3Dmark 11 was due for release today but last minute bugs were cited as the reason for postponing the highly anticipated release.
DSOGaming writes: "Intel will officially unveil its 8th generation “Coffee Lake” CPUs on August 21st and it appears that the first 3DMark score has surfaced. According to the physics test – which is a CPU-only test – Intel’s i7 8700K is faster than its predecessor, the Intel Core i7 7700K, as well as both of AMD’s Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 CPUs."
Always just get the i5 version, the i5 v i7 always shows that i5's are perfect, the days of 'i7 being much faster' haven't been true for a LONG time. For instance, if you check up i7 7700k vs i5 7600k? The difference is very very little for Gaming. You'd get maybe a tiny bit more juice in the i7, but nothing that warrants $100-$200 more. Bottlenecks will always come from the GPU, rather than RAM, CPU, etc.
Perfect? No. Very freaking good for the price compared to the i7. Definitely . But perfect no. Also (nothing warrants 100-200 more) That's relative to your pocket. I have no issues spending a bit more on my rig for a little extra juice. It'll last me a little extra longer. Especially if I'm doing more than gaming and plan on overclocking.
@jivah - Yeah, and people like you who have the extra money to spare are in the massive minority. Steam hardware surveys said hello. 4K gaming and 'omgwtdbbq computers' are not Normal, are not common, they are a Rarity. Which MEANS cost-effective products are more convenient and beneficial to the market and for the majority of gamers. 'Enthusiast parts' that give insignificant boosts, is just for dick-stroking and boast rights - this is inarguable.
That's especially coming from me, a person who definitely wants to save up for a Samsung 960 Pro M.2 SSD - that shit is bonkers, I just hope the price goes down sometime soon, shit is like 5x faster than the average SSD, just imagining how fast that thing could boot a computer and game up makes me half-chub. CPU-wise? Again, they are barely ever bottlenecked unless you use Workstations and video editing, software editing and multitask via businesses/job/work more often than gaming.
Im have running high end pc gaming for years....and bottleneck from cpu happen lot more than you think .I have a i7 6700k at 4.6 ghz right now paired with a gtx 1080ti.....in large open world game i hit the cpu limit often.....in 3 or 4 years 6 cores 12 thread will be the norm for gaming....the era of 4 core 8 thread come to end...
@NecoTehSergal I love the last sentence in my comment where i said especially if I'm doing more than gaming. Therefore why the hell would i have steam installed. There's a ton of people that can take advantage of a processor and play no games. at all. Soo yes steam hardware survey says hello. To gamers. But not to the many people who dont game and just use it for work. And even then the direction things are going with game design will definitely changed that. And thats ignoring games that are very cpu intensive.
And thats especially coming from somebody who already has the 960 pro. Next i'll hear that nothing warrants 32 gigs of memory
I'm betting it will be about $600. If it was in the area of $400-500 they would have gotten that information out because it keeps more people from looking at Ryzen.
You also wonder if it will be capable of streaming while playing without stuttering like last generation did. Though having two additional cores should help there. But adding those cores increased chip size which will make it more expensive.
@dcbronco i presume they will be like the 6850k and 6800k but with the new architecture. I dont think they will be priced above 400.
Been holding off upgrading while I wait for these. But I am more interested in the 12 core version coming out.
For many things. Gaming, Developing Games, Music Production, 3d Art, 3d Rendering, Video Production etc.
Actually choosing a processor type including memory size and type which in turn dictate the mother board (can be the other way around) depends on what you envision doing with a computer.
If you have to have the latest and most powerful machine just to surf the web and possibly do some word processing then you are only purchasing for bragging rights.
@nitus10 I never said anything that remotely challenges your statement. Solely that it will be lovely. Thank you for the extra stuff? Regardless i will get it. And i will enjoy it. And i will put it to good use.
I am with you on that! I am actually debating either getting an AMD Threadripper 1950X or wait for the rest of Intel's 12 Core lineup. I plan on gaming and streaming at the same time. Also do a little 3D work.
"Intel’s i7 8700K is faster than its predecessor, the Intel Core i7 7700K"
I imagine this has to be a given :)
Common sense isn't for this generation lol. You gotta state the obvious these days sadly
The "K" models indicate that the processor is unlocked and can be overclocked. If you are into overclocking then fine but you have to seriously consider cooling which for most is usually water based although some enthusiasts do take cooling to extremes such as liquid air.
Basically, the Intel processors are faster year on year but the overall performance difference is not that large for a given processor type such as i7 6700 (Skylake), i7 7700 (KabyLake) and now i7 8700 (CoffeeLake). Add a "K" to the end for the unlocked/overclocked processor.
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Put your PC through some rigorous testing to see if it's up to the demands of VR.
Asynchronous Compute is a feature that has been in the spotlight for a while. As we’ve seen, more and more developers are taking advantage of it via their DX12 implementations in their game engines. And from the looks of it, this feature will stay relevant for a very long time.
Its a waste of time for people to use Futuremark when it comes to GCN being as it won't take advantage of what's being offered.
@Herbalistic1d ago (Edited 1d ago )
[Its a waste of time for people to use Futuremark when it comes to GCN being as it won't take advantage of what's being offered.]
Agreed, this is where your benchmark can suffer in certain situations of how to show a performance gain or loss in a certain compute dynamic added or subtracted or not even used inside your benchmark.
And since GCN was designed on a Hardware level to use such functionality as Asynchronous Compute in situations where a game or other application use such functionality. By not using such included into your Benchmark programs
You may not be able to accurately show a result if such was used.
Now not all benchmarks are going to be able to benchmark every compute situation ..LMAO..that's why there is more focused benchmark tools.
But atleast there is an opening for benchmarking tools to give you an idea using multiple benchmark tools to gather that compute data based on different Compute run tasks..to give you a result.
AMD definitely has the leg up with Async. We still haven't seen that mysterious Async driver for AotS Nvidia promised when they were caught red handed. It just what it is.
Nvidia cards are built for replacing in 2 years max.
AMD cards shows long legs and are future proof. they might last you much more than 2 years easily.
The word "futureproof" in regards to PC hardware is just silly. I guess it goes back to what tou want to do. I could buy a $400 laptop for my mom that will do everything she wants, email, word processor, facebook, etc. You could say that laptop would be futureproof for her, no?
I had an R9 295x2 but I scraped it for 2 980tis, sole reason, i could hook the 980tis up to a 4k tv, but not the r9 295x2. AMD finally addressed that, but the lack of HDMI 2.0 in the 200 series was some solid bs.
I haven't looked at benchmarks in a while, but I recall my 980tis crushed the r9 fury x in some games, and vice versa in others. All depends on the engine, game, and dev patnership with amd/nvidia.
As far as futureproofing goes, we know there is no such thing. Not if you want the best visuals available when these new games launch. 4k is so pretty that i am willing to upgrade frequently to keep up.
Guess you dont know Nvidia Pascal Gpus support Async too!Amd is actually making new strides but dont expect Nvidia to stand still,actually even without proper Async at the moment 90% of the game benchs made with Async on Nvidia and Amd puts Nvidia gpus having better framerates than Amd.The gains are bigger on Amd Gpus with Async but Nvidia Gpus hardware still pulls ahead of Amd even with lesser gains from Async.In the future we will see but has i said Nvidia is not going to stay still regarding better optimization of there own Gpus to work better with Async.
Revisiting The Term "Asynchronous Compute"
Now Nvidia has been claiming that they support Async Compute since Maxwell. Several developers have spoken out and told everyone countless times that Nvidia GPUs cannot support Async Compute, but that isn’t stopping Nvidia from having presentations on their “Enhanced Async Compute” with Pascal. So basically Nvidia created and actually showed “Enhanced Async Compute” while using DX11. As hilarious as that may sound, Nvidia is serious. They still have GPUs to sell and they must stay competitive, even if they have a large share of the market already.
Nvidia “Enhanced Async Compute” is basically a newer and better form of preemption. The issue with preemption is that it is not asynchronous so therefore it cannot be async compute. Preemption is not parallel at all and can cause overhead issues. Preemption basically causes data to stop for more important or higher priority data that must make it to the GPU immediately. This still causes delays and stops the flow of data to the GPU. So you will end up with the GPU waiting for important data and waiting again for normal data. Context switches must occur and this only cause more overhead issues, this is what DX12 and Vulkan is attempting to remove.
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Not really, it's still task switching..very fast task switching none the Less it's not the same as AMD's..since they are not the same type of AS...
Your results are going to be off
To put it another way, Nvidia is basically emulating Async through software. Async compute is a hardware solution handled by the Aces in an AMD GPU, something Nvidia GPUs currently lack.
Only thing future proof on a PC is a hefty power supply.
This is good. We need AMD to stay relevant and get some sales.
