell the idea to them and Mr. iPhone himself dismissed the cell processor as "not impressive". Now say what you want about this guy, but Steve Jobs and Apple is Microsoft's real arch enemy, so if the cell processor was a way for Apple take in more buyers, they would have been first aboard. Alas, Sony is known for making sh*t that only Sony users in the end will use mostly. Not saying that is a bad thing, but imagine yourself as a computer programmer...ok, now with the 360 having an architecture very similar to the pc, you will not only find it easier to program for, but you will be doing things that will advance your skills on future pc projects. With the cell processor, if you take time out of your schedule to really dive into it, you're looking at mainstream work for 7-8 years at the most before you simply have to discard the technology as no one else will be using it, yet programming for the 360 is much closer to home in terms of familiarity to pc programming, thus giving you a rewarding experience that will like I said, further your skills as well as give you even more experience in skills that you will actually use beyond the 360.

[Dareaver1]

that has been one of the most satisfying posts i have ever read. Great points that have enlightened me to another way of seeing the 'maybe' reasons to why the developer has said what he has said.

Bubbles for you my friend.

[Armyless]

What was the long-term benefit of developing for the PS2?

What's the long-term benefit of developing for the Wii.

By your argument, I don't need a 360, I can just keep using my PC.

[IRONMAN_357kickback]

get a ps3, and STFU

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

He's got valid points turdboy.

You sound like your begging people to support the Ps3. "Buy one now please! I'll suck your d!ck!"

Maybe you people who already own one should go buy some games. That attach rate is pathetic.

[sleepbox]

Yea, call the creator of the best FPS series of all time fat, lol, you're so intelligent. Give me a break. Is it even possible to have an objective POV based on what the man said?

[sandip787]

FVVCK ME!!
whats with so much playstation hate, theres just no need for it!

[Adamalicious]

We should all send him some cheese to go with his whine.

I'm glad to see that the majority of n4g-ers are in agreement that he's full of it.

Umm, Mr. Newell, how much time have you spent working on games for the PS3? Oh, almost none you say? I guess that makes you the expert.

I agree that he's probably frustrated with getting the Orange Box out the door for the PS3, but this is just unprofessional. If Valve is having a hard time with the PS3 they have no one to blame but themselves.

[Cat]

stinky cheese.

[teto83]

He`s not even working on the proyect,EA is handling the Orange box.Once again the opinion of an overweight loser makes headlines in N4G... way to go peole.

[power of Green]

You people keep attacking him but what he's saying has proof all over the place. lol

It's always destroy with slander and malice with you Sony fans isn't it, you don't like what people are saying so you find ways to make people look bad. lol

[DarkArcani]

The only problem I have with him is he complains about everything. The PS3, 360, Vista, multi-core, multi-threading, etc.

I haven't heard someone complain so much in my life. He sounds depressed.

[witchking]

Newell vs. Jaffe in a cage match.

[TheMART]

Well well...

Doesn't the amount and the quality of games on the PS3 just shows this guy is speaking the truth?

Everybody is thinking they are wasting time on the PS3. Seen all the results in minor versions of multiplatform games, and still they have longer time to program the damn thing.

The only power of the PS3 is in games that use a lot of CGI cutscenes to play directly of the BluRay, it can hold up to 50GB or with the newest update that will be coming 100GB of data on a disc, 7GB of gameplay, 43GB or 93GB of video. Those are the games that need the PS3. Read: MGS4 (movies after a short gameplay section, endless conversations) and Japanese RPG's with endless boring videos.

[bloodzombie77]

well, if ya love the guy so much, maybe he'll pay you to clean the donut crumbs out from between his fat folds, you xbot

[wangdiddy82]

because he wants a ding dong or some cream puffs.. He looks like fat bastard.. lol.. You know fat people get mad when there hungry.. Get in my belly

[PimpHandHappy]

how is that a interview? Did someone ask a question i didnt read? This is just one dude with his hands deep in MS pockets and deep in the cookie jar of dirty biz practices.

#85 Fedorov did the digging for me but im going to copy and paste his comment because it needs to be understood.

Gabe Newell (born November 3, 1962) is the co-founder and managing director of game development company Valve Corporation.
Work
A "Microsoft millionaire" after working 13 years for the company, Newell founded Valve in 1996 with Mike Harrington, another former Microsoft employee. He and Harrington used their money to fund Valve through the development of Half-Life.

So this is just a new case of some MS stock holder with a game company sharing his one side of the story. The dude said and a quote via copy and paste

"I don't think they're going to make money off their box. I don't think it's a good solution."

how many 360's do they need to sell to make up a 3.9billion dollar loss since its launch!

[bloodzombie77]

This guy is a fat sack of sh*t. Seriously, he b*tches about EVERYTHING that's not either a top-of-the-line PC, or his precious Valve engine. 1st off, dude, you suck balls and EVERYBODY hates you, not just Sony supporters, but pretty much anyone who owns a console f*cking hates you.

This guy reminds me of the fat kids in school who got lucky and scored an accidental touchdown in gym class football one day, and everybody gets really annoyed when they try to hang on to that one precious second where they did something useful for once other than be something to laugh at. Gabe's doing the same thing. He was behind one of the best FPS franchises out there, and beyond that he's probably got nothing, so he's holding onto it and the praise it brings him for dear life because once it's over, he's gonna sink right back into obscurity, and continue to give Americans a bad name bad being a disgusting, arrogant fat ass, given that he doesn't sink into himself first.

I hope he drops dead.

http://lolgabe.ytmnd.com/ Go here, just copy and paste it, it's funny as hell

[HBK]

I like this guy, he's not afraid to speak the truth.

[stuntman_mike]

truth is subjective.

"one mans truth is another mans lies"

[THUNDERMARE]

That's to be expect from Gabe, he has been bashing PS3 since the first day it came out. He even tell Sony to "Give it up and start over with PS4". So I'm not really surprise.

[Tryst]

Oh no, I didn;t know EA was making it. Now we should be worried.

Is this the reason why its delayed then?

[etownone]

yeah...be worried.

sucks to be a ps3 owner this year...

[Z501]

He's just mad,cause for the last several years he could just sit on his fat @ss and get an easy check,now he has to get up and actually work.
In a sense it's what corporate America is scared of anyway,having to get their hands "dirty"(that waiter job they had in college).He's also IMO scared of becoming obsolete with this new tech that he can't "milk" anymore.

[TheMART]

You simply can't argue a guy that made one of the best games of all time

Half Life 2 dudes... Episode 1&2
Funny you just don't want to see the truth Sony screamgirls

[wil4hire]

So.. the point here is that Valve, like EA is in bed with M$ For now.

[sleepbox]

That's why resistance has the best review scores ever and Half Life 2's reviews are horrible...why, just look at that wretched POS known as ORANGE BOX...geez

[wageslave]

Sleepbox. I'd like to introduce you to a great tool that will help you from looking stupid in the future. Ok? Ready? Its called metacritic.com.

What it does -- your going to love this -- is it takes *all* the industry's respectable sources, and averages their score together. Making a _VERY_ powerful and compelling argument about the quality of a video game.

Its kind of tough to argue with the whole video game industry.

Now, to the crux of your post, that "resistence got better reviews than The Orange Box".

See, Resistence: Fall of Man has a score of 8.6 / 10 -- average.
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

What of The Orange Box? Well it has a (fcuking) 9.8 / 10 -- average.
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Half-Life 2? 9.0 / 10 (see, still better than Resistence)
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

See? Now you wont be such a fcuking idiot for the rest of your miserable-PS3-laden lifetime. Thanks for playing singing up with "how not to look like a fcuking idiot on the interweb". Im your host, wageslave, and Im glad you chose to play "Metacritic for the Win!"

[VirusE]

9 games on 360 with 90% or above and 1 game a ps3 with 90 or above.

[xplosneer]

In case you didn't know, I'm pretty dang sure that wasn't sarcasm.(Hint hint)

[Power of Blu]

LMAO @ Wageslave. You sure told him!

(BTW that was sarcasm, you may need to look it up ROFL!)

[tordavis]

It's a shame some of these really good posts are plagued with fat jokes making the poster look stupid. I don't think his weight has anything to do with his opinion or skill as a developer.

On a side note, High Definition starts at 480p for all you morons citing the whole 640p Halo 3 thing. High Definition is not defined as high resolution, but as a set of standards for high quality images. 480p is considered HD and so is 640p, 720p and 1080i/p. Get your facts straight before you post.

Lastly, he makes good points. He's saying it's a waste of time because if they spend money and time to learn this cell processor, they can only apply the knowledge on the PS3. They can't use it anywhere else. So they basically have to relearn how to make the wheel for just one car. It's understandable why he's frustrated, but alas...there's still a PS3 version of Orange Box so it's no big deal.

[wil4hire]

That ISN'T HD. Bungie has said it, common sense has said it.. Along with everyone in the HD community. High Definition is 720p(720 progressively scanned lines) 1080i and 1080p.

You would call non interlaced DVD's HIGH DEFINITION?480p. I think not.

Dont try to convince the world that progressive = the same thing as HD. Bungie said Halo3 would be in HD. It isn't.

THe same gripes were said by developers for the PS2. History is just repeating itself yet again.

October 24th. 2000
""It's been a very challenging platform for developers to adjust to," Glaskowsky said. "There are so many different elements, it's difficult to adjust to them all. I think you'll see a progression through next year. I think it'll be towards the end of 2001 where it's clear the PS2 titles are superior in graphics and performance to Dreamcast--which is right when they have to be ready to compete with the Xbox.""

http://www.news.com/Will-Pl...

[tordavis]

I stand slightly corrected, but not by you. 480p is technically not High Definition, but Enhanced Definition. And anything above PAL which is 576 lines, is considered High Definition. Therefore, Halo 3 is still a High Definition game at 640p.

If all of you fools out there think that 640p isn't HD actually played Halo 3 on an HDTV, you wouldn't be talking all this mess about it. The game is beautiful and neither my human eyes or yours can tell whether it's 640p upconverted to 720p or not.

So to use the whole 640p argument as a reason to slam the 360's capabilities is pure ignorance.

[DarkArcani]

640 is not a standard definition. Can you buy a 640p TV. No. I am in the movie business. Do you know how many movies are being filmed at 640p ... Zero.

If any resolution above PAL standard is considered HD. That means that 680p is HD, or 610p, or 580p. Do you see why that sounds dumb. Just making any resolution that is higher than 576 and lower than 720, doesn't make it HD. 780p isn't HD as well because it isn't a "standard resolution measurement."

[timmyrulz]

out of your own asses or do you like the smell of your own turds? all we hear is lazy devs this lazy devs that, come on how freakin childish, do you think all the devs woke up one morning, rang each other and organized a massive global conspiricy to make sh1te games for the ps3?? no neither do i, these are the people who have been making awesome games from day one, they are the experts, they know what they are on about so if they some thing is hard to develop for they mean it. Why do you think 90 percent of the games are released late!!!!!
Yes the ps3 is a brilliant console and i am sure that some of their exclusives will be brilliant, but unfortunlatley not every company is prepared to pay that extra 2 to 3 million dollars to make the same multiplatform game from scratch for one console, so they will port from pc to 360 then to ps3,the games will be diluted and not on par with their counterparts.
Finally lol at EA making the ps3 version of orange box, if you lucky it might run t 20 fps, and dont attack the guy for been fat thats tight as f%$k,

[wil4hire]

games, yet every other developer in the world CAN. in HD as well. Now I've played HL-HL2-CS-CS:S-DOD just as much as the next PC'er so I wasn't really looking to it on my console, BUT for the people that haven't played it, they are surely going to get the short end of the stick for the ps3.

EA proves time and time again that they cant develop for the pS3. Yet they still release products for people to buy, just to make more $. Its ridiculous.

No idea how xbots can say "haha sony" when its not sonys fault. They have given EA every single thing that other developers have. EA is just to big to give a rats ass about it. Im sure the 360 brings in more $ and that is where the focus is.

Its an injustice to the forward thinking technology movement of the world to NOT develop for harder more difficult/superior technology just because its hard.

For the short term, EA will benefit from this. But I hope the entire game community looks back on EA in months to come. When the PS3 is dominating world wide. Everyone should remember how EA screwed all of us out of $60.00 time and time again, and support good developers. 2k even manages to get the hang of it!

[codeazrael]

Damn, not to dispute the obvious facts about the guy's weight, but give him a break.......damn(lol) you guys are heartless!!! I've read everything from one person saying the guy's blood type was rocky road to another person telling someone to go clean doughnut crumbs from between the man's fat folds!!! Gosh........is this the backlash MAJOR programmers get for speaking their mind on their profession and what twirls in their world? I mean if I were an expert in this field ; ) I'm sure that alot of times it is people asking these guys for their opinion as media is made for nothing but stirring up controversy anyway. Take Bluray vs. HD DVD, Sony and supporters are the main ones saying that it is so much better than HD DVD?????? Put the two formats in front of consumers and they will NOT know the difference.......hell, unless you are watching a live event in HD, it it not alot of difference watching a movie in HD then it is watching dvd in progressive scan. My point is that Bluray and HD DVD are similar, verrry similar, but Sony is trumpeting Bluray saying it is this and that, when at the end of the day it does the exact same thing as the HD DVD in delivery...........the same could be said for the PS3 vs. the 360. It's like having two different cars on the same highway, you have one car that is all tricked out with rims, shiny paint job, maybe even strobe lights while the other car is factory stocked. Regardless of how outstanding one may be...maybe the tricked out one has major improvements under the hood, but as long as that cop is sitting there with his radar gun on, I don't care how much faster one car is over the other, you are going to both do the speed limit. Consider the two cars our two consoles and consider the speed limit where we are in technology, and consider the cop the industry.

[wil4hire]

Common sense tells your more sales=better. Isn't that the 360 logic? People that buy BLuray actually have HD sets. Unlike everyone HD-DVD is trying to pawn off 200 dollar HD-DVDplayers to.

Sony isn't telling everyone its better:
Disney/Buena Vista
20th Century Fox
Stephen Speilberg
George Lucas
HP Computers
Dell COmputers

Is.

Outside of EA and now Valve... what programmers are in their "backlash."
Certainly not everyone else who manages to make good ports to the ps3. These developers are just LAZY they dont care anymore about the product. Just the income

Take SKATE ONLINE FOR THE XBOX360. Try watching someone else to a trick, laggy as all hell no matter what. Its BS. EA knew about it, they didn't care.

[codeazrael]

That was an easy one.

[wil4hire]

Nice self ownage.

And its not a bandwidth issue. How about you play the game one day.

[codeazrael]

You may smack yourself now. P.S. Stop being jealous because your posts arent as interesting and praised like mine. Go fly a kite..........while you "wait" some more for those delayed "heavy hitters"

[Pain]

la~sigh Hate the ps3 i dont care, But! say what u want about console game making and how PC gameing is almighty, but when Fresh New ppl in industry put your crappy PC coding to shame and make u eat your words (along side the donuts) have fun changing your toon.

been gameing for ever (well 25years ><) and when i see consoles blasting past pc's make u wonder what tomorow will have *cough* 2c

@codeazrael

105.2 - It's laggy as hell because you actually have alot more people on LIVE than PSN
That was an easy one.

-wrong more like crappy non dedicated M$ servers (all that money and they shaft u on servers...)

[tplarkin7]

The PSU "interview" was either completely bogus or out of context. This interview proves it.

[P1MPDADDY]

Heaven forbid that the truth comes out from a respected Third Party Developer. He isn't fond of multicore CPU programming, but even less fond of the Cells Architecture. You Playstation Polesmokers need to stop pissing and moaning about sh!t you have no idea about. None of us are game programmers. Your conspiracy theories are lame. Just like the people who designed the PS3 to be a Blu-Ray player first with it's Cell and Blu-Ray. Face the facts Microsoft designed an HD videogame console. Sony designed an HD Multi-media player.

Hmmm. Gee I wonder which platform the devlopers prefer. One that allows you to tap the consoles power easier and thus cheaper based on familiar programming tools using familiar hardware. Or a platform that forces you to totally reconfigure your programming methods to accomodate its unique unfamiliar hardware, thus costing you a lot more time and money to get the same results or worse than the competitors hardware. Look at the 3rd party support for the 360. Developers have spoken.

Why do you think PS3 games get delayed. Why do you think PS3 exclusive games like Heavenly Sword and Lair look good, but have shallow gameplay. Face the facts the PS3 is the definition of "BOTTLENECK" And once again just like the PS2 and its supposed CGI-quality graphics we never saw, Sony hyped the sh!t out of the PS3. Too bad the PS3 wont deliver, and once again you fools bought into Sonys marketing.

Pray B3yond. While the rest of us intelligent gamers "jump in" with the 360. Remember 360 owners buy games and dont mind paying for a great online service. PS3 fanboys buy movies, troll message baords spreading FUD, and chant "Just Wait" till its too late...

[starbuck]

A bit of sense

[JasonX43]

Quite frankly I'm sick of all the whining going on this generation of gaming. I personally think the media needs to stop giving open mics to devs completely and just go back to reviewing games. While all these other devs are crying about the Cell processor, Team Ninja made Ninja Gaiden Sigma way better than the original and Black. Ninja Theory made a great game in Heavenly Sword(not every game needs to take two years to beat!) And if you don't believe there's a conspiracy in the media to ruin the PS3, then how come despite all the bad reviews of Lair, I can't even rent the game from Blockbuster because it's ALWAYS out! Everyone needs to go back to doing their damn jobs, making games for the PS3, figuring out why two years later, 360s are still dying, making real games so the Wii avoids falling from grace, and just PLAYING GAMES!!!! And yes, I'm a fanboy...of gaming in general!

[Wii60_FTW]

once again, pimpdaddy ownz every last sony dog in here. roll over and beg, fangirls.

[QuackPot]

Your fansy rants are getting tiresome.

Are the UT3, CoD4, Haze, Assassins Creed, GRAW, OBivion, RB6 developers complaining about the Ps3?

Repeat: Are these great 3rd party developers complaining?????????.

>>> NO <<<

OMG they all have crap gameplay(sarcasm here folks)

>>> OF COURSE NOT <<<

Why don't >>> YOU <<< "stop pissing and moaning about sh!t you have no idea about. None of us are game programmers."

Here's a lesson for you:

* gameplay is decided by developers NOT a piece of hardware.

* if you are use to programming PCs then you will find it easier to programme on an xbox 360 due to a similar architecture.

* Programming for the ps3 requires a steep learning curve but once the experience and tools are created then it will become a breeze.

* a hardware should be judged on its merits NOT the games exlusive too it.

Your words:

"Microsoft designed an HD videogame console. Sony designed an HD Multi-media player
"BOTTLENECK"
"Pray B3yond"
"While the rest of us intelligent gamers "jump in" with the 360"

Your reasoning is rubbish and you are clearly and xbot fanBOY.

Enough said. Begone Troll. You're back on my list.

[razer]

Is the Comic Book Guy of computer gaming..

(as in Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons)

He has trashed talked every console at one time or another.. I'm just glad they didn't outsource the 360 version of The Orange Box like they did to EA for the PS3..

[Expy]

This guy looks like, if he played Lair, it would be a work out for him just by moving the SIXAXIS controller. No wonder he hates on the Playstation 3.

[IRONMAN_357kickback]

your system cant render 1080p on 360, no its not possible, has a 36% failure rate, and blah blah blah, i know right well let me tell you about the black beast called ps3:
1080p output and its now fixed thx to a firmware update
only 20% of ps3's power is used and all of its first party games look legions better than 1st parties on 360 and now so are 3rd parties
25GB cd now going on 100GB

WANT ME TO OWN YOU MORE, this was directed to nobizlikesukingballz since he wants to talk about valid points
, why cant fantards leave me alone, damn

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Doesn't change the fact that your a retarded fanboy that spews 'facts' handfed to you.

Anonymous dev quotes. GTFO.

[tordavis]

When you can count all 1080 progressive lines with your eyes come talk to me.

[IRONMAN_357kickback]

my bad

[SIX]

It takes more than one guy to make a game. I'm willing to bet that there are some people at valve that are itching to experiment with the RSX/Cell combo. Too bad. It's kinda like a dumb father that's holding back the potential of there children just because he's unwilling to put the time in to understand a changing world.

[GamerForever]

Go buy 1 and be a failure to yourself like the ps3 will be soon. I'll say it over and over again. The ps3 architecture is not specifically designed for games. Sony has made a big mistake with the cell cpu. I mean has any dev till now ever said we have problems with making code for xbox360. NO. The ps3, bloody countless devs have siad its crap to code. Making game codes for ps3 is hard because after u spend endless time making all the code, then you have to break it all down again so the cell can accept it. Twice the time for 1 game hmmmm waste of money for studios.

Sony fanboys wake up from your play beyond world and jump in into play now world.

Peace

[Drano]

Not a penny? Just as I thought, you should just play your console, they've already got people paid trying to sell it.

Fanboys don't get one thing from bashing another console, they should realize that as soon as possible.

Jump Beyond.

[Blood_Spiller]

The Dev's may not be complaining about it being hard to develop for but they are defiantly complaining about the choice of hardware they chose to put in the system (ie DVD Drive, HDD not standard). The thing you fanboys (on both sides of the fence) need to realize is that no system is perfect for gaming, the sooner you realize that the better off this industry will be.

[Covenant]

A "waste of everyone's time?"

How about this article?

Flame bait.

[DEADEND]

That was the first time I've ever come to this site and read a great comment, everything you've said is so true bubbles for you my friend and I hope you kee it up.

[Oblivioner]

Total lazy guy.. Watched his interview of this one. Just because he hasnt done multi core programs and everything is new and hard to learn he says its a waste.. Sure he is one lazzzy lazzy gay

[367 To Your Ass]

Gabe Newell quoted ("PS3 VERSION" harder to get it to the same standard as the 360 and PC versions)

maybe he's so uses to developing for pc....but hold up didn't he make a ps2 version of the original half life.

I don't think he hates Sony, I think he just doesn't like ps3's architecture, complex encrypting and decrypting.

[LONEWOLF231]

WOW!! Look at all the Sonybots coming out of the woodwork!! Hurts doesn't it,when someone says something negative of your precious system! So now you know what it feels like when someone points and laugh at you like you guys do when they say something negative of the 360 or Wii!

[Pain]

Yuck i hate learing new things!!! ill just stick to the same old more of the same thing.

sonywhoers/xbots/nintendolts want same thing INOVATION WITH CREATIVE THINKING!!!
that can only be done when u LEARN NEW THINGS,

one of the reason i dont like pc gameing no real inovative thinking, just more pixales

[popup]

I think he would change his mind on the prospects of investing in the PS3's architecture if the PS3 eventually sells units with numbers approaching the PS2.

It may cost stupid to get yourself a framework engine for the PS3 but once it is done, it can be tweaked and refined and expanded for the next game. With the hard part over, and a couple of generations in, the fun may really start to begin.

His statement is of course not a dig at its capabilities but an arrogant, childish and frustrated sounding rant on its complexities and there is truth in these words but almost every developer (and most game fans) already know this but simply get on with the job in hand.

There are many more prolific PS3 developers who have experimented in far greater detail with its hardware than he can even envisage so he is hardly the most qualified to spout such an ambiguous statement is he!

Perhaps his time spending making these statements would be better spent proving his capabilities in at least matching current showcases from the likes of Polyphony who have not uttered a word about the hardships involved and have seeming effortlessly squeezed some photo realistic 1080p 60fps goodness out of the PS3 from early on with a first gen engine that any PS3 owner can be proud of.

He could have washed his shirt too >;)

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

You guys are hypocrpts.

Remember when he bashed X360 too?

[Sevir04]

please tell that to epic games as gears is also heading on that platform ^^ noob

[gamesR4fun]

How much you want to bet this fat bastard owns a lot of M$ and intel shares (read the source article) Man at least gave Nivida a nod but still what a fat arrogant piece. Not even a programmer just another fat cat bloated on the M$ gravy train and spewing their neg propaganda on every breath.
One word.... Shameless
Gamers are going to demand better use of new tech no matter how much you blabber. Bigger badder games are what we want what we crave and your stuck on yesterdays tech. Not to mention those very talented people you have at Valve don't they deserve better? To be allowed to make the kinds of games that will define the next gen or you going to hold them back forever?

[xionpunk]

maybe he just needs a hug, ever think of that SONY!?

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

His waist is too wide to be hugged.

[AcidRhain]

Starting the snowball effect. Once an important developer like Gabe Newell trashes the PS3 and the cell, more than likely more developers will start to believe the same thing and be more outspoken about it. Some harsh comments, developers speaking more openly about their lack of love for Sony will be more of a common thing. Capcom ringing a bell? :-(

[Wii60_FTW]

When one of the greatest Devs on the planet says PS3 sux....well...it f*cking sux. get owned, fangirls.

[gamesR4fun]

wow trollbot down to your last bubble looks like your trying for a record on the ignores we'll heres another for you assmat.
O ya for all you know this piece of fecal matter couldnt boot windows without help just like you.

[athlon770]

You honestly think he is one of the greatest developers? Running around re-kindling a 5yr old game? Dude, you need help. Lots and lots of expensive help. Probably to include shock therapy.

The sad thing of it is that some other troll bot actually agreed with you...and that is truly a sad thing indeed.

Newell bashes every thing that isn't a single core pc running XP. If he runs into anything outside of his little "orange" box, he gets scarred and then starts to foam at his mouth. The fact that anyone is even listening to him at this point is short of a miracle.

[mcy_999]

PS3 will quickly become a world wide popular home HD media center - set-top box. It will take over lead by this time next year. HD gaming is only one part of PS3, Blu-ray will dominate the HD disc format and provides FREE on-line service. Its domination role will generate a lot of haters out there as expected -Nowell included.

[stuntman_mike]

if i was one of the devs who already has games on ps3 and xbox360 and heard gabe newell saying the stuff he has i would kick him right in the bollox and make sure he never worked again.

[PLAYSTATION4EVER]

Why Gabe Newell hated PS3 so badly? He's been working for MS 13 years.

Gabe Newell hated PS3 so badly that's why he delay the orange box.

that's just his words. Everyone have their own words.

"respect others and you will get the same back in return"

Playstation 3 is a future proof gaming console. No need to hate PS3 so badly.

it's just that Gabe Newell needs to learn more about PS3 devs. he's just so/too lazy to learn that's why HE SO FAT. HE'S SO OVERWEIGHTED.

[fredy]

OWNED B3YOND...

sony defense force have already posted gameslist, and ps3 specs...haha

haha..the Ps3 will be worth it in 4 years. hopefully a new box will be out, then again when ps3 dies.

[vaan]

He is a PC NERD.
OF course he does not like any other architecture than a PC, and a watered down PC (360).

[jazzmanb]

regardless of what fanboys think..not 1 developer likes the ps3..it was built stubbornly by sony,and does not run games smoothly..there wont be a ps3 game that looks as good as gears,because the ps3 was not designed to run games effeiciently..couple that with expensive costs of blue ray development,and you have a disastor...the machine itself is a nice machine,but every developer is having issues designing games for it...this is nothing new,and ALL games well not run as smoothly as games on the 360....

[stuntman_mike]

maybe you should read the other article on here , the one about the guys who make ratchet and clank they aint having any trouble and they havent been in the computer buisness aslong as valve also ubisoft are starting to make excellent ports of thier games.

the guys just lazy and whiny.

[THX7168]

"regardless of what fanboys think..not 1 developer likes the ps3.."

Regardless of what 360 fanboys think, there are developers that like the PS3. Naughty Dog and Insomniac being two major developers that enjoy working with the PS3. According to you "not 1 developer likes the ps3." I just gave you 2.

"..there wont be a ps3 game that looks as good as gears"

I beg to differ. Heavenly Sword looks much better (not just "as good") than Gears of War. Unlike you, I have played Gears and HS.

Just a little tip for next time you post some ridiculous sh|t. Learn to use punctuation along with proper spelling and grammar. Use the damn spell check.

[dfcm2003]

I say scr@w him and his company, I will just not buy his product, and then he can have something else to b@tch about. I think its time we as consumers, start letting those Dev know that we are the ones who in the end pay their salary. They want to knock Our systems, regardless of xbox or ps3, let them just go, and make games for another system.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

next thing I guess Jaffe is going to make retarded sh!t about Half Life. BTW Gabe wont change his opinion even if PS3 sells like PS2. He, Carmack and devs like them can afford to be open with their opinions unlike most other developers.

[HondaSIRowner]

He probably wanted the PS3 to support his weight, but the chassis broke and he got Pissed! LMFAO! Oh, having a simpler console to develop for isn't always a good thing. Some devs say the 360 is almost maxed out and it's starting to show with Halo Bioshock and Gears. In the future it can look a bit better. PS3 is like having six gears and 360 is maxed out on its last gear which would be 5th. Right now their tied, but once devs hit 6th gear with PS3 then it will be flying.

I keep saying this over and over again. 360 has rushed out their AAA titles too fast in a short period of time. Sony is stretching their line up of good AAA games to fill up PS3's lifespan. That dude is a waist of space, probably has a big @ss-V-8 with extremely poor gas mileage do to his weight. LMFAO!

[jwatt]

There is nothing else that is using the technology of the cell processor. There is no computer or any device that will use the cell for Sony to make money. Plus the fact that it is hard to develope for doesn't help. I heard they were supposed to have cell proccesor put into tv's but that still wouldn't make that much money.

[dfcm2003]

Wasn't there a news clip the other day about a Laptop that had the Cell in it? I cant remember the name of the company.

edit: Found it http://www.n4g.com/tech/New... It Chip is coming, its just next-gen, its going to take some time.

[PimpHandHappy]

in that blade thing

anyway

I wont say Valve is crap but really

they have made three good games in 11 years!

Counter Strike Half Life and Fortress

i really want to hear what my 360 ppl think of fortress

[HondaSIRowner]

This may be clearly stating that, he fears PS3 is almost as powerful as todays high end PCs with those powerful graphic cards. He sounds like he wants to get every developer to only concentrate on the easier less powerful console(360). He thinks they are all lazy and FAT like he is, but look at Naughty Dog and their game Uncharted! Or look at a 100% pure 1st gen title called Resistance: Fall of Man! This guy is just scared.

Heres a quote, guess what it is. "This is a world you'll never understand". "And you always fear......what you don't understand".

[THX7168]

I'm far too lazy to read all 200+ comments but while skimming through I noticed a few people saying that his opinion matters because he's the creator of Half-Life. Half-Life is an unbelievably incredible game but it wasn't just Gabe Newell that brought it to life.

His opinions are not necessarily the opinions of developer Valve.

UPDATE: So the person who disagreed with me actually thinks that Gabe Newell created the entire Half-Life series all by his lonesome? Wow, there are some really stupid people here at N4G.

[SofaKingReetodded]

IS NOTORIOUS for what PIECE OF CHIT it is on the PC, just ask anyone who bought Dark Messiah of Might and Magic for PC and they'll tell you what an abortion that game is unless you have a super high end PC.

LARDASS should STFU and join the gym.

[CaliGamer]

Way to promote your product, the product we helped create is good but don't get your expectations up too much. Like he's telling us early to prepare us, this guy sounds like an A$$. Like he's trying to be controversial but just ends up sounding bitter and angry.

I guess countless other studios are wrong for stating their liking for the PS3 and we should take his words as the gospel. I would say he needs to get laid but look at him, all sweaty and angry, the ladies don't like that. Maybe his fingers are too big to work with the delicate innards of the PS3, like an elephant trying to thread a needle. He looks like a low budget Chris Farley, rest his soul.

Hahahaha, rich.

In more important news, Uncharted is looking very nice indeed.

[popup]

Yeah, they might as well just have quoted something for some comic relief instead...

"Investing in diets, investing in the low fat foods gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the clogged arteries fat created", Newell told Edge magazine.

[progx]

I bought the orange box, and I love it. Have fun waiting till december, or 2008, or whenever the f**k you get it.

[athlon770]

To think at this point I would even WANT to give this guy my money for a game he says will not be on par with the others. I will purchase from the other publishers and steer clear of anything this guy makes. Does he even make anythig else? I remember playing Half-Life on my PC back when it had a Voodoo card in it and then HL2 back when 1GHz systems were the norm, can this guy not evolve?

[Dmack79]

This guy is such a moron. we whould just ignore him!

[Ace_Shooter]

a fat dude wants attention.... Just remember Gabe Newell, Heavenly Sword is a taste of what the PS3 can do, facial animations anybody??

[test123123]

P$3 a piece of ripped off junk :). Only if price is right even now for 40GB it is a reduced functions piece of SH*T with lack of games and no BC.

[Myth]

textures, lighting and resolutions, because those three areas make the PlayStation 3 version definitely excel over the Xbox 360 SKU. So whats the 360, yesterday's junk?

[Fighter]

He complains on every console and will probably do so for the rest of his life. PC gamers can be arrogant pricks sometimes.

[DFresh]

This dude doesn't even know what he's talking about.
If the PS3 is so bad why is it we have the best games out right now and in 2008?
Ex:
Killzone 2
Metal Gear Solid 4
LA Noire
Eight Days
Project Offset
The Outsider
Ratchet & Clank Future
etc.
If every other developer can tap into the PS3 technology why can't you do it then?
This is so biased it disgusts me.
Sony is the future!!!!!!
MS basically are the end of it's graphical and physical game technology while Sony still has a really big space to cover and work with.
I'm not being biased myself I'm just stating for the record look what Sony has going for them.
What does MS even have remotely to compete with the PS3 now?
MS has nothing their most anticipated game Halo 3 doesn't even play in HD so how can they compete now?
Not evening Gears of War can compete with the PS3 now.
If the best game developers can unlock the technology everyone else should too that's all I'm saying.
If anything people should be helping MS in games now because there falling behind really fast even there Multi-platform games are looking better on the PS3 now.
Can XBL even compete with Home coming out soon?
FTW Sony Wins this war!!!!!!!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

He created Half-life and Half-life 2. I've followed this guy for a long time now.

My friends and I, who are all Half-life fans, think he's gone crazy! It's pretty obvious that the PS3 was meant to game and the Cell processor allows for bigger and better things than the 360 and computers (as of right now) are capable of. Ever play Heavenly Sword, Gabe?

[computerjeff05]

You guys are retarded, makes perfect sense to me. The xbox 360 is as easy as it is to develop games for the PC, which has been around for many many years. The PS3 uses totally different technology that companies don't want anything to do with.

[FirstknighT]

Just the facts kiddies. The ps3 is a mess to develop for. It's a very big risk to develop a game for the ps3. Especially since it's very expensive to develop for and the install base is very low. Look at Heavenly Sword and Lair. 2 BIG games that cost a pretty penny to make and it failed miserably in total sales. That's why developers like Capcom are taking their franchises elsewhere. The game industry is definitely paying attention to total software sales and understand that the ps3 is just to big of a risk, while the 360 is just heaven for developers. Easy to work for, huge instal base, and 360 owners BUY games! What else would a game developer ask for???

Why do you refuse to listen to the many top game developers complaints about the ps3??? You sony boys constantly throw excuse after excuse. Just suck it up already. The ps3 is junk!

[Myth]

textures, lighting and resolutions, because those three areas make the PlayStation 3 version definitely excel over the Xbox 360 SKU. So whats the 360 yesterday's junk?

[kornbeaner]

and realize you don't know what your talking about. You always come here spewing hate for a system that you know nothing about except for the fact that you can't afford one and according to some of your post the most experience you have with the PS3 is the 20 minutes you played WARHAWK on your cousin's PS3. DAMN!!! talk about experience a whole 20 minutes.

Even I have more experience on a 360 and I don't even own one. And as far as making excuses for "Lazy" developers, no excuses are needed since every developer that complains about the PS3's lack of power, have been proven, WRONG! Ninja Theory (exclusive to PS3), Epic (upcoming with UT3), infinity ward, Kush games, Evolution studios (another exclusive), and Bethesda Game Studios have been able to match or in some cases (not by much) surpasses their results on the 360 (excluding the 2 studios that make exclusives, there results where still awesome and were giving high marks when the games where reviewed for their graphics and game overall.). So why is everybody else coming up with excuses about the PS3? Matter of Fact Call of Duty 4 on the PS3 and 360 runs at 60 FPS and are basically identical, with slight edge in load time going to the PS3 and PC version since they have a standard HDD that they buffer data from. Where was Infinity Ward when they were making COD4? I'll tell you where they weren't, they weren't coming up with sappy ass excuses to why one version of the game will be better than the other, they were hard at work making sure that both PS3 and 360 consumers got the same game to play at launch since we pay the same price.

Since most of us know you only spent about 20 minutes playing warhawk at your cousins house, answer this. How much time have you spent actually working with the 360 and PS3? ....whats that "0". Exactly you don't know what the f*ck your talking about. Face Facts.

[MRMagoo123]

well firstknight the devs could ask for a console that works for a start the new xboxs still rrod nothing fixed there and they could also ask for next gen not fake gen.This guy is stupid and dont go on about him making half life i didnt even like them and im sure he didnt develop them by himself am actually sure he didnt actually do any of the work himself it was probably smart ppl that did it and he just tagged along.Also you defend him now but what was it like when he said xbox was a pile of junk and made his life harder bet u hated him them of course u wont admit that tho cos ur ignorant and dumb and whats up with the just the facts kiddies how old r u 80 ur just stupid the same as this dumb no hoper nerd that keeps complaining about everything including xbox 360.I for one wont be buying the "orange box"any way and for my much needed fat joke as everyone else seems to have one i bet the "orange box" is the closest thing to fruit hes been near

[SDS Overfiend]

Blind @ssholes! When ya'll hate on everything 360 ya'll don't hear sh1t someone or anybody says.When someone Not bashing the PS3 but lays down the Truth on it it hurts. So now he's a retard and all of the above since his comment? Oh please Revenge is a dish best serve chilled so grab a spoon cause ya'll gettin seconds. Stop crying B1tches Your system is not all that it is cracked up to be and we warned ya'll that this would happen. Its costing Valve a High amount of money in Man-hours and resource to try and port a game that won't sell over 600,000 copies compared to its counter-part. Valve want a retrun in it investment and 360 is the only system sure of that right now.

Ya'll PS3 Nigg@s is @ssed-out right now.

But as far as this line up goes

MGS4
Final Fantasy 13
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
HOME
Rachet and Clank
Drakes Uncharted
Haze
UT3
Infamous
Afrika
Folding@home

You still @ssed-Out!

Mass Effect will be longer and way more innovating than all of those games put together.

Metal Gear.....................Oh please Ima Big fan but find a new IP to suck-off cause this ones gettin old.

[cmrbe]

You are comparing an unproven franchise to well established ones that not only sold more that Halo but also rated higher?. You are one of the smartest xbot i ever come across.

[Myth]

So let me go buy a 360 for the one game thats coming? Is that what your suggesting?

[cmrbe]

I kindly request that he STFU. What does he know about PS3 anyways?. Isn't EA developing the PS3 version?. How many top notch games from valve that any of us played on PS?.

[solidt12]

GO MAKES SOME MORE PC GAMES THEN JERK. I love my PS3 360, and Wii because I like playing on my comfortable couch with friends. Consoles will do fine without you if you don't want to develop for them. Sounds like you should CHANGE CAREERS IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO LEARN NEW TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE IT IS NORMAL IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LEARN NEW THINGS CONSTANTLY.

[Saint Sony]

He should get laid.

[Skizelli]

It's pathetic how many of you have taken a shot at this guy's weight. Very childish and doesn't make you any better of a person than he is.

[d3l33t]

this just in: Gabe Newell sucks. How much code do you think he writes? I say NONE

[iceice123]

How much more do you think he knows about everything video games than you? I say a ton.

[iceice123]

.

[d3l33t]

for all you know, i work with the dude.

ive seen the HL2 SDK code.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I see the standard Droid responces of "lazy" and "wait" Whats with the fat comments? Droids=Pathetic

Why would anyone volentaraly want to spend millions more on development, when they can spend less and have their product look the same and in "most" cases "better" and get it out monhts faster?

If Sony would spend more time trying to sell a games console to gamers and not a DVD player to gamers and spend a little time working on their dev kits, the PS3 could be saved. But...sense it's Sony don't count on anything, they don't like to listen to gamers just Hollywood.

How many devs does it take to comvince a PS3 fan that the PS3 sucks to develope for? Answer all of em "apparently"

[SolidSnake93]

He complains too much.

[Coke-a-Cola]

HE IS BEING FORCED TO PROGRAMME FOR THE PS3 . IF YOU REALLY DONE LIKE THE TASTE ..........QUIT STUFFING YOUR MOUTH.

[Solotov]

Developers have been talking down on the Cell for a while now. John Carmack (ID Software), the most famous game programmer in the world, complained to Sony about the Cell years ago.
All the fat jokes here make the PS3 Fanboys look pretty pathetic. Although, I have to admit some of them were pretty funny...

[wangdiddy82]

Some people are retards.. Each system has good games..

The 360 has FPS games and the ps3 has a wide variety of games.. Bottom freaking line..

360 has halo 3, bioshock, forza 2, and gears of war..

Ps3 has resistance, folklore,heavenly sword, ninja gaiden sigma, motorstorm, virtua fighter 5, and warhawk..

And too all the people who keep saying ps3 has no games you should kick ur self in the face.. The 360 had jack crap for games in its first year.. Call of duty 2 and gears.. thats about it.. Ps3 definitely has way more games in its first year being out than the 360 did. So when you say ps3 has no games go back and look at what you played your first year of owning a 360.. Ps3 has games and a lot of them..

[IdontTakeSides]

I mean why couldnt they just send the game over to Insomniac atleast they would implement those codes properly and get the game up and running in no time...WHY EA..??..j/k..bout the insominac part...im looking forward to RFOM2....more than the orange box...!!

[joydestroy]

well this is what the f*ck i'm doing...
buying PS3 exclusives, and everything else on the 360 until the devs become un-lazy assholes.

[gnothe1]

you cant go back an compare first year to first year!! you have to compare current to current!! imagine walking into the store an asking the store cleck, let me see what games the PS3 has out now!! an now only show me what the 360 had last year!! thats crazy!! plus remember the PS3 was supposed to launch only a few MONTHS after the 360 not the year later it did!!

[squelchy15]

thats what we like to hear

[Korosuke]

So why did he say such a thing now.
Orangebox plans to release next month in PS3 ?
I don't think it is a good idea.

He should release his game to wii his only one love console instead of Xbox360 or PS3.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

this guy is just as much as a dumb @zz as the crytek developer

[wangdiddy82]

You make no sense dude.. I was just proving a point that ps3 has good games to play.. And by the end of the year it will have about the same amount of good games as the 360 and with more variety in games..

ps3 and 360 have games bottom line..

[JoeCH]

I for one have never played Half-Life. I WAS looking forward to playing this on my PS3. Old Gabe's comments just insured that I will not be spending my money on his sorry A$$ game. If you don't like something -- okay. But if you want my money you need to keep your mouth SHUT an deliver a the goods. I guess you really don't need my money Gabe.

[gnothe1]

JOE!! you not spending your money is the one thing that sony doesn't want happening on their system. the more you guys B1tch an not buy games the more an more developers are gonna shy away from the PS3. already their best games have yet to outsell the 360's best games, plus its more expensive to build on the PS3. developers want to know that they would at least get there money back!! that was one thing about the Ps2, its user base was so big, developers fought through what ever development problems the PS2 had because they knew they would make there money back!! but thats not the case with the PS3!!

[Ps3Fanboy777]

Valve does a lot of talking not much game production. Still waiting for something new. Orange box was pretty lame.

Good luck valve.

[Kuest]

I wouldn't be surprise if all the N4G members were on this thread alone. Interesting, how one man can spark such a heated discussion.

[Kuest]

I wouldn't be surprise if all the N4G members were on this thread alone. Interesting, how one man can spark such a heated discussion.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

haha, what are you 9? Like the name Bungie, ID, Capcom, Epic and Looking Glass, it's VALVE dumb ass.

[Heepspo]

will say/do anything to get their daily dose of attention.

[NextGen24Gamer]

I have both the Ps3 and the xbox 360....

I have them both hooked to my 61 inch DLP 1080p Tv via HDMI.

Every single game 3rd party game that is on both systems....Looks and plays better on the xbox 360. Some look close...but most look better and have much better frame rates on the xbox 360. I know that statement will bother some fanboys...But its the Truth.

There has to be a reason for this.

Could it be that the xbox 360 is a better hardware and software mesh than the Ps3?

Could it be that the Ps3's cell isn't optimal for games as many a developer has already stated?

I mean the proof is in the pudding right?

No game on the Ps3 looks nearly as good as Gears of War or Bio Shock...

And even with Halo 3 having two 640p buffers....It looks absolutely gorgeous on my 1080p tv. In some aspects...like the HDR lighting and the textures....It looks head and shoulders above most games out now. Sure Gears of War is unriveled in regards to texture detail....But they both aim for different graphical fidelity.

Motorstorm and Heavonly sword are clearly the Ps3's best looking games....But they don't compare to the best looking games on the 360. Thats from me playing the games and comparing them....the way they were meant to be seen. Full HD with a thunderous surround sound system.

So yes....If you invest the money and massive amount of time....YOu can get nice looking games on the Ps3....problem is....most developers don't see the benefit in investing all that time and money when they can spend less money and less time to make a superior xbox 360 product.....And to make things worse for Sony....A good xbox 360 game sells 5 times the amount of a Good Ps3 game.

Sony fans should understand this...Its so easy to bash the developers....but yet Sony fans aren't buying games.

The latest sales info shows that if you add up all the wii games and ps3 games sold last week....you would have to times that number by 2 to equal the xbox 360 game sales for the same period.

What do you think that tells developers? Its got to be depressing to make games for the Ps3. Little return and a product thats graphical fidelity isn't on par with the xbox 360. I'm sure many developers would secretly love for Sony to scrap the Ps3 and try again with a new system. Think about it from developers points of view.

Even Square has came down on Sony hard for its price point and hardware choices. Sony cared more about getting blu ray in peoples homes than making a next gen gaming machine.

The ps3 came out ONE full year after the xbox 360. Why wouldn't we expect the Ps3 to be outperming the xbox 360 by now? 1 year after the xbox 360 launch we got Gears of War. Well its going on a year for the Ps3....not one game has wowed us yet. Honestly folks.

Is there some truth to what these developers have been saying?

Think about it.

When will even the biggest sony fan admitt that Sony messed up? In 2008 if the games you are waiting for don't live up to the hype....Will you then see? Because I thought Warhawk, Lair, Motorstorm, and Heavonly sword was suppose to wow us. Well not only did they not wow me....They obviously didn't wow the reviewers either. All averaging in the 8's or less. Thats not acceptable when you purchase a 600 dollar gaming machine.

The first year on market....the xbox 360 had many 9 rated million plus selling games. Now they 24 million plus selling games and many 9 plus rated games.

Could it be?

Makes you think doesn't it. I know Sony fans are hoping for something big....Why shouldn't they. You spend that kind of money...Sure you will be a little defensive. I undertand. But stop bragging when you obvioulsy have no right so far. Stop bashing the xbox 360...its clearly out selling and performing the Ps3 at this point. And believe it or not...There is a reason for it. Just stop making excuses.

[starbuck]

I cant be bothered to write as much as you did but just want to say that is one of the best unbiased posts Ive read on hear. Ive only just signed up on hear to comment after reading so many post of people thinking they know more than a game developer. So just to say Bravo

[Dareaver1]

I thought you might have left this site, haven't seen you post in awhile. Anyway, you make a lot of valid points. M$ put gaming first, Sony (i don't know what they were thinking) put Blu Ray first. When you go to a PS3 Kiosk at a games store, all the PS3 Kiosk is doing is toting how powerful it is, and Blu Ray, it then goes on to show a couple of games. You get memory card readers, (umm, people have a pc for that) blu ray player, a lot of things you don't need if you want to jump into gaming as fast as possible. At least the 360 gives you options, so that you can upgrade later. That let's me use what money i have left to buy games. Not everyone is rich. Oh and let's not forget, the PS3 doesn't even come with a Hdmi cable, i mean really what was that all about. Sony has made a lot of mistakes, and they really need to re-evaluate their priorities and put gamers first. They have stand alone Blu Ray players (which if you look at sales are being owned by HD-dvd players), let them carry the weight of Blu Ray. I don't want Sony to fail because competition speeds up progress, and helps develop creativity.

[DaTrooF]

go home!

[Xbox is the BEST]

every devs suck except the ones exclusivee to Sony. Don't buy 3rd party games and see how far the PS3 goes.

[wageslave]

This bears repeating. I *TOTALLY* agree with you:

ATTENTION: PLAYSTATION 3 OWNERS
=============================

Teach Valve and EA a LESSON. DONT BUY The Playstation 3 version of The Orange Box. Playstation 3 owners UNITE(!) and BOYCOTT the following companies who have said the PS3 is hard to develop for:

Ubisoft
SEGA
KONAMI
iD
Valve & EA

To really help the world p1@y b3y0nd, dont buy ANY games from these 3rd parties.

Playstation owners BOYCOTT those companies.

=============================

By doing this, you'll *really* teach the 3rd parties a lesson.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Orange Box is Fantastic Gaming. Definately deserves the 9.7's and 10's. I'm just in Shock with all these 9 Plus rated games in such a short period of time.

Halo 3
Bio Shock
Orange Box

Next will be Mass Effect and Call of Duty 4. I played the heck out of the Beta...Its Amazing.

[teto83]

Amazing 300+ comments and counting!!!!!too bad half of those are about how fat the dude looks!
Make N4G a better place.....shut up

[btkadams]

he said in earlier news stories that he hates the mac, the 360, and pretty much everything that isnt a pc, so ill take this with a grain of salt. i mean i know most 3rd party devs say the ps3 sucks to develop for, but this is stupid lol.

[g4n]

is a waist of human flesh. do the world a favor, go to your local walmart, buy a shotgun, drag yourself in the street, and get it all over with.

before you start complaining about the ps3, follow the above instructions. PLEASE! we have enough low class in america and we wont make it with any more. PLEASE do the above man, PLEASE!!! the avarage american IQ is down to 96... thats sad becasue we have the brightest minds in america... its ppl like this bringing it WAAAAAY down.. please do the above, it will help not only america, but mankind as a whole. PLEASE GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! the DVD player was dead 2 years ago. the Wii dosent even use memory cards. OMG please go away for good...

[g4n]

when americans were smarter, we knew that the Sega Genesis was more powerful then the NES when it came out. Later, the Playstation and N64 were released, we understood these were more powerful then the Genesis and played better games.

now, we have the lolbox (360) that for awhile was the best console out there, but even at its launch, we knew it would be outpreformed by nintendo and Sony. when the two released their systems, the wii instantly took over. we all knew this because, well, the 360 was a PS2 jacked up a bit...

now is the PS3's hay day. do you really think there are enough dumb ppl that would by an NES when the Genesis was out? no, same thing here.

BUT, the low class have grown, losers that dont even deserve to live in the US, but they are here (how the hell else do you think dubya "got" elected twice!!!) we are FULL of MORONS here!!!!!! well, i guess i can think that i will never take the trash out at work, never clean the tolite, never flip that burger at BK. but ppl like gabe will wont they, yep... you have losers, then low class, then human waist, then guys like gabe...

[osirisomeomi]

This guy needs to stop ripping on the PS3, since he implicitly calls everyone who bought a PS3 an idiot. While there is little question the console has some accessibility problems for consumers and developers, him ripping on the PS3 in such an immature and extreme fashion in public is truly sad and speaks much of the character or lack thereof of some game designers.

[teto83]

"Gabe Newell is a waste of everybody`s time"

-Weight Watchers.

[spike]

PS3 SUCKS. How many times do we got to tell you PS3 FANGIRLS

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

Is that the most intelligent comment you can muster??(very sad really).

Once again,mindless ranting from the brainlessbots who continuously try to bend the truth over and over and over again in an effort to get US Ps3 owners to believe in you.So much so you have yourselves convinced of your idiotic rhetoric. NEWSFLASH: YOU FAIL!!!!!!!!!!

@wageslave: accept it and grow up

[sumfood4u]

Tired of his Cry~Baby Raving, Its stupid an he needs to just sit in a corner an think of something eles to complain about! DumbA$$E$ Always do Dumb Thing!

[sixaxis]

Ok if EA is making this game then its probably already canceled. Because have we heard lately about Ps3 version of orange box. Ofcourse theres a bunch of rumours going on, but thats it, nobody in EA hasnt confirmed those speculations. SO, its a fantastic game, atleast on a 360 and PC, i recommend u do stop waiting this for PS3.

[batman2million]

I just wanted to leave a comment because everyone else was!!

I think its just person preference in which development is better.

Like choosing to drive an auto or stick. I personally think stick is a hassle but other ppl prefer it.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

my god this just hit 100 degrees now? Wow I was expecting something around 2000 with over 350 posts in here already.

[GRAMPAGAMER]

I think he's just saying what a lot of other developers are thinking, and his products are in such demand that he doesn't have to rely on the ps3 consumer base. but maybe he could have been more tactful with his comments.

Sony does have a unique product in the ps3, with it's own far share of quality attributes,.. but Sony neglected to seek counsel from developers in what they wanted in a next gen system.

and now it's comeback to haunt them somewhat.

would a developer developer want to struggle with the Ps3 architecture? or would they be more inclined to develop games in a more developer friendly invironment?

On a console that has a larger established base.

this is not to say the Ps3 is "bad" system..... far from it.

It's just unfortunate that Sony didn't listen to the feedback.

Is the Ps3 "sunk"

not by a long shot, and developers who are willing to mine it's unique capabilities will certainly be rewarded.

there's still plenty of good games in the pipeline.

this war is far from over.

the ps3 won't hit it's stride untill at least the 3 to 4th quarter of 2008.

however Sony's potential for world domination is seriously suspect so far.

[SDS Overfiend]

He's Right about one thing the POS3 Is a waste of time.
Developers being lazy? That the Dumbest sh1t i ever heard.
Let do the Math Fangirls:

Working on a game Thats graphically demanding has a Due date, The Due date is set because of the budget for paying man-hours adds up if theres no profit. Now Fangirls If developers were being lazy taking they sweet time to make a game for a non user-friendly machines would'nt these developers get paid crazy overtime for working past the due date? So tell me why would a developer thats not going to do Halo 3 numbers blow more money towards the budget for a Sh1tty "PORT" knowing they're releasing PC expansion packs of a of a 4 year old game for profit? Especially knowing that the 360 was made with the root of a PC why would he not voice his opinion on a game the PS3 Desperately needs and wants to make work?

To the Person who wanted to compare launch line-ups and first year games, POS3 First year is almost up so lets see what MS had.
The 360's Launch game still blew away what little attempted games the Delaystation had in its first year.

Lets see Nov 15 2005 was the launch date right? so let see what we were playing in the year before gears dropped (Nov 13 2006)
We had

Call of duty 2
Perfect dark 2
Need for speed Most Wanted
Ridge Racer 6 (A Sh1tty Playstation game that try to Test the hardware of the 360 to report back to Sony what under the hood.)
Oblivion
Dead or Alive
Kameo
G.R.A.W.
Phantasy Star Universe
Enchant Arms
Condemned
Chromehounds
Ninety-Nine Nights
Saints Row
Project Gotham Racing
Fight Night RD3
Live 06 (Sh1tty but its a game)
Madden 06 Refer to above.
FIFA 06
Quake 4
Prey
NBA 2K6
NHL 2K6
King Kong
Over-G Fighters
Blazing Angels
Amped 3
Gun
Tony Hawks American Wasteland
Tiger Woods 06
Call of duty 3

Damn Sounds like Somebody got owned last year *Cough*Sony*Cough*.

Step ya sh1t try to compare POS3 Launch to ours. Don't make me show the video that caused Kaz and Ken to become Janitors in sony offices........

Now can i get some bubbles people?

[Pika-pie]

DeJa Vu. This reminds me of when the PS2 was released. Devs were coming out and saying the exact same things.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Your right. Developers had to suck it up and deal with it. Why? Well because the Ps2 was the most popular system on the market. It outsold the Dreamcast and the Gamecube easily. So Developers could gripe and complain all they wanted. If they wanted to make some money in the gaming industry...they had to develope for the Ps2. Consumers spoke loudly and the Ps2 was their platform of choice.

This time around while the complaints are the same. Sony doesn't have the leverage of consumer support that they had last time.

This time around the xbox 360 has all the consumer support leverage. Developers love how easy it is to develope for the xbox 360 and how much performance they can get out of it. Then you add to that the fact that if you combine the ps3 game sales and the Wii game sales and multiply that times 2.....You get the xbox 360 current game sales.

Thats a bonus for developers. With the xbox 360 not only can they put out their best work....it will be appreciated by millions of consumers and if they put out a quality product....its all but guarenteed to sell 1 million copies for the xbox 360.

How does the developers of Lair and Heavonly Sword feel right now? Not only is their hard work being scored 8's and in Lairs case 5's....but ther sales are horrible. Not even close to selling 300k let alone 1 million.

Remember when Capcom released Dead Rising? It sold 500k in 2 weeks. And reached 1 million with a couple months. It was an unknown title....but it was very good and word of mouth, good reviews....Walla....a million seller game.

Thats got to make developers happy.

Secretly....Many developers have got to agree with this guy. Even the Sony exclusive developers.

Sony is in trouble. Why have only 2 games sold barely a million copies since its launch? Someone...anyone....explain.

PGR 3, Oblivion, Dead Rising, Dead or Alive, Kameo, Perfect Dark all sold 1 million within the first year of the xbox 360's launch. Now there are 24 titles that have sold over 1 million. With many more titles well on their way with over 800k sold.

Why isn't Heavonly Sword, Lair, and War Hawk selling? Could it be? Is it so? The Ps3 isn't doing very well in regards to console sales and consumer support....Sony has absolutely no leverage this time around. Developers don't have to support the Ps3. I'm sure many are contemplating it seriously.

[leon76]

Waste of everybody's time IS listening to gabe "boo boo" newell!!

[Snork12000]

Sign the Petiton to get Sony to recgnise what their customers want!!
www.bokz.com

I will briefly explain my position so the rich idiots with no kids dont just flame me without reading my page.

I have a 4 and 6yr old. I have over 200 ps2 games which they love to play.
I cannot easily have two consoles cabled up and my kids cannot swap cables on their own!
Very good games are still being released for the ps2 and they are cheaper than the PS3
Ps3 games are extremely limited in number
I would buy a 60gig ps3 if the BC worked properly, but unfortunately the morons at sony couldnt even get that right and it wont support half our games and many that it does support lose a lot of functionality.
yes I want to play ps3 games but not at the sacrifice of PS2, and many are in a similar position. If Sony dont make a BC compatible console, there are thousands of us that will just buy something different, and cheaper with more games.

If you are one of these please sign my petition!!!

www.bokz.com

[Bullseye]

Far from me to give advice on parenting. However,maybe you shouldn't be letting 4 and 6 yr olds play video games. I'm sure there are better ways to stimulate you kids and encourage them to learn, than video games, don't you think?

[omfg_111]

really seperates the real gamers from the fanboys.
i see so much nice comments from people i would never imagine, that they are able to put their bash-style away.

so much people here earned my respect. i wont tell the name of any of the people ... but you got some bubbles my friends.

xbox 4 life ...
playstation 4 life ...

holla back!

[Antan]

Dusty, can TnS have his monthly award now for hottest news article?

[bolitas100]

People all i want to say is that i have a ps3 and a top pc but the one i select to play is ps3 because is the best entertainment center i have saw and i love i... so mr gave you failed!!!

[xg-ei8ht]

http://www.gamersyde.com/ne...

Think that says enough.

The truth is coming.

[Kirderf]

If there is anyone reading through all these comments, you're a strong son of a *****.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

someone said that bioshock and Glitches of ware look better than any ps3 game, he even said that heavenly sword doesnt look better than them, ah, heavenly sword looks like cg ingame, and the whole thing is all in realtime and playable, glitches looks like beat up car parts compared to heavenly sword, Glitches was demoted way back when F1 was introduced in TGS in 2006, why does anyone believe it looks that great, the pc version doesnt even stand clear in ps3s game wake, we always have one game that destroys all game machines and that is WARDEVIL, and then you have Final Fantasy 13, you cant match these because they both put over a billion polygons on screen in realtime playable in each frame, so please think about what you say before you say it

[fredy]

on here are taking stab at the guys weight which holds no water to whats being said here.

I bet you 1 out of 3 Ps3 fanboys on here laughing at this guy is a FAT SLOB hiding behind the computer.

at least this guy has some merit, instead of some die hard sony fanboy probably on here lookinglike this while their PS3 is folding.

nothing better to do I guess but defend a console, where it's gamers don't buy much of any game.

[kss]

niggers like this hate great technology like the ps3 is i mean the xbot1.5 is just like a nigger it doesnt do much breaks down and costs too much money like you send a nigger to africa send this fat ass to fat camp