Ninja Theory Dev Slams Bizarre Creations's on PGR4

In the latest news from the world of developers, Heavenly Sword, hotly anticipated title for PS3, developers has made some remarks about the latest Project Gotham Racing 4 trailer which was recently released. According to him the Ninja Theory developer "Those videos are simply not realtime, motion blur is done compositing several intra-frames together."

Bizzare studios developer ,Ben, responds that "It's all in-game."

[TriggerHappy]

360 racing fanatics have a real monster on their hands there now that it has been confirmed to be all in real time.

[Evil0Angel]

who are they ?
what they do ?
are they the one who made the Half-Assed doner kebab

[Stella]

Bizzare credibility is zero.

They made similar lies about PGR3 before the 360 launch. PGR3 turned out to not even to be running at 720p, instead it was running at in low rez(something like only 1024 by 600) and was covered in jaggies due to a complete lack of AA.

Anyone who has the game knows this and can see it with their own eyes. I don't know what the hell the PGR and Forza devs think they are accomplishing. Bizzare got away with their lies because it was a launch title. Forza 2 got murdered by fan reaction when they found out that they were making similar lies about Forza 2's 'real time movies and screenshots'.

Just stop the lies. People are going to find out what the game looks like eventually.

[nAo]

1) I don't work for NT
2) I made an educated and substantiated comment about that trailer, I didn't slam a thing
3) it's reported that a guy from Bizarre Creations answered to me while that declaration was probably released BEFORE I wrote my statements on Beyond3D.

Well, I hope this story gets edited or removed cause it's made putting together a few false 'facts'

[dantesparda]

Why is this website writing the title like that? hm, its starting to becoming blatantly obvious that these websites are trying to start fights cuz it gets them the drama that they need to get hits. This is getting ridiculous, And is showing you, that alot of the gaming sites/press is starting to lose alot of credibility and instead is starting to get alot of suspicion of bias from people. To much fanboyism, and agendas, and expectations and hyping going on, on these sites nowadays.

Hey nAo, is that you? you the guy that made that statement?

[Shadow Flare]

This looks to be a good game

[me_p]

if thats all in game... then looks to be very promissing AAA Racer ....

[CG]

I wish all the sony devs would STFU and concentrate on there own games, why do these clowns insist on attacking/critisizing the 360 devs???? i smell jelously lol.

[Ignorant Fanboy]

I smell a record.

[dalectrics]

..but why would a dev of all people have trouble believing that entrance trailer is engine created footage? I mean I'm sure it has filters applied on top - but who doesn't do that? Seems strange unless it's just another PR stub to rattle people up.

[BloodySinner]

Because their game turned out to be "half-assed" like the master himself said so, Tomonobu Itagaki.

[_insane_cobra]

Oooh, a battle of developers, that's always fun to watch. Coming up next from Bizarre: "Nariko has hair implants."

[Bordel_1900]

Do replay/cut-scenes count as in-game?

Most of the shots are what we call cut-scenes or replay-scenes aren't they?

View from inside the cars look very good also though.

[ukilnme]

That footage was on point. Will the game look like that while it is being played?

[ShiftyLookingCow]

here is one more cr*ppy quality cam video from Beyond3D forum

[Bordel_1900]

That whole vid is one big blur so it's really hard to tell if there's any motion-blur there, lol.

[BIadestarX]

mmm... Once again... Sony's dev hating on any developers making games for the xbox 360. Why every Sony developer have to be a fanboy?

"motion blur is done compositing several intra-frames together" ohhh is that how Kill Zone 2 is being made to look so realistic?

[Vojkan]

O please shut up! Ninja Theory is independent studio. yes they developed exclusive title for PS3 but not so long ago they were developing exclusive titles for xbox.

Killzone 2 trailer was also supposed to be in-game in 2005, think about that.

[toughNAME]

For example, I'd never even heard of 'Haze' until Free Radical started taking shots at Bungie (for no apparent reason)

I'm sick of this developer vs. developer sh!t...grow up guys

[TheTCD]

Vojkan, you do realise that Ninja Theory are a 'new' studio and that Heavenly Sword is their 'first' game, right?

As they are now, they have never made Xbox exclusives. As their previous iteration (Just Add Monsters) however... different story. They made one game; Kung Fu Chaos. That can hardly be (and somewhat obviously not be) deemed plurally as "exclusive titles".

Anyway, I find it incredulous that they can state that the PGR4 intro isn't in game because of some motion blur. Maybe I'm not seeing the point of their argument (or can't understand it, because frankly the news post employs shocking use of the English language), but I seem to remember Kung Fu Chaos being chock full of it, and that was last gen. Oh, and it was also one of their games to boot. It really makes me wonder what it is that developers hope to gain from these petty arguments.

[TheTCD]

Thanks for the clarification. :)

To me though, it sounds as if Ninja Theory are being more than a little pedantic about the matter. Theoretically, the footage shown is 'in game' regardless of any overlays, filters, etc (because not even Ninja Theory can claim to be above that, from what I understand it's a *very* common technique). Post processing as far as I can tell can also be over-layed over existing programming whilst in game (which again, Kung Fu Chaos seemed to do with it's cool 'replay filters'), so it really seems to my not-incredibly-technically-min ded err... mind... that they just want to steal some thunder from Bizarre who have consistently proven that they have the graphical chops.

That or it could be a bit of the ol' British rivalry. But I think it's the former as opposed to the latter.

[TheTCD]

It seems to me to be an overly pointless and petty excercise, this PR game. On the one hand, I do see NT's argument (thanks again for the clarification :)) and can appreciate where they are coming from, although I believe they shouldn't have said anything and kept a somewhat professional air about themselves as their point is somewhat insignificant.

On the other hand, I can appreciate Bizarre's stance that at the core of it, other than what is clearly manipulated (cars driving over two-tone backgrounds, etc), everything rendered (for want of a better term) in that video is 'in-game', and aside from pointing out those clear manipulations, it's a bit silly to try to argue otherwise. Unlike the infamous Killzone 2 fiasco, this isn't a case of in-game assets used in a pre-rendered environment or the like, it is for all intents and purposes, the game as you will play it on your TV at home.

I guess they'll just conduct their little p***ing match all the same. Personally all I really care about is the quality of the final product, graphical tricks or no.

[beans]

That footage was freaking sick and I do mean crazy gorgeous! Now i Know I gotta get this game at release! Also I don't see why certain developers want to put in there heads that the 360 is a joke!

[Nicosia]

Why would they care? Its just doesn't make sense.Not to be offensive but sony camp devs are realy pushing the bullsh*t though.. insomnia (''10 reasons why the ps3 will win''), Free Radical(''fps need revolution) en now Ninja Theory. Since when has gameplay died? grafics don't always justify a good game.

[Vojkan]

And guess what is the best part!? NONE OF THOSE STUDIOS IS FIRST PARTY! You fail.

[Nicosia]

Hhahahahah.. i fail. But think about it..do these guys praise sony much? ''What goes around comes around''.

[CG]

You should have told factor 5 before they started on LAIR.

Isnt it funny how the sony devs need to bash the 360 devs just to get some attention and generate some hype for their games, while the 360 devs just let their games do the talking...its pathetic really.

[Nicosia]

Thats the thing though, people are loving these devs because of the stats they give just to hype people up. But when the game finally comes out its more know for the comments that the devs made.I think you should first deliver a quality, put your money where your mouth is. Then well you can critize all you want, thats why i don't realy mind what Valve says.

[toughNAME]

I personally dont think this game looks THAT great

but PGR games are always great fun (first 360 game, Nov/9/05, PGR3)

so this will still be a must buy for me

Halo 3, NHL 08, PGR4 :D:D:D

[Tempo]

looking good

EDIT: Just a thought did it cross anyones mind that this might just be a publicity stunt staged by both companies...for all we know these guys might be the best of pals, as there are rearly any such bitter rivalries in video gaming beyond fanboyism

[Nicosia]

hahahah... strange thing i was thinking that two. It just seems so odd, out of nowhere.

[zonetrooper5]

PGR4 does looks awesome and all the trailers shown so far have been in-game while only one of the trailers which was shown at X06 or E3 2006 was pre-rendered.

[SabreMan]

just because they say it's ingame doesn't actually mean it is, it sure looks like a pre rendered cutscene to me
i liked PGR3 and including the bikes this time around is a master stroke

this game should appeal to all petrol heads

[InMyOpinion]

Being the environmentalist that I am, I will turn down the volume of the roaring engines and pretend I'm driving electric cars. EV-1 ftw!

[Morratut]

I would trust Bizarre Creations because their games always look great. It doesn't surprise that the visuals was in game.

[RadientFlux]

very unprofessional move by Ninja Theory, maybe it's an unwritten code if you have "Ninja" in your company's name you have to make an a$$ of yourself.

[snakeater3]

it doesnt matter if its prerendered, ingame or a frikkin cg movie for that matter ....it still looks like sh!t when compared to gt5!!

LOL PAWNED!!! LOL

edit : heheh just joking ...im not a fanboy....but someone HAD to say this to start a flame war right ?

[Evil0Angel]

GT5
-nothing new
-no bikes
-waiiiiiiiiiting hopefully christmas 2008/ europe 2009
-no daynamic weather system
-"ME TOO"damage system copied from FORZA but will it be any good ?
-GT series= dump A.1 BUT the devloper said they trying "ME TOO" A.I like forza
-funny how first forza got right what 4 GT sequal didnot
-PGR4 coming this october not in (atleast 14 month )

- this is my personal opnion: GT5 will be relased IN Europe around the same time FORZA3/PGR5 relased

@blow:cause there is not other proper racing games in ps that is why ps owner have to buy it.plus there is 120M PS2,HOW many copies did GT4 sell? and yeah GTP counted in the sales while demo for anyother game is not counted in the overall sales.plus no one pay for demos till...

[kevin1122]

Gran Turismo is the highest selling racing game, making it out like it sucks is kind of stupid on your part. It will most likely outsell this game.

[SabreMan]

I seriously doubt Forza 3 or PFR5 will be released on the 360 and all your other comments are just fanboy ranting.
Forza wasn't the first racing series or are you to blinkered to even know/acknowledge that, i thought this topic was about PGR4

edit

so many disagrees, so by that either Forza is the first racing series or you think Forza 3 and PGR 5 are coming out for the 360 (laughs and shakes head)

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

So, why wouldn't it be realease on the 360? I thought Forza & PGR are developed by Microsoft Game Studios?

[CNIVEK]

classless bullsh1t statements, from the pro-Sony camp. I'm never surprised to read such crap from the Sony-exclusive devs, because they're all talk, no game.

[tudors]

than GT5, we have windscreen wipers because we have rain.

[tudors]

and at the end there is the in car view being played.

http://www.n4g.com/ViewComV...

[jules]

so sony can use screen shots for gt6:)

[shysun]

Well, we all know it's not gameplay now.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Yeah and what's next Mercedes telling Kenmore how to design their fridges? Seriously WTF does a racing game have to do with a studio that made a fighting game...plus where is it their business to call out a video that has nothing to do with them especially when their not even a 1st party studio...

[ACE]

bigged up the 360 devs lol ..... oh and if thats really ingame then WOW .

oh i forgot 360 has no blue ray to hold all the gigs of data so games have to be cut down here and there lol,,,,,, these sony devs r funny most of there games have got ok ratings to poor/ok .

oh and fanboys give it a break will ya ...

[sonarus]

did they or did they not cut out night time maps?

[Ju]

In game or not, that game looks amazing. That one and a couple of others (funny, not Halo, but I think about Ace Combat 6, maybe Mass Effect) will make me buy a 360 sometimes in the future (probably around spring next year - I hope they'll lower the price even more and get the new revision out).
I'd like to see, if everything in that video is in game, though, but I'd guess that's pretty irrelevant while you are driving. I have my doubts to believe everything is in game.
To be honest, I think the AA in HS lacks badly - that's an area where they should improve in the future - and move it to 1080p. But well, that's one of a nice games, too.
See, now you have it, a comment from an PS3 fanboy.

[Salvadore]

What does your game/company have to do with PGR4?

[sonarus]

remember when we first saw GT5 footage and the same xbots that said it was fake then are up here defending PGR4 as real. These console war really makes morons out of most of you. That being said i am truly impressed with this footage havnt enjoyed any PGR game since PGR1 on the original xbox the racing is to arcadey for me but i might give PGR4 another look this footage is amazing. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW IT DOESNT LOOK AS GOOD AS GT5.

I don't mind the disagrees. Since none of you are even attempting to prove me wrong it just further proves my point that most of you are morons

[skylar2000]

Just compare fight night round 3 as an example, sure the ps3 has some framerates issue, but it doesn't use the dirty blur technique that xbox 360 uses. Think about it. I bet on all xbox 360 fan's mom that this title is going to be like perfect dark zero graphic quality. HAHAHAHHAHHA

[Firestorm]

To be fair, the ps3 probably couldnt handle the motion blur effect and the hdr lighting found in the 360 version and it still has framerate issues, think about that son.

[Tone]

And you have no idea what you are talking about do you..

[Ignorant Fanboy]

Thats so long ago I consider it last gen.

Thats so two years ago, get with the new, nobody brings up fight night in an argument anymore.

[jcgamer]

PGR4 is a must buy for a 360 racing enthusiast...GT5 is a must buy for a PS3 racing enthusiast...nuff said

[Evil0Angel]

BUT
in 360 case , there are aloooooooot of games u can buy, so 360 gamers will buy this game for it awosmness
in PS3 there is not ay games to play, that is why they will have to pay for the demo, and then buy the full games

[Ju]

What's that ? Sure, 360 has Forza and, well, I don't know (but I'm sure there are some). PS3 has F1, Ferrari Challenge and the Dirt and Sega Ralley is multiplatform (oh, forgot, Motorstorm). So what's your point ? (you mean, Graw2, Lair, Warhawk all out since last week don't qualify, neither do HS, Stranglehold, and other other bunch coming out from next week on). No, right, PS3 has no games.
That said, again, I think PGR4 will be awesome. Can we not just respect the achievements of "our" (?) competitors and if you have the cash, buy both and play best of two worlds. (or three, if you can afford a third one).

[zigzag]

gt5 vs pgr4 its a no win situation for pgr4

[3sexty rulzzz]

even the ps3 devs are praising this game indirectly. unknowingly, they really meant is that ps3 cant do this hardware function how in the hell the xbox is able to do it. those devs need to watch what they say bc it could backfire. noway are those vids are in game, yea they are, gey over it. its in the name/avatar.

[kevin1122]

By your theory, everybody secretly envies killzone then. Because that and a few others is all the xbox people have been talking about for years.

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

let me tell you this Killzone 2, although it will have great graphics it will not kill Halo 3.

[Gondee]

Whats with all this upscaled to 1080P any way, de da dur, even games like Kill Zone are 720P, In sure it will be 720P

[pshizle]

PGR4 FTW

[3sexty rulzzz]

this is where the 360 has an avantage on its opponents. 360 has a chip embedded in the hardware that upscale any movie and game to a higher resolution. i dont have to buy all of my movies in hd bc my hd dvd add on upscale any standarize dvd to 1080p olone w/ my 1080p samsung 40' hdtv

[DJ]

The Cell CPU does it, and does it quite well. Apparently it outputs at the same quality as $300 dedicated upscaling hardware. It does normal upscaling of DVD video, but also adds a lot of intra-frame processing to hide compression artifacts inherent in the video.

[zigzag]

dude the 360 sucks

[bYkICr]

360 doesn't have a hardware scaler, Xeno does that. Shame on you to let Gates fools you

[MarioFromTexas]

360 upscales HDDVD movies to 1080p, PS3 play Blu ray movies in true 1080p HD, which do you think will look better? Upscale or true 1080p? As far as games goes it's the same 720p upscaled to 1080p unless games are designed in 1080p which ps3 will have the advantage

[power of Green]

#29.

[tomfoolery]

little panties for some PGR4 right about now.

Jump in kiddies.

[sak500]

So WTF do they have to say about GTHD/4/5/Prologe/Prelude/$hini tz etc use of cgi footage all the time?

[DJ]

you DO realize that all GT5:Prologue footage is actual gameplay...right? Don't worry about it, my bro's friends saw the trailer on my system and asked the same thing. "Is that...gameplay?!"

[vid33nyc1]

All that footage is in REAL TIME.And who the hell is ninja theory?Now they are game critics.Another sony developer talking smack about a 360 developer.I wish they STFU and worry about their own product.All this trash talk has gotten way out of hand in the game industry.

[power of Green]

ninja theory? I don't know I think they think they're hot sh*t because of the supposed AAA; never heard of them before a couple of months ago. This is what I knew in the GT5 vs PGR4 thread(I got dozens of dissagree's in that thread, lol) I'v seen High quality video of PGr4 and havn't been able to find it sence.

[UltramanJ]

Did you guys note that it's a former employee? Also, it's funny as I'm sure developers make comments like this all of the time, but sites like this make mountains out of molehills. Anyway, Bizarre must be doing something right when Sony ads feature PGR3 screenshots lol.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

welcome to N4G, your cat will have a fun time

[ChefDejon]

goes some example sportmanship

[SpenserTracy]

FAKEFAKEFAKEFAKEFAKEFAKE

[tomfoolery]

and fakes.........truth of the matter is,this pgsr4 real time isn't.

Take care.

[power of Green]

How is it fake its some of the same stuff we've been looking at but better video quality.

[Lumbo]

When will people understand that "gamers creed" is not a reliable newssource, its an ugly abomination of a badly hacked CMS newspage template. 90% of the page is filler text like "Welcome to GC - Gamers-creed.com. This is a custom text."

[PimpHandHappy]

Let me just say i really like this game. My buddy loved it and we played hours of it.

That being said

They need to do all they can to stem the hype around GT prologe! When both games come out i guess we will really know what the deal is but till then Racers unite!

GT Prologe is going to rule! GPR4 will be top notch!

peace

[power of Green]

GT5 looks like Forza 2 with less shine and slightly more standing grass. No ones worried about a peice of a game when the full game is coming out years from now most likely around the next PGR.

One pic is from Forza 2 and the other from GT5-p.

[DJ]

But you could've at least done a driver vs. driver view instead of driver vs. hood.

[Xbox is the BEST]

footage is in-game. Don't believe me, just look at the ground it's not high res. Hope the Cell can pull this off.

[power of Green]

Forza 2 vs GT5-p. Most wouldn't be able to tell these are from two different games when comparing these games on track.

[DJ]

They're no longer employed by Ninja Theory, and now I can see why. This is obviously in-game footage, as evidenced by ___, ____, and ______. I won't bother with pissing off the usual suspects, but the fact that this is in-game 360 footage is pretty noticeable.

[Funky Town_TX]

It would be hyped up. Since it's on a console that does not have the Cell, Blu-ray and SIx axis then it not that great. We all know that the PS3 is the only system that can have good games. Sony said so. Go look at the vgcharts, and amazon to see who is selling games.

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

360

[FirstknighT]

Well all the PGR games have had much higher ratings than anything Ninja Theory has ever made including Heavenly Sword so who cares what they say.....

...I was a fan of Kung Fu Chaos tho :p

[level 360]

Who gives a...? Gameplay is the Tops!
Sweet trailer Bizzare Creation.

[AcidRhain]

i've never been disappointed with any of the PGR games. Bizarre has always made amazing racers since the launch of the original xbox... just look at the scores. can't wait to play this one.

[batman2million]

NT has been making HS since the xbox 1 days. And now they finally come out with their game and it jus get slapped with low reviews..

i just think their bitter.. someone needs to give them a hug!

[INehalemEXI]

PGR and GT are going in different directions. PGR is going more arcade and GT is staying Driving simulator. They both good at what they do. Ex Ninja Theory dude we know has an opinion and everyone with a bung hole. Also has an opinion.

[GRAMPAGAMER]

just the facts please.

[Gamer13]

Time will tell, but this is a must buy for all 360 Fans.