PS3 Firmware 3.60 Unhackable?

According to PS3 hacker Youness Alaoui, known as KakARoToKS, PS3 firmware 3.60 has a completely revamped security architecture model that does not use the exploited and compromised loaders, and therefore unhackable.

[cakeisalie]

Not hard owning 2 ps3's one for online another for SP games, though yea new games wont be playable.

[Dante112]

KakARoToKS: Wow, in 3.60, Sony removed all the loaders, no more isoldr/lv1ldr/lv2ldr/appldr.. but they added lv0.2! Seems they found a way to secure ps3.

KakARoToKS:We already have the metldr key, the thing is that they don’t use metldr anymore, at all!"

"A dumbed down explanation of the PS3 security is such that PS3 loads metldr at some point which than launches all the OS and game loaders, which the hackers were able to bypass. It was shown in fail0verfl0w presentations that metldr cannot be changed, so the PS3 would be vulnerable forever. It appears that Sony has found a way to bypass metldr, and if they properly signed their code this time, it should be secure once again."

Sweet, I hope it really is that secure but we will see in the coming days.

[dangert12]

Keep buying those games and supporting devs i like my high quality ps3 exclusives and it seems there going to keep coming props to sony for chasing these hackers down like the organised crime rings they are and patching back up the loop hole that gave the a buy

[Dragun619]

Well, looks like Sony was able to find a solution after all, even though those hackers claimed that Sony can't doing anything about it.

[SpitFireAce85]

Yeah i hope as well..but dont get your hopes up
since i believe nothing is hacker proof..

[Pixelated_Army]

Good. With Sony in constant communication with your PS3 you're basically f***ed. So give it up kiddies.

[Rynx]

This isn't going to stop attention whore hackers from rapid posting fake news about finding a way around this...

I'll give it half a day before an article on N4G titled: "Firmware 3.60 is Hacked!" shows up and then reaches over 500 degrees...

Only for it to be proven false (and mocked) in a different article hours after that. Yet by then the "Hacked!" article will have reached 800 degrees.

*sigh

I'm depressing my own self just typing this because IT WILL happen(again!)... This deranged charade has got to stop.

[Istanbull]

I also got 2 PS3's, 1 for my PS3 exclusives and playing online with my friends. The other for homebrew and emulators.

I hope 3.60 completly shuts down pirates from playing any games or accesssing the PSN, who do they think they are? Freedom fighters? Lmao!

Oh yeah, and where are those little hacker freaks with no social life claiming PS3 security was epic fail? You got owned baby!

[EYEamNUMBER1]

raise your hand if you actually think 3.60 is unhackable mmk if you raised your hand your an idiot

i honestly can't help but think someone is completely retarded when they use the word unhackable

[BattleAxe]

I was wondering why it was taking so long to install this update.

[rockleex]

Sony has updated the PS3 to allow TIGER BLOOD to run through its veins!

Its security is now a totally different beast!

[meetajhu]

Kakarotoks doesn't know shit wait till our Lord Geohot responds!

[nveenio]

I hope it makes a difference...at least for a little while. Two different types of cracks will just confuse anyone trying to crack their system, and that will hopefully lead to them messing their own system up for good.

[Crazyglues]

Sony : 2

Hackers : 0

OWNED!!!

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[Perjoss]

I'm pretty sure Sony thought firmware 1.00 was 'unhackable' also.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

but blaze claimed sony cant find a solution

[sikbeta]

That's a kick in the face of those loser-hackers, keep away of the PS3, we get loads of Awesome Quality Games, we don't need those losers to screw that for PS3 owners and before someone says, "they don't pirate games" I don't give a DAMN! they may not do it, but they help lame douche-pirates to steal and play games for free...

[Mahr]

No worries. This too shall pass. :-)

[DeFFeR]

Not that I think it will happen right away - but nothing is "unhackable". I don't like it when things are hacked for malicious purposes (aka stealing) but it's kinda cool to see what people can do with different things on their own time for personal (read: themselves - no sharing) use and enjoyment.

[pixelsword]

Aren't Apple computers (at least some types) unhackable?

[KingPin]

owning 2 consoles, 1 for online MP, 1 for offline SP. whats the point of that? if you not playing "backups" you have nothing to hide. and if it is a "backup" then you still gonna need the actual game disc to work in your online machine.

P.S - in this case, backups = pirated games, as in all other cases.

[Perjoss]

not that I support piracy in any way at all, but buying a 2nd console to play pirate single player games turns out a lot cheaper than if you buy the games. Obviously this depends on how many single player games you ant to play over the course of the consoles life.

lets say you paid £425 for your ps3 (close to launch) you'd only need to pirate and play 11 single player games (retailing at £40) for the 2nd ps3 to pay for itself.

[nycredude]

You are forgetting something. That logic only makes sense if you are pirating new full price games, which is made obsolete with the newest firmware. you are now relegated to older games that runs on older firmware.

If it stays this way you logic is flawed because you can get most of those older games at very low prices now.

[Mahr]

"owning 2 consoles, 1 for online MP, 1 for offline SP. whats the point of that?"

One system that runs all the features of custom firmware, one system that gets to play new games and access the PSN.

"if you not playing "backups" you have nothing to hide."

That would only be true if Sony actually cared to distinguish between those using modded systems to run benign Homebrew applications (Linux, XBMC, custom soundtracks, HDD installs, etc) and those using it for evil (i.e., piracy and online cheating).

[Electroshocked]

I think that new games that come out will require this update or the latest update to be playable, therefore I don't think you will be able to play any new games.

[TheHardware]

Thank goodness....I Think I want to beat up a hacker...is that a biased crime?

[suicidalblues]

I'd hold the bitch down for you.

[SlyFoxC]

lets do this shit....everyone else....look away

[BubbleSniper]

LOL! +1

[house]

shot gun fist in the hackers face!!

[ugabugaz]

I think who you're mad at are pirates. Hackers are the ones that only find a way into a closed system. I've personally benefited greatly from hack invented software, especially on say the psp. Wouldn't want to live in a hacker free society, definitely not.

[TheMrMadzen]

Fuck yeah!

[iamtehpwn]

Defeat the current hack? Yes.
Unhackable? LOL. If government computers can be hacked, anything can.

[ToastyMcNibbles]

That's what I'm thinking too. It's unfortunate but I guarantee you in a couple of hours we'll get an article here saying "PS3 Firmware 3.60 Hacked".

[xAlmostPro]

just because he used the unhackable doesn't mean that, it can't still be hacked.. however.. if this is true it's going to take a long time for hackers to work out a new way to do it now..

by which time sony could already re-change everything again etc

[coldfoot]

Exactly, all the work that's been done by the jailbreak guys, fail0verfl0w guys, and geohot has been negated, if this is indeed true and they'll have to start all over again. Not to mention much fewer people will try now due to Sony's legal threats.

[awesomeperson]

The question is how LONG it will take to rehack it.

I hope its years but it'l be more like days or weeks XD

[Dark_king]

wasn't really ever hacked.The got a hold of the keys to sign programs to run.

[Kakkoii]

Government computers tend to be outdated pieces of shit, since they almost never feel the need to upgrade their computer, nor do they want to spend the money on it. Most government computers are notoriously insecure lol.

[Dark_king]

Really,I would say most really are.However certain branches do have some pretty nice tech.How many people have really hacked the army,airforce are navy computers.

[sehnsucht]

No kidding!

Note: Your avatar gets you bonus points on your post, being based on the old P4 logo!

@Dark_king,
Isn't the Army the branch that loses a laptop with top secret data every other month?

[nycredude]

I think you guys are giving too much credit to government computers. Like most government they are overbudget, and painfully behind in their online security. Banks are way more secured than government computers.

[SwampCroc]

hopefully this is true.. and everyone can get back to the normal routine of just playing the games.

[RonXD]

Meh....An article will be up in the morning stating 3.60 has already been cracked.

[soup187]

"Winning" :D

[ToastyMcNibbles]

Lmao

[ZeroChaos]

"Epic, Winning!"

[jsc249jobal]

LOL

Go Sheenite!

[bobrea]

Nothing is "unhackable." Just extremely difficult to hack.

[Kran]

Of course it's still hackable (unfortunatly)

Give then time.

NOTHING is unhackable. Not even a Transformer (if they were real) is unhackable ;P

[Shmotz]

Glad to hear it.

[Godmars290]

If this does pans out, then the Geohot suit will become a waste. For Geohot.

[hellzsupernova]

i hope this does work and Sony slaps him back into the stoneage

[ugabugaz]

Why only mention Geohot? I personally think Graf Chokolo is in much deeper shit.

[darksied]

I'm all for Sony for stopping piracy in THIS generation, but my hope is that everything they're learning will go toward their next system, making it even more secure without sacrificing any features.

[saladthieves]

I need help with this. Recently, I decided to upgrade my old PS3 80GB Hard drive. I did an entire backup using the utility in the system settings, prepared to replace my old 80GB with a 1TB one, but then I did the dumbest thing: I destroyed everything that was on the 80GB hard drive right after removing it, without making sure that the new 1TB is formatted and fully working in the PS3!

Karma bit me in the ass! Remember the whole problem about the system update 3.56 preventing hard drive upgrades? That's precisely what happened. I boot the PS3, it detects that the hard drive inside needs formatting. It asks for the update software on the removable media (ver. 3.56 or above). I follow all procedures and end up with an error (8002F225) about data corruption...The thing is there are two different versions of 3.56:

-3.56 version 1 (original) is the one that caused the PS3s to refuse HDD upgrades.

-3.56 version 2 (a revision) solved these problems BUT, it is only available through updating your PS3 via an internet connection.
The update listed on the PS website is still 3.56 version 1 instead of version 2 and therefore refuses to format the hard drive and always reports with a data corrupted error (8002F225).

So, version 2, which fixes these issues is ONLY available on the PS3 via the internet. The one on the PSN website is version 1. My PS3 doesn't work, so I can't access the internet...I can't replace the HDD and put in the old 80GB HDD because I had already taken it out and formatted it (externally on my computer).

Question is: Does this firmware 3.60 fix this issue if I were to download it and put it on a flash drive?? Anyone tried this yet?

[ChilliDemon]

Well, the PSN site states that each firmware update is cumulative and contains ALL previous updates, so 'YES' I would expect that 3.60 will contain the second version of 3.56

There's no harm in trying it. Good luck :)

[AGamerOfConsoles]

Nothing is unhackable. This will turn out the same way as last time. Hackers will always find "the back door" if thats the way to put it.

They'll crack it eventually.

[hellzsupernova]

they love the "backdoor" lol

[Master of Unlocking]

"backdoor"..."c rack"...hmm :)

[nskrishna2]

It'll be hacked eventually..after ps4 comes out

[jerethdagryphon]

sonys playing this like a master security gets hacked

they go quiet.

then reemerge on the legal front why they work out a stratagy

like a flashbang lots of noise and lighrt to distract .

while the attentions on that they rework the encryption keys to block imidiate attempts

then bam all of a sunnden its a new ballgame. they did something noone thought theyd do and thats rework the loader

no point having a backdoor if it lead to a steel wall.

everyone thought theres be code changes and additional layer but a radical change like this was not expected thing is the hackers have themselves to blame sonys read there posts downloads there tools and looks at how they work

masterfully done by sony.

[nskrishna2]

true...:)

[Soldierone]

Its not "unhackable" but the current loaders dont work. Which means Timmy cant be cool ruining Modern Warfare 2 anymore until the "cool" hackers release new tools to easily "hack" any system again. They have to rebuild it from the ground up. It wont be as hard or take as long as they know what to do now, but Sony has measures in place and is taking legal actions against anyone releasing anything. so have fun trying.

if the hackers are actually smart, which doesnt seem to be the case with Geohot, then they will hack it again but keep the hack to themselves and let Sony and all the little timmies believe it isn't hacked. Theny they get to keep it hacked without causing a big deal.

[sjaakiejj]

"They know what to do now"

Not exactly. They knew what to do until this firmware version, but from KakARoToKS comments it's clear that they do not know what to do to hack this one. They're back at square zero.

The only thing I imagine will happen is that they find some way to revert this, or they will just tell everyone to stick with the previous firmware, and modify the games to be supported with them. Though game developers could embed code within their games that checks if you're running firmware 3.60 or higher.

[ugabugaz]

Modern Warfare 2 hacks didn't require a modded system. Derp.

[frankiebeans]

everything is hackable it just takes time and effort.
the ps3 was un-hackable before it was hacked.
the point is if somebody really wants to hack the ps3 they will, people have hacked bigger things then the ps3 lol.

[DragonKnight]

PS3 was never hacked. Keys were stolen. There's a monumental difference. No one went into the PS3's OS and found a way to circumvent the security measures on their own.

[frankiebeans]

was hacked shhhh dont talk

[SSKILLZ]

The only way to stOp hackers is to change the language of programing , kind of like talking in code , for example the writting in dead space it's in a weird alien language but translated in normal alphabet .

[bobrea]

....

There's no way you can be serious.

[nskrishna2]

Production costs will shoot up..and hackers can learn any computer language...

[jsc249jobal]

Worst idea ever buddy. Creating a whole other computer language will temporary stop the hackers, but will take much longer to get running then it will to hack.

Sony is doing the best thing possible. Scare all would be people who are actually smart enough to hack it into not releasing anything and simultaneously have people working to stay a step ahead of the holes. Most normal people want NOTHING to do with a lawyer team that makes six figures, period.

[SSKILLZ]

Haha just saying , persecution and hard sentencing should unmotivate the hackers .

[kingofps3]

Well, take that you dumb hackers. Break that (at least try it from within your jail cell).

peace off

[bobrea]

And on a side note, LOL to whoever is comparing this to some type of organized crime ring. You don't have to hack your PS3 if you don't want to, and other people doing it put you in no danger. Give me a break. People tend to forget that we're all talking about video games here. there's a real world too.

[Mmmkay]

sure. if everyone hacked their console and stopped buying games there will be NO GAMES releasing next year ! didn't think of that did you ?

[bobrea]

Sorry to refute what you thought was a genius revelation, but yes, I have. Hacking a console isn't some easy two-step process, and far exceeds the average consumer's knowledge. I can all but guarantee you that the percentage of consoles that have been hacked is extremely minimal. The PS3 being hacked isn't the doomsday bullshit that people like you are making it out to be.

[jsc249jobal]

I was more worried about people creating a cfw that looked the same, but stole your personal information. Imagine someone getting access to hundreds of credit card information and selling it.

[ChristianGamer]

Anyone else think its ironic that 3.60 is unhackable?? 3.60

[WitWolfy]

LOL yeah its kinda ironic hahaha

[nskrishna2]

Lol..thats funny..
But you're still a troll..:|

[Buho]

LOL! Yeah, it is :)

[ugabugaz]

Unhackable for now. Nothing is permanently unhackable.

[WitWolfy]

GREAT NEWS!!!! coming from a guy who bricked half of the "homebrew" PS3's out there that is... Now we dont have to worry about getting a new FW update every second week to keep these idiots at bay anymore

[leonlion]

Ps360

[wissam]

This can't be patched. right ? got to love the internet.
where are all the people who said this can't be patched.
even failoverflow got owned this time.

[Nitrowolf2]

yeah

I remember them saying that if Sony removes or stop using metldr keys then all past games will seize to work

well i'm still able to play Uncharted 2 so.....

""KakARoToKS: Wow, in 3.60, Sony removed all the loaders, no more isoldr/lv1ldr/lv2ldr/appldr.. but they added lv0.2! Seems they found a way to secure ps3.

KakARoToKS:We already have the metldr key, the thing is that they don’t use metldr anymore, at all!"

"A dumbed down explanation of the PS3 security is such that PS3 loads metldr at some point which than launches all the OS and game loaders, which the hackers were able to bypass. It was shown in fail0verfl0w presentations that metldr cannot be changed, so the PS3 would be vulnerable forever. It appears that Sony has found a way to bypass metldr, and if they properly signed their code this time, it should be secure once again."

[NeloAnjelo]

I hope this is true.
I also hope the whole Geohot and Fail0verflow crew get fried.

Both of these should work towards less hacking attempts. However it could also achieve the opposite.

[theaceh]

If only they would use their great minds and talent towards finding cures for cancer and other illnesses they would really be helping the world become a better place, and receive massive props even after their time on earth is up.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Since when do computers and technology = biology? Does anyone think before they post?

[dead_eye]

@ZombieNinjaPanda Folding@Home says hi

[red2tango]

Congratulations to Sony, winning against the odds but here is a new firmware that bypasses 3.60:

http://psx-scene.com/forums...

It will get blocked soon though, but hackers aren't giving up.

[doolindesperado]

I'm sure someone will crack it. Give it about 10 minutes...

[RyuCloudStrife]

remain unhackable im begging you PS3 :)

[ballsofsteel]

nothing is unhackable but hopefully it slows them down

[Ethereal]

Told ya they were working on a fix.

[RustInPeace]

Good for Sony, but I wouldn't say "unhackable" yet because you know there's some nerd whose only goal in life (since they never had one before the PS3 came out, or rather, after the removal of OtherOS) is to try and "hack" the new firmware. I just wish either one of 2 things would happen:

1) Sony is able to either completely stop this hacking shit so we can get worthwhile system updates, or trace a PS3 and just brick it once a red flag goes up on a tampered system (waiting for the floods of disagrees...)

2) This site would actually REPORT NEWS and not rely on opinion pieces from "the opposition" (360 bias reporters submitting PS3 "news" and vise-versa, or hack supporters submitting stories on updates they claim WILL be hacked within hours, whether or not it is) for hits (as in, hire some real gaming journalists to report news, because this shits out of control and needs to be moderated or SHUT DOWN COMPLETELY!)

..... But neither of those will ever happen... ::sigh::

[bozebo]

It isn't unhackable. No firmware for anything is unhackable.

The question is, is it too hard to hack for the people who want to hack it to be able to?

[RustInPeace]

The question isn't "is it too hard to hack?" but "how long will it take if there is a loophole somewhere?" These kids apparently don't want software or security jobs to make money for themselves, but instead want internet fame for being a douchebag and forcing Sony to again go back and look for an exploit they never thought someone would waste their time finding.

[Mister_G]

Unfortunatley the action taken against GeoHot might have annoyed some hackers they may try to hack it even if it is VERY hard and time consuming.

Sad really.

[Kte]

It's about got damn time!!! WOOT Secure gaming FTW!

[Mister_G]

Well done Sony. Apparently they've totally changed the loaders, which can't have been easy to do.

[Wizeguy21]

Great! Sony can go back to NOT giving us xgame chat

[Treyb3yond]

Dude f*ck xgame chat. It ruined xbl.

[paradiselost93]

So im assuming it's safer to play mw2?

[coldfoot]

MW2 had a server side update way before this firmware that fixed all the cheating and glitching.

[Holeran]

Wow, they got to hack the PS3 for a whole 3 months after working years to try and hack it. And honestly who thought that a bunch of losers were going to take down a giant in the technology industry anyways. Better luck next time Geosnot.

[Ch1d0r1]

Sony is full of WIN today. Wins over LG and has hackers back on their heels. Now we wait to see how long the 3.6 update lasts.

[Krakn3Dfx]

If this works, good on them.

[Darkseeker]

MLB 11: The Show and a few other games came with 3.56 and were made to work on 3.55 in a few hours.

So you guys are wrong, hackers can play any games on 3.55. Even games that aren't out and would requires higher firmware like 3.60, 4.00, 5.00 or even 232.00 could be made to work on 3.55.

In other words, hackers aren't missing out on anything as they can play every games.

It also works like that for PSP. GAmes that come out today and requires 6.35 or above can be played on 5.00 with a fix.

Same thing for the Wii, even though they try to put the update on disc, the backup can easily be patched to remove the update and play on any firmware.

Same thing will undoubtely happen with the 3DS. Nintendo think they can brick your console with updates, but if you get a flashcart in the future, no need to upgrade as games can be made to work on the old firmwares.

[astrobrights]

I'm glad they made it secure, but nothing is unhackable. That's stupid to even say.

[Scotty056]

This going to be followed by 3 topics saying, "3.6 Cracked"

[hesido]

Sony has to make sure games requiring 3.60 should not require it "just on paper" and they need to hook to 3.60 specific functions, so fooling these games to work on older games should be harder.

[boss_killa]

What's so good about hacking anyway? It seems like way too much trouble.

Sony's not giving an inch to hackers so I don't know why anyone would waste their energy on this. If 3.60 is hacked Sony will just release 3.61 and so on and so forth. This cycle will never end.

[Treyb3yond]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hackers are nothing but total failures.

[LoneWanderer09]

Sony!!! Sony!!! Sony!!!

[mindedone]

How can the same people that said "Sony will never be able to secure their system again! It's hacked forever!" come around and say that Sony's system can never be unhackable?

You can't have it both ways. If it's possible to hack something, then it's possible to unhack it.

[Truth777]

Behold my people!!! The Truth shall set you free. You are bearing witness to history in the making, I speak the truth and nothing but the truth, an unbiased Truth. I have sat back and watched you people fight back and forth, 360 vs PS3 vs PC well now the Truth will be your only answer.

For my first post I will state, Nothing is unhackable!!! It may take time, but someone will eventually exploit the system again and again.

Praise Truth

[denero1]

you guys shut up its when we talk like this saying ohh hahaha "f u hackers" "its unhackable hahahah" why stir the pot its closed down so be humble and go play games

[Laeto256]

hmmm interesting, obviously Sony isn't giving up on securing the system. Which is honestly good for everybody especially their image with developers