Dan Hsu Fans Flames of Killzone 2 vs Halo 3 A.I. Debate Further

Dan Hsu had this to say about the latest reaction to the EGM awards that sparked a recent controversy:

"A lot of different message boards are blowing up over the E3 awards in the October issue of EGM (with Silent Hill 5 on the cover). Specifically, some people are crying foul over our decision to give Halo 3 the "Lil Award" for Smartest A.I. and Killzone 2 the award for Dumbest A.I.

Bias! Moneyhats! Fanboyism! Well, it's been getting so much attention, I decided to answer my own FAQ about this, to help clarify how we picked those two games."

[toughNAME]

"but but its still in the pre pre pre pre-alpha stage!"

[MikeGdaGod]

and anyone that tries to defend it is an idiot.......period

[Jeremy Gerard]

I have the magazine, in the same article they also bashed Too Human, a huge 360 title that is unreleased, so all the claims of bias is bogus, no 360 fanboys are crying because Too Human got trashed, why are you PS3 fanboys so annoying to the gaming community, why are you all so insecure? How come the other two consoles fanboys don't live for MS and Nintendo the way you freaks absolutely live for Sony? What a bunch of losers.

[TheSadTruth]

It's because the people that bought the PS3 didn't buy it for games, they bought it because they are loyal to the Sony Brand, while most Wii and 360 owners buy it because they liked the games offered.

They need some reason to justify wasting $600, so they come to message boards and news sites and take everything personal. Kids will be kids...

[i Shank u]

agreed man, i noticed that yesterday in Meus Interpretations post and pics that Too Human was getting trashed, but he didnt mention a word about what they said for Too Human, and the full picture of it was cut off. probably because if in his pic the trashing of a major 360 game was shown, it would have ruined his bullsh!t comparo story

[Nigglet]

I told you sony fans before how AI needs to be ran on a GPU (thats general processing unit), and that is why the 3 GPUs in the 360 knock the pants off of any possible AI on the PS3 with its 1 GPU. I got a bunch of retarded comments from people who convinced themselves that they knew something about these consoles who acted like it was outrageous and some ignorant kids even said it was the dumbest comment they ever heard and so forth. That shows how pathetic sony fans are, here is SOny themselves talking about their GPU and AI http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Ma... I feel embarrased often by the inteligence of people on this site. So I will say it again, xbox will always blow away PS3 in the AI department BY FAR. Some of you idiots said I was retarded for stating the 360 has 3 GPUs even. What the F? How ignorant can you be? The 360 has 3 General Purpose cores which are needed for good AI, get it through your heads and accept reality. READ introducing the xbox 360 xenon CPU where it discusses the 3 general processors. http://www.anandtech.com/pr... You can't deny AI needs a general processor and you can't deny the 360 is at least 3x more powerful in the AI area than the PS3. As far as the levels in Killzone, they made the background in cut-scenes out of polygons and cramed texture in it to take up space like idiots, just to say it uses a bunch of space. Then when it comes to actually playable areas in the levels the PS3 has to load them separatley!! and when it did the game stuters and has frame rate issues!!! LOL!! They spent all this time making the background take up space and the game can't even run the playable levels as smooth as last gen games. They devs even admitted that the playable portions of the levels had to be loaded as you went, just like all games, although most don't stuter and have issues with it, making killzone levels WORSE than average as far as smoothness and textures and polygons being implemented during gameplay. THe game is only 30 FPS and only 720P, thats close enough enough to 1080p amd 120 FPs isn't it? LOL! The point is that the levels load as you go just like all games and it does this worse than most games and the extra texture is just BS so sony can say this is not possible on a dvd. The devs say that they are still working on making the loads seemless like they are in most games, but come on, a game trying to bost huge levels is having slow-downs and frame rate issues due to loading problems at checkpoints? http://www.psu.com/2GB-leve... Spare me the BS and just make a game that runs smooth instead of a bunch of pointless polygons in the back of a cut-scene.
By the way, the demo for this game is supposed to be out the same time as halo 3 so you can stop making excuses about it not being done yet. Here is more info on the stutters and freezing during loads, also most games do not have these issues anywhere near this far in development. http://ps3.gamespy.com/play... this article was about an earlier biuld and guess what the problems where still there even the last build shown.

[reaferfore20]

I agree with you scotty. This is stupid. When the demo comes out then you can compare A.I. Or *gasp* wait until both the games have been released. EGM is crap anyways. This isn't news.

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

Always saying something controversial (usually anti-ps3) just to get attention. The guy is shameless and he has almost no jounalistic integrity.

[dantesparda]

What a 360 fanboy get together on these first posts. Its always funny to me, how big of fvcking hypocrits you's are. How you's gonna call anybody a "fanboy", when you's are obviously super-big fanboys? what kind of stupid hypocrisy is that? Anyways, continue on with your "biased a$$ fanboy hating".

[spammy_nooo]

i had a long comment written, but i figured id dumb it down for you and say that, if the ps3 was really THAT impaired A.I.-wise, it wouldn't be able to handle 360 ports. im pretty sure sony knows at least the rudamentary priciples to hardware/game design so that they wouldnt make a game system that cant think properly.

in case your wondering, the rudamentary priciples thing was a 'smart-a' comment. of course they know what they are doing.

[FirstknighT]

UGH! Just more whining and crying from the sony fanboys!

[Bathyj]

Has if you wouldn't be if one of your precious games were attacked without warrant from someone whose supposed to be professional.

You're whining and crying right now about people who are whining and crying.

[FirstknighT]

"Has if you wouldn't be if one of your precious games were attacked without warrant from someone whose supposed to be professional"

IT HAS! Halo 3 was slammed by critics because of its graphics. But we all new it was in Beta form and knew it would improve. Recent screenshots and video has shown a big improvement from the Beta. You didn't see us get all pissy like the sony boys.

[fenderputty]

Yeah ... so then what does that make you? It brings you to the level at which you despise so much.

BTW ... find me a post in which I talk smack about Halo. YOu won't find one. So just STFU.

[Kratos12]

"IT HAS! Halo 3 was slammed by critics because of its graphics. But we all new it was in Beta form and knew it would improve. Recent screenshots and video has shown a big improvement from the Beta. You didn't see us get all pissy like the sony boys."

Not a lot of ppl complained about that because the graphics were indeed bad for a next gen game. And since the beta was released the graphics wont improve a lot in the final version. The only differences we will see from the beta are framerate issues and bugs taken out!!! They dont release a beta to get a feedback on graphics!!!

And also comparing an alpha build to an almost gold game is really smart. And when it came to graphics the dumb a$$e$ put a PLAYABLE in brackets. Why not compare the AI for a PLAYABLE game. Just goes to show the bias.

[i Shank u]

dude. you people who stick up for ps3 so much over this, seriously guys whats your deal. The article NEVER DIRECTLY COMPARES HALO to KILLZONE 2. YOU ALL ARE MAKING SH!T UP! THEY ALSO TRASH TOO HUMAN WORSE THEN THEY DO KILLZONE! AND THAT GAME COMES OUT NEXT YEAR AND IS IN ALPHA STAGES TOO! AND NONE OF YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR "PRACTICE" OF TRASHING UNRELEASED GAMES WHEN IT COMES TO TOO HUMAN? WHY? BECAUSE ITS A 360 GAME, and all some of you care about and see is PS3! DOUCHEBAGS!

[MarioFromTexas]

Halo3 still looks like Sh1t and has the worst animations...Anyone that has played Halo2 will tell you that the A.I. is average at that...Resistance has by far the best and most aggressive A.I. in a FPS. I'm not just talking crap like you xbots, I have played games from both consoles and don't base my opinion on what I read but what I have played. I seen videos of Halo3 when the brutes just stand there and get run over by the warthog. Halo is not about A.I it's about multiplayer and it's funny how you xbots run to defend it. What's so impressive about Halo A.i. nothing it's your average FPS game.

You can say all you want about Killzone2 and you haven't played, but I have played halo1 and halo2 and halo2 A.I. is not as good as these dumbazz make it out to be...Play resistance and then come back to me on the A.I....

[reaferfore20]

Why do you always start flamewars firstknight? Your comments always instigate "whining" from "fanboys".

[reaferfore20]

Why do you always start flamewars firstknight? Your comments always instigate "whining" from "fanboys".

Sorry double post.

[Bloodmask]

the XBOX 360 will always outdo the PS3 in the AI department. It can dedicate a full core just for AI unlike the PS3. Not to mention that it has superior multithreading.

Just listen to what Ubisoft had to say about the new Splinter Cell: “It’s NEVER gonna come out on the PS3 or the Wii.” It’s a logical decision. Nintendo’s console simply doesn’t have the graphical horsepower, and he candidly told us how the PS3 can’t handle AI nearly as well as the 360.

[shoota33]

Wow you really dont have a clue about what you are talking about.i dont have time to flame you in a paragraph of typing so i will leave it up to someone else to make you see how stupid you sound.
"the XBOX 360 will always crush the PS3 in the AI department"lol
you really are a brainwashed fool.lol

[Taker_129]

there are seven cores in the ps3, each one can be used for different elements with in games(ai, physics, animation, etc.) Where the 360 only has three so you need to get you fact straight before posting stupid things.

[BloodySinner]

And you're not, right?

[DarkArcani]

WOW.... You know you can't listen to developers when they say one game cannot be done on one console vs. the other. Every developer that makes an exclusive says that. E V E R Y D E V.

It's like saying that resistance couldn't be done on the 360, which the devs said wasn't possible. You very well know that if any dev. really wanted to they could make any game on any console. MGS4 could be put on 360 and SC:Conviction could be put on PS3 with no differences (when not ported).
And you very well know that the cell is made for computing things such as AI and Physics. As I know the 360 CPU is made to do the same. They both just do it differently.

[secret]

1) What's your grade point average, really
2) What's the name of your school and highest degree attained (Is it a degree in computer programming or physics or science at all??)
3) What's your current income
4) How much money have you spend the xbox360 -- including internet fees, games, accessories, bluray player standalone or PS3, and HD-DVD player because the xbox360 didn't come with a bluray or HD-DVD player. We'll see if you're smart or just a consumer.

By the way, DVD isn't hi-definition or else we wouldn't need Bluray or HD-DVD. Almost all 360 people get tricked into thinking DVD is hi-def once you get an xbox360 because it can output 720/1080. Everything you mentioned above about AI is another trick Microsoft pulled on you. Remember the most recent trick of sending out refurbished or same stock 360's for your red ring of death console?

You want to end this console debate thing once and for all? Ask Microsoft (you have his direct line, don't you?? You can setup a borad meeting with all the Microsoft heads anytime you want right? You're not just some average joe, are you? Not with that kind of intelligence and knowledge about gaming consoles.) to raise the price of the 360 to the PS3 price. Yes, in fact, scratch that. Set all three console's price to the same level, and we'll truly see which system sells more, which system is truly better.

If Microsoft thinks it's system is truly better than the PS3, then let me ask you this question. Why is it hiding behind a low price like the Wii??

By the way, I own shares of stock in Microsoft. Been buying since I was a sophomore in High School. And guess what. I used some of the money to buy two PS3's.

And another thing. Regardless of what the PS3's graphics or feature set or AI or Physics or quality build is, that is OUR PROBLEM, NOT YOURS. You just worry about going to best buy to purchase your standalone bluray player and / or HD-DVD add-on and the yearly internet fees to argue and cuss and fight with your other xbox counterparts, since that's all your kind relaly likes to do - make people hate you.

Again, let me tell you something -- whatever the PS3's deficiency that you think it has, thanks for your concern, but that's our problem and an issue for PS3 owners to resolve and deal with, okay? Since we are the ones who bought the console, not you. You didn't buy one. Okay? We feel sorry for your mistake in purchasing the 360 and lack of understanding in consoles and mathematical analysis, but we didn't say anything, did we? We just let you play along happily with your piece of junk, letting you think whatever journalists and your friends tell you. CONSUMER.

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

I also, read an article longtime ago about some tech geek compareing 360 & PS3. He stated that 360 has bettter ai, because it uses the full potential of one of its cores, and has way better GPU. While PS3 on the otherhand, was more about how much detailed you can make a game and its power of doing great physics. There are two titles that are pushing ai on the 360, which are Splinter Cell conviction, and Fable 2. Also another title from Lionhead Studios, which is BC, and Tri Aces Infinite Undiscovery who are also pushing this.

-bootsielon

EDIT: Actually I seen that clip of HS with that whole army, but all they were doing was standing around stareing at her as if they were going to get some, and few button animations. So woundnt call that shet AI for nothing, especially claiming that they individually had there own AI...not likely, they were just standing there like a dynasty warrior game.

[Bloodmask]

You win a bubble for not being a foolish lemming bc you are correct. AI is full of multiple branching pathways which the Cells SPU's suck at. No branch prediction.

[eLiNeS]

Can KillZone 2 work on the Xbox 360? Because the Fony fandroids keep saying that and it's bull. There are more Fony fandroids so it is like a bull horn in our ears compared to our little squeakers.

For the AI slam, the Fony fandroids should be happy, this way the Dev will take notice and fix it. DO you think it will ship that way if the fandroids are crying about it. I don't think so or you wouldn't buy it.

I am sure the game will play well, but it won't be HALO 3, maybe Lair or better rating.

[SlippyMadFrog]

don't try to sound smart dude

"What's your current income"
What does that have to do with anything? Britney Spears earns A LOT and she is REAL dum

"How much money have you spend the xbox360 -- including internet fees, games, accessories, bluray player standalone or PS3, and HD-DVD player because the xbox360 didn't come with a bluray or HD-DVD player. We'll see if you're smart or just a consumer."
This is funny. Do you list buying a standalone BR player or PS3 as spending money on Xbox360??? You know what is being a smart and not just a consumer, buying only neccesary things and not being forced to buy things you DON'T need. Most of the gamers out there don't have a HD TV but you force a blu-ray player on them. I'd rather CHOOSE if I want a HD-DVD player or not.

"Almost all 360 people get tricked into thinking DVD is hi-def once you get an xbox360 because it can output 720/1080."
How did you come to the conclusion that "Almost all 360 people" think DVD is hi-def? I think they bought a Xbox360 because they want to play HD games without paying $600 for a system with things in they don't need.

"Set all three console's price to the same level, and we'll truly see which system sells more, which system is truly better."
"If Microsoft thinks it's system is truly better than the PS3, then let me ask you this question. Why is it hiding behind a low price like the Wii??"
Please dude, you are getting ridiculous. Price is one of the factors that makes a system better than another system. Are you asking that the Xbox360 through away one of it's major advantages?

"By the way, I own shares of stock in Microsoft. Been buying since I was a sophomore in High School. And guess what. I used some of the money to buy two PS3's."
:/ What's your point? Are we supposed to feel intimidated because you own shares in Microsoft? Does that make your arguments valid? Plus, buying shares in Microsoft isn't the smartest thing to do, you don't get a high return.

"We feel sorry for your mistake in purchasing the 360 and lack of understanding in consoles and mathematical analysis"
I don't think buying a Xbox360 (at almost the same price as a Wii) and play great games like Gears of War, Halo 3 and Bioshock is a mistake. I think you are the one with a "lack of understanding in consoles" since you bought a console to watch BR movies and not play games with. And you bought 2 of them :/ There is $1200 dollars gone, why not also get a Xbox360 and get the best of both worlds?
"mathematical analysis" - LOL

I don't think you are grown up mate, I just don't believe it.

[bootsielon]

Whatever you want to believe keep it to yourself. It has been proven that the SPUs can handle AI pretty well. In fact, they can comunicate between each other (they don't need the PPU to do AI). Heavenly sword handles 1000s of characters AI at the same time; it's an amazing feat however you want to look at it. IGN and Gameinformer praised Killzone's AI.

And by the way, you'd have credibility had your comments not been so biased in the past. Sorry.

[Ri0tSquad]

Xbox 360 fanboys UNITE! This very entertaining watching you guys defend your console like you sold your soul for it. PATHETIC. I also had a good laugh at the guy who thought he could get away with Blu Ray is going down VERY VERY SOOn LOL good laughs good laughs your all comedians.

[dantesparda]

An "in-line" processor isnt nearly as good at branch prediction or AI as a "OoOE" is. And anybody who think that's any video games AI is good, is a complete and utter idiot. All AI is dumb, period! now get off these systems nuts! And Bloodmask, you are a super-fanboy, one of the worst on this site, get off MS' d!ck, and the same with that Elines guy (or whatever-the-fvck his name is)

[kingofps3]

"Actually, Shoe killed himself after last Saturday's Michigan football game. This is his ghost writing this"...

I though Shoe killed himself out of his own stupidity.

@Bloodmask
"the XBOX 360 will always crush the PS3 in the AI department. It can dedicate a full core just for AI onlike the PS3." LMFAO

The PS3 has 8-9 SPUs to do any given stuff, whereas you b1tch got only 3 over-heating cores. So, STFU :)

[THUNDERMARE]

I found that the 3 over heating core sound kindda funny, no offense here 360 fan.

[WilliamRLBaker]

and this actually got agree's? lol 8-9 spus? really?

*laughs hard* oh by the way if you did any research its the GPU thats comming loose from the MOBO on the 360 not the cpu.

[THC CELL]

Ok Egm judged a game before the 100% completed and people Bash it.

them who agreed with that as Stupid come on.

Halo 3 Vs Killzone
All i have to say well Killzone ftw nuff said

Halo will not get a higher rating than halo 1

Haze alone Kicks Halo 3 ai And that is true

[rubarb23]

"Halo 3 Vs Killzone All i have to say well Killzone ftw nuff said"
lol, is that a fact? and you base that on.....what?.....a couple of videos? killzone better than halo, isn't that what you sony guys said about the 1st killzone? look what happened to that turd.
look i'll be honest, killzone 2 does look visually awesome but to say it's going to be better than halo 3? ummmmm, i don't know about that one. visuals can only get you so far, lair anyone.
let's look at this way. guerilla, what game have they put out that's been amazing? what reputation do they have compared to bungie? honestly tell me.
bugie has released 2 halo games that regardless of what you and i think about them, have sold millions and have been critically acclaimed. this is a fact, regardless of your opinion. halo is a well established franchise about to explode with the release of halo 3.
so if you look at what each game has done and it's impact, saying something like killzone 2 being better than halo 3, is like saying true crime is better than gta - get my drift? same thing goes for comparing haze and it's ai. where do you sony guys get that comparison, in my opinion, haze looks like crap. i really hope it's exclusive to the ps3, it's just a wanna be halo game. only one elvis baby!
so to end this i really think this killzone/halo comparison should stop. killzone 1 blew junks, and killzone 2, well it will hopefully be a great game, fact is this has yet to be determined. halo is on another level, a successful one.

[jared81799]

Would have been more fair to compare CoD 4 and Halo 3. Opposed to judging something they didnt play and is 6 months off most likely. They just like to get everyone's panties in a uproar.

[power of Green]

I love the answer to

" KZ2 isn't close to being finsished compared to Halo 3".

#3 TI has said he's going to use 360's AI capabilties as much as he knows how for Ninja Gaiden 2.

[THC CELL]

Green Have u not seen Red yet.

I wont bash halo 3 ai yet cause i have not played it.

when i think about a copy i will hope not to

Run A waaaay!! get me

[tehcellownu]

talk about bein a halo fan..lol...microsoft should hire him hah

[Honcho]

This shouldn't even be discussed.. A finished game compared to a game in the pre alpha/ alpha stage?? Everyone, whether your a sony or microsoft fanboy knows this is ridiculous.

[Gravitons]

Lol Dan Hsu, his word means nothing.

Anyways, I say all you stupid fanboys wait till the games come out until crying OMFG MY AI IS INFERIOR IM GOING TO CUT MYSELF.

[power of Green]

People are in here high lighting what EGM said and there are angry fanboys replying in a knee-jerk fashion, funny thing is; is the insult in your post yet you came in here to comment and vent you ass hurt disslike blowing these gaming pro's off.

#3.1 and #3.2 have no idea what they're talking about #3.2 you do know how the PS3's inards work and why people say things like what #3 said?.

[power of Green]

Thats not what others have been saying with hands on.

people say Halo's AI is more complex than Bioshock.

We all have the vidoc on our HDD's the COV have leaders or higher ups that are smarter than the average troop and they make real time judgments and give real time orders and even use the same tactics we use. Not even debatable man/dude.

[Ju]

Good to hear. See, that would be a showcase implementation for the CELL. A master core which controls the multiple (inferior) troops. You could scale the AI using the complex algorithm on the ppu while spreading the low level pieces across multiple spus. Thanx for the use case.

BTW: That is exactly what HS does. Big crouds, further away spread across spus, closer foes, single opponents scaled on to the PPU for advanced AI handling.

[THC CELL]

Halo 1 best fps for the x box
halo 2 a failure (mods and crap story)
halo 3 has a lot to make up for ( still i think its pointing in the Halo 2 path)

Ai means nothing anymore i think millons of people would be happy with just multi player.

Like warhawk.

[BloodySinner]

u r a tr0ll k?kthxbai

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

Halo 2 was somewhat a failure because the developers believed they didnt do what they really wanted to do and they said they failed on there part, and the only thing that sucked about the story was the confusing ending....othere than that, HALO 2 FCKING PWND BIOTCHES, AND THATS THE WHOLE POINT THERES A HALO 3 DDDUUHHH, ya damm vagina....

-beavis4play

EDIT: Well if you search Bungie on Wikipedia, they say they are in developement of a action game not FPS, but I think they are just barely developeing it.

[beavis4play]

sorry, there is a halo 3 because bungie can't do anything else. when they come up with a new game that doesn't have to do with halo- let me know.

[The Chief of Mjolnir]

It´s just beacuse Bungie made one version of Halo 2, but they were not happy with it, so they trashed it and made a new one, but they were short on time to make it as good as they wanted it.

[fopums]

"Only one that feels guilty sees the necessity to defend oneself.
Amirite?"

I was gonna say somthing, but this pretty much is my sentiment, if he needs to reinstate his opinion he screwed up the first time.

[TheExecutive]

In this case you are right, hes an idiot and shouldnt be allowed to write anything thats published.

[WilliamRLBaker]

then every one would stone to death any one that defended them selves in a court trial, just because you defend your self doesn't mean your guilty or feel guilty.

Some times it pisses people off when people make false claims againest them and they have every right to stand up and make a statement againest such things.

[GnaM]

The fact that these were E3 awards pretty much nullifies any argument against the incident. The E3 awards are about what was shown at E3...not what will be shown later on when the games are done. Killzone 2's showing for AI was not up to snuff...too bad. Maybe Killzone 2 can win best AI of the year for 2008 when the game is done... Maybe if they weren't so busy trying to push the visuals to match the "fake" E3 2005 trailer, they could have had more gameplay features to show for the game at E3 2007...like AI.

Just goes to show, the industry needs to stop placing so much emphasis on visuals. While I do fault the KZ2 developers for succumbing to the pressure, we also need to blame the game journalists who made such a big deal over the in-game graphics needing to match CGI trailer. We should have gotten a gameplay demo of Killzone 2, but instead we mostly just got a graphics demo to appease people whining about the E3 2005 trailer. Ultimately differences in visual quality are pretty inane in the grand scheme of things.

Gameplay FTW!

[Taker_129]

But EGM are the last people to listen to when it involves sony. Killzone 2 got the award for dumbess AI from them but everyone else that seen the game says the AI was great, so who do we believe?

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

dddduuuuhhhh, didn't you just read the article, they were there, watching both played demos at E3.

[GnaM]

I've watched gameplay footage of KZ2 from E3, and while I didn't see the Helghast doing anything really terribly stupid in the clips I saw, you could tell that the AI was very minimal - they were basically just walking around shooting like zombies from Doom. So far the only mag to say anything positive about the game was Game Informer, and everywhere else, mags either said nothing (because they were obsessing over the graphics) or they said they were underwhelmed by the AI. If you think the Killzone AI really did anything exceptional, you must be stretching to fill your hopes for the PS3.

[MarioFromTexas]

Where was the Halo3 videos 8 months before release..There were nowhere to be found..You are such a douche bag...The only thing we have seen of halo is some CGI comercials. Why does bungie not show halo3...you want to know why because it's a peice of Sh1tt.

I'm going to stand up for KZ2, becasue at least they are showing us the goods because it's an awsome looking game..Halo3 no show....No show means it sux and they know xbots are dumb enough to buy it before they see it. Let's see how well your purple hero does this holiday season against true FPS games that define the genre.

[sYs Ghost Lethal]

sony fanboys just cant take n tha truth that halo 3 iz goin 2 dominate halos A.I. has always been good n 4 tha people that didnt play tha first killzone n even try 2 compare it 2 halo has obviously been hidin under a rock this whole time no sony gnomes killzone iz not ur answer 2 halo so stop postin stupid s*** up cuz ur makin urselfs look stupid

[Amp]

Stupid? Look it up Braniac

[IRONMAN_357X7]

NO SH*T THERE WERE FLAWS, ITS IN BETA AND ITS BEEN UPDATED FOR THE AI TO DESTROY THE PLAYER, HALO HAS THE WORST AI IVE SEEN SENCE, TS3.

TO BLOODMASK
WTF are you talking about, ps3 has 8 SPU's and 360 only has 3, psss plz, bioshock proves how 360 can only put 2 CPU's on screen so stop sniffing nain

[BloodySinner]

I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER TROLL, PEOPLE! THIS ONE LIKES TO TYPE WITH CAPS!

[DarkArcani]

Ironman can you please read what you wrote before you reply. And do research first before you comment. The 360 doesn't really have SPU's.

[The Chief of Mjolnir]

And you are even more pathetic, beacause you got another account, because you didn´t think right when you wrote on the other ones.

You know what we should do? Ban all these fanboys who can´t post a normal comment without flaming, so the average gamer don´t have to step through a huge pile of BS, to see some good comments from normal people.

[MarioFromTexas]

comeon now.....I still can't beleave you are in denial about the ps3 being more powerful than the 360. Look at lair and heavenly sword 9 months from launch and 360 is in 2 years and can't compete with these graphics...Killzone2 is just going to destroy 360 plain and simple..I know you xbots say it's not about the graphics...

If it wasn't about the graphics, we would all be still playing with our PS2 right? PS3 owners don't regret getting a PS3, but 360 owners do, that's why they are always trying to find flaws in the PS3. Look at how many trolls come to the PS3 articles...

If they have an award for worst A.I. how come they don't have worst graphics for FPS...I guess halo3 would win that

[demolitionX]

Mario u're the best, can't say more. xbots are trying to convince themselves that not buying PS3 wasn't a mistake. BTW it was, 2008 we'll c lot of 360 on ebay. $50 LMAO........

[Charlie2688]

Why wont he just admit they made a stupid decision to get more controversy instead of giving us half baked responses with what seem to be some very bad attempts to make them sound funny or remotely credible

>.>

[Ju]

Hm, I agree. Is it the time we are living in or what's that? I think to remember the time when a kid would have said, "umpfh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have done that". Today they say: "STFU, I am right!".

[freediro87]

this basically is covering up his tracks, because they know they scrwewed, up they should have maned up stuck to their guns and not say anything, now they just look, stupid trying to cover up their lies and stupidity.

by the way any game can be made on any other console even PS3 to 360, it might just have to be multiple discs.

but the PS3 does have 7 core processors so actually once devs grab a hold of that power they can use 3 cores just for Ai and leave the rest for the game, that would be as many cores to Ai as to the whole 360, hmmmmmmmmm?

last time i checked there are som dumbass people in battle who screw up and pop out and try to be crazy and heroic, so Ai has no real staple to go off of, what if the game is about a bunch or retards running around is the bad Ai?

journalism in gaming is more like high school kids spreading rumors then anything else! you know its true too!

[vaan]

That guy is a fanboy tosser just like bloodmask, Firstshite and Power Of Peen.
So obvious. All of em.
Go fix a 360 or something.

[DarkArcani]

That was worthless.

You ever think that maybe at this point Halo has better AI than Killzone does? Key word "at this point." It's too soon to tell for Killzone, but at this point in its development cycle Halo is going to take it in AI. Wait till it is done.

[Ju]

^^^ Maybe you can point me to an (past) article, which said "at this time Halo3 completely sucks - we know its not ready, but it sucks already". Now go digging. Its all about perception, and somehow it is always right to fill the negative press with PS3 news. Seems like Sony/PS3 still is useful for something.

[IRONMAN_357X7]

dumbasses

[IRONMAN_X57]

:P

[SlippyMadFrog]

Try not being a troll, that works the best ;)

[caffman]

That my friend would be too much to ask really. Once a troll, always a troll. Curious if he even owns a console though

[Fighter]

Was there even a playable demo of Halo 3 at E3? Because the developers could've programmed the A.I to be smart just for that demo to be displayed to the public.

Same thing can be said for the Killzone display that was shown to only certain media rather than everyone at E3. The devs probably programmed the A.I to be dumb just so those select journalists (maybe Shu was not invited) could see what it would be like to use the weapons on enemies and the environment and how detailed the effects would be after the shots are fired.

[Genki]

"Only one that feels guilty sees the necessity to defend oneself."

All that needs to be said. If he/they were sincere, and supposedly only mindless fanboys are up in arms about this, why even bother? Surely you can't take a fanboy or console extremist seriously, so why even try to appease to them? Makes no sense, does it?

IMO, KZ2 has average A.I. from what I saw, but we've gotta factor in that we don't know exactly how quickly you'll be dying in this game. The 25 minute developer reel I watched had the player getting LIT UP with bullets left and right, but of course it was on god mode for demonstration purposes. I'd say the A.I. was average at worst. I have seen MUCH worse A.I. than what's been exhibited from KZ2 so far. It is by no means up to par yet, but I doubt that it's the worst.

This is PR ladies and gents, nothing more, nothing less. You take this to heart, you're as much a sucker as any fanboy, regardless of what side they're on, in relation to their respective camps. Anything Microsoft vs. Sony = massive hits and attention. THIS VERY SITE IS EVIDENCE ENOUGH OF THAT. Shoddy journalism? Maybe. Does it generate hits and sales? Absolutely. That's the bottom line though, and when you're in their line of work that's what ultimately matters. I suggest you all take it with a grain of salt. The videos are there for all of us to see after all.

[WilliamRLBaker]

If every one had that opinion we'd stone people to death without trials.

You know how would you like it if i spread about that you we're gay, and every one in your town thought you we're? started calling you gay, your girlfriend/boy friend *dont know if your a guy or a girl* left you, your friends stopped hanging with you, and you stopped geting jobs...ect because of it? dont you think you'd stand up and prove your not? or make a statement to such affect?

Dont you think you have the right? just because someone defends them selves doesn't mean they are guilty or feel such a way, Some times it pisses people off when others slander their name.

I certainly know if someone slandered my name with lies I'd speak up.

[Genki]

First if all, you can't compare this to a justice system...this isn't some witch hunt for the Unabomber.

Secondly, to address your little scenario. Here's how it would really happen:

My friends and co-workers aren't all bigots first of all. I worked with a homosexual when I was in high school. Didn't have a problem with the man, and although I didn't agree with his lifestyle, he actually had self respect and dignity, and I can respect that, and believe me, I'm not the only one. We don't live in the Dark Ages anymore. Anyway, people that know me wouldn't believe you. Secondly, people that didn't know me, wouldn't care. When I met new people, if they weren't bigots anyway(don't associate with them in the first place, so that's not my loss), they would come to understand that I wasn't a homosexual. Simple, no?

And if it did happen the way you say it, then guess what? I wouldn't care. That's right. Don't care what people think of me now, nor will I ever. There's a problem with society in that 99% of people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of what you may consider to be evidence or proof. There's examples of it everywhere. Politics, religion, patriotism, racism, it's all over the place. When we get into the realms of subjective critiques in journalism and sexuality, the lines blur even further. How can one prove such things? Personally, I'm the type of individual who feels that so long as I know I'm right, ESPECIALLY with my own personality, I don't NEED to prove a thing. To who? Will the accuser be living my life after they get this proof? Nope, and so long as that's the case, I couldn't care less.

You're correct though, it is someones right to defend themselves. Never said it wasn't, I'm just pointing out how I feel about this particular case.

Beyond all that, this is a bit different than proving your point to those with credibility and actual reason to question you. Simply put, he shouldn't be responding to what fanboys are saying. That's like an aerospace engineer explaining themselves to a toddler. Since when did a biased extremist warrant an explanation?

With that in mind, I absolutely WOULDN'T care if someone like yourself, who didn't, doesn't, and most likely won't ever know me personally, said I was gay. Why? Baseless, no credibility, that's why.

Therefore, he should be laughing rather than explaining himself.

If I told your family and friends that your name was Spaghetti Monster, would you go out of your way to defend that?

[gEnKiE]

woah, so your the one that took the name "Genki", anyways, i think of purpose for the demo they made the AI "dumb" to show off the way the enemies take hits...who knows. Also im sure that they didnt take all their time on the AI seeing that they had the graphics department working full bore to catch up to the orignal trailer. I really want to see a demo and try it for myself regardless of how the AI acts.

[Shaka2K6]

for the attention and to sell some egm copies.
what a sell out.

[Bordel_1900]

I hereby award Dan Hsu with the Big Turd award of 2007.

[SRuN4]

Shoe was hating on KZ2 as soon as he could, if i remember correctly it was on the 1up Show at E3 where he came out and said Gears of War on X360 still looks better than KZ2, and last time I checked he gave Gears a 10. So the guy plain out is a hater of the game, no way around it.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

I am so tired of these cr*ppy wars. Every just go and enjoy your bloody games.

[RINGOFDEATH]

What good Xbox 360 games when your 360 will die on you .

[eLiNeS]

but I'm not crying about it. I have a new one in the mail, it will be here tomorrow and the old one will go back to Costco once I migrate my content over. Not a big deal for me.

And the best part about it is, I would rather have a RRODed Xbox 360 that's covered for 3 years with AAA Top of the Chart GameS then a PofS3 with no games and a Blu-ray that will RIP along side BETAMAX soon, very soon.

[razer]

Never had a problem with either. Not that I don't think the 360 has hardware problems that are being fixed, but when I read comments like this they make me laugh because you think every person who owns a 360 has RROD. You are actually so pityful you create your whole identity around it.

[TheExecutive]

the basic problem is that you are judging something that you have no business judging. Its like judging the contents of a book by reading 20 pages of it. You (Dan) are an idiot, plain and simple. You looked at E3 films and decided to make a story about what AI looked the dumbest? Just admit what you were doing (looking for attention) and get on with your miserable life. You people at 1up and EGM and every other gamer magazine better pull your heads out your a$$es and realize that you are being watched by consumers that care about objective PROFESSIONAL opinions and stop being a 15 year old girl that decides that they need to make up sh!t to make their lives interesting. Its pathetic and an embarassment to journalism. Grow up or get out!

[WilliamRLBaker]

And you are a judgemental hypocritical nazi, Whom judges any one on face value and gets no hard facts about a person, you dont know him and yet you say all this? You can't show me even 5 journalist whom actually get 100% of the facts before reporting on something, Cause if they did they others would preempt them and they'd be out of a job.

Heres the thing, in real life, you'd wuss out. you wouldn't be able to say this to any one at any time face to face, you hide behind the net and thats a fact.

P.S: I've read what you've wrote on this site, and you do every thing EGM did you base your opinions on games from first impressions constantly specially when they are on an system you dont like, Why dont you attack other magazines for it? I know because EGM doesn't bow down to your fav system the ps3. I've read your comments and your a sony fanboy and you know it, your so anti microsoft because they aren't sony its not even funny.

[GnaM]

Publications talking about who had the best and worst showings at E3 is completely normal and has been done for years. It's not like judging a book based on the first 20 pages, it's like judging a manuscript or draft (and other manuscripts and drafts) based on the entirety of what's been given to you. Again, this has been done for tons of games for years, I'm sure EGM criticized other unfinished games which were at E3, and yet people aren't throwing a temper tantrum over those games...why? Because they're not first party PS3 games, so you don't care.

[Wii60_FTW]

shoe just completely annihilated all those sony dogs on his page.

[TheExecutive]

All of this comes down to money... I dont know what kind of society we actually live in where hype and hysteria live above honesty and good opinion but I know its heading down the wrong path. This man and many like him made this story to do exactly what its doing. Its causing people to get in an uproar about things. Why do the executives hire someone like this dousche? because of people like us. Does that make it ok? no. Where does it end? with us. Stupidity begits stupidity, so why not end it?

[Ju]

I kind of agree, but then I am not sure if he is even aware of what he's doing. What I see is some form of missing responsibility in our current society. Instead of being held accountable of maybe having made a mistake, everybody immediately turns defensive. We lost the feeling what its like to be accountable. Everybody expects the worst if something goes wrong and overreacts immediately. Instead of trying to calm things down, people pure oil into the fire. Maybe, that is something, which comes with age and experience. Things, which a lot of people don't have these days (any more ?).

[The Wood]

so a.i is the next best thing to discredit a game. And to the dumbasses who say sonyboys are whining about this and that; id like to see what some of your comments on the overrated, overhyped and average halo beta articles. i wonder

That whole establishment suck; EVEN if they give sony exclusives 10 out of 10 i still wouldn't trust them. I mean they will never give a sony game its TRUE props just so tw*ts can talk about the metacritic score which will obviously be lower because of questionable marking by some people. Im not for one minute saying a sony exclusive cant suck but just because egm/1up doesn't have 360 or ms in their title doesn't mean they are not bias; i mean have you ever watched the 1up show for fr*gg sake.

Just imagine firstnight, bloodmask or the mart with a job in the gaming media. Do you think they would lose all their bias??????? The only difference between this dan hsue guy and the fanboys of n4g is that , that dude is getting paid and the fanboys of this site are not (maybe he is a member of n4g on the sly) i mean we all know these reviewers read blogs and stuff but they rarely leave their real names, strange that

[FirstknighT]

I'm sick of hearing the excuse of EGM being bias for the 360 and against the ps3. These guys are professional editors of a respectable magazine. It's their career! Their profession! They get paid good money to review games. And I'm sure they're gamers too. A dream job for these guys. You think they're gonna risk all that by being biased against Sony just because they're "fanboys" or because they prefer their 360???

Stop the excuses already!!!!!

[The Wood]

and prove me right Dan Hsu just smart enough to get himself a job. If we can agree that he is a nintendo preferrer why cant he dislike sony numpty

bias is a part of life. ALL MEDIA have some kind of bias whether it be political party, team, person, style, origin or whatever and guess what? im not complaining. Im not even saying that egm as a whole is bias but people within it are. some towards sony some towards ms and some towards nintendo; whats so irrational about that. i guess you would have us believe that that dude who used to work for the 360 mag that now works for the psm mag is impartial huh. Would you listen to anything from an ex playstation mag editor that now wears 360 colours? i think not. Comments like that make you seem new at life or just plain ignorant. whats your excuse?

To take it a step deeper media may report truths but only the truths they want people to hear. this shoe brothers selection of things that are not worth comparing yet is a testament to this. he could of compared kz2 to halo3 graphics couldn't he but guess what? he chose not to and thats his prerogative. my prerogative is to use my own judgement about him and what he says and i say he has a bias or an alteria motive. kool

[fenderputty]

"I'm sick of hearing the excuse of EGM being bias for the 360 and against the ps3. These guys are professional editors of a respectable magazine. It's their career! "

Yet you ignore all the other professionals in the industry who've given the game nothing but praise. Seriously .... just stop talking. It's better for you.

Edit: @ 33.4, I wasn't talking to you. I didn't even quote you.

[The Wood]

what are you talking about? did you read or skim my comment.. Im just pointing out that as human beings we have bias and why couldnt mr hsu. ill repeat that egm may not be bias BUT some people within are. im not saying that it makes it a good or bad publication im just showing you that i believe all media have some kind of bias. I tell you what. give me a writer within a publication that has shown no bias towards anything and quit posting (apart from financial and other factual publications).

[The Wood]

but yours was in the reply section so an easy mistake on my part either way you seem like you believe bias does not exist in the gaming media.

[power of Green]

You're one foolish fanboy. One of the worst kind the kind that makes excuses for Sony trying to sound smart.

Sad fanatic using slander and bashing not one person but many opinions and observations.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

And XBOX 360 is the best console. Duh...

[TheExecutive]

i agree with you... the 360 is the best console... for now, but how long do you think it will remain there? When '08 arrives what does it have? not much... you know why? and you know why they have been focusing so hard on this xmas? there will be a new xbox by xmas of '09. plain and simple. the original xbox lasted for 4 years, this xbox will last 4 years. the original xbox sold around 24 million, this xbox will sell around 24 million. do you see a pattern?

MS is doing what it does best. it re-hashes old products and sells them as brand new awesome things. people keep buying it, and it makes them money... why change? You keep buying it, even if it has a 33% failure rate, so why change? You will buy a new product every 2-4 years so why make something that will last? THEY DONT AND YOU KNOW WHY? i think you do.

[SlippyMadFrog]

"the original xbox lasted for 4 years, this xbox will last 4 years. the original xbox sold around 24 million, this xbox will sell around 24 million. do you see a pattern?"

How can you see a pattern? It only happened once that microsoft stopped support for a console and you see a pattern. Nice logic

[GMR_PR]

WOWWWWW man, that's got to be the dumbest comment i had read so far. Very nice logic.

lolololololololololol...

keep it up you're funny.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

The PS3 has crap games, the only reason I haven't sold it is because I have an HDTV and I feel a lot more secure about Blu ray than I do HD DVD.

I can think of 2 games to maybe hold on to your PS3. Final Fantasy XIII, and Maybe the new rumored IP that Rockstar games is gonna make for PS3. I think Sony is trying to justify loosing GTA exclusivity, so they are gonna provide money so Rockstar has the means to make something ambitious. But that's just a theory of mine.

[mighty_douche]

both consoles can handle AI the same, it just takes time on each one, if i get a pc game the quality of the AI doesnt depend on what type of CPU or GPU i have does it!? what is it with people.....
anyway, even (which i very much doubt) if killzones AI isnt quite as good as halos who cares, 99% of the time you'll be playing halos multiplayer so what difference does AI make there?? plus, just go look at killzone.... it rapes halo in everyother department, graphics, sound, destructable invironments, oh and did i mention GRAPHICS!!!!

[WilliamRLBaker]

KILLZONE 2 does have stupid AI at this point and thats a fact. When the enemy jumps out from cover for no reason and stands there long enough for you to kill him with most any weapon then that AI is stupid.

Just like halo 3's AI was stupid in the alpha stages!

[shysun]

Assasians Creed AI looked pretty damn bad to me but oh well....

[Cosmo]

The only reason that game got a look is because of the hot producer. I forgot her name...but that being said she is cute, but local clubs have hotter.

[mighty_douche]

in my opinion the most important part of a game now is the multiplayer, especially in the case of HALO, its the multiplayer that made the series as big as it is today, lets be fair halo 2's single player was wank! so to me AI isn't the most important part, you may play through a game a few times but the most fun to be had is pwning real people!

[Dogswithguns]

I hate that dude.

[Dmack79]

is a F**king moron! It makes no sense to compare a game that is almost finished to a game that still has like 6 months to release!

[fopums]

eh theys lots o' comments!

I want to let all fanboys know, that when I see "you _____ fanboys" I immediately stop reading your comment.

otherwise a few posters have made some good comments, WilliamBaker I can see where your coming from, with just trying to clears ones name. I just think this is a bit different scenario.

cheers :D

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Can't say anything bad about the PS3 or the PS3 fans will scream and throw tantrums while screaming TAKE IT BACK! TAKE IT BACK! BIASED! BIASED! blame EGM don't blame the devs for AI that can be done on and old GameBoy. You know I have come to the ultimate conclusion that PS3 fans, are nothing but pu$$ys.

[InMyOpinion]

"Isn't it unfair to compare a game that's still months away from release (Killzone 2) to a game that's almost finished (Halo 3)?
Oh, for sure, but that's part of the problem for any E3 judging...all games are at different points in their development. But we still have E3 awards in EGM. We still have our annual E3 opinionated guide in EGM. The industry even has its own E3 awards. Are all of them fair? No...not if you look at how far along each individual title is in its development. But then again, yes...the companies are putting these products out for the media to see, and as we've done many times in the past, we'll judge them (knowing full well they're incomplete games). So in the context of these being E3 games and E3 demos, we're treating them all equally and as fairly as possible."

[Daxx]

You guys all know that Killzone 2 looks great but they still haven't put in the final AI in the game. Don't get pissed because something doesn't go your way. EGM is not biased. You guys are making yourselves believe that because the PS3 had a couple of bad game reviews from them. This will all even out once more games start coming out for the PS3 this holiday season and into 2008.

[bootsielon]

...had he not given 10/10 to Gears of War, precided by the statement: "...the game has some flaws, but since I had an amazing experience, I'll give it a 10". What does giving a 10 to a game and use the word "flaws" in the same phrase make of you? You decide.

[vaan]

So true, it really is a quality release (Gow) but the xteens don't ever tell you about the enormous wig outs and slowdown that hits when allot is going on.
One wiff of something wrong in a ps3 game and the girls are all over it.

[JokesOnYou]

Q: "Isn't it unfair to compare a game that's still months away from release (Killzone 2) to a game that's almost finished (Halo 3)?"

A: "Oh, for sure, but that's part of the problem for any E3 judging...all games are at different points in their development. But we still have E3 awards in EGM."

ha ha sonykids he said it wasnt a kz2 vs Halo3 comparison, the whole staff simply voted for a game in each category and they explained why they felt each game won its respective award, also if you actually read what he said you would know that he says its unfair but they simply judge what is shown at the time of E3 for what they see NOW, its so funny all sonykids do is attack everybody who isnt kissing sony's @ss, sure he knows that gamers are smart enough to realize that the AI may be improved prior to release but this award was accurate in his oppinion NOW, games get criticised unfairly too early all the time and later fix those issues, Too Human anbody? and its funny how he's "guilty" by default since he felt the need to defend himself from the criticism, yet David Jaffe explodes crying like a baby with curse filled rants when he doesn't like what critics write and sonykids comments read like he's a cult hero. ha ha typical sonykids=

JOY

[vaan]

You need some new material lady. This sonykids rubbish got old 50 posts ago.
You're not clever,and nobody likes you.

JOY

[The Wood]

new sign off

BITTER

[LOFT316]

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
JOY
Jackass ofthe Year

[xg-ei8ht]

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO.

The guy who wrote this story is a complete and utter arse.

Next.

The ps3 does not have 8-9 spu's.

Ever Read?

CPU: Cell Processor PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
--1 VMX vector unit per core
--512KB L2 cache
--7 x SPE @3.2GHz
--7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
--7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
--*1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
--Total floating point performance: 218 gigaflops

I'm not surprised it got flack for a.i.

But as said many times, its early days.

Valve had all the time in the world for hl2, Was it great a.i? It was easy.

KILLZONE 2 was shown very early in its life, to show ppl what its capable of graphically. and to put a dent into microsofts games etc.

Halo 3 has been finished for a few months. Killzone 2 has about 1yr until it comes out, now thats what i find funny. And if you can't get your head around that, Then you need to step away from your 360 because the fumes are hurting your mind.

[Itachi]

now we will never have to hear there sh1t again

[Daxx]

EGM is the same magazine that gave God of War a 9.8

[The Wood]

plus it would have been a little stupid to rate it low when others were rating it so high. im all for patriotism but sometimes things can go a tad too far

[beavis4play]

wheh the '05 killzone trailer came out, shoe was all over it in his editorials calling it "bullsh1t". said "there is no way the actual game will look anything like it." now fast-forward to E3 2007. the game is looking like that trailer. so now shoe has to find something else wrong with the game. he is determined to find fault with this game for reasons only he knows. i would like to get dan hsu in the same room with the guys at game informer and have a discussion on the killzone AI. that would be very interesting since both have opposite views on the games AI

[Funky Town_TX]

Give the bottle back guys. Okay, all PS3 games will be 4D, 1080p, 120 fps, and will have 2 terafops of calculations.

[caffman]

and will do all your cooking and cleaning while making the beds and folding time and space

[LeShin]

Oh boy, bloody fanboys, what to do with them......

Playing Halo 3 beta, I didn't think it was fair for people to have a dig at it for being a crap game without seeing the single player campaign.
Likewise, it really isn't fair to talk about given an award to a game that isn't even finished. We've seen ONE bloody level for godsake (Not sure why they didn't do what an INTELLIGENT website like IGN did and not give awards to any game that wasn't playable. Makes sense to me)

But here's the clincher and the thing which make all the fanboys who said that the A.I. routines were better on the 360 than the PS3, feel really stupid.......

Tell us, if what you are saying is true, then are you telling me that all MULTI-PLATFORM games that appear on BOTH the 360 and the PS3 (like the upcoming COD4 for example) have different A.I. intelligence on each console?

Didn't think so....

[Meus Renaissance]

He stated that games shown at E3 are difficult to compare or preview but still there are awards. But probably one thing you're most likely to encounter about a game that has yet still almost a year till completion is its A.I. or it's visuals. It's usually one of them. For example, the demonstrations shown by Haze showed unspectacular visuals in where people decided to dismiss it on wholely yet the gameplay mechanics seemed appealing, actually more so than the mechanics of the visually stunning KillZone 2.

Considering also the cautious approach towards Sony's game because of its predecessor's success - or lack of - was mainly due down to the A.I or performance issues; referring to KillZone 2 in a similar context of criticising the game irrelevantly is going to get some big attention considering the spotlight that's been on the game lately.

I think of the comments on that article summed it up perfectly. "Can't you guys not choose to write about something that will be so badly misunderstood?".

The game is not ready, especially in terms of it's A.I. No one will ever deny that to you, I assure you. But it's important to realise however, that the entire demonstration of KillZone 2 lately has been solely based on highlight its visual power and physics engine. Nothing more, nothing less. So why then, choose to focus on the only aspect that was missing - and overall give it a negative overview to readers?

No reason. For them to dismiss us as "fanboys raving" is absolutely pathetic. No fanboy wrote that magazine, we are all gamers at the end of the day yet if one group are to read that a game a year away from completion is being criticised - then naturally you will hear complaints. Or they arrogant enough to assume that only fanboys complain about articles? It's nonsense.

Regardless, EGM will now be closely scrutinized from now - I'll be sure to bring any stupid comparisons or articles to the attention of the gaming world until they get their fingers out of their asses and write neutral text.

[LeShin]

Agreed. Though, I've completely lost faith in anything that EGM writes and it's not only because of this article either.

[DEADEND]

what you say make perfect sense.

[Meus Renaissance]

Why didn't that get Worst AI? Because it isn't a major Sony 1st party title? I'd like a 1 on 1 debate with this man, I've seen more intelligence in KillZone 2! Maybe we can get Guerilla Games to tweak their parameters and shove a few RAM sticks in their mouth

[beavis4play]

if assasins creed were a sony exclusive, then Hsu would probably rip it for a variety of reasons.(most notably the weak looking AI) since it also appears on the 360, he won't touch it.

[Cat]

agreed. if we're basing things on stuff shown thus far and primarily at e3 (where assassins creed completely unimpressed me) it's all just, well, moot. i can't fault them for making news out of what we've been shown. i don't think it would hurt some devs to reconsider their approach to trailers and demos. i've said elsewhere on this site that the creators get really excited about what they're making and they have a vision, but we can't see the vision. we just get to see what they show us. I would be more than happy to just get a playable demo a month or so from game release.

[THE_JUDGE]

when he put that in there. He was just doing it for flamebait. He's a tool and so is anyone who believes him. THE GAME IS NOT FINISHED!!!!

[BloodySinner]

Fanboys choose to see bias(flamebait) in whatever they read.

[jlytle1234]

i think when you are losing readers daily, you gotta do something to spark interest. so you say something stupid that you know will cause people to talk. its like that piece of crap show "the view".

[NewsGforce]

Have you ever noticed how almost every topic in N4G will eventually turn into a fight for one console or another?
After watching the videos of killzone I did feel that the AI was lacking in some aspects but in no way whatsoever did it deserve the title "Worst AI". And Hsu needs to admit that comparing the game when it is this early in its stage is wrong, especially when its being compared to a game coming out in 3 weeks. I don't want to hear his lame excuses, I want him to admit that this comparison isn't right until Killzone 2 is closer to finishing. If it's AI is bad, then give it its appropriate title. I am getting both games, and I'm sure both will be fun. But making stupid and immature comparisons like this is bad for the games, bad for the industry, and most importantly, bad for the gamers.

[LeShin]

Well said!

[PS360PCROCKS]

One question: If the state of the game is pre-alpha and it has plenty of time to improve than what are you guys whining about?

[beavis4play]

i think when you buy a mag. then you expect a certain professionalism and expertise from the people who do the articles. clearly, it doesn't take a game expert to know you can't compare a game that is finished to a game with another 7-10 months of dev. time. for an editor of the mag. to have made such a huge blunder means either he isn't qualified for the job or is biased against sony or GG. that's what people are angry about.

[IRONMAN_X57]

just showing how stupid xbots can be, come on HALO ai is suffering from down syndrome, you havent really seen the actual gameplay footage, or maybe you did, but I SAW IT, the brutes let you run them over and the grunts are just the same stupid idiots from halo 1 and 2. In the demo i automatically said the AI sucked, then i just saw an updated vid on KZ2 AI, and damn it blows any AI never the least HALO, out of the water

[Daver]

What was the goal of this tread...?? start flame war again?
I hate sh!tty writters

[kvh22000]

Interesting that while EGM gave Killzone 2 the worst AI award this months issue of Game informer says Killzone2 has one of the best AI's they have ever seen. "Agressively good", according to them.

So now the question becomes...Is microsoft paying egm or is sony paying gameinformer.

[DEADEND]

Dude why everyone else on this site as smart and open minded as you are, what you've just said makes so much sense compared to all the comments I've been reading. All these 360 fanboys need to claim down and stop saying that their system runs better AI, when in fact both systems can run pretty much the same in terms of AI.

Second why can't some SONY fanboys just ignore them when you say stuff like "wait until next year we're going to have better games then you guys" or "we have 8 to 9 spu's" it makes you guys look just as childish and ignorant as they do. The fact is both consoles are great in terms of power and as far as games go there were only 2 most have games for the 360 when it was in its first year(GRAW and COD2), so when you guys say PS3 has no games well what are you going to say now that every months theres at least 3 to 4 games coming out for the system.

Look this article is stupid and childish to compare a finished game to a game that still has a year to go, and right now EGM is looking as a very bias mag in favor of MS. And thats something they should be very careful of doing because they run the risk of losing many readers, its really said to see many sites and mags that are doing this because they should know better let the fanboys be bias and the sites and mags should be the ones being professional.

[Ju]

I am skipping the rest of the 100 or so responses, but like to add one more comment (my last bubble).

This whole AI discussion is worthless. All current gen machines have enough horsepower to create an AI which wouldn't allow you to survive a second on the field. Believe me. That's not about who has the better machine. Or mine is bigger then yours. Its about the game. GG will tune theirs, Halos works different. So be it.

Damn, how did I even end up here ?

[i Shank u]

dude i had to laugh hard at your last comment. "how did i end up in here?"hahaha i promise you, after ive been in a thread over 5 mins, i ask myself the same thing

[PS360PCROCKS]

My god are you people fuc*ing retarded!? Did ANY of you actually read this guys blog? First off he states...

"Isn't it unfair to compare a game that's still months away from release (Killzone 2) to a game that's almost finished (Halo 3)?
Oh, for sure, but that's part of the problem for any E3 judging...all games are at different points in their development. But we still have E3 awards in EGM. We still have our annual E3 opinionated guide in EGM. The industry even has its own E3 awards. Are all of them fair? No...not if you look at how far along each individual title is in its development. But then again, yes...the companies are putting these products out for the media to see, and as we've done many times in the past, we'll judge them (knowing full well they're incomplete games). So in the context of these being E3 games and E3 demos, we're treating them all equally and as fairly as possible."

This MEANS that they are not TRYING to do this, it's just something the industry DOES. Is it fair? NO! But it's their JOB!

And again he never states the "A.I. sucks" He merely says it had a problem.

"It wasn't like the enemies were just standing around. Like we mentioned in the write-up, the bad guys were actually jumping out of cover to get *in* the line of fire. It's like they wanted to get shot. That alone, unfortunately, made Killzone 2 look worse (A.I.-wise) than it probably is."

"Shut up, you stupid FAQ man. The write-up in EGM greatly compliments Killzone 2 as a whole. We're just making fun of one specific thing: that whole "jumping out of cover" business.

@Ironman- your an idiot for using the word Xbot and also thinking you can tell how good A.I is from some off-screen video you saw of a game.

KVH- No one is paying ANYONE! In a year no one will remember this story.

Deadend and Ju- Good posts. It doesn't matter what the hell these systems have in them and fighting over it is stupid and childish! "Yeah well my system has 8 SPU'S" or "360 does better A.I." Are you fuc*ing kidding me? Don't you feel like a total jackass typing that? NO ONE CARES!! IT'S A PLASTIC BOX!"

Next time you little internet fanboy ranting whor*s should read the damn article before posting. I know most of you didn't, because if you had you would have conceded that the game is unfinished but as Sony decided it was finished enough to show the game to be put under criticism than these points are valid and yours are moot. It's constructive criticism, my god I hate to see what any of you do when you get job reviews, grow up.

[i Shank u]

damn man, looks like this thread pissed you off more then it did me. its like, at any job in life, your performance gets rated AS YOU PERFORM. Not a year or 2 from now; it gets rated today, right now, on how the quality of work is. and furthermore, ITS THEIR JOB AS JOURNALISTS TO HAVE OPINIONS AND TO EXPRESS THOSE OPINIONS. The original halo was getting BAD PRESS the beginnning of the year it was released. Instead of journalists saying cookie cutter crap like "oh, theres plenty of months for the AI to improve" or whatever, the journalists wrote on what the saw, which was a good game with alot of issues. The issues ended up being fixed, and all of the journalists giving their honest opinions while development was going on helped the pointing out and fixing of those problems in Halo 1. In the end Honest discussion about something can only help the end product, not hurt it. but some people gotta be little b!tches i guess

[PS360PCROCKS]

Exactly man, it's constructive criticism. Developers take all this info and use it to improve the game, because it's not biased, like someone's opinion that would be making the game. People are ridiculous, they pulled one little thing about the A.I. they noticed and it's the biggest story ever. Their all whining while Guerilla is taking that info and fixing that exact problem as they all complain.

[Relientk77]

y is this stupid A.I. debate thing between killzone and halo still going on

this is yesterday's news (literally)

[i Shank u]

there never has been a comparo. people like MEus Interpretation created the comparo news story and got people incensed over it. EGM never compared the two. fanboys created this news.

[Cosmo]

Go out and get some sun shine guys

[jwatt]

Now the devs can work even harder on the AI before it's too late. Just by looking at all the work they put into the game now, I know they will have the AI down packed when released.

[BloodySinner]

I guess you're right on that one.

[reaperxciv]

if bugs and crappy programming aren't noticed by gamers, how can devs improve on the final product, WYSIWYG. GAME ON!

[malingenie]

I bought my Sony, and I like it.
You bought your Xbox and you like it (for even longer than i have liked my PS3)
This bashing (both ways!)has to be the work of 10-15 yr olds trolling the forums.
Adults don't behave like this (or shouldn't).
I get upset about bad reviews, like everyone else, but not everything has to turn into a 360vs PS3 battle... does it?

[DJ]

instead of just walking around obstacles or hiding like a punch of wussies, some were actually rushing forward and hopping over obstacles just to kill as many ISA as they could.

I actually noticed several types of soldiers on the Helghan side. There were the normal “take cover and only fire when necessary” soldiers, but there also the ballsier “Let’s get these f*ckers!” kind of guys. The definition of good AI is having individuals that are completely aware of all aspects of their surroundings and act in a realistic manner. Not necessarily the Perfect Battle Formation, Perfect Aim, and absolutely no hightened emotions based on the intensity of the battle. There’s a difference between perfection and realism, and not everyone who goes to war is of Rambo status. While a lot of people who have grown up on the standard AI that simply takes cover and runs see Killzone’s AI as ‘dumb’, I argue that not all soldiers are ‘smart’. Also, it’s important to note that a lot of people that had hands-on time with Killzone 2 were caught off-guard by the Helghast’s aggressive nature.

What I recommend is that Guerrilla figures out ways to blend more soldier types (emotion and strategy-wise) into these battles in order to make the fights seem more believable. For the first time in a while, the odds might actually be in the enemies favor, and this is how FPS titles SHOULD be.

[sleepbox]

Killzone 2 looks great but the AI does look pretty crappy...Halo series is superior to other console FPS and EGM recognizes this...they are steaming over the Killzone 2 hype machine because they see through it...unlike this site which is riddled with enough Sony fanboys to start a small 3rd world nation. EGM even has it's own self-admitted Sony fanboy that reviews nearly every big Sony game...Shane Bettenhausen or whatever.

Halo, as a series, has defined outstanding AI since the beginning...denying this is PURE fanboyism. As stated in another post, what makes all of you so confident that GG somehow figured out how to make better AI than Halo when GG's past game's AI SUCKED...ALL OF THEM.

[gEnKiE]

I forgive him...makes sense the way he put it. It was for E3 after all so anyones game i guess. Im sure with the ai for killzone though they made them jump out on purpose of the demo, but oh well....

[xaphanze]

They didnt realize it was MS vs Sony until they picked the game? Yeah right.
They dont hate killzone 2 for possibly being a Halo killer? Yeah right.
They dont hate Sony? Yeah right.

E3 awards they say? They shouldnt include Killzone 2 in this category since the developers themselves said the game was early in development.

[PS360PCROCKS]

you must live in a fairytale. If it's shown as playable it can be judged by any journalist. Sony decided to show it off and the journalists decided to comment. Who cares if it's in early development? Everything is in early development at some point and it's always judged, critiqued and changed for the best. This happens in all business practices. Just because your butt-hurt because 1UP said "The A.I. at times jumped out of cover into bullets" doesn't make your ridiculous comment hold anymore weight. Does anyone actually have enough of a brain to realize that MAYBE just MAYBE their reporting on what they saw?

[Komrad]

seriously. waste of rack space.

[firefly00]

Xbot!

[sicknnyc]

Halo's Influence is more Sci-Fi, While KillZone's is military driven. Seeing as we don't know what the Helghast are!

[7ero H3LL]

I'd hate to say this but KillZone2 doesn't compete with Halo3. It will compete with what's out in ITS time! TimeShift, Halo3, Bioshock, MassEffect, and TooHuman are all the main entries that 360 has for the coming future. Bioshock is out now, Halo3 soon, Timeshift by December (multiplatform), and that leaves us with TooHuman as being the only possible competition for KillZone2 when it comes out.

Except for any unannounced WIP (work in progress) projects (which of course NO ONE knows about until it's announced) Halo3's success will not be hindered by a game that isn't even out yet, plain and simple. I have a 360 and I will NOT be buying KillZone2, so if you make the reverse also true, then PS3 owners will NOT be buying Halo3. THAT'S THE ONLY CHOICE EACH SIDE CAN MAKE!

Please, let's not resort to Jihadist's measures in trying to prove each other right or wrong. Keep the forums focused, and above all try make friends here, in this GAMING COMMUNITY!

[7ero H3LL]

Epic's Gears is more than capable of taking on even a 2k8 game like KillZone2, a year and some months its successor. And Halo3 will probably be sold out before I can get my hands on it, but I myself won't buy it untill I get a demo FIRST. Let the Hardcore Elite get theirs first, and wait on the reviews/praises/complaints.

I'm not a Halo vet, so I have no particular affinity for it, I see it as unknown territory on the other side of my horizon: can be both good and bad. It can either meet my expectations or just be another game in my collection. From the hype it's recieved, the epic trailers scores fanfiction fansites fanart fanaticism and overall otaku/cult following that has left a trail of both swooning fans and seething nonbelievers, I guess I kinda feel the storm that approaches.

Maybe I and millions of others are wrong, but Halo3 will probably rush out of stores and stomp into your house one way or another.

[IRONMAN_X57]

i see right through retards like you

[7ero H3LL]

denial? I'm just stating my neutrality! I have no prejudices (like fanboys do) toward or against any particular side, other than the fact that I own a 360 and not a ps3. If I am too be fit into the farm of fanboys and not heard for my opinion, then I can clearly see that all forum discusions will ultimately devide us into OPPOSING sides.

[jcgamer]

all you did was state your opinion and this guy gets personal...he sounds like this other IRONMAN cat that I had to literally fuss out yesterday...you have the right to your own opinion, and you were in fact neutral...if this IRONMAN X57 couldn't see that, then he must be a little slow...bubble for you, FABNMun

[SpenserTracy]

Oooh, meese lika gaimezzz. Oooh Halooo, oooh Killzoone oooh badi badi Ai. Oooh deemoo, meese not lika Halooo vs Killzoone....meese hata EGM... EGM stupidooo, oooh not lika egm....EGM ugli, yah ugli bada. Haloo bada grapicoo, Killzoone bada ai...oooh flameeee waari

[beavis4play]

your neutrality? you just said gears is capable of taking on KZ and it hasn't been released yet. by the way- gears story was non-existant and the gameplay was too linear. this led to every level in the game feeling disconnected. if also left a disconnect with the player controling Marcus fenix. no story, so no reason to care- just blast away till the end. there was also a very noticeable dropoff in the look of the game between cut-scenes and gameplay. finally, the final boss-fight was weak. reeeeeeeally weak. gears devs could learn a lot about how to craft a well-rounded game from insomniac. RFOM was excellent. i don't know about killzone as i haven't played it, but it's looking pretty good at this point.

[Z501]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!!!!

They must have'nt played Tenchu Z!

[sak500]

COD had better graphics than KZ2 so whats the big deal. And KZ2 enemies have the same AI level as of far cry. I remeber shootin an enemy in far cry who was standing next to another baddie, the guy falls next to him and he didn't even blink. Maybe sony knows its fonies would not be bothered cuz they would just pick it up and play cuz after all its sequel to killzone right?

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

...............

[slugg]

Metacritic.com. Look up Halo and Halo 2, then look up Killzone, and compare their scores. These are AVERAGE scores taken from dozens of professional game review sites and magazines. Halo and Halo 2 blow Killzone out of the water. When the original Killzone was being developed, it was referred to repeatedly at Sony's "Halo Killer," but actually turned out to be "Halo Fodder." So, sorry Shoe, you can't convince ANYONE that having those 2 games win opposite awards is some kind of accident-- the two franchises have been "at odds" since the beginning. So, based on past history, since the 2 Halo games already released received critical praise for their A.I., EGM has every right to SUPPOSE that Halo 3 will have better A.I. than Killzone 2-- and will probably be an overall better game-- perhaps, depending on your preference, not the best graphically, but gameplay-wise, Halo 3 is shaping up to be hard to beat. We will have to wait and see what Killzone 2 brings to the table; since Halo 3 comes out first, the bar will be set. Will Killzone 2 reach the bar set by a Halo game that the original Killzone fell so far short of? Only time will tell.

[THC CELL]

Halo vs Haze

Now that is a challenge

Peace i am out

[gtvpalm]

1UP's article is just an example of how desperate these people are. They are on the verge of shutting down and they are doing whatever they can to attract media attention, clicks and visits. They don't mind starting a flame war over nothing.

I think it is silly to compare games in development head-to-head. Games are at different stages of completion and they weren't official demos for previewers. Regardless of which one may turn out to be the best. It doesn't matter if they gave Sony "x" awards in other categories and MS got "y" thumbs-downs for other games. It is just bad journalism and poor professional ethics.

Probably that is the reason why 1up is about to be taken off-line.

[GRAMPAGAMER]

Kz2 will be much better... 25gigs of HD slaughterhouse gameplay..

EGM used to down the xbox every-which-way they could, untill certain key personel started getting hired by the Gates Money Machine.

I don't think EGM is biased one way or the other... they're just more apt not to care if they step on sonys toes anymore,.. definitely a good thing for journalism.

(but keep in mind, EGM does love to step on toes, remember the Peter Moore interview??)

[cmrbe]

I think its ok if you guys are just posting for fun but to get all hot and bothered and be offensive like calling names is just plain stupid. I bet you this guy is just sitting in his chair laughing his head off cause of all the publicity their comparison made at your expense. Guys its not worth it. Their explanation for the comparison makes sense a bit but i still think it is really wrong to compare a game that is in per alpha to one that is near gold. I don't think they are biased or anything like that but i believe they just did this for publicity and so far it is working. We should stop paying attention to these attention seeking articles and force these journalist to do a better job cause for what i am seeing they are getting worse this generation. Some i think actually have magical crystal balls for them to make some of their outrageous comments.

[Saint Sony]

Killzone2 = PS3 Killzone.

[xionpunk]

its probably blown a little out of proportion, but still that was a weak argument.It was just kind of weird to have a random award for Ai to take a shot at killzone especially when he says that it wasnt based on play time with halo 3 since very few of them had played the single player.doesnt really make sense.

[Da Ghostdog]

Wait until both games come out. Then decide. Agree?!

[Ahhhh]

.... that's all i gotta say bout this..

[ShiftyLookingCow]

haha.ha..ha....ha.. .. ..ho. . . . . . .ho. No pity for the brain cells here, all slaughtered like animals.

[Violater]

amazing AI
Run out to get run over
http://www.gamersyde.com/st...

Dumb AI blind firing behind cover

http://i12.tinypic.com/4uc3...

[End Sarcasm]

[Expy]

Do any EGM editors actually own a PS3? I noticed on Dan's profile that he only has an XBOX Live Tag.

[spike]

Halo 3 will be better than Killzone 2, no doubt about it. Killzone 2 looks better than Halo 3, but Killzone 1 sucked. Expect the same. Dont worry PS3 fans, Medal Gear Solid 4 will be huge, but thats about all.

[MANTIIS]

This issue doesn't even deserve attention, but its obvious that Shoe knew that he'd be starting a whole bunch of ruckus by publishing those stupid awards. Then when everyone's flaming and bashing because of it, he wants to come clean and explain that he's refering to the games in thier E3 state. Gimme a break, the dude should have put a header on the page (in the mag) explaining that. Its obvious that he wanted to stir up trouble. I remember when Shoe used to be a whole lot more objective, but everytime I read his prattle these days, he looks more and more like a MS fanboy. Regardless of this idiocy, Warzone 2 is indeed shaping up very nicely, and the graphics already blow Halo 3 away. There is no doubt in my mind that when it goes gold, it will be a top tier title.

[skylar2000]

Perhaps he should look into being in a show call the pick up artist and cry after he can't pick up any hot chicks.

[MANTIIS]

"HSU" is a Chinese name.