StrengthGamer: Homosexuality in Dragon Age 2 - Now You Judge?

" If you are playing as a Male and decide that you want to be in a relationship with another Male character - the choice is right there. Prefer the company of Females? Have at it. Dragon Age 2 doesn't judge.

Unfortunately for both Bioware and the gay community, gamers everywhere do judge."

[AvidGamerrrr]

Very good points - not what I thought the article was going to be about at all. I figured it would be anti-gay, and it's pro. Nicely done.

[AnthonyAccinell]

Thanks.

[Christopher]

I do have to admit that it felt like it was actually a lot easier to have a relationship with male characters, whether a male of female Hawke, than it was with female characters. Both Anders and Fenris gave me flirt options a ton, especially. Though, Isabella is the easiest to get into bed it seems, requiring only two flirtation moments before she comes over for a quick, tame cut scene.

[Active Reload]

I'm a lesbian who loves eating kitty cat.

[DigitalHorror81]

I'm a straight guy that loves eating kitty cat.

[mindedone]

I'm a kitty cat that likes eating soylent green.

[Active Reload]

I will fight you over the kitty cat.

[Mystickay86]

Here's a confession: I'm in love with a man. What? I'm in love with a man... a man named God. Does that make me gay? Am I gay for God? You betcha.

[Kran]

Its wrong people against it. Im a straight guy and its just wrong. How love is portrayed in a game is the developers choice, not the gamers.

Don't want your character to fall in love with a guy if you're a guy? Then stay away from those options.

I find it odd how girl on girl is fine to gamers, but guy on guy is just completely wrong. How stupid is that? Nobody's forcing you to watch the sex scenes, so dont. To make it easier, dont fall in love at all in the game :/

[Baka-akaB]

I dont care with the choice . It's just that in da2 , the conversation led too quickly to male/male romance .

Seriously the very first times you meet with anders or fenris you get the heart shaped flirt related lines , and for a girl openly skanky as Isabela you need a bit more ?

Good idea but not always well executed

[DanSolo]

That is the problem with this type of thing. Whether or not it should even be included in games, especially games that might be played by children is one argument...

But if it is included (rightly or wrongly) then it should not be an open or in your face thing. It should be something that would take a small amount of effort to get things going in that direction before it becomes accessible, as at least then the very small percentage of the population who want it are catered for, but without it being something that would be accidentally stumbled into by some kid just trying to play a game with swords and spells.

But then sometimes the motives behind the inclusion of this type of thing is questionable.... maybe it is just to give people of different types options.... but just as often it is about the wider promotion of something and to gradually force it to be acceptable (particularly by targeting entertainment mediums in which kids will be repeatedly exposed to it)
that type of thing happens all too often and is quite an insidious and creepy way of doing things....
It also lessens any real arguments by decent people who happen to be different and just want to be allowed to live their lives as who they are.

[TacoTaru]

I'm not so sure that being disturbed by homosexuality has to be a religious thing. Evolution would lead us in the direction of whatever is best for propagation of the species and acceptance of homosexuality would tend to be counter (re)productive.

Just a thought I never thought before.

[DanSolo]

Well that's the thing mate, these days people get so caught up in the whole religious side of the argument that they overlook the scientific facts of procreation.

It's like if someone is homosexual then what they do is their business. But it is quite obviously not the way nature intended it to be and can never be "right" no matter how many arguments are made in its defense or how many arguments against it are shouted down.

It is not a good thing for our species no matter how it is dressed up; but at the same time that does not give anyone the right to persecute people for being the way they are if they do not hurt anyone else.

[Baka-akaB]

I doubt its fair to single out that aspect as counter productive to species propagation , when well it has hardly been a prerogative and preoccupation .

Most of our society and traditions are definitively unnatural in that aspect .
So what's the point of isolating that one deviation among gazillions of them ?

[DanSolo]

That is true, there are a lot of unnatural things that the human race as a species, and the various cultures around the world engage in.

But that does not change the fact that as things stand at the moment, there has been a big push in recent years to make homosexuality accepted as normal, good, and even cool.

Now I have no objections to a genuine drive to stop a group of people being bullied or picked on because of who and what they are as long as they are not hurting anyone else. But what has been happening is more social engineering to force people to accept something, than any kind of altruistic push to better humanity.... and yet that is what it is nauseatingly dressed up as.

Reasonable debate has been quashed repeatedly by various means, and numerous tactics of manipulation have been disguised as reasonable debate.

[Mr Scooch]

Woooo there!!!

What's happened here???

This is turning into a reasonably intelligent debate!

That's not why I stopped readin N4G comments!

Where's all the "My Xbox pwns ur PS3" comments?

Well said though, you both made some interesting and thought provoking comments ther!

[mindedone]

One might also note that the biological imperative might not always be what is good for the species. This particular imperative is blind to overpopulation; it is blind to genetic deformities that do not manifest until after a species has past its fertile years. So, although homosexuality may not be a trait that manifests itself from this particular biological imperative, homosexuality may be good for the species in some aspect.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

"in some aspects" isn't good enough. Homosexuals still account for the vast majority of sexually transmitted diseases. Also I'm not sure what you mean by "trait". Homosexuality is a choice not a gene.

[mindedone]

Isn't good enough for what? By your comment about STDs, clearly you didn't understand me, as STDs solve the same biological problem that homosexuality does, i.e., overpopulation.

As for the use of trait, I was specific enough to not use the term "genetic" trait, but I'm glad that you are able to positively affirm a question that scientists still debate.

[DanSolo]

Actually it does nothing to stem the MASSIVE problem of overpopulation that the human race has to deal with in the coming years.

What with homosexuals now adopting kids, and lesbians getting IVF treatments and sperm donations it pretty much will have no impact on stemming overpopulation.... which is a shame seeing as overpopulation is at the very top of all the mounting problems the human race will have to finally start dealing with at some point.

And all that homosexuals having kids will do is ensure, in yet another of many ways, that the next generation will be even more inclined towards buying in to the notion that it is a good and normal thing which is currently being force-fed to society.

When really the only argument that should be made is that even if it is not a good and normal thing that they should not be persecuted for it if they are not hurting anyone else.

Unfortunately that good and reasonable argument has been well and truly buried beneath manipulated popular opinion and militant actions behind the scenes.

And to digress a little bit... that is the problem with the human race in most respects.... that rather than use our intelligence to solve problems by looking at them honestly and objectively... every group/facet of society just uses it to try to prove that they are "right" irrespective of the reality of the situation.
Lying to themselves so as not to have to deal with the cognitive dissonance of realising that they are wrong and in fact their "RIGHTS" may actually be more about what they "WANT".

But hey.... if people were to think logically and to think about the betterment of the species rather than their own selfish wants..... then the fanboy/celebrity worshippers/and idiots of every other kind would just die out..... and wouldn't that be a shame?

[mindedone]

By "it does nothing" I will assume you mean "it does almost nothing," as it can be measured that homosexuals have on average less babies than heterosexuals. If you feel I am nitpicking, I apologize. I do not much like hyperbole and exaggeration.

[Pillville]

Kill all the men you want in games. Shoot, stab, explode, beat, dismember 100s or 1000s of them.. But if you kiss one, we better alert the moral police.

[Jacobite]

I remember the word Gay meant happy not homosexual, not saying that homos are not happy chappys. Got 1 in the work doesnt seem to be happier than anyone else! so why the term Gay.

[BDSE]

Good, As, You.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Agree

The word gay does mean happy but in our society ppl have used it as a derogatory term. So it puzzles me how homosexual ppl even refer to themselves as gay. It's no different than black ppl calling each other the n word.

[BDSE]

Sexuality is just a social construct anyways. The way I see it if you don't like homosexual acts then don't do it. Live and let live I say.

[Jacobite]

lol Live and let live was that a James Bond film, nope live and let die lol yes each to there own but further down you not mocking religious folk.

[XabiTheHumble]

I don't fuck with that gay shit, definitely not picking this game up now.

[Mr Scooch]

HAHAHA

That's more like the comments we're used to on here!

[TheDivine]

Meh, do what you like. Jesus said love everybody so those that use religion to demean others are misguided. I think bieng gay is wrong, just as sleeping around is wrong. We are meant to marry one person to be faithful to and raise children. Everybody has temptations and weaknesses but if you have faith you can overcome them. I still think ALL people deserve to be treated kindly and i have friends that were gay. People are people but it bothers me that in America today children are raised to believe bieng gay is normal and having two dads is fine. Morality and God are losing to political correctness. I think people need to know we were meant for marriage to one person of the oppisite sex, as God intended. If people chose to do otherwise treat them the same as everybody else but kids need to know what God asks not what society says is ok. God said sex without marriage is a sin, marriage is a man and woman, 1+1=2. America has made believing in God uncool and make out christians to be narrow minded hate filled biggots when true christians understand that Christs last commandment was to love everybody, EVERYBODY. Little things like this degrade the morality and character of our country.

[BDSE]

"God" said don't eat shrimp and I see plenty of people who claim to be religious eat that stuff likes its going out of fashion.

[XabiTheHumble]

Actually "shrimp" are not mentioned in the Bible although they would fall under the category of prohibited sea food since they don't have "fins and scales".

Those two laws were symbolic "holiness" laws that were pointing ahead to the inner holiness that God would provide when the Lord Jesus returned to Heaven and tag teamed the Holy Spirit who came down from Heaven to indwell believers and make them Holy on the inside.

Here's how the Lord Jesus clarified this issue.

Mark 7:17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19 For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.") 20 He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21 For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and make a man "unclean.'"

[BDSE]

Kenrocc

http://www.godhatesshrimp.c...

[Mr Scooch]

Procreation is about furthering the human race. Marrying and staying faithful one person isn't human nature, it's religious nature.
The human race didn't evolve by being monogamous.
You have friends that "were" gay? hmmmmm. sounds interesting.
Anyway this isn't a personal attack on you or your beliefs, I'm just saying that what you believe your god says doesn't necessarily correspond with what I or other people believe.

[Agent VX]

Look at all the homophobes.

It is simple, you don't want a homosexual relationship in your game, don't do things to promote a homosexual relationship.

And nobody cares what you think of "homosexuality", not your life, not your choice.

[BigPappaPump]

Good article.

[mightyboot]

I dont judge i accept it because it doesnt concern me.

[moe84]

Complete BS. If you don't want butt sex with Anders, just don't select the <3 choices in conversations. I went through the game and just used humor and "nice" choices with him. Mixed with occasional positive and negative decisions in the story, I was able to keep him as an ally and never get my butt plugged.