Virtua Tennis 4: Move vs. Kinect

"Yesterday, I had the opportunity to play it for myself and try the PlayStation Move and Kinect versions. I was told by a SEGA representative that the Kinect version isn't as far along in its development as the Move version, but playing both side-by-side was helpful in illuminating the differences not only in the hardware itself but how that hardware is being used in the games."

[BryanBegins]

WTH? Why couldn't we use Move+Nav so that we could move our player? That makes no sense to see Sega not including this option. I'll be disapointed if it's really missing from the final version of the game.

[fooltheman]

the said they are adding this run and play option too...

[zootang]

So it works just like Wii sports then. That wasn't too bad.

[Hanif-876]

Well at least now everyone knows why its better to have Move and not some gimmicky motion sensing device lol

[nycredude]

I hope this is not what we are going to get left and right this year. Move vs kinect BS!

It's bad enough we have console vs console comparisons now we will have peripheral vs peripheral comparisons.

BTW should this game be called handball if played with Kinect?

[disturbing_flame]

Yes that sounds stupid.

but we must get in mind that the game design is done for the multiplatform, devs can't take too much time for only a controller there must have been concessions, it's sad but for a lot of multiplatforms titles it's gonna be the case.

What would be cool now is that reviewers try to talk about the move with distance.
I've not seen reviewers complaining about the use of wiimote in wiisport, if it's the same in virtua tennis it can't be a minus because you have the possiility to play the game with dualshock, it is clearly a plus.

For Move games that really adopt a posture that can manage all move possilities, people must wait for games designed by Sony for their accessory

When i see some KZ3 reviews that zap the Move aspect, and i know there is not actually on the market a better FPS that use motion controller, i doubt reviewers are aiming right at move.
There's no better FPS on the market with motion controllers and sometimes you read that the move is a minus in these reviews.

People who still wait for a great FPS on Wii would reviewerse certainly more than happy to play KZ3 on their console.
There's a relation, a connexion that is not clearly done with some reviewers.

[Theonik]

Because you aren't holding a nav controller on your second hand while playing real tennis. It seems reasonable to me, you can still reach for the ball just not move in the court. Worked fine on Wii sports.

[BryanBegins]

Well I thought that the point of having Move, a true 1:1 motion control with potential for core gamer, was to actually improve on the weak and casual Wii Sport. No?

And the argument that you don't hold a Nav in real life is kinda weak if you ask me. You don't hold a giant dildo with a light bulb either... Again, I think they should offer the option.

[Theonik]

You still get 1:1 motion, movement in 3D space and 1:1 racket motion are different features, this is the reasoning coming from AM3 themselves.
Also the real issue with something like Wii sports was that no matter how you swing it's the same outcome here you get to move closer to the net and direct your shot. Not providing free motion with a stick is a reasonable compromise.

[LORD-PHOENIX]

kinect version-has character move assist basically semi-onrails
move- you control the person fully,this preview version fails to mention the fact that you can use the navigation controller as ive read in other previews

360 version good for grannies infants or people with no clue how to play video games,so may appeal to more consumers

ps3 version maybe better for core gamers

for me i hate motion controls so neither option appeals to me

[king dong]

please, what is a "core" gamer?? im interested. perhaps you or one of the people who agreed could explain?

i have a ps3 360, i will not be buying move or kinetic, and i have no interest in tennis games..

does having both consoles make me a core gamer? or do i need to do something else in order to be admitted into this club? lol

[pain777pas]

@King Dong

The definition of core gamer as I see it is a game that uses a controller for precised input. If a game does not have precised control it is deemed a casual experience. Some people like to just see something happen on screen like a child playing a dancing game. Gamers for the most part want complete control over their experience without hand holding. If you swing your hand at the bottom of a screen and the ball is at the top and the ball sails forward as if you hit the ball that is not precised control. There cannot be a random out come to actions and something has to happen when you make a command no matter what device you use as an input. If there is no immediacy the game is not up to a gamers standards and deemed laggy and broken. You can get used to laggy input but gamers will gravitate towards games that have responsive, intuitive and accurate controls.

[king dong]

listen no offence, but what you wrote doesnt explain anything and just leaves me scratching my head.

i have re-read your comment four times and am non the wiser

[RedRedSuitSDF]

What is this guy talking about? Kinect can't read wrist movements? WTF? Then tell me how am I putting spin on the ball in Ping Pong on my Kinect sports? How am I putting back spin on a soft drop shot? Putting front spin on a smash?

[hazardman]

look at source of article. if your a Kinect fan, don't comment cause no one is gonna be on your side!!

All motion controllers SUCK!!

[zootang]

@Hazardman

The PS3 Move is 1:1 accurate and perfect for games like this a lot better to use a Move/Wii controller than using a thumb stick to control a racquet.

[hazardman]

@ Zootang cool man..I mean I think that anything at the moment is gonna be better with move or wii-mote. IMO.. for us to really see KINECTs potential is with exclusive IPs from developers who are willing to take their time with the hardware. I just think multiplatform games are hampering Kinect development. I'm not a gaming tech geek, but I'm assuming that it would be easier to make the same motion game on Wii/PS3, than it would be on Kinect. I wish MS had put out something like Sony and Nintendo with some type of actual controller. I can't knock them for trying tho..its still a great tech, but something I would have rather seen down the road with the XBOX720, but anyway I just smoked a bowl and had to let my gaming opinion out..

[sp1deynut]

"...Move controller will supposedly measure the twist and angle of your swing. This is not possible on the Kinect version. It's disappointing, but the Kinect hardware just can't track minute body motions like wrist rotation. "

COMPLETE BS....from a guy who OBVIOUSLY never played Kinect Sports.

[Biggest]

Kinect Sports can't track wrist movement. It can track arm movement. Kinect can't keep up with both high speed arm movement and subtle wrist movement. The only reason the Move can do it is the motion technology in the controller.

[Joni-Ice]

He said its not possible in the game not generally meaning not in Virtua Tennis 4. You guy are not reading it right. Calm down.

[despair]

@sp1deynut

actually having played kinect sports myself, it cannot track subtle or minute movements only larger more deliberate ones. Are you sure you played Kinect sports?

The bowling controls with arm movement and position but if you do slight twists of the wrist it does not register, same with table tennis. Those are the two I experimented with(and love both btw).

[ksense]

@midnighter your blind fanboyism makes you think you are doing all those things.

[guitar_nerd_23]

@miDnIghtEr20C

if it can then why do you have to wave ur arm across the whole screen to add spin on bowling?

[despair]

whats the point of pure tennis game where you can only rush the net, not control your actual movements. That sounds very boring to me, I mean its fine as one of a bundled minigame in Wii sports but as a stand alone that's a huge step back.

[zootang]

What, like Wii sports?

[despair]

well which ever Wii game had the auto tennis movement where you only move the racket while the character moves for themselves.

[Robearboy]

Interesting read,however with the Kienct version, the user could hold a proper Slazenger racket which kind of blows the whole opinion apart

[eggbert]

the game is probably designed solely to recognize the hand, not some foreign object someone is holding.

Even if you held a racket, the kinect would still try track your HAND as the racket, or tell you to get rid of the racket because its messing with the motion tracking.

It'd be cool if they actually put the object scanning in that microsoft claimed they were gonna have though. But I really doubt that kind of technology is going to come from Virtua Tennis, if ever.

[tudors]

"but having no control over the side-to-side movement of the player is stifling. This is an issue with both versions. "

So in other words it's not finished? Kinect has no problems with this so why is it not there, and regards the whole subtle wrist movement thing that's just bull, it may not be able to do it in the exact conventional way but table tennis is able to replicate the spin with certain hand/wrist movements, and I play it with a closed hand as though holding a racket and I play like I would on a table, this proves it understands the movements of a table tennis player, I can do back handers with my hand centre body, left or right it recognises the position, sorry but if there making excuses already I am not interested in the game, I understand that it's new tec and these things take time but don't blame the hardware.

[Denethor_II]

Lol, you're defending Kinecto.

[btk]

Analyze the specs. Kinect cannot detect subtle wrist movements.
If you stick your arm close to the camera, then you can detect digit and wrist movements - but only if it fills a large proportion of screen real-estate. That means no body movement detection in that scenario. If you track the upper body or even worse - full body - then the resolution that the hands take up - then only gesture detection is possible. No subtle wrist movement and nod digit detection is possible.

Don't try and imagine that it can - you are just making a joke of yourself. In a game of tennis, Kinect will not be able to detect subtle wrist movements, and the little that it can detect is too slow. 640x480 @30fps. Not possible. Live with it. Games like this Kinect is dead last. Move first. Wii second.

Funny how XB360 fans are hating motion controls because of games like this.

[mac_attack]

Kinect has great ball control abilities, I put spin on kinect sports table tennis almost at will (depends on how on the defensive I am)!!

But its important to note: they arent as far into the development cycle with Kinect. I'm sure they will attempt to at least match sports table tennis ball control in which case this will be quite good :)

Its funny seeing all the haters comments out, they always seem to be ps3 groupies too. Why are you all so bitter??

[jneul]

because you haven't played on sports champions as well otherwise you would notice the difference, i have played on both and kinect sports may be able to do spin but you do have to over exaggerate your movements to achieve it, whereas sports champions it's very precise and accurate and alot of people who are casuals struggle with it at first because you actually have to improve your skills to become good at it, just like reality..

[jneul]

of course the move version is going to be better only delusionals will go along with this you are the controller rubbish, even though it completely fails at what it promises it actually limits your control over the game, i thought people would learn from eyetoy, but yet here we are doing it all over again with kinect