EGM: KillZone 2 Dumbest AI..... and Halo 3 Best AI

In what looks like the "dumbest" comparison, EGM have decided to side by side compare Halo 3 - due out on release in under 3 weeks, with the alpha build of Sony's KillZone 2 that was previewed at E3. Despite the game being almost a year away from completion, and despite the developers noting that the A.I was not yet complete, the journalists at EGM wanted to include the game in their "Best Of.." section of the magazine and it seemed like the only category best suited for KillZone 2 was the "Dumbest AI".

This is a direct contradiction from the latest hands-on by IGN and Game Informer, whom actually chose to note the positives of the early version of the game in relation to the "aggressively good" intelligence of the game.

[Meus Renaissance]

When the game is released and it is given a low score for bad A.I. then I can accept that. But to even to attempt to preview an alpha-build and award it with this "Dumbest AI" tag is rather insulting considering that the game is almost a year away from completion. The only aspect close to a finish regarding the game were it's graphics - yet it was ignored and instead they focused on the artificial intelligence of the characters which were obviously no where near finished, according to the developers.

You can say what you will about the game but this is a cheap shot, and further fuel for those who claim a media bias towards the PlayStation 3. Afterall, did EGM preview Halo 3 September 2006 and give it a derogative award based on that build?

P.S. I'll remember those who failed my story after I asked them to wait until I provided the link of the scanned image. Don't doubt me again.

[TriggerHappy]

Hey thats EGM for you. First they compared "Home" which is unreleased to live, which has been out here for over 5 years now.

And, now they are comparing a game which isn't even in beta to a game which has gone gold ?

how fair EGM is ?

[MK_Red]

True.
Also, totally agreed with Merc3nary. They compared Live with Home (Which should have been Live with PSN) and still forgot about most of things that made Home great.

I think after this they'll say Super Mario Bros has better online features than UT3.

[marinelife9]

I think magazines like EGM are just struggling and need to publish outrageous eye catching comments in order to draw interest to their magazine.

The fanboy situation is the biggest problem in the gaming world and they want to take advantage of it. All the magazines do. That's why the review scores are always so controversial.

[FirstknighT]

Sheesh! Alot of anger in these posts.

[tmax]

EGM and 1up are the whores are Micro$oft are their Pimps.
They would get b*tch slapped if the gave the PS3 a good score.

I stopped visiting these sites ages ago

[MoonDust]

I like how you made this only related to KZ2 and not Halo 3 on the "related games" category.

[eLiNeS]

if no one brings up the point that the AI in KillZone 2 is Dumb then it might never get fixed, or maybe you don't want it fixed, who knows. I sure wouldn't want to play a game with Dumb AI. Agree or Disagree on this comment not that I feel HALO ][][][ FTW!!!

[MikeGdaGod]

good find Meus

[Evil0Angel]

but Gorila failed again when it comes to A.I. sure the game got around sex month of devlopment but 6 months are not for the A.I only. they already spent 2 years in the game will 6 months make all that diffrence .
GORILA never delverd anything befor so apart from this game been PS3 EXCULSIVE and having amazing graphic (LAIR) why you antcipating too much from this devloper ?
honestly every single PS3 exculsive is always hyped as it GOD himself for no reason but lake of KILLER APP.

[Ri0tSquad]

I was saying to myself these guys are idiots. Halo 3 is gold its complete Killzone 2 has a year (could get pushed back even more LIKE GTA DID you guys don't know anything could happen). Lol these xbots are quite entertaining.

[resistance100]

@ eLiNeS

you do know that AI is one of the last elments of development? and that the dev's have stated that it will be improved

[Mattey]

Im pretty sure their friends, they play halo 3 together in humpday challenges and talk about them in their pod casts.

[secret]

The Dan Hsu didn't even graduate from a top school. They probably chose him in desparation because no one would want to work at EGM anymore, and they needed an asian face for their company EGM probably thinks that a large number of gamers might be asians. He wasn't chosen for integrity or business decision making skills, supposedly. This is my biased opinion, but I'm allowed to be biased on a free forum. His job is on the line. But he doesn't care if Microsoft's secret payment is more than he'll ever earn in a lifetime at EGM. $500,000?? $800,000? If he greenlighted this kind of crap, he has to go. The guy should resign. The FRAT PARTY at EGM is OVER. Paid to play is OVER...!!!! Cops are outside the door to break this party up for disturbing the community withe wreckless fratboy partying.

Yeah, my comments are colored. But what the hey, so are his. He pretty much turned EGM into a frat house on the loose.

[Meus Renaissance]

People still think this is fake? Go download the torrent of the October issue of EGM.

Here is a screenshot.

[Rhaigun]

...it's that it's EGM/1up and we don't care. They've shown lately that they are biased. Or, maybe they're sceptical. This is what happens when you (Sony) claim your console to be the most powerful. However, this is going a little far.

[MK_Red]

Well, we all already know how dumb EGM is when a respectful magazine like GameInformer calls Killzone 2's AI Amazing and other great things...

[TheSadTruth]

have you actually watched a killzone 2 video? the AI is atrocious

This site is getting pretty ridiculous with it's Sony fanboys, why can't you kids just grow up? No sane person gives a flying sh1t about who wins a console war.

[HowarthsNJ]

All of the killzone2 GP footage we've seen is in God mode/medium difficulty. So we're not seeing the AI as it would be in normal mode.

The DEV also explained that the AI is aware of all the physics objects and knows what part of the environment is destructible to shoot the player through.

Who knows how aggressive the AI is on hard with god mode disabled?

[reaferfore20]

Game Informer is the only magazine I trust anymore.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Bubbles for you Meus.

How can you compare an ALPHA not even Beta!!!

Also another Mag said KZ2 AI is Dangerously Good (Forgot which it was on this site) Though sometimes I saw them glitch in previews movies

Still think EGM is not Biased?

[Meus Renaissance]

They just dont want to hear it.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Killzone One AI ain't so bad. In Counter Strike and Battelfield 2 Online I saw people with more retarded AI lol.

Also. Good thing I did not listen to Biased Reviews of Lair like EGM. I love it Sixaxis is fun to play with. While it took me some time to get used to it I feel like a real Dragon Rider. Whooooshhh.

Now to buy Heavenly Sword

[GnaM]

Like I said further down, if you don't think Killzone's AI was dumb, then you are as smart as a Killzone AI.

Also, Lair got worse reviews from "unbiased" publications like IGN and Gamespot than from "biased" ones like EGM or 1up. LOL.

[DarkArcani]

Gamespot not bias???? sense when???? When they gave a game with more content and slightly better visuals + loading times a lower score compared to the competitor, what do you call that?

[TheSadTruth]

"sense when"

so you try to make a logical argument but can't even make coherent sentences?

I'm SURE that one instance of what you described makes them biased, you are a very intelligent person.

[risk]

the same can be said for you sad. not everybody has a dictionary open in another window to make themselves sound smart. And god forbid if people come from other parts of the world where english isn't their primary language.

[beavis4play]

if EGM did something so idiotic, it isn't a wonder that Ziff Davis is going bankrupt. the positive is that poor journalism by EGM will be finished.

[mighty_douche]

AI is generally one of the last stages in developing a game and this is over 6 months from release so how the hell can they compare it to a complete game? and by complete, im mean complete crap!! lol cant wait for the fanboys to jump on me for that!

edit @ TRUE PS3 FAN, obviously not if you say so

[Saint Sony]

Obviously you know nothing about game developing.

[Evil0Angel]

a@@hole.
kilzone sucks just like gorila?
what did Gorila do ?
what they known for ?
i will tell you : games that suck@@ so hard with sh111111111111111t A.I

[crck]

But honestly the worst AI I have ever seen is in Hour of Victory. You could stand right in front of some of the enemies and they would just stare right back at you waiting for you to kill them.

[mikeslemonade]

Damn MS fanboys that work there. First Che now is Dan Shu. I wouldn't be suprised if Dan Shu was the person who came up with this idea.

[Nicosia]

Man, DUMBEST MOMENT IN GAMING HISTORY. And btw don't feed EGM because there attention wh0res.

[Double-Edged]

It's as dumb as HALO3 graphics staying the same as Halo Beta.

[felidae]

what's wrong with these guys?

people will look at this comparison in a negative way.

i'm sure Halo 3's AI will be amazing. Bungie proved that in the last Halo games. But i also think KZ2's AI will be better than what was shown at E3.

That comparison is pathetic! EGM svcks major ass!

[Double-Edged]

The AI was alright still...
The Bots we alright...

So i disagree that this game has crappy AI.

[GnaM]

No offense, but if you think Killzone 1's AI was 'alright' then your intelligence must be on par with an Killzone 1 bot...LOL.

[MarioFromTexas]

People are basing Halo AI when most people didn't even played the single player. Halo has dumbazz A.I..The best A.I. I seen so far is Resistance: fall of man. They will shoot and flank you and when they are close to you they don't just sit 3 feet away shooting at you they will come and melee your azz. Halo all the 3 foot purple aliens do is just run in open field like idiots and the elite just stands their shooting at you waiting for you to melee him. Try doing that in resistance, you will get melee more times than any other game, I guarantee it

[jwatt]

The first time they show the enemy in this video they do jump over cover but all the other times, the AI is actually smart. Even the dev talking said they will flank you and that's exactly what the do. While they shoot at you, you can see them moving towards the side or for cover. I think so far the AI is decent but not the dumbest AI.

http://www.gamereactor.dk/g...

[THUNDERMARE]

To be true here I think Halo 2 AI is not that smart, but actually, I think they dont need to. Halo is a game with its own style so if dev put AI like those in FEAR then the game will lose its sensation as Halo game. (think about the purple alien hid behind a rock and only shoot when you look away, not so fun right?)

[Meus Renaissance]

Also, in the "Best graphics" section, they put in brackets "playable" so to make sure KillZone 2 wouldn't be considered. Lol. They gave it to Bioshock.

[Meus Renaissance]

I have proof for those who disagreed. Remember, I have the magazine and you do not.

[apoc06]

wait... so because killzone 2 wasnt playable, they couldnt award it best graphics... BUT they gave it the worst AI award even though it wasnt playable?

so it wasnt eligible for the most distinguished award, but it was eligible for one of the worst? assuming they arent biased, just how does that work?

[Evil0Angel]

grew up

[SRuN4]

let me guess it was shoe? he was hating on the game as soon as they saw the video by saying gears of war still looked better. plus this is the kind of favors you have to repay to get a huge story on halo for the last issue..

[malingenie]

Anybody else feel that this year, game journalism went to the crapper?
Scores have incredible standard deviations, there is console bias, and every corner is filled with ps3/xbox fanboys... what on earth is going on?

I think video reviews are a good solution... and multiple scores, like GI.

On another note, specific console magazines (like PSM/XBOX) should at least tap into what their specific console owners like. I expect them to review games based on the particular console and fanbase.

I still cant believe PSM gave warhawk a 6.5. Talk about not knowing what your mission in life is.

[GnaM]

The thing you guys have to realize is, journalists already ignore so much of the weak stuff in alpha/beta/demo versions they view, that that's what we have to blame when games which are expected to be triple A suddenly turn out to be coasters. Take Black for instance - the game received a ton of hype as being the next big console shooter while anyone looking at footage pre-release could guess that there was absolutely nothing to it beyond the visual effects. And yet, based on the notion that it would be "unfair" to criticize weaknesses before the final release build, journalists pretended not to notice anything wrong, and continued to hype the game as an AAA shooter.

Then the game finally gets released, and suddenly everyone expecting good things was surprised with mediocre or plain old poor reviews citing the simplistic gameplay, lack of mission structure, lack of challenging AI, lack of level design, etc. I played it briefly when my roommate rented it, and it was definitely not worth a purchase. Granted, I saw the mediocrity coming a mile away, so I was not surprised, but anyone who believed what the magazines and websites said prior to release would have been hugely disapointed.

And this sort of stuff happens all the time (Killzone 1 for example). Sure, when it's something really obvious and superficial - like the unpolished graphics of the Halo 3 Beta, then everyone notices and points it out, but when it comes to actual gameplay issues, people don't pay attention, and journalists don't bother to mention it. To the discerning eye, it's there, but everyone is usually too busy hyping a game and talking about its visuals to notice.

Well, I think it's time for this trend to end. I think journalists need to be honest and attentive to a game's shortcomings even before release. If the developers can't get gameplay aspects up to par for demos, then maybe they should try working on that first and worrying about the over-rated graphics later...or they should at least come clean and admit that there are things missing, and promise to work hard on it before the final release. I'm tired of journalists pretending a game is absolutely perfect all the way up to release, then suddenly coming out with all these glaring issues in the review at the last minute. The kiddy gloves need to come off, and that means the whole "omg I can't beleive u criticized a beta" mentality" needs to go.

[apoc06]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, however the real problem is the fact that this form of reviewing is one sided this generation. every game for ps3 is criticized from day one. xbox360 games are generally hailed and shortcomings are ignored for the most part.

i own both systems, and it gets really annoying to decide what games [on either console] to buy because of the slant.

- xbox360 games shortcomings are ignored or overlooked, so their scores are inflated and i dont know what im going to end up with until i rent or buy the game. gears of war was a great game, but no one said anything about the short, linear single player campaign. no one mentioned how glitchy and laggy the multiplayer was. i would have bought the game regardless, but if im going to read your review i would have at least liked to have been better informed.

- ps3 games are graded with a -1 handicap. so a great game like oblivion; which now that i've played on both systems, i realize the ps3 version is a good deal more superior, but it STILL received lower scores on nearly EVERY single review out there. the justification for the lower scores is "well, theres no downloadable horse armor". YES! "horse armor". thats the only complaint. who cares about horse armor when you get the patches, additional content, much better graphics, much better loading time? despite all of these extras, the game still scored lower?

if there are flaws in a game, i want to know. i dont want fluff reviews for either system. these sites could at least stand to be consistent.

[GnaM]

Well, if you say there is a bias in the media, I suppose I'll have to take your word for it. I don't own either system, so I haven't spent a lot of time looking at the reviews...especially for PS3, because PS3 has fewer games that interest me (not because I'm inherently biased against it). However, you don't sound like a fanboy, so I'm willing to believe what you say is accurate and not just a biased way of looking at things.

I think there are a lot of problems with game journalism and the way games are reported and reviewed, but I feel in this particular case (AI in Killzone 2) fanboys are just being sore losers over the fact that someone criticized their "guaranteed triple A" game...just like they did when negative reviews came out for Lair, and reviews for Heavenly Sword were less than perfect. From an objective standpoint, Killzone 2 has yet to show us anything impressive beyond its visuals, and so people should be looking at it with a very skeptical eye...particularly given the developer's lack of experience and short-lived/dismal track record with Killzone 1. And yet, merely based on the fact that it has nice graphics, people are completely convinced that it will be a top-rate game.

This whole "can do no wrong" attitude towards unreleased games (particularly in unproven franchises) really needs to go out to the dumpster.

Also, this obsession over graphics really needs to go. I thought gamers were more mature than this...for example, when the Halo 3 Beta came out, the primary concerns and criticisms should have been over the gameplay balance, and yet like retards, the only thing anyone could say is "omg it dusnt l@@k much bettar tahn halo 2".

[Xwow]

N4G need more people like MK_red and Meus .

MS fanboys are the worst(not all of them but most of them)

PS3 games get bash hard these days,first the hardware of ps3 get most of the bashing after E307 when people relaized the ps3 is most powerful console and it has the best GFX.

NOW the bash changed for the games.

EGM and 1up really are the worst,THEY are part of MS 3,2 billion viral marketing.

KILLZONE dumbest AI...yeah right it,s in alfa-build and th AI is not complete,gameinformer talk about killzone2 AI and it,s good.

HALO3 smartest AI...yeah right,HALO AI will not came even close to MGS4 AI.

iam a ps3 fan but not baised, BUT i can,t take it any more,MS fanboys all they want is to seek revenge from what happend lastgen.

DREAM ALL YOU WANT XBOTs FANS PS3 WILL WIN THIS CONSOLE WAR,I HOPE YOU ENJOY THE RROD.

[DarkArcani]

I'm almost sorry i read all of that.
Especially the last sentence where you contradicted the sentence before.
Furthermore proving you are bias.

[TheSadTruth]

get a life

that's all that needs to be said, wow2007

[kenjix]

This is just sad, well they lost luke and now John and then all the respect and integrity they worked so hard to build up. Oh well time to move on :P

IGN and Gamespot keep up the good work

[Vojkan]

They still have that ugly looking, annoying voice, moron Sho, or Shoe, Shoes i dont know exact name of his. But is hardcore Halo and Microsoft fanboy and in charge there.

[snittolo]

Ive never thought about cutting out what a reviewer has to say but I think this is the last time I ever read something from EGM. What a stupid comparison with a complete game and a game still with a long time of development left, they honestly make themselfs sound like fanboys.

[Vojkan]

Wow i am so SURPRISED!!! From same site that wrote "Kojima eat d!ck"! WOW /being sarcastic
www.biased360fanboys1up.com check it out!

[hulk_bash1987]

It doesnt seem to be comparing halo 3's a.i and Killzone 2's a.i directly like the description states but its still funny that they would call out an alpha build of a game that isnt near done yet, thats classic. This is another nail in the coffin for egms credibility as far as im concerned. And b4 n e one decides to flame me for it plz note the "as far as im concerned" that is stated, only refering to me not n e one else.

[hok_22]

egm are the dumbest halo 3 is gonna have a good AI but overall its gonna be average game i know its gonna sell great due to the name halo as far as kz2 goes its gonna be a great egm should go and such master chief's b@lls

[btkadams]

egm is so disappointing. they're pretty much giving killzone an award (though a bad award) before its even reached beta.

you might as well give resident evil 5 an award too. hmm... ya i think it should win best multiplayer.

[reaferfore20]

How about "Most fun if you're a racist" :D

[Bleucrunch]

Pretty dirty if you ask me, seems like Microsoft is paying everyone off to speak badly of the ps3 which is pretty childish and will only comeback to hurt them two fold in the future, who the heck reads anything EGM says anyway?

[pyth0n]

Hey, just accept the fact that most of the EGM's staffs were Halo Fanboys. Almost every issues of EGM they want to mention about Halo

[Snake_Doctor]

I am shocked and amazed that EGM/1up would try to bash this KZ2 while praising Halo 3. I mean I just can't believe it.
/sarcasm

[Mattguy]

Well if you needed hard proof that EGM had an xbox bias. I'd be suprised honestly if this magazine ever went down-there has to be a legion of xbots that absolutely eat up all the garbage this magazine has been putting out the past while.

[BloodySinner]

When EGM and various gaming magazines/websites were raving about God of War and God of War II, they weren't so biased back then, were they? Stupid hypocrite. Go back to your hole.

[gEnKiE]

thats a great comparison......

[III MIKIE III]

There is no comparison, im a 360 + ps3 owner and you cannot compare a finished game to one that`s still got over a year to go its common sense. Even when Killzone is out if you think about it that will make Halo 3 A.I look poor because Killzone would of had a years extra work .

[THE_JUDGE]

the game isn't even out yet. Why do they continue to try and throw dirt on a game that isn't even done yet. I hope GG does a good job even more so now so that those idiots will have to eat their words.

[kenjix]

Yeah these guys are monkeys

[getupahh]

points at EGM and laughs.

[Vip3r]

EGN Dumbest AI..... IGN Best AI

[kenjix]

LOL

That's great I love it.

[secret]

ha ha

[FirstknighT]

...I introduce you to the hottest topic of the day!

Well so far the ps3 hasn't shown any smart AI yet. Resistance had a few good moments but for the most part the AI was a joke. Lairs AI looks pathetic. Ground soldiers just stand there. Same with Heavenly Sword, enemy AI just sidestep from right to left. And don't get me started with the AI in MGS4. Sony launch comercials once said that the ps3 is smarter than you....well I haven't seen it yet.

The 360 has already shown next gen AI. Gears of War was a prime example on how smart AI should be. And Bioshock's AI is one of the best I seen so far. The Halo series always had top notch AI. So all smiles over here! :)

[Zor]

What are you talking about! GoW Had terrible AI, especially your partner in Single Player mode, they would just stand there and die, that is stupid AI

[demolitionX]

do u watch movies or not? have u ever seen a guy fighting like 10 people at once or they come at him one by one. that's what happens in HS genious, she's fighting 1000 people, what u want all hit her at once if so, show me how can u play with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! really those xbots people are full of sh!!!t.

[xplosneer]

A biased fanboy!

Are you kidding me I got pwned in Resistance single player A LOT! You really haven't gotten to know this game.

I do admit Gears had FREAKIN HARD AI, me and my friend got beat ON EASY 3 times during 1 level!

And heavenly sword if you attack one guy the other hits you in the back(on the demo at least) and BTW No real fight like that in realy life IF they know what they are doing fights where everyone attacks at once. Really, the person side step and you just killed your teammate with a sword! seriously!

Go away.

[Baba1906]

who cares if halo is great or not, its not fair to rate a game that is not near finished. so whatever egm.

[Takumi86]

ALL I CAN SAY ITS M'S MONEY TALK AGAIN

[trane07]

B*tch? Dont try to come at me with your fanboy bull. I see you're still sore over my words in that warhawk area huh? Aww.......

[BIadestarX]

What a bunch of hypocrites... yes I am talking about you Sony fanboys.... Not long ago you people were flaming halo saying that the game look like $h!t... did you forget that it was not release version... you people didn't have a problem flaming all Halo 3 posts... How many articles we saw with Halo 3 being compared to other games including CGI stuff. And now you have a problem with the same being done to Kill Zone 2? You people are the lowest of the fanboys scums...

Granted the point I am trying to make is not that the game will not have great AI when is released nor that Kill Zone 2 will not be a good game... but simply to state the obvious... Sony fanboys expect special treatment and don't like others to do to them what they do on regular basis.

[trane07]

fanboys don't own magazines now do they? They don't go off throwing awards on unfinished builds for the public to see now do they? You going off topic with a rant about the "sony fanboys" like some fool when this article has nothing to do with the sort is stupid. If it makes you feel any more better as bad as halo looked, egm always hyped it to the end.

And you act as if fanboys (like yourself) aren't any worse. and then to hold your nose up as if you've never said or done anything fanboy in any sort of caliber ON THIS WEBSITE makes you look like a damn dumbass.

You aren't any worse than these fools on this stupid ass website. This goes to show it. The pot can't call the kettle black.

[Meus Renaissance]

The Halo beta was criticised because of the graphics and from what I've seen of the final build, regarding the MP anyway, there hasn't been any major improvements to the visuals hence why some call it "Halo 2.5". In my personal opinion, and I do love Halo (im getting it), we have not seen the same visual jump from Halo to Halo 2 as we have seen with Halo 2 to Halo 3. Whatever plaudits this game will get in reviews, one thing is for sure, it won't be the visuals considering how the upcoming FPS's on platforms are look alot better than Master Chief and his AR.

But my point is that your point is irrelevant. Yes there are fanboys on both sides whom expect certain things in the scores of their exclusives, but this particular issue has nothing to do with that. I am not claiming EGM are fanboys, but simply the behaviour in this example is "fanboyish". You cannot simply review conclusively something like A.I. from a game that is nowhere near completion.

It's even sillier than those who criticised the Halo Beta. Atleast the game was a few months from release, KillZone 2 is practically a year away.

[FirstknighT]

There goes trane07 being a lil bi*ch as usual.

[Azures]

Bladestar stop with this anti sony fanboi thing you always go for, MS fanbois are JUST as bad but you never have anything to say to them man.

[carlman23]

And for the love of God PS3 fanboys, stop being all sour-grapes about the fact that most people actually don't care about the PS3. I'm a huge PS2 fan and even I don't think that the PS3 has enough compelling software yet to justify widespread purchase (not to mention the price).

We'll see what happens next year, but stop pretending that we're all idiots for buying and enjoying 360s. The PS3 isn't off my radar, but I (and most of the damned world obviously) aren't interested right now.

[Xwow]

"Sony fanboys expect special treatment and don't like others to do to them what they do on regular basis"
yeah right.. 1)who trash every fps game challenge halo.
2)who overhyped halo and make it the best game in earth.
3)who said:"when halo3 released x360 sales will spike and it will be over for the ps3"
4)who said that halo3 will crash any game on it,s way"
5)who makes a strange compare for a game who,s not even on beta and a complete game.

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE PUTTING A COMMENT.
MS FANBOYS ARE REALLY THE WORST.

[Hugh Hefner]

Hey wow 2007:

1)who trash every fps game challenge halo.
2)who overhyped halo and make it the best game in earth.
3)who said:"when halo3 released x360 sales will spike and it will be over for the ps3"
4)who said that halo3 will crash any game on it,s way"
5)who makes a strange compare for a game who,s not even on beta and a complete game.

All these comments could be easily turned around and put the name Killzone 2 instead of Halo 3. All rabid fanboys are equally bad.

[VirusE]

Hugh the difference is that halo is a proven franchise and killzone is not.

[pilotpistolpete]

Did EGM have an article about "worst next gen graphics" and award it to Halo 3, 6 months ago?

No...?

Case closed.

[reaferfore20]

How did you get disagree'd!? I don't understand. So six people think that one fanboy is better than the other? All they do is complain and talk smack. That's it. Oh they also praise everything that is on their side of the spectrum... forgot abou that one.

[Hugh Hefner]

Well I prefer the 360 over the PS3, but after this comparison I gotta give it to the Sony fanboys and admit that EGM is terribly biased. You just don't do a comparison like this. In all fairness, they are just fanboys of the 360 and are showing that, judging by Sony fanboys' comments you guys would do the same thing to Halo 3 and other 360 games if you worked at a place like this.

[felidae]

they're ending their business badder as it has to be.

[Devr]

Pre-alpha vs. Completed game... Oh gee, wonder who lost? :P

Hmm, but Game Informer did say that the AI is great... I'm sure it will turn out just fine.

[secret]

Another bad mark on EGM's resume. They've hired and kept some really bad folks with bad busienss decision making skills and fired the good ones. Or maybe the good journalists with integrity didn't get along with the current group and moved on to other magazines.

I don't trust that company. I was thinking of subscribing to their magazine because of their writing style and humor, but I've decided not to after learning about this. It's not enjoyable to always wonder if they're offering honest advice. If I had listened to them, I'd be stuck with a Wii right now and out shopping for a standalone bluray player because the Wii doesn't come with a bluray player and most of the good movies are on bluray. I'm sure many of xbox360 and Wii people are helping support the Bluray format already if not eventually. And then, after some research, I'd find out that the PS3 is the best valued standard bluray player out there, especially if you like videogames, too. And then wonder what the hell did I spend $259 - $300 on a Wii for??? Oh, yes, EGM gave it the console choice over the PS3. Like saying the Toyota Tercel is better than the Ferrari or Bentley because it sells more and is more affordable and is for the masses.

[kenjix]

I knew it was only a matter of time but here it is, I posted this article on 1up and I got banned for it. My job is done :)

http://img407.imageshack.us...

Here's the 1up response
You are not allowed to access this site

We're sorry, but you have been banned from using this site.

You have been banned for the following reason:

"I bet this thread gets banned or locked." Without those words, I would have actually been ok with your thread. But this says to me that you're just trying to stir up @#$@.

You have 4998 minutes remaining on the ban.

[Maddens Raiders]

what they're trying to hide. EA did the same thing to me by saying they won't be responding to any more of my queries after committing to a response (by the devs) on the inequities between the PS3 Madden and 360 Madden -- and their charging the same price for different games. --Of course the dev response is never coming.

If there are no conspiracies out there, this kind of behaviour doesn't help dispel that notion. Good for you for commenting and linking to N4G.

[Xwow]

"The PS3 isn't off my radar, but I (and most of the damned world obviously) aren't interested right now."

will you see sony unlike MS don,t force ps2 owners to buy ps3 they still support it both on hardware and software.
MS cut nearlly all support for xbox1 and force xbox1 owners to change to the nextgen and force them to buy x360.
ps2 owners when they are ready to switch to next gen they will do it with COMPLETE FREEDOM.

[carlman23]

Except that it's actually cheaper to just keep an Xbox and buy a 360 than trade in the PS2 to go towards a PS3. And it doesn't really matter because I will agree with any Sony fanboy that the original Xbox was a pretty pathetic system (in software library) compared to the PS2 (I personally never even considered buying an Xbox).

But that's not the point. The point is that I don't care how well built the PS3 is, or how its got an integrated Blu-ray drive. All I see is the fact that, here in Canada it's $150 more than the 360 (even more if you include the fact that Sony doesn't throw in the frickin' High-Def cables while MS does) and it has an inferior game library.

I want GAMES, not movies. If the PS3 pulls out of its rut and becomes the true successor to the PS2, I'll buy it. And guess what? It'll be cheaper by then anyways. So everyone wins right?

P.S. except for the fact that the 360 and the Wii will continue to sell more.

[monkey602]

he Carlman I'm all for both systems but I dont fully understand the price jeerings. you say a ps3 is $150 more without a cable. how about the 360 being $150 dollars cheaper without a Hd Dvd player, Wireless capability and Online play included. Here in Ireland it 600 euro for a 60Gb PS3 with 2 games and a second controller, Compared to The Elite (which is the equivalent of the PS3 because of HDMI and large HDD etc.) is 500euro with nothing included. so here PS3 is definitely the cheaper deal.

[carlman23]

And I don't appreciate being forced to pay for it. If the PS3 had a BR player at no extra cost, than it would be a MASSIVE perk, but I'm not going to buy/rent any Blu-rays so why should I pay for it?

I'm not doubting that many people actually want a Blu-ray player. But don't be surprised that it's not driving the sales of the PS3 as much as Sony hoped. Maybe some day, when there are more titles out and it's way cheaper I'll be interested. I still prefer Video Game consoles to be about games.

[chrno]

This is not only biased but also stupid. How can they give an unfinished game with the dumbest AI award, and not give it the best grahpic award on the basis that it is not playable. Anyone sense the super obvious bias here?

[DJ]

everyone else in the industry is saying.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Go here this was used in the same argument http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-... seems there are alot more than you think.

[Maddens Raiders]

sounds fair to me. o_0

[Xwow]

iam surprised they didn,t ban you forever.
you see how x360 fans can be once they are angry.
good jop proving that x360 fans are the worst(not all of them but most of them).

edit:(respond for power of green below):i think this thread is about the AI and the stupid comapare for a game in alfa build and complete game not because of the multi player,THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

edit:(respond for virusE below): it,s true guerilla games has not made a single game with good AI(as far i know) and halo had a great AI(for me it,s good).
BUT this not a reason to put this stupid comparison(KZ2 is still in alfa build,HALO3 is complete).
the real reason for this comparison is egm wants to tell every one that halo3 is a better game than kZ2 am i wrong or not???
for me both games are great and both have thier uniqe stile.

[power of Green]

Dam you're a Sony fanboy you can have 100 360's in your house means nothing to me. Halo 3's latest multi player build is far beyond any other halo. Even the Beta was better. Sorry you wasted all that time with the PGR4 vs GT5-P comparison thread.

[VirusE]

So far guerilla games has not made a single game with good AI. I am not saying the AI will suck in the finished version of the game but the videos i have seen of KZ 2 do seem to point towards rubbish AI. Obviously they have TONS of time to polish this. That being said the halo series has always had great AI from day one. If the headline was Best AI: resistance fall of man and Worst AI: killzone 2 half of you wouldn't be ranting like you are.

[Funky Town_TX]

who knows what build they looked at. And BTW they did not compare the two. One is better than the other right now.

[DEADEND]

I don't understand how they can compare a finished game to a game thats not coming out till Feb 08, I know HALO 3 is going to be a great game but so will KILLZONE 2. Its like they won't even give the game a chance because their so bias, they should just wait until the game comes out next year and then compare HALO 3 to KILLZONE 2 and if KILLZONE 2 doesn't deliver then talk bad about it.

[jcgamer]

it's not like one will "kill" the other...lol...Killzone isn't finished, so it is "dumb" to compare, but Halo 3 obviously took a balanced hit in graphics to ensure that it will have stellar AI...so even though it's not fair to compare, Halo 3 will certainly have great AI...

[power of Green]

If anything this clears up what Sony fans have been denying. The devs have some work ahead of them they couldn't get the AI right for the first showing people have been waiting a year this game has been in development for years. People say KZ2 look great but its fuced up some how doesn't look right looks painted and flat and looks like sh*t up close to things.

[IRONMAN_357X]

xbots are idiots, they believe the most obvious crap. HALO3 the best, of course they are gonna say that, they are trying to defend a dying trend. YOU GUYS DIDNT EVEN SEE THE GAMEPLAY, I DID so wtf are talkin about. KZ2 is in pre alpha and when i saw halo3, the AI was just as horrible as halo 2

XBOTS in denial

[MoonDust]

I thought you were a idiot but now i know you are one.

[DEADEND]

360 fanboys will do whatever it takes to find something wrong with KILLZONE 2, just think about it if it was the other way around they would say (OH HALO 3 ISN'T OUT YET SO WHY ARE THEY COMPARING A FINISHED GAME TO ONE THATS NOT)the same thing we're saying.

They just don't want to believe the game is going to be good, if KILLZONE 2 was on the 360 they would defend it with their lives like they do with all their games. But its whatever I guess, I know the AI in KILLZONE 2 will be good when the game is done so theres no worries. They got the graphics down and the gameplay looks like its coming along well, all they have left is the AI.

[Relientk77]

*sigh*

EGM what are you saying... ur stupid ****

First off:
Killzone 2 is not complete and Halo 3 is

so therefore ur "so called" comparision is 100% completely worthless

i could go on but i wont you guys understand

[IRONMAN457]

Hyprocrite, and yea youll see what, four new things in HALO3, yea itll be so great, with the same outdone crap i dealt with two prequels before

[xplosneer]

I'm not going to comment on the Halo part, but if Xbox 360 owners think EGM is a joke and Ps3 fans say EGM is a joke EGM is now 200% a joke. :D

[hardmetal]

Well , maybe there was nothing special in halo 3 so they ended up with comparing it to a game in alpha stage only to make halo 3 looks a little better.

lol

[notpill]

1UP.com is a video-game site owned and operated by Ziff Davis Media, publisher of popular videogame magazines Games for Windows...

[Baba1906]

its so funny how people start talking about the ps3 in general as if this had anything to do with it. this is just a stupid award to an unfinished game. so stop crying around. i think everyone will sooner or later see that the award is worth nothing.

i could also hand out an award for damn stupid article to egm. but who cares =D.

[sleepbox]

Funny how all of these Sony milk drinkers are convinced that the crappy studio like Guerilla is all-of-the-sudden good at making games when all their prior games have been total trash. Pretty graphics or not, the AI in Killzone 2 will (unless there is a miracle) SUCK. But EGM was a bit rash judging a pre-alpha but, perhaps, they are just predicting the future.

[Baba1906]

thats the point its just some prediction.but well maybe you are right. maybe the game will stink, but maybe it wont. but a maybe doesnt deserve an award and comparison to an almost finished game. =D

[mightydog01]

yeah and here we are.. 360fanboys trying to trash talk ps3 games again. we hear all the BS talk trying to really trash ps3 when the ps3 is the better system, and great games will be coming to over shadow the 360 game,s and killzone2 might be one of those games and microsoft puting out bad fibes to blind fools like yourself.

[pilotpistolpete]

The fact is that I doubt anyone at 1up played a complete and final build for Halo 3, and they "maybe" played the demo of KZ2. So they are kinda shooting in the dark here.

KZ2 got a bit of a bad rap about the AI in the demo, but there was always the added footnote about how it is an early build. 1up is giving this award to a game that was shown so little gameplay? And on a demo that usually has dumbed down AI for presentation purposes?

1up should have the "most quick to judge a game" award.

But the final "1up are d*ck" point here is that KZ2 couldn't be awarded best graphics due to the fact that it is not done yet. duh!

[ion666]

why cant we just play games.getalong or i'll tell serpentor!.

[joevfx]

they are slowing digging themselves into a hole and becoming the Enquirer of video game mags.

[SIX]

The AI in killzone liberation really impressed me.

[Skerj]

I thought I was the only one who would have brought that up. I'm calling BS on this simply because I did play KZL on the PSP and the AI on there was so good it pissed me off sometimes. And that was a PSP game that came out how long ago?

[Charlie2688]

I cant believe EGM are THAT desperate

I guess EGM is no longer going downhill they are going free fall XD

[Funky Town_TX]

EGM did not say that Halo3 was going to have better AI. At current state it's better. I hope Halo3 is the sh8t and I hope Killzone 2 is better. I will be playing both. I want all games coming out on every console to be great. I hate spending money on garbage games (FEAR, and Forza 2). Good games should be purchased and played.

[demolitionX]

I am happy xbots people are critisizing KZ AI now, cause GG are aware of rumors complaining about AI. they still have time to enhance AI, looks those xbots wants AI as difficult as u can't go through the first level!!!!!!!!!!!!lol
everything has limit?

[tk]

Wow... they are absolutely desperate for bad news to do this. The pre-alpha build tested? It is like comparing the CG intro movie and make a call on the AI based on that.

Someone is getting desperate to post bad news for the PS3. With the Warhawk, Lair, HS review fiasco - and now this... these sites lost all credibility. Crash and burn baby - even hardcore XB360 supporters will question the validity of this BS.

[BLACKJACK VII]

Didn't SONY promise this game at 1080p & 60fps ????

http://www.digitalbattle.co...

[Wii60_FTW]

Fony promised a lot of things. Lucky for them, their "loyal" fans are monkeys.

[GRAMPAGAMER]

at that rate I'm sure NPC's will be able to help you with your pre-calculus, give you some excellent Dating advise, and read a 7000 page novel in between levels.

with a the year left to finish killzone,..it should be fine.

.... by then bungie will figure out how to squeeze the entire halo 3 game into the nintendo DS.

[Geewhizz]

Think of it this way instead. A pre alpha kz2 graphically compares easily with gold halo3 so, all they can slate is ai. What will be next? the sound effects in halo3 are better than kz2? lol @ egm because kz2 is so awsome that this is the best they can do.

[ParaDise_LosT]

Pre Alpha stage?....
I mean the Deadline is in..like..what...6months?....

Something fishy there -.-

[DJ]

I'm sure they'll aim to hit alpha status by next summer, and then do the public beta for multiplayer (which I hear is phenomenal in what they're trying to achieve).

[Wii60_FTW]

phenomenal compared to what? anything but Halo 3?

[Jdash24]

so comparing a game thats still in production to one thats already gone gold and is going to be in my hand in the weeks to come is a fair comparison?

[PimpHandHappy]

Did i see they compared a game that is finished to a game that is still a year away?

wow

ok

Can we compare Drakes to Alan Wake? ummmm no we cant but maybe maybe in a few months when Drakes is a few weeks away some of you will.

this thread will get all the haters out in force and im not jumping into this rucuss

back to warhawk

peace

[Kazzik]

I agree this comparison is way to early in KZ2 life to be comparing it to a title that releases in a few week's. On the other hand to call EGM bias is pretty funny to. I guess you guys do not really realize what would happen if this were true. Why did they review blue dragon low when a lot of other site's gace it a higher score?

There was also other publication's who were not to impressed with killzone's AI like people standing still while getting shot, jumping to the wrong side of a barricade and not attacking the player character even though a enemie right beside the one being shot was getting hammered. Let's all hope that guerilla game's fixe's these problem's and they do still have alot of time.

The bottom line is KZ2 is the best looking console game so far in my eye's(COD4 is the only thing that come's close)but graphic's do not make the. Right now the AI is crappy but again they have alot of time to fix it and i am pretty sure they will. Lets all just hope they release something much better than killzone 1 because that game sucked hard.

[ApocalypseShadow]

lets compare a 5 year online service to a just getting started free online service.

lets compare a download service to a service that hasn't even started yet.

lets compare games in 360's second year to games in ps3's first year.instead of first year to first year.

lets compare multiplatfrom game ports from 360 to ps3 when devs have had 2 years to program on what is basically a pc with 3 cpus to a system with a foreign processor that has barely had one year dev time.

lets compare the size of the amount of games 360 has to ps3 that has a smaller selection because of time on market.

lets compare reviews of that large amount of games to that small amount of games.

lets compare systems sold based on 2 years and one that hasn't been out 1 year.

lets compare A.I. of a finished game to a game that is not even finished.not even close to being finished.

fanboys gone wild.you're too quick to jump to conclusions based on someone else's views and responses.

ps3-the slow cooked meal.

i heard through remote play you can play halo3 on zune this fall?

......................mag lev super train.................

[risk]

lets compare.

live gets owned by Xfire

halo gets owned by Half-life
halo multiplayer gets owned by Counter-strike
1080P? 720P? ive been playing those resolutions for the past 10 years.(yes i played original GTA in 480P) GOURUNGA FTW

all fanboys need to relax go outside, try to get laid or something...cuz being a fanboy on the internet is only going to result in one thing. you bending over and taking it in the ass.

[soccerluv]

let's continue to wait

let's continue to wait

let's continue to wait, b3yond

That could make a great song.

[Bazookajoe_83]

But who knows, they havent realy been that bright before ;-)

[arbiter971]

The whole article was about builds at E3. This isn't an "end-all" award show. Just how it was at E3.

Since the blurbs are next to each other, it's understandable that idiots wouldn't actually think.

[fopums]

its awful hot in here, oh my these flames are burning somthin fierce!

in a sersiousness though I think they just want to try and rain on KZ2's parade, the A.I. is probably the only negetive these guys were able to find and they hoped all over it.

KZ2, crysis and COD4 were the best looking games at E3 and giving Bioshock best graphics is pure fan service, dont get me wrong the game does look very good.

[sak500]

WOw the whole industry is against sony and ps3. Maybe MS paid all of them? Or wait a moment, Sony hyped thier POS so high and once again under delivered it on all fronts. Other than blind fonies rest of the industry caught their bluff this time around and are now really comparing each and every little ps3 title with what sony wanted everyone to believe its POS machine was capable of. I'm sure sony wouldn't cry wolf again for ps4 or even if they did, even less idots would buy into it.

Sorry replace POS with Ps3 or vice versa.

[shysun]

lol..EGM must need some publicity.Picking on a game one year away and the devs said the AI wasn't finished yet.You can hear it in the same demo that was shown to them.Boo to EGM.Whats up with Haze,Cod4,UT3,Masseffect,HS,R& amp;C..you know, the games do out THIS year!pssstt

[Xbox is the BEST]

truth is out. We're sorry Sony fanboys. :(

[jackdoe]

Sad, sad, sad. Why are you giving out awards without hands on experience? It's like a gaming magazine giving Final Fantasy XIII best JRPG award based on a video. I thought that was a no no in journalism? And I am sure that there are other games with better AI than Halo. Maybe Bioshock since it came out after E3? Seriously. What the hell EGM. And I am sick and tired of all you fanboys mudslinging each console. Halo 3 looks sick and to deny that is to be stupid. And Killzone 2 looks sick as well. Smart AI isn't that important in a shooter, at least to me. As long as they shoot at me I am cool with it. They won't be alive long enough to display any intelligence anyway.

[FullyLoaded420]

Before: KZ2 will own Halo3

Now: Too early!!

Funny idiot fanbiotchez!!!

Written from my iPhone

[Dark Assassin]

I talked to a few guys at gamepsot and I mentioned that Lair has been getting mixed reviews. But he said the game is amazing and said you shouldnt listen to reviews all the time. Go rent it. If you like it buy it. The other two guys agreed. But I dont know. And ya Killzone 2 AI will be great when it comes out. This is like the 2nd game I want on my most wanted list. Behind Metal Gear Solid 4.

[Dark Assassin]

Jackdoe I agree with most of the stuff that you said. In every respect. But I kinda like choosing sides. You know you got the people who like all 3 companys. people who only like Nintendo, people who only like Microsoft, and people who only like Sony. I choose Sony.

[vickers500]

Hmm... IGN or EGM, which is more credible?

[jackdoe]

Ign of course. I find that EGM's editor-in-chief Dan Hsu to be a bit buyable. Specially after that issue where he advertised his Gametap Space Ghost segment.

[ElementX]

Maybe I'm completely wrong, and correct me if I am....

However if developers focus entirely on graphics and then add complex AI later on, do graphics take a hit because of the processor power needed for AI?

[kornbeaner]

If developers use all the system resources when first making the game for graphics then anything added to that after (A.I., physics, effects,etc) will affect that portion of the game.

I wasn't the one who disagreed with you, but the fact that someone did is funny. People cant even ask a simple question without getting flamed on.

[Wii60_FTW]

KZ1 has sh*t for AI. Halo 1 had amazing AI. Nuff said.

EDIT: first of all, I'm not sure what you said since you speak like a monkey. Second, huh? Last I checked, KZ1 and Halo 1 are both out.

Typical Sony zombie. Thanks for the reply ;)

[mightydog01]

what you wrote sounds retarded the games are not out yet fool??????

[heavyarms]

I for one i'm glad this came out. I watch that killzone2 video and when i saw the AI just not do anything i was like, wtf. I want to buy this game but the AI will need to be drastically improved. And for that other gaming site saying that the AI on the video was great, just freaking wow are you serious. Any gamer can tell you that the AI in that video of killzone2 was one of the worst AI ever if not the worst next to the dinosauors of turok. So yeah, i'm glad someone is saying something about this because something will get done about it, well i'm wishing something gets fixed.

[MRMagoo123]

I think kz2 is goona be great no matter what some crappy mag says i think they should just get new jobs cos there not good at what they do

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

PS3=PWNED by everything 360

[redsymphony]

EGM sux

[IRONMAN_357X7]

and EGM sux. If running into cars is smart then wtf are they talkin about?

[ASSASSYN 36o]

I have been saying killzones A.I. sucks since I saw the first game play trailer. Enemy standing ground under fire and not using cover. The review sounds right tom me. True it is a early build but you sony boys didn't care when you bashed halo 3. What comes around flips a beatch and comes back around.

[jackdoe]

Fanboys are allowed to bash all they want for reasons that are not entirely sane. Like comparing a beta or an alpha build to a game that was 99.9999% complete for example. Journalists usually are supposed to follow a stricter code. They do not in this case, hence all the outrage. Plus, they did not merely state that the AI was subpar, they also gave an E3 award to it. Which is just plain crazy to tell you the truth. It was a freaking video. It's like EGM giving Halo 3 a worst graphics award when the beta test came out. I agree that the AI did seem pretty dumb. They should have mentioned that in their preview, not in a damn E3 Awards section. Seriously. Hope to god that Ziff Davis bites the big one, they're already close to bankrupt, and that Dan Hsu loses his job. Didn't trust that guy since he interviewed Space Ghost.

[reaperxciv]

so much hate by sony fans

this site isn't fun anymore...

GAME ON!

[Foliage]

Remember when the COD4 image comparison was shown and all the xbots cried and cried about how the 360 version was supposedly two builds behind? (At my company, builds are released 1-3 times a week for our games, and we are working with multiple titles. The key word there was "week".)

Now Xbots jump at this as some kind of proof when Killzone 2 is a year away.

Typical Xbox fans. Selective hearing, zero common sense. Killzone 2 which is a year away has proven that at it's primitive stage it can compete with Halo 3 easily. How is this bad for Killzone 2? I missed the spin by not reading the comments.

[DaEnforcer]

Things like AI is polished mostly at the end, even Half Life 2 had AI bugs and hundreds of other games which in the end turned out great. Sony pumped like 20 million in this title, so I'm pretty sure they will get ridd of these AI bugs.

[Meus Renaissance]

The sad thing is that some ignorant individuals here actually believe in this and so play their doomsday trumpet aimed at Sony. Wow. It's this the time I'm meant to say "360 FTW" eh?

People are so afraid of KillZone's potential, they'll swallow any negative press and become silent when screens and videos flood N4G. Peculiar isn't it

[MarioFromTexas]

And I would still buy it.....This game looks insane and if the A.I. wants just to sit there that fine with me cause I'll have a blast shooting the hell out of them in this goreous game. Phuck all of you xbots and your motha's. Yo momma has the dumbest A.I.

[Bathyj]

Way to go EGM, wearing your colours on your sleeve like a good little xbot. You make me FKN sick. No wonder magazines are nearly dead.

RIP journalistic integrity.

[The Karate Kid]

Bottom line is Killzone 2 is 4 TIMES the game HALO 3 will be from processing to memory to AI to everything. Killzone will be the most technically advanced game ever released on a console! IGN, GAMESPOT, EGM....they all can say what they wanna say and they all can do what they wanna do, KILLZONE 2 WILL "SHOCK YOU".

Sorry XBOY FANS XBOT LOSERS............

Metal Gear Solid 4
Gran Turismo 5
Final Fantasy 13
Killzone 2
Grand Theft Auto 4
White Knight Story
Tekken 6

All these games will ROCK -2008- ON PS3 NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!

[Daxx]

I knew this article would wind up here someday.

After flipping through this issue of EGM a week ago and seeing the Smart AI/Dumb AI thing I thought to myself "Man, if that ever went onto N4G it would be the biggest flame war ever." Well it looks like what I thought came true. :P

[Saint Sony]

A.I in Killzone2 (videos) is like watching Invasion of the Body Snacthers. They just stand there and look at you, I always wait them to rise their hand towards you and start screaming.

Killzone2 looks ok, but visuals does not make the game good. A.I. is one of the biggest things that makes games really good. I assume Killzone2 is not intended to be zombie slaughter fest and therefore it really needs a good A.I to be believable.

I think that Ubisoft who long long time ago said out loud that A.I in Assassin's creed works so much better in 360 than in PS3, told us the truth even though they kinda denied it later because of the super flamewars and mayhem amongst PS3 owners. Yep, truth hurts.

[stennexxx]

EGM DAYS ARE RUNNING THIN. THEY ARE A LAME EXCUSE FOR A GAMING MAGAZINE. KINDA LIKE EA IS FOR GAMING.

[IRONMAN_357X7]

running into a car isnt retarded?
taking cover and not even defending yourself is smart?
throwing grenades on yourself is INTELLIGENT? THIS HALO3 crap
HERE I AM, seeing the actual updated news about the HELGAN ARMY as they:
bumrush you as you reload
take cover to every piece they can find
Smack the crap out of you when close
BUT INSTEAD comparing HALO3 with a final build with crappy AI, and a beta phase which has alreAdy updated its AI is smart right?

[Pika-pie]

People just enjoy bashing PS3 games.

If they cant bash the graphics then they will bash the AI. Brainwashed Bots just cant accept that the PS3 also has great games.

[Dogswithguns]

and 1Up sucks as always. their magazine is only 12 pages thick. and they're always comparing games. a while back it was Gears and Halo. they always saying Halo is the best thing. which they're wrong. Halo sucks, the worse.

[N4GayFanturds]

MS was showing of Perfect Dark Zero? And you Sony F@gs were adamently comparing it to Killzone 2 (in-studio) video.

Now look at ya. Same BS you say @ EGM, goes for Sony.