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Is banning hackers the right solution?

The Sony against hackers war is very much alive and we have left to be wondering who is really winning it at this point. Last week Sony announced in their forums that they would start banning hackers from their Playstation Network but this week we have learned that hackers have developed a way to un-ban themselves and what is worst, they could use information from legitimate users to get them banned.

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LordMarius4844d ago

Why is this even a question?

"we have learned that hackers have developed a way to un-ban themselves and what is worst, they could use information from legitimate users to get them banned."

And that was proven false

Dante1124844d ago (Edited 4844d ago )

*Nintendo bans hackers*

"Oh well..."

*Microsoft bans hackers*

"Oh well..."

*Sony bans hackers*

~spits out Mountain Dew~ "...Wait, WHAT?!?! WHY? Was that necessary?"

Edit: Kickarss, that unban/ban thing was proven to just be a theory a hacker had in the very first article on it. That's why psxscene and ps3hax took it down.

http://streetskaterfu.blogs...

ChristianGamer4844d ago

Actually Microsoft bans hackers and the world turns against them and calls them greedy and people want to sue and everybody on the internet is on their side. Remember that lil debacle? Yeah so can it with the sony conspiracies

NewMonday4843d ago

If I remember correctly, MS was accused of using the ban to increase hardware sales just before the release of MW2. The fuss wasn't about their right to ban, which was fair game.

FailOverHero4843d ago (Edited 4843d ago )

Exactly, they were ACCUSED. It was a huge debate. But when Sony does it nobody is allowed to accuse them or debate and we somehow forget about MS banning debacle and claim that when they do it nobody says a thing. Just look at the comment above, completly neglects that when ms does it, it was a massive scandal. PS3 fanboys like to forget facts that do not support their conspiracy theory agenda
Microsoft were banning PIRATES, which is a GREAT thing and STILL they were gunned at! That's like crying foul when speed cops set up speed traps!

NewMonday4843d ago

Im getting confused, are we talking about pirates or hackers now?

ComboBreaker4843d ago (Edited 4843d ago )

Is it? Come on! Give me an answer here!

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kickarss4844d ago

We don't question the fact that Sony should do whatever is necessary to protect themselves and their game developers, we are just saying that if done incorrectly, it could cause more harm than good. Please read the whole article and not just the intro

beavis4play4843d ago (Edited 4843d ago )

i did read your story and several things jumped out that i'd like to bring up for a response. i'm just curious -
1. do you really believe that hackers can easily spoof legit accounts? from all of the info i've read it seems to be VERY difficult/if not impossible. it seems hackers would say this (even though they can't actually do it) as an attempt to make sony hesitate or stop the bans entirely. if someone is banned,i'm SURE they'll cry about doing nothing wrong.....hackers/pirates are an amusing bunch: they talk tough sitting alone with their equipment but when they're exposed and punished? they squeal like little babies.
2.in the article you said this: "Sony may well have a list of "suspect" consoles, but arbitrarily suspending PSN access without a proof of sustained usage would be an over-reaction. As a knock-on effect, it would obviously stop these people spending money in the PlayStation Store." - i disagree with this statement. most ps3 owners are decent people who want to play legally bought games and movies...go online....etc....etc. i don't care if it's short-term or sustained usage - bans have to occur. if they have proof - ban the console. and as far as sony gathering info? i'm sure the majority of legit users feel as i: they can moniter my account all they want. they can look at ANY info i have on my ps3. since i have NOTHING to hide - it means nothing to me. only the people who are doing something illegal/improper would be worried. and these people being banned are the ones who would NOT be buying things off of psn - they're the ones who would be working on STEALING off of psn. you don't even consider this in you article.

just some thoughts i had.

kickarss4843d ago

beavis:
Your points are very valid. Let me respond to this:
1 - At this point nobody knows if spoofing accounts is possible or not. However, Sony already sent official statements threatening people to ban them from the PSN, yet I am still waiting on a massive ban, and people with hacked consoles are still playing online. What leads me to think either Sony has all the information they need and are just waiting to have legal proof that your console is hacked and you have been on PSN to actually have a massive ban (which is a good thing!), or they can't really track hackers because hacked consoles can pose as legit users. This is why the spoofing argument was used in this article.
2 - I think you misunderstood what I wanted to say here. I was just mentioning that if Sony bans legitimate users in error, the trust that those legitimate users had on Sony and PSN will be gone and ultimately Sony will be hurt by this, since legitimate users will no longer be willing to spend money on Sony and PSN products.

beavis4play4843d ago

thanks for the reply!
i can only go by articles i read online - and i've been reading about people being banned from psn. sony could try and take the high road and announce (a few days before) that the massive banhammer is about to drop and give those who are doing the illegal stuff a chance to stop. however - when it comes down to it - the bottom line for me is to ban them however possible. i think all of this crap that hackers are doing is unnecessary as far as having an enjoyable experience with the system.
to those who say otherwise? i'd ask them why they don't develop their own hardware to manipulate instead of leeching off someone elses ability.
as far as #2 - i can see what you're saying. someone being punished for something that they didn't do is NEVER a good thing. in a way - those legit users should be just as (if not more) angry at the hackers - they're the ones who've created this mess. hopefully sony gets it straightened out and under control.

Silly gameAr4844d ago (Edited 4844d ago )

Haven't we been through this? That hacker baning/unbanning thing was bull. A hacker and his wishful thinking.

On a positive note, some friends tell me MW2 is a lot better online since the bans. I don't play it, but I'm happy for them because that's all they play.

Let's ask them if banning was the right move.

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Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai4d ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19723d ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

-Foxtrot3d ago

@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19723d ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel4d ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz3d ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay3d ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

RaiderNation3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Progress is inevitable. Nobody driving cars today is complaining that the horse and buggy is no longer around. Yes, some jobs will be lost but guess what? With innovation comes new job opportunities. It's how the cycle of the job market works.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers32d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken32d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g32d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing32d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H932d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola32d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66932d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle32d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg33d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos33d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola32d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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