Mario Galaxy just ripping off Insomniac's games

The charming Brits over at Kikizo sat down with Insomniac's Ryan Schneider the other day. Asked him a bunch of questions about Ratchet & Clank, and it sounds like Insomniac are rightly proud of their franchise. Also proud of R&C on the PS3, which I must say is looking pretty darn good. They're also proud of their originality as a company, though, and proud that it's influenced...Miyamoto and Super Mario Galaxy.

[cooke15]

Then i guess insomniac copied nintendo in making a 3d platformer :|

[felman87]

Nintendo wasn't the first company to make a 3-D platformer

[VirusE]

True but nintendo was the first to make a good 3d platformer.

[MK_Red]

If anything, Mario Galaxy is ripping off Psychonauts. Many elements of new Mario are straight The Milkman level and other parts of that masterpiece.

[felman87]

Going Commando came out before psychonauts.

[MK_Red]

You've got a point there :)
But I'm still sad about Psychonaut's ultimate fate. Ratchet games have sold millions and new Mario Galaxy and Ratech & Clank TOD will suerly sell millions but the game that truly deserved the sales simply flopped.

[apoc06]

@ mk_red: change deserved to 'needed', and i agree 100%. if mario galaxy or R&C flop, there sill still be another sequel. look at the sonic games. psychonauts needed to be a hit in order to establish itself as a franchise.

[Foliage]

That's the problem with flamebait titles. They skew the whole article. (I'm aware it is a Kotaku title)

Many games out there take ideas from other games. I think the term "ripping off" is quite extreme. You can almost make a case for almost any game ripping off any other game developed before it.

If you think Miyamoto is some holy being that sits excluded from the world in some closet... I feel sorry for you.

The quote wasn't as malicious as some have interpreted it. This is just another case of someone trying to make sensational news where there is none.

Kotaku is slowly becoming another one of those sites. First it was the Nintendo fan club invasion, and now provoking flame wars.

[MikeGdaGod]

the title is way worst than what was actually said

[Maddens Raiders]

has nothing to do with any new (((Mr Gay))) in Rise of Man then I'm cool.

[Mu5afir]

Dude, Resistance game was awesome.

[Prismo_Fillusion]

Bubbles for Foliage and cooke, minus bubble for MK_Red.

From the article/insomniac:
"One that we're even extremely flattered by is Super Mario Galaxy, with their spherical worlds; we did spherical worlds in Going Commando, and Up Your Arsenal. It would be amazing to think that Miyamoto-san thought that was so cool that he wanted to incorporate it into Mario Galaxy. Granted, he's doing it in a different way, but it's still a spherical world, so it's flattering to see those sorts of things."

How is that saying that Mario is ripping anything off or that Miyamoto is a hack? Awful title, but the article isn't bad itself I suppose.

[fopums]

you can do what you want, but I wouldnt dock a bubble for MK's post, there wasnt really anything overtly negative about it, you simply hit disagree and reply to his comment.

he didnt really "attack" mario or miyamoto either. personaly I only dock bubbles for blatantly stupid fanboy comments.

I understand what you saying, thats what the system is for too "shut a user up" and thats up to every user too decide who should talk more or less.

cheers :D

[Prismo_Fillusion]

I don't really disagree with you.

However, I generally give and take bubbles based on if I want to continue to hear someone's opinion. I don't want to hear MK_Red's anti-nintendo jargon just as much as I don't want to hear TheMART's anti-ps3 jargon (right system?) or some ps3fanboy's anti-halo jargon. I realize that he didn't say anything too awful in this post, but I think he has too many bubbles for someone so close minded.

Blah. I know I sound like I have a stick up my arse haha. Ah well.

[felman87]

Sonic 2 did the 3-D spherical world in video games I believe. (or was it the first sonic) Gotta give props to the Earth for being spherical itself though. If it was square, I think the conversation would be different.

[Apocwhen]

Sonic 3 I think. you had to turn the blue sphere's into red ones in the spherical world. Sonic 2 had the half pipe of rings with Tails.

[apoc06]

the flat world in the sonic games is a long shot to compare to mario galaxy. the worlds [complete with objects and enemies] in going commando are much closer to mario galaxy. in fact the level design almost seems like they could be used interchangably.

[Agriel]

the article totally takes what they are saying out of context, if you read the real interview. Yet another flamebait slow day at Kotaku

[BlackCountryBob]

That title is a little inflammatory isn't it? All they were saying is that they would like to think that the work they did had influenced someone as genuinely brilliant as Miyamoto, its hero worship, they never said he definitely did "copy" Ratchet, just that they would like to think they had a hand in inspiring the grand master of game design.

[mentalboy11]

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[Lumbo]

Wow, made up controversy much ?

Take Insomniacs decent comment:
"It would be amazing to think that Miyamoto-san thought that was so cool that he wanted to incorporate it into Mario Galaxy"

gogo gadget Kotakuflameinventer:

"Insomniac Dude Reckons Mario Galaxy just ripping off Insomniac's games" + a stupid "HACK" picture

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

thank u!

man, some people on this are unbelievable.

[jigaman]

Very misleading. You called it perfectly. Someone isn't very bright in their healine posting.

[Makawee]

Wait...what ?!

Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (2003)
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal (2004)

Super Mario 128 Tech Demo (2000)

....okay...

[ItsDubC]

I was wondering when someone was gonna mention that.

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[PS360WII]

ah hahahahhahaha wait wait wait ahahahahaahahhhahahahaha.

So they had a spherical world in one of there games and now any game with spherical worlds is based off of there game... oh here it comes again ahhahahhahahahaahaha.

[ChickeyCantor]

wasnt....super mario world 2: yoshis island doing the job in 2d?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
( here is the gameboy advance port

[VirusE]

ps360wii i couldnt have said it better myself.

[Calicojack]

a spherical world. I wonder why nobody ever thought of that before insomniac.

[vertigun]

How cool would it be to have a sherical race track in mario kart.
I hope they thought of that one.

[Brainiac 8]

That would be the case. Nintendo thought of that concept before 3-D even came around with Yoshi's Island. On top of that the Mario 128 demo they tried to incorporate it but couldn't get it to work to their satisfaction. This is not something that Insomniac invented.

While I don't think that the comment was anything derogitory at Miyamoto, they should do some research before making such claims. All those people who are now praising Insomniac for being such a "influence" should also do your homework. There was gaming before X-Box and Playstation, even if you don't want to believe it.

[ChickeyCantor]

The problem is that allot of gamers ignore the games in the past.
The moment i saw this title i saw a flashback...SMW:2 yoshis island.
there could be a game before SMW:2 but all i can say and remember is SMW:2.

[Dudeson42]

If Miyamoto is ripping off Insomniac, then Insomniac is ripping off God.

I've been living on a spherical world since 1984...

[Leathersoup]

Double post :(

[Leathersoup]

While the whole god thing is debatable (well at least from the "he doesn't exist" standpoint) you have the right idea. Anyone who thinks that if someone puts a "spherical world" in their game that they came up with the concept is ridiculous.

People should not be able to copyright, patent, or even claim a mimic of reality as their concept. It's preposterous.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

He didn`t say their RIPPING it off. (thats pretty harsh)
He`s saying, he`s FLATTERED(big difference) that MARIO Galaxy has used ELEMENTS found in previous RATCHETs.

i would be too.

INSOMNIAC is PURE CLASS.

RC:FTOD here i come.

[Enigma_2099]

(((It would be amazing to think that Miyamoto-san thought that was so cool that he wanted to incorporate it into Mario Galaxy.)))

And AGAIN, people flat out ignore this part....

The only thing people concentrate on when looking at this article is the big "HACK" pic that was submitted... this article was a blatant flamebait post to turn people against Insomniac. I'm sure the pending release of Ratchet and Clank Future had NOTHING to do with this....

[jigaman]

Good call Brainiac! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Don't try to flatter yourself Insomniac.

[chrisin3]

They are a great company and have great developers. Insomniac got voted in as one of the top 10 best small companies to work for 3 years in a row. The comments they made aren't half as bad as other developers, not to mention Microsoft and Sony Executives.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3...

[socomnick]

Stop arguing people ill settle this easily
Mario >>>>> ratchet and clank

[XxZxX]

Double You Tee Eff

[Wii60_FTW]

lmao. funny article.

[texism]

Wait, so Galaxy ripped off of Ratchet and Clank...which ripped off a bunch of generic platformers...that just basically ripped off of Super Mario 64.

So Galaxy is an evolution of Super Mario 64. No effing way!

[KnowitAll]

They seem more like thier honored that Mario game seems to be doing something they did. I don't see it as a bad thing " LIKE THEY COPIED US!!"

The only funny part was "They're also proud of their originality".
Whos created a egg trowing tounge swallowing dinosaur? A fire shooting jumping plumber? Pikmin, pokemon(Was a nintendo game, so popular they made it into a anime) If talking about originality nintendo is the right ones. Thats a reason I like Nintendo, so original.

[WilliamRLBaker]

they benefited from high sales because they we're pretty much the only true platformers on an 100m selling system, you had no choice on what you wanted to play when it came to that genre, in the end the games sucked with like 3 iterations without a single upgrade sept slightly better graphics and this one looks to be the same.

the same game we've played 3 times but with no upgrades at all.

[doncorleone7]

ratchet and clank ripped off the mario games

[Enigma_2099]

...EVERY platformer ripped off Super Mario bros.

[doomsonyman]

@Enigma_2099 i agree

[junk56]

wow wuts up with fanboys all over the place.
insomniac and nintendo are class companies
they make triple a games left and right
and reinvented 3d platformers as we know it.

seriously, they're both creative and express their art styles they way they want to, and they make games that are a lot of fun. they're the type of companies that make what they want, not the public.

*cough* MICROSOFT *cough*