IGN: Kinect vs. Move: Let The Court Decide

IGN editors go head-to-head, making their case for which new motion control peripheral deserves your hard earned money this holiday season.

[Dark360]

Uh-Uh

Trolls incoming in 3.2.1...

LOL

[Nitrowolf2]

Kind of obvious that they would pick Kinect
within in the first 30seconds of the video "Oh whats that? None of the IGN editor are excited about the Move" Pretty much they are putting it down before they even started.

Regardless this is all opinion of which is better. For me MOVE since the games. But which one would i say has more Potential? Prob. Kinect, now that doesn't mean it will be accurate and all i am just saying it has more potential like being able to play differently, where as Move could work on any game.

[seinfan]

Both are a waste of money.

As for the video: the guy says he doesn't want to be kicking air and just wants to sit and point. I'll raise him one thing further and say I don't want to point at all. It's retarded.

[Godmars290]

No one should be judging either based on their games at this point - because they just came out.

[Tinted Eyes]

Lol they basically gave it to kinect on the hope it will be good, IGNorant

[gamingdroid]

I kind of agree, almost all the experiences available for the hardcore on the PS Move is better done on the controller with the DS3.

The only game I have seen that might be some minor advantage is the gladiator mini-game and the table tennis in Sports Champion. Everything else is a different, but a degraded experience. I see no reason to put myself through that.

Right now, if I were to play a motion control between PS Move or Wii, I would pick Wii hands down. Primarily because the games are fun regardless of it's inaccuracy that by the way is pretty much fixed with Wii Motion Plus.

Sports Champion was as dull and lifeless as could be especially with the f'ud controller scheme with one wand. You really need two (and navigator support would make Gladiator so much better). Right now the Gladiator game is essentially on rails!

Sony needs to get on the ball and get me some fun family party games or get me some hardcore experience that isn't better with the DS3! I'm hoping Sorcerer will be good.

I want to mention that Ruse is better with the wand, but not good enough to play. RTS is still king on PC!

That said, the guy supporting the PS Move acknowledging he is overweight is the guy that needs Kinect the most!

[Lawliet]

Right... Why am I not surprise? I don't hate IGN, but I see this video as another paid promotion by Microsoft. You have the MOVE vs Kinect, while having a guy who completely do nothing just standing there wearing a T-shirt of "I LOVE GeoW". Put that aside, you can hear how desperate the guy sound for speaking the Kinect. It is like he is sucking clays with a straw, and couldn't find any positive thing to talk about. Just like the Kinect, even commenting on it is limited... All he say is "Innovation", they admit that the MOVE is just an Enhance version of the Wiimote, but they can't admit that the Kinect is an Enhance version of the Eyetoy?! OH! IGNorant!

[oohWii]

That shit was funny if for no other reason because I know it was piss off a shit load of PS3 fanboys.

[Dragon_Hiko]

Ok this isn't directed at you exactly Lawliet, but there's seriously something I have to wonder. Does anyone mind the fact that every tv, vcr, sound system ect remote control ALL ARE BASICALLY THE SAME!? They look the same, they interact with the device in the same way! How about video game controllers? all the playstation controllers, the xbox's all of nintendo's old controllers, sega's, ALL OF THEM ARE BASICALLY THE SAME!! Did anyone care? Did Atari sue the second guy to use a bloody controller? NO!! Get over the fact that the move looks like and interacts with games in a similar fashion as the wii-mote!! GET THE HELL OVER IT!! Now get on with the fact that it does motion gaming 5 times better than the wii-mote can ever hope to do...thanks.

[Lawliet]

Part of my thought exactly. They gave it to Kinect simply base of "Innovation" which really send me wondering How did it innovates?!? Is motion controlling an Innovation when you have Atari powerglove done that back in the 80s! Same goes with the Eyetoy and the Kinect concept! Most of technology nowadays is none other than an ENHANCEMENT to a late technology. Nothing so far as of yet is an Innovation...! Yet they use that as the main point to Kinect winning? Oh really now..

[Bigpappy]

It is obvious that Kinect is the clear winner. Just look at how it is selling. It is being embraced by just about everyone.

Why is that? It is UNIQUE! I works very well as an emersive (You are in the Game) device. Anyone can just walk up and use it, NATURALLY. Do you even have any idea how many people sit and watch others enjoy and controll characters on screen and would love to join, but just don't because they fear controllers? Now they can have just as much fun as you do when you play KZ.

No one really knows how big Kinect will become. There are other people out there who have been working with motion tech before M$. They could very well come up with something that take what is being done with Kinect to a higher level. Not very likely, but possible.

Try to see things for what they are, instead of wishing on a star.

[Boody-Bandit]

Maybe the 500 million dollar marketing campaign has a little something to do with it. /s

[LogicalFanboy]

but when it came to reviews, they scored Move alot higher than Kinect....i dnt get it. its obviously just a flamebait article -__-
a bored week obviously

[nnotdead]

Ralph Baer and Magnavox Odyssey says different.

[BillOreilly]

Well kinect is innovative while the public sees move as wii hd. I like kinect because its different, i already played wii. Kinect has more and better games. The only thing move has is support for upcoming games but id rather use a controller anywys(who wouldnt). Kinect has more potential for future games because they already have tons of new cool kinect only games on the way, move has added support to games where a dualshock works better. The choice is obvious to all fairminded folks.

[Redrum059]

*comment removed by the Government*

[Biggest]

"I like kinect because its different"

You do know by now that you could have bought the EyeToy and experienced what you get with Kinect. I'm sure you've seen it mentioned a few hundred times. It isn't a lie. Go spend $40 and try it out. It'll be like a demo for the Kinect!

[Lawliet]

@JokesOnYou
Am I missing the point or are you just confuse here? No to offense, but you somehow just contradict with yourself right there.

I am the one here trying to proof to you that there is no INNOCENCE here, because all I heard from your ranting is the unbalance of this community where PS3 fanboys are the only ones bitching around here which isn't true! While truth is that both party share just the same amount of guiltiness! "Would it favor you if the community biased towards Xbox360 more?!" I certainly believe things wouldn't be any different..

One thing caught my attention here is about your assumption. It is rather oddly hilarious. You make it sound like the whole PS3 users flood into n4g and flew the Xbox360 users just because the site is to u as a biased to PS3. Go around any site Gamespot,IGN,GameInformer,Game trailer... Or even VGchartz and Kotaku, and compare their 2006 record to today's record. The PS3 users ARE INCREASING! Not because every of those users just flood a site of their preferable... It doesn't make any sense! Just because it looks like the Xbox360 fanboys are decreasing among here doesn't necessarily mean they flew off to other sites where everyone would agree with their opinion. Why can't it be that they brought a PS3 and they simply love it? Or they just quit gaming, or even tired of this fanboys war? Why does it have to be that everyone(Xbots) leaving off this site? Think about it a..

About Sony being arrogance. Tell me about it. Tell me one arrogant attempt Sony made or said. Is it something to do with the Price? Or the sales? People doesn't know the manufactured cost of the PS3 is heavy! The statistic and graph used are no more than a target, not an action to brag and tell u "WE WILL THIS SELL FIGURE" So I never believe that BS! It is to tarnish a company's reputation, an illustration. Smells like jealousy. If you want to talk about arrogant, no man in world is more arrogant than Aaron Greenberg bragging about their sales.

Opps post it on a wrong section. Just above ya don't think your gonna miss it anyway. If you did, well Ignorant u are man... Or perhaps somebody could create a repost for me lols

[edhe]

For those that complain about MS marketing their product:
That's what companies are meant to do, just because sony *don't* market their stuff well doesn't mean other companies shouldn't.

[JokesOnYou]

Ouch, even IGN is labeling move as wii in HD. Unfortunately as soon as I saw sony's E3 presentation I knew it would be very hard for sony to get away from that label. I mean right off the back of wii's great success, they make a device thats almost a copy and paste of wii-mote. The upside is at least it has some common gameplay mechanics that should offer more options for core games without having to come up with unique gameplay ideas like kinect. I mean even if it is wii in HD thats pretty damm good 'cause I've always wanted to play better looking hardcore type games with better motion controls. As for kinect, although of course many will say its just a eyetoy, but the fact is eyetoy never had real software and its clear sony never believed or supported it, while micro is definitely doing so much more in terms of tech, games and support, including implementing it into the 360 dashboard & xbox live.

[Lifendz]

You're really personally invested in this stuff huh? If IGN had picked Move you would've dismissed the article. They didn't so you're trying to rub it in? And they say the PS3 fanboys are ruining this site.

[EVILDEAD360]

wrong place

[Lawliet]

JokesOnYou is a hypocrite, he talks about how bad n4g community is, about the hypocritical and double standard. But look at him.. He IS one of those people trying to act like neutral. While what he doesn't realize is that his every word show his intention. We all know he is just another Xbots trying to act. Probably that is the reason why he chose Kinect.

[Boody-Bandit]

Well we all know who plays that card on N4G.

IGN, like most gaming sites, stop being relevant ages ago. If you need another persons opinion to validate yours then you obviously don't believe in your opinion to begin with. I don't own either but have played both for a fair amount of time. Clearly one is geared towards a narrow market while the other can be implemented to work with anything.

Since when is being compared to the Wii a bad thing? Last I checked Nintendo has sold more Wii's than Sony and MS combined. Isn't that what matters most to the average N4G member? Oh wait, that too is only relevant when it supports individual bias.

Funny how so much weight is put into numbers and the lame bias tabloid media these days. Why is that? These sites say what ever will fan the flames the highest and the fanboys fall for it hook line and sinker every time.

My opinion on these devices is if I am going to use motions I don't want to just go through the motions of playing games. I want to actually feel connected to them. Without a controller (buttons and analog sticks) in my hand I feel disconnected (no that was not an intentional pun) from the games. Therefore Kinect lacks immersion for me "personally".

[JokesOnYou]

@Lifendz, if they had picked move I would have either ignored the article or disagreed with them, thats it. Unlike some people who always hate ONLY when they dont like what they hear. Check my history, I dont attack sites for their opinions, at most if I feel a site is biased I link ALL their latest news threads for a given time period and only THEN I point out that they seem to be bias towards a certain platform. Actually theres very few things that annoy me, I have a pretty good tolerance for everthing except crybabies who swear the world has turned on them at the least hint of bad news. Do people really go throw life thinking everybody should always agree with them, IGN did nothing wrong they just made a choice using a half funny skit. It goes both ways, sooner or later they will do one that favors ps3, but what I hate most is that many of the same folks who hate them now will then accept it as gospel.

@Lawliet, I talk about the n4g community being biased against the 360, I show proof with many positive 360 threads being full of known ps3 loyalists trolling almost every positive 360 thread with negative comments, also of course any hint of negative 360 news is filled with the same ones basicly agreeing whole heartedly with the author no matter how suspect the BS is. I dont follow anything ps3 related *consistently, in fact even now theres some not so positive GT5 threads floating around, do you see me in any of them trolling, rarely do I comment on anything specifically related to ps3 only, at times when I do read them I may respond to a member making a ridiculous off topic comment, etc, the only connection I have with ps3 is that Iam a gamer and as I've said before Iam proud owner of a ps3, however I have made it very, very, CLEAR 360 is hands down my favorite console and I feel no shame what so ever saying so, at the same time I don't hate ps3, if I come off a bit harsh sometimes its only because I point out the BS from so many extreme ps3 fanboys, sometimes the medicine is sweeter when you let them taste it for themselves, lol if ya know what I mean. btw dont ever, ever call me UNbiased because I'm not and I have never ever pretended to be....I would hope, I could be FAIR despite my preferences, but of course I'm human and occasionally I fail, but I really don't give a shiii personally what you think. lol

[DeadIIIRed]

Well I'm gambling that they both fail and conversations about how either can be employed for use with core games is the real joke here. The company I'll consider a winner is the one who comes out of this with minimal loss. Unfortunately for MS they took a huge leap of faith with all those expenses they'll have to post this quarter. Kinect will make or break MS's gaming division. Those words should be sending your face into your palm.

[lowcarb]

I honestly don't think you guys understand what kind of people have ruined this site. Look in the mirror you one sided insecure whining trolls and you will quickly discover your talking about yourself.

[Lawliet]

@JokesOnYou
I have know this community for a long time now. I don't usually comment down the section, or even bother with it, I'm just here to see what's new and I'm gone. However at time I do take notice, and if you've been around not just in n4g.com, the whole of internet gaming discussion board during 2004-2007. The ratio back then against the PS3 community is 1:10!

U should have seen how the Xbots trolling and bashing the PS3 everywhere including the PS3 main site with their infamous tag "PS3 GOT NO GAMES", "FLOP GAMES HS,LAIR,HAZE!! SUXOR", "THE POWER OF PS3 THE CELL!!!", "DELAYSTATION", "PSN IS GARBAGE", "LAG ONLINE SERVERS", "BLUE RAY IS NOT NEEDED!", "BLUE RAY FLOP!", "BLUE RAY VS DVD. DVD WON BY MILES!", "PS3 = FODDING". All these happened merely just 3months of the start of PS3's life cycle. But that did not stop Sony, it's an astonishing accomplishment from them to make it this far, they answer the critics, shut them up one after another like squashing cockroaches and win their hearts. These days anyone(Xbots) putting those tags obviously would've get BASH!

The Xbots said all that, but as time passes by the quality of the PS3 start to show great potential differences of other console. BluRay disc succeed, Triple A titles keeps flashing out, PSN community gets healthier and the features start to flourish. SO MUCH have been improved that the Xbots get soured by the second.

If you speak of facts such as "RRODs", "PS3 now have tons of Triple A games", "PS3 graphics already surpassed the Xbox360", "PSN is really good now" and more.. Well, they will never admit, as they are hard done by it! Then they become delusional and out-of-sense. People like POG still think GeoW has the best graphic.. And could argue with you all day long without any proof to his claim. Then link you to bullshots and ask you to compare them to others in-game graphic. Instantly this sort of user became famous, well famous in retard category that every time you see POG without even the need to read his comment, u know he is BS. Disagree and burst bubble, u know u done the right thing.

Anyway, it isn't the community here being biased against the 360 when you look back at those past historic. It only base on one simple fact is that the install base of the PS3 is increasing daily, and people just favoring the PS3 more than the Xbox360 now..

One thing I hate about is that people would come off believe that the site is run by blahblahblah as to a site's background base upon what they see today, and completely forgotten about the past.

n4g.com itself is neutral site because they don't write articles, they don't give off opinions. Unlike places such as vgchartz.com and Kotaku.com where the mod actually imposes themselves as a user to create flamewar! They are jokes.

And JokesOnYou, you gave a fair opinion, of what you think is 'right', but like I said above, and hope you think twice.

[JokesOnYou]

@DeadIIIRed, well gamble all you want, its your money, but I'd say alot of the bets against the 360 this gen have left alot naysayers on the losing end.

@Lawliet, sorry but you've been drinking the koolaid, long before I joined this site and started commenting I read my fair share of n4g, one thing is undeniable ps3 fans were NEVER INNOCENT victims, 360 fans were taunted and bashed for a whole year, while loyal ps3 only fans waited for the ps3 launch, it was the constant "lol, look at 360 launch lineup", "damm 360 only sold_____, JUST WAIT until ps3", "ps3 will outsell 360 in 6months", "why buy a 360 M$ will stop supporting it after 4 or 5 years", "360 only game is Halo" on and on, with every bit of positive news and of course negative news was met with hate and rants about how much better ps3 would be. I recall so many times wishing the ps3 had launched when the 360 did just so we could end the ridiculous speculation of "OMG teh power of the cell" will cook you breakfast. And who can forget how much of that was directly related to sony's arrogant attitude based on the ps2 success, the media and "xbots" as you call us only rightfully called sony out on their own rhetoric when their hype didn't meet expectations. Again nothing against sony, they eventually changed much of that, even they admitted they were arrogant in so many words, but thats water under the bridge, just dont stand there and give me all that victim BS. The fact that less 360 fans now visit n4g has nothing to do with there being more ps3 fans now, maybe they see it as a waste to bother with a site that is unbalanced just as many ps3 fans may see other 360 biased sites as a waste of time, either way neither side are victims but that doesn't mean I can't say that NOW this site is biased against the 360, for the record I wouldn't like it if biased against the ps3, I'd rather it be generally fair but hey its the internet and it is what it is, actually its in my nature to not go along with the crowd, so I figure I fit in well here. lol

[8thnightvolley]

XD... ps3 fans most be pissed... wii HD.. mmmm has a good ring to it..

[fedex682]

They call Move a Wii HD and totally forget eyetoy! losers.

[Nitrowolf2]

people will argue that Kinect is not the same as the eyetoy. All what it is an upgraded eyetoy, nextgen version of it. Eyetoy introduced the hand free of controller it just wasn't a hit. I will admit Move is pretty much an upgraded wii controller.

[Anorexorcist]

Sure the Move isn't quite revolutionary in it's direct architecture, since it is really just a more accurate and precise version of the Wii remote. But to basically disparage the Move on that basis and not even REMOTELY bring up the point of the Kinect as just an enhanced or HD version of the Eyetoy shows IGN's ignorance and stupidity.

Bottom F'n Line: Kinect stems from the same basic technological architecture of the Playstation Eyetoy, so slamming the Move for being some rip-off of the Wii and not giving equal treatment in that regard for Kinect is plain f'n ignorant and reeks of hyperbolic BS.

Forget about what can be. As it all stands NOW, Kinect is in no way any significant advancement (at least in application) over the Eyetoy. That is the truth. So why would Kinect be more worthy of gamer's dollars this holiday season?

Does a huge promotional budget automatically make something worthy? No. Window's Vista and Satellite Radio is proof of that.

[JokesOnYou]

and the Wright Brothers didn't make the first airplane, but the others before them either didn't have the resources(too early) or the guts to stay with it and produce the first pratical airplane. Nintendo made motion controls popular thus folks will always credit them for the success of motion control gaming. Sony failed to push eyetoy as alternative type of motion control device, they themselves as many of you have pointed out passed on the tech/idea without buttons, and finally they still failed to implement it in a meaningful way with a standard controller, which basicly made the eyetoy nothing more than a niche peripheral. Whereas micro is pushing the tech to do both controller free and hybrid games, like it or not that makes a huge difference.

[GamerSciz]

The MOVE is not an upgraded Wii. Truth is the technology used on the Wii is the same as Kinect. Infrared lasers. The Wii has 6 of them to denote which way the controller is moving. The Kinect has tons of them to be able to recognize your body in full at many different points. The PS MOVE doesn't use Infrared technology it uses the eyetoy with built in software to recognize in a 3D space where that ball is and also what color it is adds another factor. It's similar in movement but it's nothing like the Wii technology wise.

OT: IGN is doing this kind of thing for hits but in the long run they are hurting their reputation even more. Notice now IGN has done this segment and G4 did a segment with a 7 yr old girl. Is this still Microsoft's $500 mil being used for post-advertising??

[EVILDEAD360]

LOL @ the IGNorance is pretending Kinect even comes close to the original eyetoy experience..

I owned the original eyetoy and when it came out it was cool for what it did..it put you in the picture and had you interact with the animations..

What it ended up amounting to was 'swatting fake bugs' and barely got any games

Anyone who ACTUALLY plays Kinect knows Kinect adventures, Kinect Sports, and Dance Central etc. are completely different experiences from the Eyetoy

I own a Move and the closest games to the original eyetoy vision are 'Start the Party' and 'Eyepet'

Wii Sports and Wii Sports resort are why even Champions is compared to the Wii and that is heads and tails the best game experience on Move

The worst part is games like Tiger Woods are horribly integrated with Move..I know because I got burned by it..

The Move needs experiences that are unique to it..which Sorcery may turn out to be a good title

But the true standard by which will be make or break for Move is if it actually make an enjoyable experience out of Killzone 3, because if the DS3 is still the far and aweay the best experience to play FPS then the rumblings are going to start like 'what's the point'.

I think dedicated Move enabled FPS servers is a start in the right direction..but again if DS3 rules the day..Move may suffer in the long run

But at the end of the day..Both are still alternatives from the Wii that we didn't have before

Evil

[shoddy]

MS use singer and famous actors, I'm sure that 500mil goes to website too.

[rjdofu]

"It's unlike anything else".... oh yes, it's like the eyetoy, and that's a fact.

[ct03]

Okay. Which Eyetoy game has an ingame Avatar exactly replicating what you do in front of the TV?
Just remind me, I can't think of any title right now.

[cochise313]

it's an upgraded eyetoy duh.

[GodHandDee]

But you're already here?

[zero_gamer]

Kinect = PS Eye Toy rip off.

[mintaro]

Move= wii rip off?

[Motorola]

Move has been in development before wii but they are both similar. Just Move has HD games. They arent the same.

[seinfan]

And Wii is the original rip off.

Rip off as in selling you a gimmick that doesn't work well.

[mintaro]

If wii came out first?

[Beefstew4u]

Go look at the original Eye Toy tech demos on youtube. It was doing the same stuff that move, wii, and kinect are doing right now.

[The real killer]

No, Wii is rip off from the Move becouse Sony was allready busy to make it better, they can even released before Nintendo Wii came out, but they know the have make it just better.

Second, Nintendo have to paid for the use of this tech, Sony not and Microsoft have to buy that rip off eyetoy kinect.

[rjdofu]

At least people don't pull out shit like "OMG, it's so fuking new and innovative that you've never experienced before" when talking about Move.

[Nitrowolf2]

Guys regardless of who had and showed the idea off first, Nintendo beat them to the punch when they introduced it to the market. Point is those 76Million Wii owner are not going to now that nor are the average PS3 owner and average consumers. They will just go based off of which one came first.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

PS Move, similar to Wii Experience, but different tech.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[mintaro]

So I don't control the move and wii with wands. They seem really similar to me.

[hoops]

Funny Real Killer. Nintendo was toying around with motion controls well before the Playstation even existed.
It's called the powerglove.
And how can the Wii rip off MOVE when the Wii remote came out to market first?
Does not matter WHO thought of it first. It's WHO brings it to market FIRST.
And MS and Sony ripped off Sega....It's called the DreamEye

MS did not invent motion controls OR Sony. They stood on the shoulders of others and then CLAIM they did and lemmings believe them.

Sega gets major kudos for starting things these consoles are just starting: It's Sony and MS ripping off Sega:

Sega Activator:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Sega DreamEye:

http://retro-treasures.blog...

Sega 3D:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Then you have Nintendo

The Power-Glove..This came out before the PlayStation was even an itch in Kens pants.
So to say Nintendo did not have technology based experience with motion controls before Sony is foolish at best. They worked with motion controllers BEFORE Sony even thought of console gaming.
Yes I know, this is N4G.COM and Sony invents EVERYTHING:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Nintendo Virtual Boy:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Then you have the first motion controller. The Le Stick:

http://classicgames.about.c...

Sony and MS did not invent this.
Give props to Nintendo AND Sega.

[zero_gamer]

The Power Glove is a 3rd party controller, made by the same company that released the Intellivison. Obviously not Nintendo's product.

[hoops]

It was horrific, however case in point. It was a hybrid of motion control based before Sony or MS.
That's the point. People like Real Killer think Sony invented motion controllers OR brought it to market first. That's false.

[Tsar4ever01]

I think of the KINECT as more like an PS EYEtoy part DEUX!!

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

IGNorant?

Best source to talk about this comparisons for sure.

They prove more their Ignorance at 3:11

If they want to do a good comparison, why they don't bring the solid Facts?

[JokesOnYou]

nah, they dish it out both ways with negative 360 stuff and positive ps3 stuff from time to time, but I bet you didn't call them IGNorant when they picked ps3 as the best console in 2006 http://www.joystiq.com/2007... yep and if you look theres been many more positive things from IGN about ps3.
I bet you didn't think they were IGNorant when their preview of move said this:

"Well, IGN editors Ryan Clements and Greg Miller have been waiting, and they just finished a nearly two-hour, private PlayStation Move demo. What they saw put the PlayStation Move on their hot lists, and they want to tell you why they're finally excited for Sony's next big thing."
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/artic...

-No, their only IGNorant when you do NOT agree with their opinion, especially when its done with a admittedly poor attempt at humor. meh, I prefer to just agree or disagree with them occasionally, never hate on any site just because I didn't like their opinion, but hey thats just me.

[gamingisnotacrime]

while the rest of the guys were aiming at the family man looking what to buy on christmas. just like the wii showed, there are more family guys out there than core gamers

[Saint-Revlot]

But the move's the one that's showing it.

[alex3369]

lol you realize kinect came out on the 4th right?

[PS3gamer4life]

Playstation Move better

[lochdoun]

No.

[spektical]

Move. move has actual games not silly apps that track jumping up and down.

[BloodyCHAMP]

and i had no fun what so ever playing move, time crisis was plain garbage, but kinect was so fun and i broke a swet

[GodHandDee]

it will make you sweat like a hooker in a church

[Lyr1c]

LOL

Basing it off of Time Crisis (A niche title) is one of the dumbest things you could do.

[jetlian]

pointing and shooting is what move should do best!! Its on rails for crying out loud and TC USE TO BE GOOD GAMES I still have 2 and 3 for ps2 and 2 guns

[Strikepackage Bravo]

Whats going on at IGN these days. They have turned into one of the most unbiased gaming websites on the net.

I am finding even in their reviews that they are keeping it real and judging solely on the basis of the quality of the product. Most other sites are still playing softball with Sony products, for fear of stirring up the PS3 fanboys, all while holding Ms to a much higher and tougher standard.

Good job IGN, only an idiot would not acknowledge that Move is wii HD, and Sony should not get the credit for Nintendos work and insight.

Nor should they get credit for not thinking enough of their customers to put in a real effort in the motion control arena.
Trying to sell me a black wii with a ball on top and calling it the shockingly clever name "Move" (sarcasm) is insulting.

[jwk94]

Dude, Move isn't a Wii HD, we saw move back in '01, now unless u can show me the wii earlier then it's not a ripoff. Albeit the reason they're releasing it now is because of the Wii's success. And how isn't IGN ignorant? have you seen the review for NUNS2 and Raging Blast 2? That sure was ignorant.
Note: If that sarcasm at the end applied to the whole post, i apologize for my rant.

[gamingisnotacrime]

From a gaming web site...

im speechless. If my girlfriend or niece said oh the move is like just a Wii on PS3, i would understand. BUT from a GAMING web site and supposed to be one of the major ones. This is the tyoe of BS we gaming lovers have to put up with. I said it before and i say it again, only in the video game industry you see such fraqudulent media and nobody cries foul and they keep doing it again and again. shameless

[blackburn5]

Just the growing unprofessionalism that is spreading throughout the gaming world. No more respect. I understand trolls and fanboys calling the Move stupid names but well known sites calling it WiiHD, dildos, lolipops and twin icecream cones? Are they hiring 5 year olds to review things now? @ Strikepackage Bravo. This the third time that I heard someone say that people are afraid of Sony fanboys and that is why the they are soft on Sony's stuff? What BS. No one was ever afraid to diss Sony or us. They do it all the time. They did it with the PS3, they do it with every game, they do it with every thing Sony invests in, they nitpick, scrutinize and criticise everything they do. And even when it succeeds everyone still pisses on it. PS3 owners have been called every name in the book because we supported the PS3. Reviewers and gaming world afraid of what we say? Microsoft must give you guys some strong stuff to smoke.

[seinfan]

lollipops haha. Stupid motion devices.

[GoldPS3]

GTFO of here with that nonsense. Kinect isn't new and exciting. IGN definitely got a cut from the $500m from MS.

[ScorpianusNoir]

Here is a video that explains the innovation of Kinect.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ScorpianusNoir]

I see that I got a disagree and that is fine, but I hope the person who disagreed had the stones to watch the video first. It is less than 5 minutes long and shows how innovative kinect is. Take a look and then you can make a knowledgable decision on your disagreement.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Moonboots]

I disagreed because nothing you showed there shows tracking in 3D space.

All I saw was a fanboy video made by what seems like a Move fanboy.

What argument was even presented there? That those games have been done on Eye? Which takes me back to the first thing I stated. If you hold on to this Kinect is EyeToy then you have not used Kinect and you never owned an EyeToy because anyone who owns both knows that Kinect is tracking on a whole different level.

Should I bust out a DreamEye video and show how much the Eye(funny about that name huh) is doing what they did. If this is about props, then props to Sega.

Let this EyeToy crap rest because the argument has been killed over and over. Both Move and Kinect co-exist in my house and both are enjoyed and both have + and -

[Graphics]

They both terrible right now, but the more interesting tech is kinect, moving your body to me is more better than just moving your hands with a remote. The casual people will most likely buy kinect cause of that simple reason.

[cochise313]

casual people will not but it because of the price.

[clintos59]

Not saying that kinect doesnt have POTENTIAL but move is already a proven product while these IGN morons are basing their FACTS on the potential kinect has in its future yet their isnt one game for it that has proven why it is the better choice of product. They also seen what the move is capable of and had a onstage demonstration of SORCERY which is the best demonstration ive seen thus far of a game taking advantage of move to its strengths, & as u can see harry potter the greatest wizard in theaters flops in its debut with kinect, yes the same addon IGN is trying so hard to convince us is better then the move.

Edit: alex3369 "ummmm lol you realize kinect came out on the 4th right?"

And your point is? I can say the same about the 360 having a year head start over the ps3 but 360 fanboys will ignore that & still act like that 3 million lead is impressive also ignoring the price differentials between the 2 but hey lets give kinect a chance it just barely released on the 4th.

[mmPete]

I am not really biased, but common, saying Kinect is better because it is different?
Just because it is different does not make it better.

[KratosGod3]

Kinect sucks!!! That’s all I have to say. And yes I've played the thing, but no and no.
Is not something new for me, and that’s just my opinion. Not even 500 Million didn’t make me changed my mind by getting move or nether these idiots giving their own reviews putting move down.

[blackburn5]

Who gives a damn what IGN has to say? I could care less if they say Move is great and Kinect is bad or vice versa. Their reviews are some of the most unresonable crap I hear from any site. IGN, Kotaku and Xplay are unprofessional losers. Xplay is an especially big loser with that horrible 'Oh the Move doesn't work' hand failing act they did. So my final word is continue to believe that Kinect isn't an Eyetoy, continue to believe that Kinect got higher scores than Move, continue to believe that Move games aren't cheaper and continue to believe Kinect can do anything and keep believing that Move is just a simple rip off of Wii. But do me a favour and stop approving this kind of rubbish and making these dumb comparisons. It is starting to get on my nerves. @clintos59 you are so right. Move has shown demos what can do and proven that it can do several types of genres. All Kinect has proves so far is that it can do dance and mini games. Everything else barely functional crap.

[TooTall19]

I can't stand IGN.

[solar]

Kinect = MS so it sucks

Move = Sony so it rocks and it will bring Micheal Jackson back from the dead

how hard is it to understand that on N4g?

[kanetheking]

i can do tooo dooood.

[frankrobs3]

SUCKS!!!!!

[PS3gamer4life]

@SOLAR

LOL GOOD 1

[bibs4353]

i cannot believe IGN did this. They are so biased.

Both are unimpressive imo

[ScorpianusNoir]

The PS3 Eyetoy can indeed do Voice Recognition as displayed in the game Singstar, infact it could recognize 20 different lanuages.

[oilahize]

This was stupid. Even if the Kinect is better the arguing in it's favor did nothing to support it. Greg had a few points while the only point used for Kinect isn't even true. Innovative? I think not. It isn't revolutionary but evolutionary. Same goes for the Move. If the judge were to base it on those arguments alone then Move should have one. Daemon would let OJ walk free as well.

[Shackdaddy836]

I don't trust IGN with anything anymore. It's not because of this though. It started when they reviewed BC2. Thats when I realized they were all fanboys.

[etownone]

Eyetoy should be compared to Xbox Vision cam cause they are basically the same.

Move is a direct copy of the Wii ... but better graphics and more accurate. Too bad Sony made it look like a sex toy and game it such a stupid name.

Kinect is just the new Gimmick in gaming. To say its the same as eyetoy is just plain ignorant .... but then again, this is N4G.
i actually packed up my Wii today to trade it in for Kinect.... since i havent touched it in months.

[Lyr1c]

Go away :|

[PS-_-GAMER]

And Dominican girls are the hottest

[ScorpianusNoir]

The PS2 Eyetoy could do it. In 2004, Harmonix released a game called AntiGrav. The player controlled the movements of the character on the screen with the movements of his own body. You can still play the game on a backward compatible unit
Look it up.

[hoops]

Sega brought motion gaming before Sony or Nintendo. It's called the Sega Activator.
Everyone ripped off Sega

[thingmaker]

Shouldn't on-line magazines try to keep their audience united, instead of lighting a bonfire each and ever time. I'm so sick of which is better, the top five, the ten best. How about who the fuck cares? How about that list?

[ScorpianusNoir]

In 2005, Sony released a PS2 game for the Eye Toy called "Kinect", it was in conjunction with Nike motionworks. It was a excercise game that worked with the camera and let the players image appear on the screen while working out.

There was even a sequel called Kinect Combat.

Edit:

@edonus:
It can't be innovastive if it has been done before and Kinect has all been done before. Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Mr Marbles]

you guys sure are upset about this wow.

Come on guys, move is Wii HD, lets be honest.

No big deal, PS3 still has a lot to offer. Motion controls suck anyway who cares if Kinect is better, that stuff is not for us real gamers anyway.

[clrlite]

smells the ign sliding down a deep precipitous slope perhaps, we will see. (lol at them forgetting the eyetoy(LAME))

btw: move definitely kicks ass. I own one and at first I was like "wtf i spent 100 dollars on this bundle". but now i'm like "ahhhh, it's pretty sweet having a PS Move"

[Psychic_Waffle]

This argument has played out for long enough. It's ridiculous the way it continues in every submission that hits this site.

You can like whichever form of motion gaming you want; like them all or none at all. Whatever. It shouldn't matter to you if someone doesn't have the same opinion (though usually more than an opinion is given, if you know what I mean).

It's unfortunate though that people will downplay one device though because they have an agenda of their own, and somehow smearing the reputation of a piece of plastic fits into that.

[Clarence]

All I know is that KInect games don't allow for roaming. You are directed to your next goal. You have no choice but to stand in front of your TV and wave your arms and legs. Buy Kinect you better stay on the path

[SpinalRemains138]

You can tell the Move has more going for it since half the Kinect argument is spent trashing the Move, rather than supporting it's own product. That;s when you know there's trouble. When it's easier to attack the competition than it is to support your own merits, you suck.

[HeartDisease]

no one wants a "wii hd"? anyone care to explain to me how the move is wii hd? hd is a term that is used to describe screen resolution and the move does not have a screen. or do they mean that the ps3 with move is an hd wii? if thats the case they must be suggesting no one would by a ps3. if thats what they mean then they can scrap plans for the wii 2 as that will be hd, and also every new console ever to be made since they will ALL have motion controls.

ive played wii. and when my 10 yr old niece is schooling me in a party game because im trying to get the wiimote to do what its meant to do, there is a problem. wii was horrible, but you could see the awesomeness motion controls can offer given a precise experience. have not tried motion+ and have not tried the move. perhaps when and if there is a game that interests me, i may give the more precise "wii hd" a go. and if there were a kinect game that interests me i would consider giving it a go as well. this will be a long wait so thank god for the awesome line up of games coming our from now till 2012, especailly for ps3.

[IHateYouFanboys]

Kinect wins for me for 1 reason:

when buying an add-on, i want to play games with that add-on that CANNOT be played without the add-on. no kinect games could be played with a standard controller, theyre all made with your whole body as a controller in mind. pretty much every single Move game could be played with the standard controller, but instead youre using a much less precise form of input.

why would ANYONE want to play Killzone 3 with the Move instead of the standard controller? it adds auto-aim, slow and cumbersome aiming, and jerky character animations - yet doesnt offer any advantages.

Move just feels like a different way to play the same games, whereas Kinect is a new way to play new games that couldnt be done before.

[strickers]

You are talking a lot of balls.
Kinect is not a new way to play and some of us have played games a bit longer.You can talk about Kinect being more advanced than Eyetoy BUT the play experience is similar.
Move is incredibly precise and if you you want sharper aiming a pad cannot respond as quickly as Move.
Kinect is very limited,as you will find when you get more experience with it.It will be inferior to pad/Wii/Move with any game worth playing OR it will be full body,so fitness and dance games.
Move has far more potential for games.
Metro.co.uk today reviewed Harry Potter and stated than it proves Kinect is not accurate and responsive enough for fine control games.Enjoy your loose controls.

[IHateYouFanboys]

I've been playing consoles since the atari 2600 - how much longer than that have you been playing console games for?

Kinect is a new way to play. There has never been 3D full body motion control for a console. Never. Eyetoy is the same as kinect in the way that Mario on the SNES is the same as Mario 64 - same basic thing, but one is 2d and one is 3d.

Move has more uses with regular games - no disagrees from me. But like I said, I don't want to play regular games with move/kinect. I want to play games that weren't possible before. Most move games are either possible with a regular controller or with the wii.

That's why kinect wins for me. I don't want to play gears with kinect, nor do I want to play killzone with move. I want full body motion games with kinect, and well I'm not sure what I want with move since the wii has already done basically everything waggle and pointing related. I just know I don't want to play regular games.

[Kran]

OI! PLAYSTATION MOVE GUY... Pointing is rude XD

[Masterchef2007]

I prefer having buttons then none at all so Move for me then

[MK24ever]

PS2 Eye-toy won!!

wait... what?

That's a X360 thing now?... Damn!

[xg-ei8ht]

I'll put it like this.

Move works and works well, tracks 1-1 and has buttons and rumble.

Kinect partially works, lags through movement has no buttons and has no rumble.

THere will be no hardcore games with kinect.

[Clugan]

Kinect's innovations are set to light the world on fire, though they are vague and difficult to imagine. I think the best way of wrapping our minds around what these innovations might be is to look at what Microsoft apparently realized when they created the peripheral:
1) Having actions (buttons) in a game is a dumb idea. Who in their right mind would ever need to change guns/spells, or quaff a health potion?
2) Having the ability to turn/look around is a dumb idea. I mean seriously, after having to do that with our bodies all the time anyway, its nice to get away from that level of realism.
3) Having the ability to shoot in a way that feels natural is a dumb idea. Just point at your target with your finger and ... well, I'm sure there's a way.

When you look at it in this way, the Kinect represents the most revolutionary invention for gaming since the Etch-A-Sketch. Videos of folks flailing in the air like they just don't care are the Next Big Frontier for YouTube, right?

[jneul]

from the place that constantly likes to switch sides, first they loved kinect then along came e3 and all of a sudden it hit them kinect did not work as promised, then they loved on move for a couple of months, they even gave it a higher review score when it was released, however now they have switched again,i mean really thy must be desperate to be getting all this attention, what i want to know is why they switch back to kinect again despite their disappointment that it's nothing like the natal project ms showed, especially since move delivered what it promised and then some!!
I seriously have lost all respect for IGN, WHAT MAKES YOU ALL THINK THEY WON'T SWITCH AGAIN WHEN THEY GET BORED??

[llMurcielagoll]

After watching the video, I just wanted to point out something. According to the video yeah okay, PSmove is pretty much like a Wii in HD.

What about kinect? Forgot about Playstation 2's Eye toy and Playstation eye?

LooooL I think IGN got bored so they decided to piss off PS3 fanboys.

[visualb]

f*ck both

just give me a DS3

[joeorc]

if anything it's

3d+move = very viable VR simulator!

I think this pretty much what is overlooked

DR. Marks is right:

He went on to say that with Move, they wanted to insure they "had a wide enough range of experiences that it worked as a platform device." In this way, "no matter who you are, you'll really want this controller, even if you've never played a game or you've been playing the hardest core games of all." And to finish things off, Marks provided the following comments:

"I think Move is good for adding a spatial dimension to existing experiences. The thing people don’t quite realise yet is that it is a completely new way to interact. It is a 3D virtual reality kind of device, where if there’s a 3D scene you can reach directly into the screen, manipulate things and navigate around the space in a new way. That’s the part that I think hasn’t quite dawned on everyone yet. We don’t yet have enough experiences showing it, but we’re starting to get those."

http://www.psxextreme.com/p...

an you always seem to hear the Move is just a Wiimote copy by many in the industry media and forums.
yea that is exactly what the Wii can do..riiight..lol

3D VR because Nintendo stated you do not NEED 3D glasses with TV's!..there is an advantage To those Glasses, an one is VR!
closed enviroment, with less distraction's from the outside

No wonder Sony's push for 3D...if people think the 3DS from Nintendo is going to be a blast which I think it will..wait till they get a load of this developed platform in the near future.

nay sayer's i think may be eating quite a bit of crow.