Games Radar: Lair and Heavenly Sword - what went wrong?

So the results are in. With two of PlayStation 3's biggest titles now being reviewed around the world, it has to be said they haven't been as impressive as their initial promise suggested. The scores are as low as 40 for Lair and 6/10 for Heavenly Sword. How could such massive releases be so disappointing?

Didn't someone look at Lair somewhere along the line and say "Er... this really isn't working"? And why does Heavenly Sword feel so disappointing despite its beauty? Games Radar takes a look at concensus opinion across the games review media and condense it into four main issues that can be learned from by all software houses.

[Violater]

The games have not even been released yet?
A bit premature isn't it?
I am still waiting to hear which other game pushes the boundaries like these games do.

All in all I agree with giving the option to turn off motion control and that HYPE is a bad thing.

[TriggerHappy]

I can swear Heavenly Sword has not even been announced as gone gold yet ? or am i missing something ?

[HowarthsNJ]

A certain segment of the gaming press are going to grade the PS3 games on a curve.

The real gamers will do the judging for themselves. Note the average gamers' score for LAIR is about 7.5 out of 10.

[TheSadTruth]

@ howard

that's because the "casual" population has not yet picked up a PS3 because it offers no "killer" titles at the moment, so the score is inflated because only diehard ps3 fans are scoring it

and also, reader averages are almost always higher

Now, maybe you guys should stop trying to put a positive spin on this and accept these two games for what they are

Lair sucks

and Heavenly Sword is pretty good

now move on with your lives instead of defending them like it even matters

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

and i only have 1 thingy to say about it

"No! I wanted you to turn around so you don't hit the mountain! Not pick up speed and crash into it!"

but ill give it a 7.5, its worth just being amazed at the detailed graphics and playing it. but the gameplay sucks, and AI is somewhat good.

[MK_Red]

The article is mentioning lowest score of each title (4 for Lair and 6 for HS) while their averages are 5.5 and 8.
Personally, I don't think anything is wrong with any of them.

[VirusE]

The games got hyped up to be AAA titles and going by the average of all the reviews that isn't the case. Lair was originally supposed to be Sony’s big game to take on bioshock in august but it got delayed and it’s average on metacritic is only 57%; dynasty warriors Gundam has a higher average. Heavenly sword is supposed to be going up against halo 3 as Sony’s big game in September and its average is only 80%. Sure 80% is still very good but a 90+% would be a AAA game and halo 3 has a bazillion pre-orders. Q4 has started and it isn’t looking good for Sony already. I for one am seriously disappointed. I have been playing Resistance for far too long and it looks like I am going to have to bank my hopes on drake and Haze.

[power of Green]

Yet Eternal Sonata's going to flop based off of one review before you say its not what you said we know what you meant. You and your buddies are hating one ES and even Mass Effect which hasn't even been reviewed. You and mercenary have many fooled.

[kewlkat007]

"HYPE" is like "KARMA", it can come back to bite you in the @ss.

Of course Sony have not had great games, we all know, and we have been hearing Fans , say wait, wait, wait, wait, and now look at what happens?

Of course some of these game shave not been played, but they have been by Professional GAMERS, that we listen to and read their mags a lot, so yeah you can take their words with a grain of Salt or maybe a grain of Rice. As long as it does not spoil it for ya.

Ok Lair, HS, and what's next on the starving Ps3 gamers HYPED list?

Uncharted?
Maybe UT3 and Haze, 2 more shooter type games?

I don't think the games are bad but it's looking like they are not what everybody intended them to be. Of course like "Lavar Burton" on Reading Rainbow used to say, "but you don't have to take my word for it" or the professional reviewers.

Go buy the game, and since everyone have been waiting for so long for Ps3 games, I reckon these games will be enjoyed, as long as your not "waiting"..to get in a Room to also enjoy Warhawk.

The moral of Sony and it's 2007 have been "You just wait, they are coming"

[sticky doja]

Agreed, and I will wait with $600.00 in my pocket, not collecting dust on my entertainment center.

[ash_divine]

they are professional "JOURNALIST" not "GAMERS" something you should keep in mind when reading reviews.

[reaferfore20]

They fixed the Warhawk server problems man. You can get on first try now... well at least I can. I haven't played Lair yet but Game Informer gave it a 7.5 (or somewhere around there) and that is the only magazine I trust these days. The only reason they gave it such a low score is because of the controls. I would have bought it already but it's freaking sold out at every store I went to and Gamefly hasn't sent me crap. I have Bioshock and Lair at my number 1 and 2. Probably won't be getting anything for a while :(

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Heavenly Sword is averaging close to an 8.5 grade, how is that bad? And what about Warhawk? It's even better than people expected.

Why isn't Heavenly Sword a 9.5? I hear it's lacking gameplay but rich on the visuals.

[Violater]

There was not a lot of hype surrounding it before the beta, Then after the beta the greatness was undeniable.
So yea hype is a very bad thing, most of the time fan generated.

[Munky]

It's been averaging 80% (metacritic.com).

Edit: Since when is gamerankings the last word on game averages? my statement is just as true as yours, I just got my info from another site (thats where I usually go). But in the end it doesn't change the fact that it is not averaging 85 as you said, its a better then average game.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

83.2% Gamerankings.com

Edit: Well it's not the 80.0 you stated either.

[Munky]

In the end not 85 like you originally stated.

[Munky]

I think what they are trying to say is that they both do not live up to the hype, both games have been games to watch for for PS3 owners since E3 05', and this is the best they can do? Now i'm not a expert on making games, but both these games have been in development for much longer then your typical game so the game(in theory) should be that much better then any other games out there, but their not. Solid games yes, but nothing that will blow your mind.

[MarioFromTexas]

What is consider AAA status...Is Zelda AAA status even though it only sold 1 million copies. Is bioshock AAA status but won't even sell 1 million copies.

You stupid xbots go buy reveiws sony goes by how many copies each game is going to sell... Come back next month when the numbers are in and if these 2 titles don't sell over a 1million copies each then you can talk all you want. But to say they are flops is stupid and idiotic like buying a console when you know you have 1/3 chance of breaking down. Would you idiots buy a car if they told you it has 1/3 of a chance of breaking down...Only stupid xbots would...Wait for the numbers and let's see who's laughing then azzzwhipes

[Munky]

Like it or not reviews count for something. You cant disregard the the opinions of ppl who review games for a living, thats what they do, they know what they are talking about.

Why is it so hard to believe that a games is not as good as it was made out to be, it happens. Look at Blue Dragon, look at Crackdown and Saint Row, it happens. Stop crying.

[Darrius Cole]

Actually 83.2 rounds off to 85, not to 80.

[Keyser]

AAA is a corporate term about how many copies of a game got sold not about what reviews it got.

If a game sells a lot people obviously like it like Halo. Sales determine it's AAA status.

Google it if you don't believe.

I'm not saying you shouldn't buy a 360 if you want to, I'm commenting on how guys use the term AAA incorrectly.

[ash_divine]

the term triple a is taken so far out of context that it's sad. Triple AAA means an item was extremely sucess not that it got perfect scores.

[chasegamez]

ps3 rules

[Bill Gates]

Warhawk - Plays different, but well
HS - Averaging good so far, and WILL be a big hit for Sony.
XBOTS - Still jealous of the PS3 and its capabilities...AHAHHAHAHA
360 - Still blowing up left and right...AAAHAHAHHHA

[codeazrael]

Because I don't see the ps3 being capable of selling many consoles or games, however few this holiday season compared to Microsoft and Nintendo.

[toughNAME]

well these were supposed to go up against Halo 3

they cant even catch up to Bioshock

8 - 8.5 average for HS...dont think anything is WRONG with that

they may both be good games, but in comparison...no compitition

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Reviews don't mean everything. But PS3 has Warhawk, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet & Clank future all during those months that Halo 3 is coming out. While I don't think anything could stop the interest in Halo 3.

You can't forget in November, Haze and Unreal III those are more the shooter online type to challenge Halo 3.

[Kratos12]

They are not going against Halo. Halo is a proven franchise and it will obviously have more hype than HS. What if FF or GT were released with Halo? They are all proven franchises and will do good.

Look at Bioshock. AAA title but the sales do not do justice to it.

[MoonDust]

Hey, but there is nothing wrong with getting low scores. Right?

[Taker_129]

There is no game like Lair on the market right now and no matter what the reviews say, this game is great.

[MoonDust]

POS :D

[sticky doja]

LOL

[Keyser]

You're right. Lair is a great game. It's actually a lot of fun. That may help it sell more than a lot of games that have received better reviews. Wouldn't that be something...

[djt23]

all i have to say fanboy

[reaferfore20]

Have you played Lair Moondust? If you have I could understand you calling it a POS. If not then shut up, please.

[felidae]

Lair and Heavenly Sword will rule!

[codeazrael]

rule out me buying a ps3.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

It doesn't mean it's gonna sell as good as Halo 3. It's not all about reviews.

[VirusE]

True but halo 3 has sold more in pre orders than any ps3 has sold on the shelves. Halo 3 love it or hate it is an unstopable beast and will be the top seller this year.

[GnaM]

Yeah but as a gamer, sales don't matter, unless you're a fanboy who wants to see your system outsell the other. From a "real" gamer's standpoint, the games reviewed poorly, people who played the demos confirm complaints about the reviews, and even if you go the positive route and consider Lair a 7.5 and HS an 8.5, that's not the 9 or 10 they were promised to be...so why would lay down money for these games unless you're just plain bored and desperate?

[reaferfore20]

Reviews don't determine whether or not you like playing a game. A lot of people like playing Lair despite the bad reviews. Same with Warhawk's (I'm addicted to that game) reviews. I've played more Warhawk than any other game lately, and I have all three systems at my disposal. Metriod Prime is great too, and of course that game got great scores. But I've still been playing Warhawk more. I've yet to play Bioshock though, that will probably cut into my Warhawking very soon.

[Takumi86]

nothing went wrong

its M's money Talk Again

[tonsoffun]

Let the sales figures do the talking.

[Baba1906]

HS = more or less 80% so nothuing wrong there.

[ktchong]

Sony (i.e., the publisher) pushes the developers to release the games early even as the games require more playtesting, tweaking and fine-tuning. PS3 desperately needs some strong exclusives ASAP to help sell the console, and Lair and Heavenly Sword become the first two casualties.

[sajj316]

millions ... so what went wrong again? critical success, no. financial success, yes.

Anyway, I am looking to pick up all three. For those that have requested buddy invites for Warhawk, sorry as I don't have time to buy or play the game just yet. Soon ...

[VirusE]

They will sell millions over the course of a year (well i am not so sure about lair the review are real bad) or so but neither will break 500,000 in the first month.

[MarioFromTexas]

If 360 can sell 10 million with terrible hardware why can a game rank at 8.5 not sell over 1 million. There is no games on 360 like lair or heavenly sword to compare to. So to talk about sell is stupid. What is Halo3 going to do what Halo1 and halo2 couldn't do last gen..Nothing it will only sell to the xbots and sony will sell consoles to PS fans. Halo console seller to xbots, PS console seller to the other 70 percent of the market. Read the numbers PS2 is still outselling the 360, when is the 360 going to start winning.....NEVER

[VirusE]

Mario I am not saying it is impossible but I am just going with my gut. I am a ps3 owner and HS is a hard sell for me since the game is so short. I know other PS3 owners that feel the same way. With an 80% average it is a good game for sure but if you can beat it in less than 10 hours and it has over 3 hours of cinemas you will be seeing tons of used copies which will hinder it’s over all sales. As for halo 3 I think you are the one who needs to do some reading. It’s funny to me how people who only own sony systems have such hate for halo, yet all the multi system owners seem to love it. As for it not doing anything new, what about forge, the replays, 4 player co-op and considering that ever fps that has come out for consoles since halo has copied from halo I don’t see why it needs to be a completely different game to begin with. What will mgs4 do that mgs 1, 2 and 3 will not; from where I am sitting I don’t want them to change the MGS formula to much and it’s the same thing with halo 3. ALL sequels suffer from this and to call halo out on it is just goofy.

[iceice123]

They both were overhyped by Sony to be AAA titles yet both fail to deliver. Really want to know what happend.

[sajj316]

Icewake ... probably burns you inside that these two games are still going to sell millions worldwide. I wasn't sold on Lair until it was confirmed that I could play the game using a standard USB controller or even via Remote Play. I was already sold on Heavenly Sword with the demo.

[MarioFromTexas]

Lair just started selling today and heavenly sword is not out yet..How can a game be a flop when it's not even out yet. Use your brain for once. Numbers talk and until they comein for you to say a game is a flop is like me saying Gaylo3 is a flop. Ok gaylo3 is a flop...i know you started pissing on yourself when i said that....Do you see how stupid you xbots are calling a game a flop when it's not even out for sale...Wait til the sell numbers come in and that would make you xbots look smarter....NOT

[trane07]

Its been getting solid 8 and 9 scores. Way more so than 7's. And its lowest score was the only 6 mentioned and in the article they clip quotes only from ign, and edge.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

You were hyping it to be 10/10. That's the only thing that went wrong.

There's a a lot of sucessful games that average those scores, it's also about the appeal of the concept not just how tight they think the gameplay is.

[Baba1906]

sony never said it would be a AAA game =D i think fans did that. I still love HS. the demo was so awsome.

[blackmagic]

Lair and Heavenly Sword have been a part of every Keynote Sony has given since E3 2005. How much more endorsement do you need than that?

And at 80% average, Heavenly Sword certainly isn't a bad game (though perhaps didn't reach it's own bar) but at 57% Average Lair is one of the worst games on PS3.

[reaferfore20]

Sonic is the worst game on PS3. I played that game for 5 minutes and took it back to Blockbuster.. and once again: JUST BECAUSE A GAME GETS BAD REVIEWS FROM SOME MAGS/WEBSITES DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A CRAPPY GAME. Most of the people that have actually played Lair say it's a fun game. The only problem is the controls. That's the only problem I've heard from people. Until I get this game and play it for myself I'm not even going to say whether or not it's a good or bad game. You know why? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T PLAYED IT!

[IRONMAN_357X]

no since, lair gets 6.5-7.5, highest it got was nine
WHY LOW SCORES, sixaxis, simple they suck and they admitted and was PROVEN
These games are superb, this game aint even out yet and its GOLD????? THAT SUCKS??????

[DJ]

Heavenly Sword. The game hasn't even gone Gold yet. The game's gotten 8's and 9's, which shows that it's a great title. Apparently Lair ended up being a "Love It or Hate It" title, depending on how well people controller the rider.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Combat and Controls ain't broken.

Its you not knowing how to play retard.

[Darkiewonder]

Graphics is everything and learn that it's more [haha. i know. i'm a hyprocrite for saying this]

[collinwshaw]

I bought a copy of Lair night because I really needed a new game. And your retarded if you can't figure out the controls, they are easy, sure it takes some getting used to, but man is it a fun game. And the aiming with the sixaxis is incredibly good. And the 180's work everytime. I really don't know what they are complaining about.

[khellendros1]

The only ones complaining are the reviewers and the people who haven't played the games. Every person that I've read who has played Lair has love it, and the article fails to mention the reviewers who said they liked the game. I think that most reviewers who hated the game hated it because Factor 5 didn't give the option to switch the controls to analog (big a$$ cry babies). I still say to try the damn game yourself.

[Xwow]

are afraid of these games.
you see warhawk,LAIR,HS are great games and they are coming one after another in a short time that whould really hurt the x360 sales.
in the end it,s MS 3,2 billion viral marketing.
(note warhawk,lair,HS are not perfect but definitely a great games)

[reaferfore20]

They won't hurt the 360 sales; not with Halo coming out as soon as it is. People just need something to talk smack about. Nothing more. It amazes me how good the ignore button works on this site :D

[Xi]

I guess a lot of people were expecting more out of these games. That they're the AAA titles that were going to make the ps3 worth buying but in the end they didn't really deliver. They're good just not as good as expected. And until that game comes, that gears of war, or that wii-sport arrives for the ps3 people will be disappointed.

Anyways, warhawk is far more deserving of the title of AAA, or it would be if it had singleplayer.

[strongbad1441]

i don't know why they're complaining about HS. my friend played the demo and loved it, and most of the people who posted their impressions on here thought it was beautiful AND fun.

[crunchie101]

..to learn from Lair and Heavenly Swords mistakes, and from Warhawk's success. Oh, and let us drive more vehicles than a jet-ski for christ's sake.

Oh, and more enemies than that one bandana'd pirate. It should be clear now, Naughty Dog, people like different enemies.

Still if they can refine the shooting even more (which, according to all the game news site seems to get better with each build), then it should be grand.

[kurruptor]

What a crapload of complaints...

- Complained about six-axis being hard to use in HS. Don't use them then?
- Complained about six-axis being hard to use in Lair. I watched that video of a guy playing, seemed pretty straight-forward. Also, I've read plenty of reviews who said the controls were easy. So, these guys are probably just stupid. I'm sure they were swinging their arms around everywhere, which is why it didn't work.
- Complained about fighting lots of people in HS. Did they complain about this in God of War? That is what half of the game is. Do they knock games like Dynasty Warriors for this? No, they don't. This game is capable of putting more enemies on the screen at a time, and somehow they take points of for that... stupid. It is a f'n action game and they complain about having to fight... ignorant.
- Games rushed? Not innovative? I'm sorry what was so innovating about God of War 2? Nothing, it was pretty much the same as 1. How about Halo 2, 3? Same damn thing over and over. No innovation, yet it gets near perfect scores. A game doesn't need to be innovative to be a great game.
- Hype? What exactly does this have to do with a score? Just because a game has a lot of hype, do you knock off more points than normal if it isn't the greatest game ever? If Lair came out and no one ever heard of it, would it have got better scores? No, it shouldn't have.

[Xi]

in fact I think that lair would do worse but because it did have so much hype many people rated it higher because of it.

[THE_JUDGE]

I like the looks of Lair and have yet to pick it up but I'm planning on it and HS isn't even out yet. I plan on getting that one also. Money talks not reviews and I'm putting mine where my mouth is. Screw your review!

[FIGHTFAN]

I Think the point of these games was to sell PS3s. To convince the millions of PS2 owners that it's time to buy that PS3. If you already own a PS3 then go ahead and enjoy these games, there's nothing else to play. But as a fan of gaming, I'm still waiting for a reason to buy a PS3!

[tk]

Lesson to be learned - ignore the reviewers when the "bad scores" gets hyped.

The reviews on Warhawk was bad also... and look how that is turning out... it became a rebuke to the "reviewers".

What went wrong is that someone thought that having a reviewer that reviewed for two sites - giving Lair bad scores - will have a huge influence. When this is all said and done, the reviewers are the ones who lost credibility.... simple as that.The bias against the PS3 has become so transparent that the agenda is beginning to fail as we see with Warhawk. Bad reviews started - and the game took off to such a flying start... same will be true for LAIR and HS. I will get both. Stuff the review sites. They don't influence my purchasing anymore. They overplayed their hand.

[Ju]

The only thing what went wrong for Lair, is/was, that Warhawk came out last week, too. So, if the weekend didn't belong to Lair, it was because of Warhawk. Heck, yes, Lair is supposed to be out today! They started selling it on Friday. Guess someone wanted it last week, no ?
And HS ? Hey, that game isn't out for the next 1 or two weeks! Give me a break! Let the numbers speak.
Where is the "Warhawk surprised its biggest critics" report ? Hah ? Where is it ?

[Master of Menace]

I loved it in Motorstorm. Some just don't realise how sensitive the Sixaxis is. They start waving their arms in the air and then give up when they lose control. It takes time to get used to it, but when you do it feels natural and intuitive. Think of leaning to your side to turn a corner, natural. I'm still getting Lair and Heavenly Sword, because I enjoy Sixaxis. And a rating is just someone else's opinion.

[Baba1906]

well i dont know about that. =D there is enough things worth playing to buy a PS3 . but its up to everyone to find out for himself. i had some great times. palying resistance, motorstorm and now warhawk. i wouldnt wanna miss HS =D. a exciting 7 hours movie with action and interaction. =D love it

[BLACKJACK VII]

Lair and Heavenly Sword - what went wrong?

The Ps3.

[Taker_129]

are so funny, lol!

[InLus]

What went wrong was when Crapsoft came into the gaming picture and is trying to give you good games, never mind good FPS's that it. Well I'll stick by my PlayStation and SONY for my gaming experience because they seem to be heading in the right direction technology wise, also hey I get all genres of games and not just FPS's.

[SKullDugger]

Is it just me or is history repeating itself SONY said Motor storm was gonna rock and then LAIR and Heavenly Sword they are all just average games at best. I'll let the sales figures for these titles speak, but I know this much I'm sure glad I don't own a PS3 it was just one month ago that all the SONY FANBOYS were yelling wait until LAIR and HS come out than will kick the 360's butt. WHAT HAPPENED? Wait I hear it now wait until MGS 4. OK I'll wait.

[Master of Menace]

Motorstorm did rock and to date has sold over 1 million copies! So what was your point? Keep believing every piece of negative news about these games, you can't play them anyway. I would rather play Lair and HS than ANOTHER FPS(Halo 3) anytime. They are far more innovative. And yes, history will repeat itself, they will sell a crap load of PS3's.

[Taker_129]

If you played Lair then you would know that it is a great game, short but great. Secondly HS, Lair, and Motorstorm look better then anything on the 360 to date, and the 360 has been out for almost two years now. And thirdly when MGS4 and FF13 come out ps3 will be on top again and that's the truth, DEAL WITH IT.

[sheng long]

blind fanboys FTL!
patriot, whoever told you motorstorm doesn't rock? fact remains there's nothing like it for 360, and DIRT doesn't even look nearly as good nor is it as fun.

I wonder if gamesradar will also do a:
What went wrong with blue dragon, eternal sonata and two worlds?
games that microsoft was hyping and look what happened? guess we're back to playing Shooters on the 360.

[Barreldragon00]

Hour of Victory in every magazine I looked in before it came out I saw adds for it at least 4 times and now that will probably get worst game of the year. Same goes for Vampire Rain.

[SKullDugger]

You SONY BOYS are really insecure I've played MOTOR STORM it was OK but not great pretty boring after 3 or 4 races I've played RB6 on PS3 and 360 both the 360 version rocks U FANBOYS said that LAIR and HS were gonna ROCK why R U so defensive does the truth HURT!!!!! If these were 360 reviews SONY BOYS would be saying how crappy these games were not that reviews don't matter U would say look a crappy game for the 360!!! its goes both ways not just one.

[gamermoney1985]

look the way things are goiing it looks like the ps3 is truly the oringal xbox of this generation. meaning that it has all these games
that are only graphics. and look its even starting with the same pattern it biggest game so far a fps,xbox biggest game at release a fps, its biggest game threw the rest of 2007 and 2008 shooters mgs4 haze, drake, urt3 see a trend here. and one more thing every body keep saying that sony has the best 2008 exsclusive lineup when microsoft i think 27 games that they are puplshing themselves. and know haven't seen or heard what half of these gamese are. wait til u see microsoft full list for 2008 to make that judjement, but like i said i can promise u that microsoft that can go headed with killzone 2. but ithink its 2009 release but in iterm of graphics and gameplay its up their with it and in my opion this game will be the true halo killer.
i say this because this game will even appeal to the jap gamers.

[Ju]

What ? Halo 4, or what ? What else are you guys excited about ? Well, another Halo game by next year or what's next ? (Oh, forgot, Madden 09).

[InLus]

Bioshock? Halo3? Gears of war? these games got big scores or will right? of course! Why because they are shooters thats why! LAIR, Heavenly Sword are getting bad reviews or seems like they will, why? Because they are actually original games that are trying to give something new to the gaming community. Doesn't it seem FPS's is all the crapbox offers, with the same damn gameplay and same damn feel and look to the game? So what if LAIR and Heavenly Sword actually used the sixaxis for what it was made for, is that necessarily a bad thing? NO! its not, but yet again everyone has to hate on them because they don't want to try anything new and innovative and God forbid that you might have to take sometime with game to get good at the damn thing right?, they would just like to get to the same damn control scheme and gameplay and look and feel. I swear people some of you just need to quit gaming, because if you can't handle it then well your going to be missing out on alot of what the future of gaming is going to be like. So Crapbots go and play your out of date, red ring of death 360 that only gives you FPS's that always feel the same just better graphics and tries to give you different genres but seems to fail. (I've also played both GOW and bioshock and I wasn't impressed at all!, why because it seems like I've played them before because lack of innovation and extended gameplay)

[Taker_129]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Despite the fact your post title looks fanboy rant it isn't. You speak correctly. I played Gears, Bioshock and old Halos (Didn't play Halo 3 wasn't in Beta) and they are just medicore shooters in my book. Bioshock adds a little new breath but thats it.

Then again in PS3. Motorstorm included sixaxis motion sensor turning. This was a fresh breath for racing games its so fun even when friends come around they want to play with sixaxis motion not analgoue.

Heavenly Sword; Combat system feels very new and is fun. No more holding block button all the time like Ninja Gaiden. This time you need to time stances and attacks. Also moving the sixaxis makes you access more moves and even counters (Counter fall)

Hell even Resistance feels Innovtive. A 194x game w/o WII! Alternate history. How many times We played WII games or Current Age/Future Alien shooter or Modern Warfare etc.

[Wolfmoonstrike]

I've Played Lair and its not average its incredibly fun and last time i checked that all that mattered in a game not some review score.

btw to all those saying these games suck and have not played them need to STFU because they are not gamers they are fanboys and last time i checked this was N4g-news for gamers not N4F-news for Fanboys

[jlytle1234]

well sony didnt lie. Motorstorm does rock and the demo for heavenly sword was great and im sure lair is fun. For some reason you think a review score makes a game what it is. Those scores are the opinions of a few people. you can go to gamerankings or metacritic and all thats going to tell you is what 20 or so people thought about the game. a review score was given by a person. one person. and they may or may not suck at sixaxis. they may hate sony. they may just not like the game or rushed through it. who knows. who cares. 360 fans think they won something because reviews for lair are mid ranged. heavenly sword has great reviews. so there isnt anything wrong with it. And the best part of it all is sony fans arent dissappointed with either game. so i guess the review scores dont tell you everything. and the sixaxis controls are a great thing. its the future of gaming. get used to it. its just like when the dual analog came into play. people didnt use it at first, but now its the only way to go. sixaxis will open up new possibilities in game play.

[InLus]

Yes I total agree reviews don't mean sh*t, because they are one guys feelings and thoughts. But when a really good game like LAIR gets scores of 4.5, 5 out of 10, I think theres something wrong because even if they didn't like the control scheme you still have the aspect of graphics and storyline. If I'm wrong, isn't Graphics, Storyline, and gameplay all aspects of a game? Well then LAIR should of gotten a 7 and up atleast!

[Barreldragon00]

The lowest score I saw on warhawk was a 6.5 so if they’re looking for the lowest scores it should be up there too!!!!!!!

Nothing is wrong with Heavenly Sword the only complaint I’ve seen was that it was too short and it shouldn’t be as short as people say if your on hard or hell mode. Still a day one purchase for me

Lair is weird the reviewers didn’t like it but everybody that I talked to who has it loves it so its a mixed bag you either love it or you hate it. I try renting it.

[PimpHandHappy]

When i read there game reviews i never feel like im reading something from a guy that is taking the game personal or even holding these games up to the PS3 and saying these are what this sytem can do. Them and gamespot both understand these are just the first games after RFOM and motorstrom to try and show what the PS3 is capiable of.

Game Informer gave HS a 8.75 and a 9 so that game is a buy for me. I didnt see what they gave Lair or Warhawk but i can guess what they will say about Warhawk.

peace

[Barreldragon00]

Gameinformer gave Lair a 7.5 and a 8.
I dont think they reviewed Warhawk yet.

[MarioFromTexas]

Sh1tty graphics, sh1tty azz A.I...........I guess since xbots want to talk about PS3 games that are not even out yet, I guess we can start calling Halo3 a flop..4 years in development and is one of the ugliest FPS coming out this year.....I guess it's a flop, by xbots standards who cares if the game is not out yet, it's not on PS3 so it's a flop..every game on 360 is a flop, why? cause it's not on PS3....see xbots that's how you sound when you come to a PS3 article trolling. I sold my 360, there for I could care less what games are coming out to 360 so why would I go troll in a 360 article. No 360 no interest...NO PS3 stay the phuck out of the PS3 articles.

[Master of Menace]

That's just one persons opinion. Look at the user reviews, all 8's, 9's and some 10's. Don't judge a game on one persons opinion, look at everyone's. And most people say it's good, so go get it. OK.

[Hugh Hefner]

You forgot all the other websites/mags that didn't give Lair a favorable score... and there were many. Guess what, I rather trust the majority of gaming mags when it comes to reviews than to trust Sony fanboys' "review" of a beloved Sony exclusive.

Oh, and about your other comment, if you expect these games to sell "craploads" of PS3s as you previously stated you are in for a dissapointment.

[Taker_129]

It's not just ign but if you look at all the other gaming sites the reader review are mostly all like Lair. If you dont believe me go to ign, gamespot, gamespy, gameradar, gameinformer, gamestop, etc. and you will see that people that have bought and play Lair are mostly pleased and they should be because Lair is a great game.

[InLus]

So you wouldn't rather actually here it from gamers thats been playing it for hours on end? I thought it was what the gaming community thought not one guy in a magazine or a website? Man if thats how you feel about rating your games then your going to miss out on alot of good games coming out.

[Vulcan Raven]

I bought lair last night, and it is an awesome game. It is cool to grab a rhino by the head and whip it out into the ocean. It is a very linear game but that is ok, i love games like that as i also bought ninja gaiden sigma. Personally it is the coolest game i have played to date. This is just my opinion.

[demolitionX]

sony wants to take gaming to another level folks! and who doesn't appreciate that is a complete moran. HS took most of the time for details and graphics, which may "i say may" hurt another parts of the game as length or story or .. or .. whatever!!! it's a tradeoff, u have time limit, and everybosy was pushing sony for games. 2008 will be sony's year no questions, and HS 2 will be a masterpiece, will score 10/10, MARK my words, cause all cons are fixable.

[celticlonewolf]

I think the reason why these games had just a medium score instead of the stella one that it was preditcted at the start is simply because they were both over hyped. I remember the articles about these games all hyping about the size and how they cant be done on any other system and the sheer power that was needed to run these games(now Im not here to start a argument about these claims just stay with me here). When the games were finaly realesed(the final game for reveiws not public sale) how could they possibly live up to the hype what made them so special to back up these claims. I have thought for a while that dev should keep comments about games like cant be done, sheer power needed, cant handle ai all that crap to themselfs and just let the game speak for itself that way your not shooting yourself in the foot when its realesed. Haveing siad all that I think sony needed to hype a couple of there games I just think they over did it and aproached it a little wrong. Anyway after playing HS demo loads of time I will be getting this game I really loved it thought the graphics were great and the game play really fun. Lair both me and my son(mostly my son though lol) want to give this game a shot so it will be on the christmas list to. Good gaming everyone.

[gEnKiE]

hmmmm.....didn't know heavenly sword was that bad...

[Master of Menace]

You obviously don't own a PS3, so why would you listen to Sony fanboy reviews. The whole reason you are on this thread at all is to convince yourself there crap games, good luck. They will sell craploads, and anyway why should you care?

[Hugh Hefner]

Dude.. I own a PS3... my PSNID is Rubenov25, add me if you like. I never said they are crap games, just not what was expected of them. Heavenly Sword is fun, but it won't last me for more than 2 days. Lair... well... I don't like the motion control thingy, so I side with the magazine/website reviewwers this time and I'll pass on the title. Maybe I'll rent it later down the road.

P.S. I think you are a bigger joke than me.

[Master of Menace]

So you own a PS3! And what you're going to pass up these great great games. I don't think so. And how many games actually last more than 2 days, not many. That's a poor excuse.

[Hugh Hefner]

Games that last for more than 2 days: Warhawk. This is the only PS3 title I will buy for now.

Hopefully when I get it, the servers are not down for maintenance and it doesn't take too long to get into a game.

[BlackIceJoe]

I just hope that out of this not so good news for Sony and the PS3 people start thinking the PS3 sucks. I just got Warhawk and may be it is only multiplayer but it still is a fun game. So there are nice games out for the system.

But to me at least I want to see less game with the motion control added to the games. I think some games having it added makes the games more fun but not every one. As of right now I think the best games with motion control are for the PSN games and those are really fun. So I want to see if the sixaxis part is added it is added to make the game better then just added because it can be added.

So may be there has been some not so good news but I still think there is some good games that will be coming out soon. So I still have hope that games like Uncharted: Drake's Fortune will turn out to be really great. But I will say even though I for one like the PS3 if the PS3 does not start getting some really great games I could see some people not wanting to get the PS3. So then Sony will be in trouble. So I hope Sony can get there act together and really bring out some awesome games.

[Groo]

"There are some who derive a kind of perverse superiority from their mastery of the game's ambiguous mechanics. For my part, I don't give a good Goddamn if someone has trained themselves to eat sh!t and like it. The game is not challenging, it's difficult to play, and it's taken many years but I'm ready to begin making this distinction." - Penny-Arcade on Lair... Shouldn't say a game kicks azz till you've played the final version. I like how this guy put it best.

[N4GayFanturds]

Killzone 2 & Home are going to ROCK!!!

[Ju]

I'd really like to ask. Does anyone recall that the many user reviews responded to web magazine reviews in that amount as it is the case for example with Lair (just look at the IGN site) ? How comes, that so many who bought the game(s) have such a different opinion ?
The interesting thing is, people just could have flamed (and maybe we do in a forum), but the customer reviews show a complete different picture. I think that's the appropriate response to the critics, don't you think ?

[Jdoki]

I'm usually a gamer who uses reviews to get a general feel for a game rather than being swayed by the difference between 80% or 90%... For example, having completed BioShock I can say it is an excellent experience and the reviews were right that is is a quality product; but the actual scores were hugely over the top (I'd give it 89 or 90%).

However I'm currently looking for a reason to buy a PS3 right now, so reviews become a bit more important. And both Lair and Heavenly Sword were games that fan hype, and Sony hype led me (and other non-biased gamers) to believe could well be system sellers.

But unfortunately, despite the amount of positive praise I see in these comments from Lair owners, I have to be sceptical... On one hand we have (supposedly) unbiased journalists who are paid to review games, and on the other we have PS3 owners who a) can often be rather overzealous in their PS3 praise, or b) may need to justify their $600 purchase.

So for me, IF Heavenly Sword AND Lair had come out with unanimously positive reviews from ALL mags/sites and PS3 owners, then it would have tipped the balance and right now I'd be a happy PS3 owner.

As it is, I'm still waiting, and it now feels like I've been waiting a long time. So it's simple for me to say what went wrong with these games... they didn't convince me to buy the console.

[Ju]

Even if its true what you are saying (and I understand you skepticism), do you hear any of the PS3 owner here complain or regret their purchase ? Sure, I believe there are some, but I am pretty sure, the main intend is not to justify the "loss" of $499 or $599 but simply because they enjoy their system.

@Violator: Sure, so do I. And there is no denying that there wasn't out a lot until now (I even think the August was pretty bad, because of the E3 hype - and then a complete drought thru the whole month - except Graw2), but all of a sudden you don't know, which game to play first, isn't that right ? But anyhow, it did never reach the point where I had the feeling I had to sell my PS3 - or regretted to have bought it. I just get the feeling, since all of a sudden the games are coming, the negative press is increasing. But maybe that's just a feeling.

[Violater]

Man for me the few months before E3 were tough as an early adopter.
But now the games are trickling out and I am feeling much better about my decision.

[Wolfmoonstrike]

Yah I get what you are saying but wouldnt you rather hear reviews from regular gamers that have fun playing a game than somebody who gets paid to play and review them? I mean its true everybody is a bit biased in one way or another. but if you see from the majority of those who have played these games enjoyed them so isn't that reason enough to try them?
in short every review is an opinion and everybody is biased in some way

[jlytle1234]

withdraw post
edit:i dont know how this post got here.

[Jdoki]

I hear what you guys are saying, maybe I've been burnt too many times being an early adopter!!

There will come a tipping point where there's too many compelling reasons to buy a PS3. I can see it's a console that's in it for the long haul and will eventually prove amazing value for money, even for those who jumped in early.

If Sony holds good it's 10 year life cycle claim then the purchase cost of the PS3 spread over that time period isn't far off 10 years of Xbox Live subscriptions!

I'm pinning my hopes on Naughty Dog, Insomniac and Sucker Punch to be honest!!

[ApocalypseShadow]

"they suck."

"what went wrong?"

heavenly sword will be bought.lair will be bought.warhawk will be bought.

motorstorm sold over 1 million.
resistance sold over 2 million.
heavenly sord will sell over a million.
uncharted will sell over a million.
ratchet will sell over a million.
killzone will sell over a million.
gt5:p will be downloaded over a million times.or bought 1 million times.

and that's just some ps3 sony only titles.

ffxiii will sell over a million
metal gear will sell over a million.

i could keep going................

the fear of sony "threepeating" the 100 million system sales is growing day by day.

ps3-the slow cooked meal that tastes great to anyone who eats it.

i heard through remote play you will be able to play bioshock on zune.is that true?

.........................mag lev super train...................

[segasage]

"heavenly sord will sell over a million.
uncharted will sell over a million.
ratchet will sell over a million.
killzone will sell over a million.
gt5:p will be downloaded over a million times.or bought 1 million times.
"

While your at it, can you give me the SCOOP on some LOTTERY NUMBERS? Mr. CLEO..

"motorstorm sold over 1 million.
resistance sold over 2 million. "

AMazingly, the only things you did get right, is those you posed and actually did happen, then again them games sold because gamers were in need of anything to buy. JUST ANYTHING. With the PS3's Market saturated with games those numbers would/will be, be spread out.

Them Magnets are really messing with your head...talk about "Fast Food Fanboy Numbers/predictions of yours"

[SKullDugger]

Its nice and safe in your dream world huh? look everything for the PS3 has been over hyped, the system what it can do and so far all the GAMES it just seems like a oneway street with SONY FANS there system and its games are the best at everything thats not true of any system be it SONY,MS or NINTENDO bad games are bad games and games that are over hyped sometimes suffer more then others the PS3 is still in need of a killer game and LAIR and HS are not it, its freedom of choice but SOME SONY FAN BOYS really enjoy bashing the 360 and its games.

[Violater]

Crappy scores do not stop casual gamers from buying games, it's all about the marketing.
KZ1 was supposedly a "crappy" game hyped to be an AAA title which it really wasn't but still went on to sell over a million copies.
I've been in EB games and Gamestop and people are pre-ordering LAIR and Heavenly Sword.
So you "well wishers" will be unpleasantly surprised when all is said and done.

[sleekblackroadster]

high number of sales doesn't mean anything as far as aaa titles. reviews are the only thing to use to judge how good a game is. more sales doesn't equal a better game it equals more dumb (or lets say less demanding) consumers.

and to the people saying 'why are you so hard on games being rated 5/10-8/10 instead of 9/10?' its because for years and years and years we have been using the method of reviews to judge how well games come together as complete experiences and for years and years and years devs have come out with special games that get the aaa nod with 9/10 and higher scores. the fact that hs only gets 8/10 when its closest relative, god of war, got 9/10 scores means that as an overall experience in conjuction with the hardware power and overall standards at the time they have brought a game to market that is not as well made as the games from the previous generation were at their prime.

bottom line is these games have no claim to the aaa designation and sony badly needs SOME GAMES that do.. whether they were sequals or inspired by last gen games or genres or something entirely different or new they need some aaa games to make the gamers who only care about the most well-made gaming experiences out there shell out their $$$ for these shiny new boxes.

[GnaM]

I feel this is a very poignant article with reference to both games, and really on the whole industry. It's not just about beating the dead horse that these games scored disappointingly, it's about WHY they scored the way they did and WHY it was disappointing. After all, if HS had been completely unknown before it came out, people would be pleasantly surprised to see a new 8.0 or 8.5 game come onto their system...but when you take on all this hype and these promises, then rush things out to meet market deadlines, and focus development in that time more on visuals before gameplay, the pretty picture breaks down and you wind up with just an average game (whether you consider average as good or bad).

[Kaneda]

I want to try the demo before I buy.. just becoz of the reviews (some goods and bads).. So I am waiting for PSN to release the demo and decide it for myself before I buy it.

About HS 6/10...I thought it got a lot of good reviews?

[jlytle1234]

im ready to vomit the next time someone types AAA. you cant even define AAA because you cant make a game that will appeal to every single person. Review scores dont make a game AAA and sales dont make games AAA. Ive played some highly rated games that i hated and if sales determined whats good then pokemon games are the greatest games ever made. Heres what makes a game AAA. you have to play it. thats its. You play it and decide if its your AAA game. but guess what...someone else might hate that game. but thats ok...i think you can enjoy it despite their feelings. and i own a ps3 and i am very content with the game selection. i cant afford all the games i want. and i pity people who speak about things which they know nothing about.

[IQUITN4G]

Once again i'm seeing so much denial here

[jackdoe]

Overhype for Lair and Heavenly Sword. Now Lair is pretty much unplayable and HS isn't as bad as the article says it is. Averaging around an 80%. The problem is that Sony hyped these two games way too much. A developer who hasn't made a good game since 2001 and a newbie developer are not the companies you want to hype. They should have hyped Warhawk more instead as that actually turned out to be a killer multiplayer game. Had they not hyped HS, it would have been better recieved. And I really can't believe all this mud that people are slinging around. The Xbox 360 has good games and the PS3 has good games. What is the problem with that? Some people need to get their heads out of their freaking asses. I am sure Halo 3, Mass Effect, Uncharted, and Ratchet will all be killer AAA titles. They are backed by developers with pedigree and a good record for developing fun games. Bioware, Bungie, Naughty Dog, and Insomniac have yet to make a bad game. Ratchet and Uncharted are the games that Sony really needs to hype.
Also as a note, many of you fanboys need to take a chill pill. The 360 isn't going to go away nor is the PS3. Both are here for the long run. And the sooner you accept that, the faster you could get on with your lives and with gaming. Now go out and play some Warhawk, Bioshock, and Metroid Prime 3.

[Hyperactive Jedi]

If you think Lair is unplayable you either havent played it or you still have your mommy tie your shoe laces. Maybe a Physical Therapist can improve your physical skills?
I have Lair and have no problems with any aspect of the game.

[Darrius Cole]

This is a simple case of trying to stop the PS3 from getting momentum. North America is the Xbox home ground and last stand so of course they are going to fight for it. If PS3 gets a reputation of releasing 2 AAA titles a month then PS3 is going to win in North America also. So to stop that from happening MSFT kills the momentum of Sony's titles before they are released and can't defend themselves. If you kill the buzz then the undecided people won't buy them in the first place. Smart marketing.

[witchking]

This isn't MSFT's fault. They're not out there reviewing Lair and HS. I could see if one games site said something negative about Lair, but come on... this is very widespread. Now on HS, I'm seeing average rankings (from GameRankings.com) in the 83% range, so while there might be things in the game that are "off" it doesn't appear to hamper the overall experience.

I'd say Sony has at least two games (HS and Warhawk) that will help PS3 owners while away the hours until the next big thing (whatever and whenever that is).

But MSFT didn't have anything to do with the bad press these games are getting.

[witchking]

Great article.

[schabeugen04]

To all the guys picking fun at HSand lair becareful. Mass Effect and Halo 3 might flop aswell, gaming as changed quite a bit sonce the days of kotor and Halo 2. Karma is a b!tch is all im saying. and didnt blue dragon get just as much hype as HS and I dont hear anyone in the press calling that game a flop? As of a matter of fact it should of been included in this article as it fits in the theme extremely well.

[witchking]

I think the ecstacy over Bioshock has completely overwhelmed the fact that Blue Dragon fell flat as a pancake. I was going to get BD but decided after the demo to pass on it.

I think the point here is that PS3 needs these titles to succeed much more than the 360 needs them at this point. 360 still has some titles that are considered AAA (Oblivion, GRAW, Bioshock, GoW, etc), but PS3 is still looking for that game that will sell systems... and these games (HS, Lair, Warhawk) were meant to push systems this holiday season.

You're right that Mass Effect and Halo 3 may also fall flat. That would be as unfortunate as the Lair fiasco, in my opinion. I was REALLY hoping that someone was finally going to give us a great dragon-riding game. Alas, our expectations fall flat yet again.

[Xbox is the BEST]

Next Gen.

[CrazzyMan]

but if both games will end with over 1 mln. sales each, then reviewers will get owned. =))

[FirstknighT]

Looks like the next gen trend is continuing...

Xbox360 = AAA games
ps3 = excuses

[gunnar2906]

Everything is very simple
These sites lower the scores for these games only not to let them become killer appz and console-sellers.
People play Lair and have a lot of fun.
People play WH and have a lot of fun
People will play HS and will do the same.

X Box 360 adepts will read reviews and wait for Mass Effect

[1337 gamer]

there are demos for games for a reason... i played the heavenly sword demo, i liked it i get it :) very simple. i dont care what reviews it gets and what others think of it.

[tony]

i know what went wrong. its name is bioshock. it breaks all standards in video games and set new ones.

gunnar? did you play it?

[gunnar2906]

seriously?
What standards did Bioshock break?
What standards did it set?
For me it is another overhyped shooter.

[hamsterfist]

While I have yet to play Vampire Rain, I am pretty sure that game sucks hard, and the reviewers said so. (They where right about Bullet Witch, a game I thought deserved a play, and it was HORRID). I had high hopes for Lair, but I wonder how good/bad it is. Because of the reviews I will not be purchasing it, and I am sure others feel this way too. I certainly will rent it, but if it is only 6-10 hours long, and I beat it in a day or two I probably will not purchase it. Where as if this game had been getting critical praise, I almost certainly would have bought, as how could I resist a 9/10 game?

So to say that only gamers matter, and reviewers don't is false. Reviews affect overall sales, as I hate getting burned on sucky games. (I am sure others feel this way too) If it is any consulation to my fellow PS3 brotherin I regret my BioShock purchase, after I beat it a couple of times it is going to collect dust on my shelf and Gears of War lost it's replay value to me as well. Oh well at least I have Warhawk.

[Dannagar]

Thus far, the only game I've bought for my Playstation 3 is Lemmings off the PSN. The only game I may be buying in the future is WipeOut HD. Other than that, I can't say that there's a game coming out that I'm interested in. I'm not a Metal Gear fan nor a Final Fantasy fan. I personally couldn't be happier with the Xbox 360 and the Wii. I'll be booked with their games for the next year.

[Rhaigun]

However, I don't see either as the franchise to garner massive PS3 sales. The PS3 needs MGS4 and GT:5, and it needs them right now. Those are the system sellers. Those are the "killer apps".

[PimpHandHappy]

if u havent played it then u wont understand. It has been called AAA more then once by more then one person in the BIZ! Warhawk is a AAA online shooter!

Enough said

I know ppl that have bought PS3 just for Warhawk so all ur talk about how it wont move a system is just stupid.

Maybe im wrong but when the holiday season comes along and Warhawk is the best thing online ppl will buy the sytem. They will here about HS being short! They will also here about it being the closest thing to a action movie with amazing graphics and acting that they will buy a system for it come holiday season.

Whats with all these 360ppl calling out Sony for having no AAA titles! How many does the 360 have? They feel all happy because they have Bio Shock but b4 that you didnt have sh!t. U had GOW back last year and u still live off it. Your telling everyone the 360 has all these AAA games. Where are they? What game did they make that isnt on a PS3 that is AAA?

[Douglasp]

I am older gamer. I been there done that a millions times on different genres of games. From the old dragon warrior, zelda, to doom, castle wolfenteins, to mortal combat, and 2d fighters, to nfl2k, to halo to today. Been there and done that. I think the issue with HS and Liar is that as for gameplay what is new.??? Someone please analyze and explain? Killing 1000 monters, button smashing, to a wierd motion sensing (which I played back in the PC in the late 90's and for some reason it din't work back then, like they though it was, very limited to some type of games only) flying dragon, that auto aims for you only, and you have to restart a level all over again if you die. To me restarting a level all over again is so 90's. 6-8 hours of play with no multiplayer for 60$ is hard to push a new buyer to buy PS3 when atleast the 6-8 hour games the competition has offer multiplayer. Times have changed as to what gamer wants. And I think Liar and HS was hyped alot by gamers just for it's graphics but overall I think its the style of genre those two games are. They might not be for the people looking a PS3 right now. Keep in mind that the average buyer for a 600$ product is not going to be 13-16 year olds. Those games should have been done on the WII. Where kids won't judge it for everything else it falls for. Look at Motorstorm. lacks depth and good multiplayer and it since it's launch which sold 200k, up to today has only sold around 350k in US. So after the initial launch in March has only sold 150k copies and we are in Sept? But now look at Resistance. It has sold 800k in the US alone.? why maybe cause it has a good single player, its smooth, fun and has multiplayer? BUT it's a FPS right?
If you build it they will come and as for HS and Liar the masses wont come. Funny how a warhawk downloadble game with a lot less budget might sell more than two full budget games + has wayyy more lasting appeal. Atleast warhawk people will be playing it till 08 easily. What will people do when they pass a 8 hour no multiplayer game? Re-sell it and onto better gaming comes holiday season. And guess what kinda games are those. FPS, Haze, UT, COD4, + Halo, Orange box, etc etc.

[Maddens Raiders]

and I must say that you don't know what the hell you're taking about son. Motorstorm is a kick ((ass)) game and has sold way more than that math youo're putting together sparky. Might want to do some research there. As far as button smashers and your opinion about what people like, you should just leave the reasoning and educated opinions to licensed professionals like myself. Personally - I can tell that I'd send you home cryig in Motorstorm and Resistance. PlayStation is the future dude, and if you can't see that then you should A. sell yours (if you own one) or B. stop talking about things which you not.

The PS3 is none month olds grandpa, and I don't know of any other system that has put out games like this in that time frame, let alone what is still coming downstream this Fall. On top of that the two games you're talking about HS and Lair haven't even come out and I bet you're going to suck at them too ((I hope not)). This is no time to start feeling sorry for yourself. Pull up your bootstraps and start playing games dammit. If youre just going to siut around sucking your thumb and listening to what other people write, then your vision and desire is already lost.

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Maddens_Raiders
Kaz-Yamauchi
Super_Madden_N4G

Good day.

[felidae]

nice comment. bubble for you man!

i add you to my ps friendslist later.

Maddens_Raiders eh?

[fopums]

they are right with lair, but Heavenly Sword isnt a total bust, that just aint true, its got an 81% at gamerankings making a B game or C+ at least, not triple A o' course but still a decent title.

slanderderous I say! Gamesradar you should be ashamed!

@maddens, long rant here

the thing is, even though LAIR can be enjoyed, it shouldnt have to be a chore. that is the problem, with its huge production values and momentum it had going they shot themselves in the foot. Every PS3 fan was hyped for LAIR and a lot was riding on its shoulders, so they should have taken into consideration not everyone is going to want to play with the SIXAXIS and even though the update has immproved it to an extent it was a "too little too late" situation.

Now we had a potentialy great title that has been strung with bad reviews and its not going to be an exclusive that too many people will care about.

I have a similar situation with a PS2 title, ever heard of Monster Hunter? I LOVED that game, but it was met with pretty mediocure reviews but I looked at it from a general audience prospective and saw where they were coming from, even though it didnt stop me from loving that title.

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I know what you mean, no single game can be everyones cup of tea. but the good news is on its way, this holiday season is going to be great with Haze, UT3 and R&C not to mention HOME just about every PS3 owner will have somthing that fits there tastes.

PSN. Liberties

[Maddens Raiders]

fopums have you already mastered Lair and tossed it aside? Do tell.
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ed:/ Yeah I can see what you're saying about MH, but to say that every PS3 fan was hyped for Lair, I dunno about that. I welcome the sixaxis controls; however I totally understand the MH analogy that not everyone will "get it". Games like Lair come to me pretty easy I suppose. A lot of friends didn't see how I could play Ace Combats for hours on end, but I loved those games and sitreps, air to ground combat missions, and dogfighting don't appeal to everyone. Not EVEN comparing Lair to AC, but the age-old 'control' argument has been beaten to a pulp. Just like the video showed the other day it just takes minor adjusting, not huge movements. You know what I was thinking when I saw that video? GT. People that aren't good at Gran Turismo get on it and try to drive like their playing Twisted Metal or Smuggler's Run, not realizing that it doesn't respond that way. IT actually takes practice and their is an extensive learning curve. Anyway -- I'm buying Lair and I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Same for HS and Warhawk when I get home. Good to see that the PS3 games are finally rolling in.

Somehow I feel like in a few months we'll see some of those follow up articles reading, "Maybe WarHawk, Lair, and HS, recv'd unfair Scores from the press...", hell anything is possble these days. Sony has a lynch mob press and a lot of dirty MS money against them right now. It'll all come out in the wash.

[sleekblackroadster]

i sure hope they don't come out saying maybe they were unfair to these games.. i hope some of the new games that roll out and are announced as in dev. in the future blow these games out of the water and get accredited for it with higher scores than this lot of games received and hyped for the innovation they bring to games.. instead of just because they are the only things interesting being released.

[derek]

"Journalist" is a title very few if any of the reviewers on these websites deserve to carry. Alot are fanbois like everyone here bashing one console or another hiding their outright contempt for the PS3 (1up for example) behind creative largely made up criticisms of some the big titles that have and will come out on the system. How anyone could play a game like warhawk and give it less than a 9/10 is hard to fathom. In the end the masses dont read gaming mags and websites and will get a game based on a good adverstising campaign that shows the game off well. All Sony needs to do is advertise a game like Heavenley Sword with its beautiful graphics and people will want to play, being able to afford one is another story.

[mauinho]

360 next gen Experience for me so far... Oblivion, Gears of War (too short), TDU (online)and PES07 (online only), thats why I bought the console Bioshock will probably join the list soon Ive just started playing it.
PS3 reasons to buy it... IMO none so far I was hoping for HS but rewiews got me on hold, I wont buy a game rewiewed 4 or 5 or even 6 , Killzone 2 might do it, we want new experiences and the PS3 doesnt offer nothing new IMO... dont take me wrong im not a fanboy of neither the companies and AAA titles are the ones that give me something new , I really want a PS3 I just want a reason why... havent seen nothing AAA so far. LAIR and HS are not it.
So something went wrong with those titles I would say overhyped and rushed.

Good day

[Saint Sony]

Lets all go deep into denial and YELL: PS3 IS GREAT AND WORTH THE MONEY!

[NewScratch]

not trying to add to the flaming but i'm actually having a blast with it after making a late night wal-mart run a few hours ago...

got it on a whim b/c i had already made the decision to get warhawk instead but that decision didn't stick long. although ive only played the first section which is strictly flying i caught on pretty well after the inital training and then went back and finished arial training (10 mins tops) after getting only silver in the first section. its getting late but i cant wait to hit it up again after work tomorrow . not to mention after this post im gonna cram in some more training via psp remote play.

this from a dude who got bored of wii and can't play games very well at all -- getting better at warhawk though, trial by flamethrower, knife, and missle haha.

i've got a feeling that theres going to be some changed opinions in the next few weeks as people start renting.

lets all get along folks, while xbox owners are playing badass bioshock and getting hyped up for almighty halo ps3 owners are filling up warhawk rooms and slowly grabbing onto the other games trickling in. if you have both systems you're just a jerk.

[felidae]

yeah, i get the limited edition of Heavenly Sword with Artworks and a shiny Booklet.

can't wait to play this and Lair.

both of them will be amazing.

[PS360PCROCKS]

So let's see...::sigh::...this comment section in a nutshell...flamer,flamer,flame r,spins story,rabid jackass,spins story,flamer,rabid jackass and so on...k anyways this sucks no matter how you guys spin it, I really wanted Lair and it's apparently steaming poo and after trying the demo of HS I wasn't even than impressed and the reviews are not helping me, especially knowing the length of the game

[Maddens Raiders]

-- "anyways this sucks no matter how you guys spin it, I really wanted Lair and it's apparently steaming poo and after trying the demo of HS I wasn't even than impressed and the reviews are not helping me" --

well then PS3 'rocks'. If you weren't impressed w/ HS maybe it's not your cup of tea. And if you're going to rely on reviews only re: Lair and HS, et al, then you probably won't be playing any games on your PS3 at all. Why not play Lair first before damning it to HELL w/o touching it? Eh, maybe you have no intention of playing either one at all no matter the 'review'. The reviews of these games are subjective as hell - nevermind the fact that these games are coming 9 months into the lifecycle of a new console -- people are expecting way too much at this point for a system this young. I think these games are great and will have FUN playing them and figuring them out. Take care.

[Ju]

Let see, I might as well spend my last bubble. Why do I have a PS3 ? Maybe because I am a masochist. Sometime I have this feeling here. I have to be to take all the hate here.
Just FYI. I got Lair yesterday and Warhawk on Friday. Playing both ATM and I like both. Well, yeah, sure, now you'll tell me, I don't have anything else, right. Nope. Not true. I finished Resistance at least three time (why ? because its pure fun), I walked thru RB6V on a weekend, and I can't wait to get Graw2 (shooters available right now). I might like Bioshock, but then I don't like the Horror genre (I returned F.E.A.R. pretty soon, even though I thought that "last" gen title was pretty good and well implemented). So, are we FPS enough, yet ?
Well, certainly, I am not. Hah, I found my reason for the PS3. Maybe I am old fashioned, but I like variety. Another FPS or shooter? Sure why not. But I want more.
Warhawk is fun, it brings something new to online gaming (that'll be, that even I can compete, and the mix of air/ground combat). Its still a shooter, though.
Lair is an experiment. While I do agree, it is not a 10/10, it isn't a 4.9 either. I'd rate it maybe 7.9. What's all that hate. The 1080 (I run it on 'i', because my TV blurs badly on 1080p) is well implemented, my explosions look fine, I don't really see a lag or serious slow down. There is a trade of, the textures look medicore on the environments, agreed. But, beside the dark, there is the bright. Volumetric water gives you a nice shockwave when shooting at ships. Haven't seen that yet. The motion control is well implemented, one of the best I have seen so far (hey, if you don't know by now, that Lair is _the_ game for the sixaxis to use, why are you even here and reading this ?). So no surprise there.

The point is, I have a PS3 because of things like Lair. Would it sell me a PS3 ? Now that I know how the game plays ? I don't think so. But did I buy it because of one game (or genre) ? No, definitively not. I bought the PS3 for what it is. A playstation and the history of variety it brings with it. Lair is a piece of it. Its good to see that the PS3 gets all the shooters as well, but I am happy the portfolio is already richer then others. And, no, I don't want kiddy games just to be different. At least something a more mature person can play. Until now the Wii had pretty nothing, except now Metroid. The 360 ? Hardcore shooters ? Yeah, right there you go.
You people damn the PS3 because some developers are trying something new? How pathetic. Really. Nobody forces anyone to buy anything. Go with what you like. I like my PS3. And that's why I bought it. Accept it.
You know, the only comment I ever posted in a 360 thread was about PGR4. I think it has amazing visuals. And I listed a couple of games which would sell me a 360 - and that list still stands today.
I just don't understand any fanboys jumping into threads of their "behated" system to just bash around and spur up hate. What's wrong with you guys ?

[IRONMAN_X57]

WARHAWK 1 million
RESISTANCE sold 3 million and its still selling
MOTORSTORM has had way more than 1 million
We know Ratchet is gonna sell well over 1 million
Even though Ninja gaiden went gold 3 weeks ago, its getting to platnium
Yet 360 HAS SO MANY GAMES, but you guys never have any fun with your 360 games at all, enjoy sub par games on brickbox360

[uxo22]

While I understand your point or at least the point that you are trying to make about the games on the PS3, please allow me to give you two ways that your post can be interpreted or view by others.

View 1: He's right the PS3 does have good games, I really don't know what the 360 fanboys are talking about. They are just haters. (Probably the view taken by a sony fan)

View 2: Haha, the reason why whenever an exclusive for the PS3 comes out, the reason it sells so many copies is because the system is so anemic to quality games that PS3 owners ALL buy it, just out of pure boredom and a lack of anything better to do. (Probably the view taken by an xbox fan.)

I guess what I'm trying to say here is, if you are trying to make a point that you want people to listen to or consider, perhaps you should keep all flamable materials out of your post. People tend to respond better when they don't feel that they are being attacked.

I saw the message that you were trying to put out there, and I agree, there are some good and bad games out there on both systems. But also, as an XBOX360 & PS3 owner, you could have also offended my XBOX360 side. By only stating that the subpar games are on the 360. IMO.

[eagle21]

Point blank period.

[reaperxciv]

lair just fails to deliver, what a bummer

[IRONMAN_X57]

just like 360 right, thought so

[progx]

You fantards are STILL defending lair? LET IT GO. This is so pathetic, like ironman x57 up there.