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Judge Allows Sony to Unmask Anybody Who Visited GeoHot Site

A federal magistrate is granting Sony the right to acquire the internet IP addresses of anybody who has visited PlayStation 3 hacker George Hotz’ website from January of 2009 to the present.
Also included in the subpoena is the request from all traffic from George Hotz' twitter account as well as data from Youtube and Google.

Kamikaze1354820d ago

Ouch, glad I never visited the site.

Focker4204820d ago

Wow!! Same here, not like I've done anything wrong though.

limewax4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

Kind of stupid really, I thought GeoHots site consisted mostly of Iphone jailbreaks, not really going to help sony much surely?

Edit: I see that he apparently also hosted the PS3 jailbreak, Maybe the article meant the people who downloaded that specifically. Since you know, Sony dont own Apple

Also what if anybody anti-piracy went on the site to get his e-mail and hatemail him? Theres always bound to be a few

badz1494819d ago

"Sony doesn't have a case". so far, Geodouche is being raped hard!

darkdoom30004819d ago

Take off your tinfol hats boys.

It only allows sony's lawyers to geolocate where the views are comming from,
they want to prove that there were enough viewrs from califonia so they can do the court hearing from there.

Sony cant do anything else with the information.

Red_Phoenix4819d ago

@darkdoom 3000

"The subpoena demands data to identify who watched the video and “documents reproducing all records or usernames and IP addresses that have posted or published comments in response to the video.”

"A fourth subpoena is directed at Twitter, demanding the disclosure of all of Hotz’s tweets, and “documents sufficient to identify all names, addresses, and telephone numbers associated with the Twitter account.”

"Sony has threatened to sue anybody who posts the hacking tools or the encryption key. It is seeking unspecified damages from Hotz."

Says it all right there, anyone who even thought of doing anything illegal to their ps3 will be screwed.

Etseix4819d ago

i visited the site when an article sayd he was accepting $$$$ to fight sony, but just because the link was directly to the main menu of that site...

jadenkorri4819d ago

i went to it, but my ps3 ain't modded, if they ban people for going to a website, oh man, I'd be quickly filing a lawsuit. Be the quickest kick in the ass for sony ever. My demands, every ps3/ps4/etc game sent to me free for the rest of my life lolz.

phinch4819d ago

Theres some right idiots on here who think sony are going to ban there ps3 for looking at the site................. are you people really that stupid?

Vaud-Villian4819d ago

Invasion of privacy much? I hope Sony loses.

radphil4819d ago

"Invasion of privacy much? I hope Sony loses."

Despite all the comments earlier that explained this, and you STILL stated this....I....wha....huh....

conswella4819d ago

If everyone would just start pirating then none of this would be the issue it is.

MysticStrummer4819d ago

Yeah radphil... the mind boggles sometimes at the legal minds we have here on this site. It's a privilege to be here, really.

captain-obvious4819d ago

sony is running after those hackers like a mad dog
damn ...

rockleex4819d ago

Sony only needs that information so that if you choose to contribute to PS3 hacking, then they'll already have data on you.

If not then you should be fine.

Its like getting the fingerprints of civilians so that whenever someone commits a crime, police and FBI can use fingerprints to trace back to the criminal.

a_bro4819d ago

"Invasion of privacy much? I hope Sony loses"

as if companies like google doesnt do the same when you visit their site...

Mahr4819d ago

Thank goodness for proxy sites.

jadenkorri4819d ago

@ phinch

hopefully people clearly saw i was joking or it would be sad.

sikbeta4819d ago

Screw them all Sony, NO MERCY XD I even more against hacking now that I know those d-bags can get all trophies without playing the games, that's so freaking LAME!

Vherostar4819d ago

Using the info they will find everybody who has a modded PS3 and ban them for LIFE. Even those who didnt actually download it.. Pretty harsh but why else would you visit his site except for piracy?? Dont you dare say homebrew as your just lying to yourself.

nveenio4819d ago

They're not going to charge more people, they're just going to prove that he distributed what he's accused of distributing.

DragonKnight4819d ago

Yeah, this is EXACTLY like the iPhone case eh hacker supporters? Sony doesn't stand a chance right? Lol.

On topic: This isn't really much to worry about. Looking at IP's isn't going to be a big deal unless those IP's use the code. Donations aren't illegal, though why you'd donate to this loser is beyond comprehension. You only have to worry if you used the code. And Geohot would have to worry too since it could then be argued that he "sold" the code by keeping it on his site and accepting donations. Even if he tries to say that the donations are for legal fees, keeping the code on his page doesn't help him.

zag4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

Some people here think it's to ban people's PSN accounts.

It won't be for that, it'd be done to reduce the support for geohot overall as Sony can then trace back to people's IP addresses via PSN accounts and other ways like credit cards that have been added to PSN accounts.

So if you grabbed at any of his stuff and get sued they'll turn around and blame goehot for Sony suing them because if he hadn't released this info they wouldn't be sued by Sony.

The other reason to grab all the info is to trace the people who are always trying to host these files all the time.

Sony is doing geohot a favour by having the files removed from the net as geohot has a court order to remove ALL traces of these files hacks etc from the net himself otherwise he'll fail the court order and could face a big fine or jail time or both.

He could be facing a few billion dollars in fines seeing as it costed Sony over 100 billion just to buy the Cell factory you'll need to add up all the R&D costs plus the production costs then add up all the piracy costs and what other costs there have been to make the PS3 happen.

Geohot is just a kid he doesn't have any idea what he actually faces in terms of fines and jail time and he'll end up in jail for sure.

Him asking for money is him asking people to pay him to hack the PS3 so they can pirate games on it.

He's screwed as Sony are going to throw him in the toilet and stuff him down the sewer pipe.

This will be far worse than that mother that got sued by RIAA and ended up with a 300 million dollar fine.

his life will be forever screwed after this court case he'll never have a job at a tech company again nor a proper job as he'll have a criminal record after this with fraud etc cases all over it.

Then Apple might come knocking on the door after Sony has gone through him.

Graf_choko is in the same boat, idiots thinking they can do what ever they like all the while the law says nope can't do that it always catches up to people one day.

And the real sad part is it's all over not being able to install a fucking OS on a GAME console, like anyone really gives a fuck about having Linux on a fucking GAME console.

Dee_914819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

what .. who .. why in the helll ... would people think sony could sue them just for visiting a site ... cmom people ..

Mahr4819d ago

"geohot has a court order to remove ALL traces of these files hacks etc from the net"

No, he does not. That decision was reversed, which is not surprising because it was completely insane.

From the judge: “It’s information. It can’t be retrieved. It’s just not practical... What would they do, Xerox it and mail it back? This kind of got away from me and I apologize for that.”

"like anyone really gives a **** about having Linux on a fucking GAME console"

There are people who care enough about Linux that they have found ways to install it in their refrigerators. But multi-media devices are beyond the pail?

"his life will be forever screwed after this court case he'll never have... a proper job as he'll have a criminal record after this with fraud etc cases all over it"

Strange thing to say in the comments section of a Wired article, considering Dark Dante is their senior editor.

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psman0124819d ago

This is extremely stupid. What about those people just reading his website, learning why he hacked consoles, or as others said, looking for iPhone hacks?? This is so stupid... I can't remember if I ever visited it or not...

piroh4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

they don't want the IPs, they want squeeze this George as hard as they can. people won't donate him forever, his band (hackers) won't pay for him whereas they even wouldn't pay for a games

Dante1124819d ago

Yeah, I think they are just trying to track down the other hacker involved. Already caught two so far.

radphil4819d ago

You guys do realize they're going after those that actually downloaded the files and keys right? At that standard you breached THEIR privacy.

psman0124819d ago

@radphil

Thank you for clarifying, the article made it seem like they were fining the people that just visited the site. Thank you.

radphil4819d ago

@psman012

Yea, i mean it would be completely far-fetched to attack those that even glimpsed at the thing. For them to even sue people to that caliber, would have some serious consequences for them.

yoshiroaka4819d ago

Woah, it always warms the heart to see a guy make a comment on n4g, another guy corrects it and then the original poster thanks him (genuinely). Such a rare thing to see resonable ppl open to criticism and correction on n4g.

Its always 'the sky is purple' 'no dude its blue' 'NO ITS PURPLE YOU RAWWWWWWWWWWW*^&%&$$%# $'

Lol, kudos!

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lazysey4819d ago

what the fuck someone take down this article now! I don't want to be ip logged/tracked by sony! N4G is next!

gamingdroid4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

This is turning into a serious freedom of speech issue. You can NOT now look up information without Sony (or any other company for that matter) can invade your privacy to exercise your freedom to view freely available information.

I hope Sony looses and a huge customer backlash ensues that you can't rough your customers (or non-customers that just are curious)!

PS3n3604819d ago

gamingdroid. I agree this is a serious invasion of our human rights. I am anti piracy myself but this is a slap in the face. I visited his site as well when all the articles came out just to see for myself what was going on strictly to form my own opinion on Geohot and the case in general. Up untill now I was siding with Sony. I for one am outraged that a judge gave Sony the kind of power only enjoyed by tyrants, dictators and terrorists. All I can say is F$#% you Sony. Keep it up and I will never buy another Sony product again. And all you people cheering this move on, kiss your freedom goodbye sounds like you don't want it anyway. I suggest you read "1984" to see where this will lead.

lazysey4819d ago

We are not so different than Egypt. We don't learn from our mistakes, we live them.

MysticStrummer4819d ago

Freedom of speech...? Invasion of human rights...? LOL No.

zag4819d ago

freedom of speech is a US law not a world law.

The Failoverflow aren't in the US so they can be tracked and be screwed over.

Yet it's more about getting people to start lynching geohot, it could also be Apple wanting in on the action too.

Don't forget Apple can screw geohot just as much as he just released a hack for the iphone 4.1 or 4.2 iOS in the last few days.

Not very smart for this geohot guy.

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farhad2k84819d ago

MUHUHAHAHAHA!!
All the Hackers will be targeted now, thank GOD!
Hope they get IP banned from all future PlayStations also!
They deserve it!!

How would they like it if they created a new games console and Sony hacked it? I would really enjoy that. :)

RedDead4819d ago

Yeah, get banned for visiting a site....the only reason I visted his site was to see what the hell was going on with the case. I wouldn't have known about him or cared other than the case becoming so big. Rediculous imo. Sony can ban themselves for going on his site.

NBT914819d ago

Not everyone who visited his site was interested in hacking their PS3, I am slightly annoyed but I know I was just curious and did nothing wrong when I went there so not too bothered about this but others might be..

duplissi4819d ago

even if you did go to the site and downloaded the jailbreak you did nothing wrong.. so there is no legal basis for sony to do anything to you, this data is to be used against geohot.

jeez people are dense..

farhad2k84819d ago

Who in the world would ban you for visiting a website?
Obviously I'm talking about the ones that downloaded vast amounts of information from the websites, regular visitors etc.

People can be really stupid at times.

JD_Shadow4819d ago

It's the notion that they are allowed now to do this at ALL! Why did this judge (which I was trying to search up to see if there was something about him that we need to know about...seems there's some question about him having a bias) decide that this was necessary? This is not just Geohot's site. This is Twitter, YouTube, and other sites that need to do this, and this involves telephone numbers and IP addys. Why does Sony need all of that, and why from so many sites? Could Sony, after getting those, sue ME for simply viewing something he did by trying to say that I did something I clearly did not do? Could they sell that info to third parties that would use that info for whatever they want to use that for? You may think it's a "tinfoil hat" thing, but don't be so sure. Remember back in I think 2007, when the issue of warrantless wiretapping came into the news. There were more companies willing to give Bush what he wanted than you might think.

But, of course, with the ignorance of people here on N4G hitting an all time high, I could see people on here not caring less if Sony wants their entire life story.

Ocelot5254819d ago

"Hope they get IP banned from all future PlayStations also"

many ISP's assign dynamic ip's to their users idiot

I get a new IP every 2 days, i also can request a new IP on the web-GUI of my modem. I never have to wait 1 hour after each download on rapidshare cuz i change my ip each time :D

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v1c1ous4819d ago

WOW. WOW. way to bend over to corporations judicial system. i never visited the site, but get your browsing habits turned over to a company without your consent?

privacy? what's that? nothing but bells and whistles to corporate big guns.

piss on the constitution some more Sony.

BoNeSaW234819d ago

"your browsing habits turned over to a company without your consent?" LOL! This happens EVERYDAY to YOU when your on the interwebs. You didn't know that!
And how is Sony pissing on the constitution by protecting their IP and protecting their developers from being robbed and stole from?

MysticStrummer4819d ago

xD Piss on the constitution...? WOW !!! Which constitution would that be exactly?

AccountClosed570294819d ago

Looks like President Nixon has become "the Watergate Hero".

v1c1ous4819d ago

typical sony commies response. it's people like you that allow the freedom of true blooded americans from rising! admit it, you guys HATE FREEDOM!

Bear_Grylls4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

Seeing as Sony isn't based in the US they can piss on your constitution all they want.

Good on them to.

I hope they hang Hotz.

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ziggurcat4819d ago

i'm sure there would only be a problem if you had downloaded any of the circumvention tools available on his website. there's absolutely no harm in clicking on a link to his website as we all know how much it's been mentioned on the internet lately (especially on this very site).

this is certainly good news for sony, and hotz's grave is getting just a little deeper. i imagine it's nearly 6" now.... i can't wait for the judge to put the final nail in this douchebag's coffin.

Scary694819d ago

Good! That is what happens when you support stupidity you get screwed the same way. Hope Sony wins maybe then these hackers would think twice about hacking and sharing.

fatstarr4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

eff the law, eff sony and all these acta acts,
imma visit all of his sites and register i dont care.
i dont own a ps3 to my name so what can sony do. -_-

sharing is the major backbone of the internet and if it weren't for hackers we would all be dead. every company thinks their code is uncrackable until someone comes along and proves otherwise which then makes their code way better and increases everyone's intelligence.

maverick404819d ago

you sound like a ten year old. Most retarded thing i have read all day, cheers.

Legion4819d ago

The defence need only to subpoena the twitter of Kevin Butler to determine the number of people that viewed it's release of the code.

That and the ip of everyone here on N4G that viewed the code via the news article. Thus to determine how much Sony propegated the code of their own accord since the filed suit.

MNicholas4819d ago

If you donated money to Geohot AND you acquired the legally protected information from him, he's in an even deeper hole because it would be clear evidence that he's selling something that isn't his to sell. It's theft and trade in intellectual property. He's at best an idiot and at worst a genuine criminal and, if you supported him with you cash, or even clicks, you're no better.

JD_Shadow4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

By who's account? Yours?

Hotz checked with his lawyers before doing the donation thing, so I doubt he wouldn't do that if he thought he would get into trouble by doing that.

And, to put a period to that point, several grassroots organizations, such as the EFF and ACLU (two organizations in which I have supported, by the way), have petitioned for donations. Both of them have a legal team that has helped people fight legal battles, and even when those trials were going on, those organizations did not close out their petitions for donations, in which part of the donations goes to paying the legal fees.

If you want to arrest Geohot for the petitioning and those who donated to him, you have to do the same to any organization that has ever done that, and you have to hold that same logic you are holding in Geohot's case (which is ridiculous to begin with), and apply it to all those other organizations (especially with the EFF, which has fought similar types of cases). Are you really going to ask for that, and are you really going to say that those other organizations and their donors and members are criminals, as well?

EDIT: What is this epidemic with people saying that others on this site are "missing the point" before saying something that is obviously the mainstream argument on N4G right now? That would show that people aren't missing the point...well, YOUR point, at least!

ProGrasTiNation4819d ago

Your some fool,you realy believe that.lol
Sheep

cannon88004819d ago

Wow poor guy
he got GEO-OWNED

morkendo234819d ago

ouch, SONY not FKING around.go get em sony whooo-hooo

lee_ten4819d ago

geohot is screwed. that's all i'm gonna say. *sips cocktail*

deafwing4819d ago

okay, this is getting ridiculous

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CaliGamer4820d ago

That's rough. All fun and games until someone gets fined. LOL.

FantasyStar4820d ago

Damn, guess I'm gonna get sued by Sony for visiting geohot's blog. Tough world. :(

Ehhh..not really. :)

FailOverHero4820d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

Maybe ps3 business isn't doing too well and now they plan on making the bulk of their revenue thru suing sprees. Talk about Intimidation Frenzy!!
With LG breathing down their necks and clamping down on ps3 sales, they gotta make money somehow.
@blackburn, so those 100 000 ps3's that are in lockdown, have they been sold or are they being clamped down?? Whats that? They've been clamped down? Oh, so what you're saying is that LG have clamped down on 100k units of ps3's that could have been up for sale by now but aren't?

PLASTICA-MAN4819d ago

in another universe in another dimension. Can Sony sue me?! :D !

FantasyStar4819d ago

They gon' fine you.
They gon' fine you.
So you can run and tell dat.
run and tell dat
run and tell dat
homeboy
home-home. homeboy.

XD

ultimate-remag4819d ago

hmmm but lg got their ban after the suing started..... (learn 2 troll b4 u troll)

blackburn54819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

Please don't speak if you don't know what you are taking about. LG have barely clamped down on any of the PS3 sales. 100,000 out of the millions that are shipped to the other parts of the continent They can barely keep the PS3 from being sold in a few countries much less all of Europe. Sony sound like they are out for blood though. I am staying out of this. @ BK-201. Thank you. I thought there was no one on this site left with any brains. They are probably going for evidence for the trial not to sue everyone who visited it.

HolyOrangeCows4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

@Fail
Don't be ridiculous. You are trolling.
Lawsuits, especially against individuals, tend to cost more than they make (Do you think Geohot's little payments are going to "make the bulk of their revenue"? What are you, nuts?).

@ElementXbox
"Talk about total disregard to freedom"
So is it a "total disregard to freedom" if the prosecutor of a bank robbery case is allowed to look at security tapes? Just because you were standing in the bank when it happened? It's not like you were doing anything.......right?

"I've read that Sony found a loophole to get around the LG injunction.. back to normal it seems for Sony in Europe"
A lot of retailers ordered right before the temp. ban. Many retailers have 1-2 weeks worth of PS3s. By the time the IMPORT BAN (which is what it is...not a ban on the SALE of ps3s in EU), many retailers will be back at their cycle and order a new round of PS3s.

barb_wire4819d ago

I've read that Sony found a loophole to get around the LG injunction.. back to normal it seems for Sony in Europe.

Microsoft does the same too - expect another ban hammer wave just before 'Gears of War 3' ships - this way MS can claim they had a bonanza month in September

BISHOP-BRASIL4819d ago

That was the best you could come up with? Change your username to FailEverTroll.

lilbrat234819d ago

At the rate you are going buddy I suggest you get your information straight and stop trolling this site.

lee_ten4819d ago

...i lol'd.

stay free trollhero, stay free.

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FailOverHero4820d ago

Lol lol lol. Sony planning to sue everybody that visited his site? They must have ALOT of money to waste. I'll make it easy for you SONY, I visited his site...frequently! What now?

Grooski4820d ago

They are doing it to primarily prove which US states jurisdiction George Hotz can be tried under.

They are also after anyone who downloaded the jailbreak.zip file and re-hosted it.

FantasyStar4819d ago

I don't get how having a bunch of CA IPs constitutes jurisdiction, IANAL....

All I know is that this is the most exciting piece of news since Activision and Infinity Ward's drama-llama.

MrBeatdown4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

See kids!? These are the things you can learn by reading the article.

BK-2014819d ago

They are going to use the information to prevent distribution, not to sue everyone who visits the site dumbass.

baodeus4819d ago

but can u prevent someone from distribution his own works?

blahblah4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

so far, i wasn't interested to visit his site. well, now, i had... just so sony can log my ip. i would love to see their threats, when i actually have 3xps3 (not jailbroken) and 121 legitimate games.

and i wont be returning customer either. if sony so wants to control minds of ps3 users, they can have it. i'm fed up with their crappy service.

it only does everything... my ass
- games (it really has best lineup ever, i have to agree on that one and as gamer i really have hard time boycotting them on everything else)
- music (lol, worst music software ever)
- videos (and supports 2 codecs only, welcome to play anything, beside the fact that player sucks)
- blu ray (won't comment as i wont buy 1 single movie until they start supporting other codecs, but as friends say it works as it should)
- internet (if one has 1 hour for crappy browser to actually open single page and then goes trough complete lobotomy to read it)
- uPnP support (my god, they couldn't even support the uPnP standard correctly)
- online gaming (P2P games not on PSN are ok, PSN ones suck unless they have region limitations, and to my misfortune socom 4 is PSN)
- computer (not anymore)
- internet chat and messaging (it is a joke, i hope)
- eth/wifi, wtf do you even need it when PSN sucks, browser sucks, uPnP is the crappiest implementation ever and doesn't support any other standard net protocol

i even went so far to limit joining on PSN by choice only.

awesomeperson4819d ago

*Facepalm*

They wouldn't threaten you for visiting his website, god read the article.
Oh and I don't thgink sony cares if your not a returning customer, they are not "controlling" our minds and I don't even see how that is related to anything -.-

MysticStrummer4819d ago

Controlling minds??? xD Wow this is without a doubt the best N4G comment thread I've seen in quite awhile. The paranoia, the high level legal talk... simply stunning. Thanks again, N4G !!!

maverick404819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

@ BlahBlah Do ye guys fucking read the article?Are ye educated in the slightest? The retardation from some people on this sight is nauseating.
As for your childish rant.....no one cares. Put your manpon back in, you are flowing.

Apolloeye4819d ago

You obviously don't own a PS3, it support the following codecs:

- MPEG-4 SP (AAC LC)
- H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC)
- MPEG-2 TS(H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, AAC LC)
MP4 file format
- H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC)
MPEG-1 (MPEG Audio Layer 2)
MPEG-2 PS (MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AAC LC, AC3(Dolby Digital), LPCM)
MPEG-2 TS(MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AC3(Dolby Digital), AAC LC)
MPEG-2 TS(H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, AAC LC)
AVI
- Motion JPEG (Linear PCM)
- Motion JPEG (μ-Law)
AVCHD (.m2ts / .mts)
DivX
WMV
- VC-1(WMA Standard V2)

Plus BBC iPlayer, LoveFilm, ITV Player, 4OD and Five on Demand

So Vidzone and Qriocity don't forfill you enough and neither do
the other online apps like Last.fm ??

P2P? I think you got mixed up between an Xbox there...

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ziggurcat4819d ago

"Lol lol lol. Sony planning to sue everybody that visited his site?"

no, you fucking fool. they're looking to see who's downloaded the circumvention tools and prove jurisdiction. they're not going to sue anyone who visited his website.

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Raendom4820d ago

Would LOOOOVE for all those idiots who donated to him get fined.

FailOverHero4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

The Law: you have no idea how it works
@below. Well at least I know my rights and one of them is the right to spend my money as I please as long as it does not break any laws. Funding somebody's legal fees(even if he broke the law) =/= breaking any laws
Another right that I know very well is my freedom of speech right, ie my bubbles. I can use them as I see fit(until a mod decides I'm abusing them, which I probably am but hey, its a friday, live a lil)

gunnerforlife4819d ago

and you just talk alot of rubbish!
your a real troll aint you??

SonyPS3604819d ago

The 7 people who disagreed with FailOverHero are quite clueless.

RioKing4819d ago

^Agreed 100000%, you can't be touched for donating...aaand looking at his site. If you downloaded from him, maybe...if you just checked his site out, you're fine. At the worst, they'll just put your IP's on a hotlist or something but that's doubtful.

Source: Criminal Justice Major a.k.a f**k all you eleventeen year olds who think you know better.

MRMagoo1234819d ago

You ever thought maybe ppl didnt agree with him is because hes a retarded troll that never says anything usefull Failovertroll is a waste of space on this site even if he is right in what he says its the principle of the matter that makes ppl disagree with him

lilbrat234819d ago

@FailOverHero

You know nothing about the law as we can all see. Freedom of Speech in a website?LMAO you are a moron go back to school to better educate yourself about the law. LOL

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FantasyStar4819d ago

I guess I'm getting fined as well as getting sued. Damn, this day sucks for me.

Ehh...not really. :) -Taking a gaming break from KZ:L right now.

Raendom4819d ago

Sorry, I should clarify as a lot of people seem to have read something I didn't write:

I -- as in me, would LOVE for every single person who donated to be fined.

I at no point said Sony would. I at no point said Sony COULD.

blahblah4819d ago

fined? lol, you really are total idiot aren't you? how could donation be fined?

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers19d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken18d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g19d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing19d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H919d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola18d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66919d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle19d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg19d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos19d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola19d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies40d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken39d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga39d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken39d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6439d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long39d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197239d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic39d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12539d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91339d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer39d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91339d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit39d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher39d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6939d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit39d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher39d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken39d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197239d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic39d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2339d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218339d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder39d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts39d ago

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