Yup, Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy Still Not on Xbox 360

Just because Microsoft doesn't have the home field advantage doesn't mean the company is going to sit on the TGS sidelines. Yes, the company will be announcing something. In an interview with Canada.com, lippy Microsoft exec Jeff Bell hints at what Microsoft will be showing at the Tokyo Games Show, namely Alan Wake, Fable 2 and Halo Wars. As well it should be! Those are all first party games, though. What about third part stuff? Bell stirs the hornet's nest:

"Lets be honest. There's only two major franchises that are talked about not appearing on our platform: Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid."

[xaphanze]

DUH!
anyway, I dont think FF13 is ever coming to 360 since I read the devs are actually using the power of the cel---->can´t be made on 360.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

HAHAHAHA

[Like a shadow I am]

based on the same interview from:

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[InMyOpinion]

As with Lair? Which apparently looks and plays like pure garbage. The whole "can't be done on any other platform" talk is getting old. MGS4 and FFXIII will probably both look stunning, let's leave it at that. No need to flame.

[Lex Luthor]

Xaphanze, if only you realized how retarded that comment was, it's comical now to say that a game uses the full power of cell.

[Shadow Flare]

Square-enix said they were using the power of the Cell's SPU's to develop Final Fantasy XIII with in-game graphics that are 'near-CGI'

So yeah, 360 has no cell processor. It has coke can ring-pull for a processor. Psone final fantasy games were reknowned for multiple discs. The pure fact that this game is pushing ps3 to it's limits means:

a) 360 can't handle it.
b) The amount of discs would deplete the worlds oil supplies
c) If this were on 360, you would have a constant heat haze above the machine. For many a 360 user, their machine would die and it would be their final fantasy of using it ever again

There was more chance of MGS4 coming to 360, but we know that's not happening

So xaphanze, you was right

[Hayabusa 117]

No, Xaphanze is a fanboy, and I can't believe you Sony fanboys are still deluding yourselves with this "power of teh cell/cannot be on the red-ring 360" crap. what did you guys say about Lair? "cannot be done the 360", "AAA title" e.t.c. But the game turned out to be crap. What about Heavenly Sword? "Cannot be done on the 360" "looks as good as Gears of War" "it must have Blu-Ray 'cose it's soooo big" "AAA title" "Going to be game of the year for PS3" and how did that turn out? 6/10 from Edge. Yeah, good one. That's showing us what your PS3 is capable of. 6 hours long by the way, and they almost used a dual layer disc for the game.

I don't mean to bash the PS3. It will have good games...at some point. But the fanboys need to come up some fresh arguments, because their old ones just aren't sticking.

And for me personally, I'm not fused about either of these two games (MGS4 and FF13). I've never liked the FF series, and MGS4 looks less interesting the more I see it. I'm sure they will both be good games (hopefully...) But I'm much happier with the 360's line-up.

[Shadow Flare]

I'll ask one very simple question

Do you think the xbox 360 can handle Killzone 2?

I'll even answer it for you. Never.

[DeadlyFire]

Why is the answer always the same for people with an X360 that relize that a game isn't coming to them. I never liked the story anyway and Its looking less interesting. When we all know you want the game as much as the others anyway.

You also base you opinion of HS off of its lowest game review. That in itself speaks for you. For one if you only read one review to judge a game you yourself are not very bright. You should at least look at some other review numbers. I do believe that Heavenly Sword is scoring an avgerage of 9/10 from most places.

Oh and don't lie about not intending to bash when you clearly state that you think nothing on the games on the PS3. Either way you are looking at the wrong games in my opinion. I myself don't think to much of Heavenly Sword, or Lair. I might rent them, but I doubt I would buy them. If you are looking for something to compare to Gears of War look at Unreal Tournament III being released in a month or so. It looks awesome much better than I expected really. Naturally the game being made by Epic looks the best. Haze doesn't look to bad either and now I hear that is PS3 exclusive. Looks like Sony is interested in Timesplitters 4 being PS exclusive and a relationship with Free Radical if you ask me. :P

2008 will be the bringing of the curve in PS3 vs X360 games if you ask me. It will be slight at first though. I really don't think anything can compare to Gran Turismo 5, and Final Fantasy XIII just yet on any platform. KILLZONE 2 is also looking surprizingly well. That is just my opinion though only time will tell truth.

[rubarb23]

"Do you think the xbox 360 can handle Killzone 2?
I'll even answer it for you. Never"

can you confirm that? you sound as if you know everything about the 360's architecture to confirm it can't handle killzone 2.

anyways, whatever, killzone 1 was garbage. never seen so many people hyped up for a sequel to a piece of sh1t game. oh well to each their own i guess.

[dhammalama]

that the cell processor will be able to do SOMETHING that the 360's cpu, or (as of now) any other commercial cpu, won't be able to do. It's running things like folding at home at like 19 times the speed of a powerful commercial processor. The cell REALLY CAN use its power. Whether or not we're seeing it yet in games, or if the gain in power can fully be applied to game development is still hard to call. But seriously, TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES and the PS3 does use ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY. The cell does work. And the 360's awesome too.
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but it is a bit more limited imo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

EDIT: @rubarb23

I'm NOT SOLD on the sony cell processor HYPE. The cell works and it is being used now with great yield, both in folding@home and other linux ps3/cell programs.
I don't know if killzone2 is something that can or can't be done on whatever console, but we will see.
In these other applications of the cell processor it does "scream" that it can be VERY effective. The cell architecture wasn't some sort of gamble like some things make it sound. It's like intel going from pentium to core2duo, THEY KNOW IT'S BETTER. It's an upgrade not a gamble. The cell is made by IBM, and sony AND toshiba. IBM knows how to make this shtick, THIS is an upgrade. In fact, this is IBM's top of the line super chip, already being sold for medical devices and crap like that. The ps3 has a slightly inferior chip because one of the cores won't be utilized. The 360's processor is ALSO and IBM processor, but it's nothing like their crazy 9 core CELL:BE.

You've probably heard of Folding@home (of course) but there is also another distributed computing project optimised to run on the cell. It has been around for a long time and was recently optimized-- BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing)
here's some ps3 relevant info
------ http://www.ps3grid.net/tech...

that's the homepage
------ http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

and this is wikipedia
------ http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Perhaps the cell CAN'T DO GRAPHICS, but that's lame too. I mean LOOK at PS3 first party games!(think of the sequels and improvements to their IN HOUSE ENGINES) Maybe no Gears textures but they look gooood. anyway, no use in this talk until at least a years time, 'cause now BOTH systems are great. But it's important to remember that graphics are only part of gaming experience, and physics on a whole has yet to really take center stage.

EDIT 2

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TAKE A LOOK at his video on the CELL:BE and medical imaging. Watch the whole thing. BUT, if you're that lazy, watch from 2:30 to 5:20!!!!!
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http://www.mc.com/microsite...
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@ rubarb

My initial response was "It's obvious and proven that the cell processor will be able to do SOMETHING that the 360's cpu, or (as of now) any other commercial cpu, won't be able to do."

How that will translate into games, I don't know. But Come on man, "that's what PS3 owners have been taunting about" I don't care what ps3 owners have been taunting about. You want the power of the CELL? (Not the ps3 , although it does have a cell IN IT) LOOK AT THE LINKS

It's doing things that NOTHING ELSE ON THE MARKET CAN DO

console wars to HELL. This is about new designs and the advance of technology, don't be blinded or neglegent because you're in a WAR.

by the way, you American?

damn, maybe lost my bubbles but it's just a joke. Just takin a pi$$

But ya, post that article, I'd be intereseted to read it.

[rubarb23]

my friend, here is my problem with this whole cell thing. sony knows how to advertise their stuff. they've advertised to everyone all about the power of the cell and what it can do. the thing is, thus far it's all talk. that's why when someone says something like killzone 2 can't be done on the 360, i laugh at that crap. thus far there has not been one game on the ps3 (including killzone) that is way better than what's on the 360. if you compare the visuals on gears of war lets say, to killzone 2, i'd give the detail over to gears and the lighting effect to killzone. of course alot of people won't agree with me and that's fine - everyone has their own opinion. and it's the same the other way around, no game on the 360 is way better than what's on the ps3. i guess what i'm trying to say is that these 2 machines are beats and i wouldn't doubt for a second that any game that comes out on one of them can be run on the other with out a problem. talking about cell this and that, it's all hype and it's proven in what the ps3 is showing. nothing on either console screams "i can do this and you can't". games basically look the same on both consoles. the only debate is regarding which one you support.

EDIT @ dhammalama,

my friend i get your point about how great cell is and you can even tell me it cures cancer and gets bums on the street laid, but at the end of the day dude, how great is cell for games? i mean that's what ps3 owners have been taunting about no? the power of cell. when it comes to games which is what matters most to us games, all i'm saying is that it's not delivering. had cell produced graphics that would make the 360's graphics look like ps2 for example, then yes i'll admit that yes cell is truely amazing! but that's not the case. games look basically the same.
i'm at work right now so i can't check out your vids, but when i get home i'll check it out. i have a link on my computer at home that talks about the difference between the ps3 and 360 (amazing read!!!). it's not biased as it doesn't put one down and favour the other. it just talks about what's inside the machine and maybe after reading that you'll still feel good about cell, but you'll understand that the cpu the 360 is...... well another beast. you'll see what i mean. i'll post it tonight, i can't find the damn article on the net right now.

Edit 2:

dude i found the frigg'n website. it's " http://www.anandtech.com/vi... it's an old article but it's still a great read.
to answer your question, na man i ain't american. i'm a latin guy living in canada. dude, if i read your post right, your saying ps3 owners are taunting the fact that cell does things other commercial cpu's dont? to my under standing ps3 owners taunt at the fact that cell will deliver them amazing graphics not all that stuff your telling me about. you know to end this post, lets have this discussion next year and see if cell delivers on their promise of better graphics and all that stuff.

WTF dude? i posted this crap and clicked on the link. it's not working for me. i hope everyone that tried got it. if not then type the following using google "anandtech: microsoft's xbox 360, sony's ps3 - a hardware discussion". you'll get it for sure.

[Hayabusa 117]

@ Shadow Flare. Good question. But if I'm to go by what you guys have said about Heavenly Sword and Lair...

@Deadlyfire

Fair point, but I mean what I said. I never liked JRPGs and I still don't, so that rules out FF13. I actually loved the original MGS on the PS1, and it's personally one of my favorite games of all time, but I didn't like MGS2, and I kinda lost interest after that. I'm interested in MGS4, mostly for the story, but the look of the gameplay just doesn't grab me. That is how I personally feel about those two games, and I'm not saying it to represent any demographic. I know allot of people on Xbox Live who want to get a PS3 just for MGS4.

As for Heavenly Sword: Yes, 6/10 is only one review but the fact that any review gave it that means there must a reason: especially when it comes from IGN. Heavenly Sword was my most anticipated game for the PS3, and before I had a PS3, I will admit, it made me jealous. But I was disappointed with the game after I played the demo. The thing is, allot of the things they complained about in the IGN review where complaints I had about the game (blocking, button mashing), and some of the other stuff are things I would complain about in games (linear feel, basic puzzles, constant cut-scenes). I have to form some sort of opinion of how good I think a game might before I buy it, especially when I'm spending £40 on it.

And yes, when I look at the PS3, there really are few games that appeal to me now. KZ2 may look amazing graphically, but I get the feeling it would be more like COD linear gameplay which only "feels" like your in a big battle. Obviously, I'll wait to see more of the game, but that's my current impression. Haze doesn't interest me either, it looks gimmicky, and I'm not an Unreal person (I'm not even going to buy the 360 version). These are just a matter of personal taste, and at the end of the day, it isn't going to change anything.

[razer]

Let Shadow Flare who doesn't even own a 360 and has Sony's d1ck shoved so far up his arse he burbs Krazy Ken's pubic hair tell you that it can't be done on the 360. WHATEVER! Fanboys are a lost cause..

[brianpk80]

Interesting the way the quote is phrased,

"Lets be honest. There's only two major franchises that are talked about not appearing on our platform: Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid."

He doesn't say they're "not appearing." Rather, he says they're "talked about not appearing."

Konami's supposedly disappointed in poorer than projected PS3 sales. Square Enix tipped its hand briefly and hinted at a FF13 appearance in 360. In both cases, the developers always dance around the issue and speak vaguely. The fact that they even flirt with the idea of 360 versions suggests to me that they're in the works. Otherwise, an outright denial would be more appropriate. I suspect they're keeping it under wraps out of respect for Sony. Letting the cat out of the bag this early would unnecessarily put nails in its coffin. Neither Square/Enix nor Konami want to see Sony fail, but they can't shoot themselves in the foot financially just to maintain amicable relations. These titles are enormous investment sinks and it's going to be REALLY hard to justify slamming the door in the face of the potential recoup from Microsoft's market share (60% in North America...?), especially with its higher attach rate.

Microsoft is going to have a great fall with Halo 3 moving loads of consoles and then the strength of Halo 3 will further propel strong holiday sales for Xbox 360... at a time when the PS3 still won't have anything "must have" in its library. The 360/PS3 gap will widen in North America. The fact that 360 will be sporting the fuller and more complete Grand Theft Auto IV seems to get overlooked here a lot. I see a repeat of Madden 08 there with the 360 version selling immensely more for Xbox. From a business standpoint, by the time MGS4 and FF13 are ready for release, they're going to need a better reason than "Kojima's dream system" or "loyalty to Sony" to justify saying no to such a huge market share.

And on that note, does anyone here seriously believe Final Fantasy XIII will be released in early 2008? Sounds more like a schmoozing line from Act II of The Delay Game. Wasn't FFXII originally projected for a mid-2004 release...? The series is decidedly not very punctual.

[BaMYouRDeaD]

@ xaphanze

Yeah, the same thing goes for MGS4, I think it's too far in the development cycle, and plus it was built from the ground up to run on PS3. I guess both could be ported over later, but I doubt it.

[beans]

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[reaferfore20]

With reduced sound quality and most likely on more than one DVD, and honestly? Whats wrong with having a game on more than one disc!? It's not like MGS1 and FF7/8/9 were on more than one disc or anything. I wouldn't mind getting up to put in disc two like I did in all these games a few years back. Thats usually when I go get some munchies and go to the bathroom since I'm already standing. Works out great actually.

CHEESY POOFS FTW!!!

[gsx-r]

I think microsoft should worry about fixing their actual consoles so people can play games on them without the RROD

[tomfoolery]

and @ss hurt that the 360 is going to kick the ps3s @ss this gen.
Prod digs are so weak and old now.

[reaferfore20]

It's not going to do any ass kicking if nobody can play their consoles because Microsoft DOES have to fix them. Systems shouldn't break that fast, bottom line. I would buy a 360 but my room mate already has one... Well, he's on his third system now and it's only froze once or twice. The first two didn't even have the "RROD". They just kept freezing or quit showing any video signal at all (and yes, they were connected properly). Also I have another friend whose disc tray is screwing up, and another that hasn't had any problems at all!

Now I'm not saying my PS3 didn't have any problems though. The first day I bought it I got an error trying to start Resistance FOM. The only way I could get it to play the disc was formatting the hard drive. So I took it back and got another one the same day. The guy at gamestop told me that he hasn't heard of many PS3's being defective.

What I'm trying to get at is this: Just because a game isn't going to be on your system doesn't mean you have to make yourself look like a child with internet access(Where are all the Wii fanboys? They're mostly kids right!?). Both of these systems are equally great (though not equally priced and built) and the Xbox has plenty of games that aren't on PS3. Most of them aren't as good as the two in the subject matter of this thread, but some of them are. (and I still really want to play Beautiful Katamari. That game is so fun)

So please, quit being such a tool. For a VIDEOGAME Fanboy's sake.

[Shadow Flare]

"I think you should quit being so nervous
and @ss hurt that the 360 is going to kick the ps3s @ss this gen."

That's like giving an old cripple an hour's head start in a 100m race and a professional athelete has just got off the blocks

[SlippyMadFrog]

It's a pitty your professional athlete isn't making any ground to a cripple :/

[drewdrakes]

I dont care for either of these games, trust me, id tell you if i did. And my 360 has never RROD'd.

[HarryEtTubMan]

Dude ue an idiot, 360 is losing now in the world race...haha its going to be crushed in the next five years...u think that doesn't matter?? That is what matters, how much a console sells during ITS life cycle is how many systems they sell....360 is primarily a U.S market,people around the rest of the world realize is a piece of crap and don't waste their time will feww here get caught up in the hype. PS3 is much much better system and everyone in here knows it even if u have a 360... I have one that broken twice... it also froze on me a couple of times yesterday...it's a junk box because they rushed it out as fast as they could to try and get a headstart on PS3... MICROSOFT IS TERRIFIED OF SONY because sony has what they don't.... a HUGE worldwide fanbase... and they just make more innovative reliable hardware. Their are HUGE IPs heading to the PS3.. it is already selling very well for this expensive of a console..imagine when they start dropping it year after year along with they raaaaddd exclusives, Final Fantasy 13, MGS 4, LBP,GT5,KKKKZZZ222,INFAMOUS, new deal with ncoft for mmorpg, theyre own mmorpg,RFOM2. Please stop typing stupid erroneus info and save ur energy for Halo.... and only Halo.

[Dr Pepper]

I wonder how much they will show of Alan Wake. They haven't shown a whole lot of vids, screens and details for a while. The game does look awesome though.

[Dr Pepper]

No

[Bloodmask]

In todays game market it makes no sense to make a 3rd party exclusive unless you are paid to do so. I would assume this lump sum would be to make up for the sales to be expected on the rival console.

The 360 has the largest install base for next gen games.(I don't count the Wii bc games can't be ported without a severe downgrade.) For games such as FF and the Metal Gear Solid series the budgets are most likely huge. 3rd parties look at how much potential return they can have on a particular platform. 360 is looking the best based on not only number of units available but also a games attach rate of 6.2%. The highest for any console ever. This premise gives Microsoft huge bargaining power for 3rd party games as well as 3rd party exclusives.

The trend is already starting...With Resident Evil, Last Remnant, Devil May Cry4, and Virtua Fighter 5 the latest defectors....And Eternal Sonata, Ace Combat 6, as well as Beautiful Katamari appearing exclusive on 360.

Extremists like to believe that PS2 had so many exclusives based on some delusional brand loyalty. But it was only bc of install base also. We must remember that video games are a business. And at the end of the day a business is about making money.

[fopums]

I belive extremist is a term used much to often these days, certainly from both sides of the console "war"

Im sure you all know by now that Kojima enjoys these "speculation" rumors, becuase it gets people talking about his game, and then more PS3s are going to sell becuase of it.

"It's basically kind of a good thing, because if people don't start asking these questions it means we fall off from their list of their interest. So I think it's good they talk about us."

now debate away fanboys! the sensible people already know what the outcome with these titles is going to be ;)

[BIadestarX]

Stop talking out of your @$$ and show us your sources that indicate that the xbox 360 drop 60% in sells.

[tomfoolery]

with Bloodmasks post.
Truth ps3 babys!
Aw,go ahead and push agree...........ha.
Live some reality.

[Codeman420]

i own both 360 and a PS3. yes DMC4 went to the 360 but how many of those players are going to know what is going on with the story if they have never played any of the others. Same with MGS4 im not to worried about it hitting 360, yes ill buy it for the PS3 cause i believe it will run better since it was built for the platform. But still how many 360 players are going to know whats going on in the story if the only one they ever played was MGS2. Ill buy DMC4 for my PS3 since thats where it started and thats where ill continue to play it.

[reaferfore20]

Word.

Again, WHERE ARE THE LITTLE KID WII FANBOYS!?!?!? They should be the ones talkin smack.. because they're mostly kids... right??!

[CaliGamer]

Bladestar got pwned. Facts galore, and old news at that which he should have been aware of. Tremendously embarrassing.

[Fighter]

He sure did

[gerrard]

Yeah really? keep dreaming cos you'll be waiting forever

[monkey602]

There are only a few people on this site I cant stand and Bladestar is one of them. You well and truely put him in his place and for that my hat goes off to you and a bubble is heading your direction. Well done :)

[KeMoBLUE]

bladestar got SHUT DOOOOWN. man that was funny. especially when hatchet said suck it. OOOOOOOOOOOOOH SNAP!!!!!

[Sevir04]

Damn!!!!!!!!! Bro well said. Bladestar you need to pack your sh1t and leave... better yet wait stand in front of that bus that hatchet said was leaveing LOL!!!!

Hatchet that is how you completely shut a moron.
You basically ass fuked Bladestar, Bloodmask and mart and the other 360 extremeist (not fans or gamers) that cloud this site.

way to go. You nailed the hammer in the coffin.

[Bigmac573]

With all three consoles =) Nothing like having the entire gaming world at your fingertips.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

What did you have a change of heart or somthing?

[bung tickler]

yeah he used too and then... he saw green it seems.

[Foliage]

Just because you own a console doesn't mean you owe it your "fanboyism". Respect is earned. If he wants to bad talk a console he owns, it just means he has some first-hand experience.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I wonder how nervous the Droids are right now?

[tomfoolery]

Bigmac wants to taste 360s whopper.

[Foliage]

The "droids" are probably extremely nervous. Heck you are already here trying to downplay two of the greatest franchises in gaming history. I say the Microsoft droids are beyond nervous. The PS3 has been able to keep up the pace without any games, now that the flood gates are starting to open, it is going to be a hard 2008 for you droids.

In fact looking around here quickly you can see that most of the xdoids are here in full force. Too bad PS3 users are off playing video games.

[Pika-pie]

Nervous about what exactly? strange boy.

[reaferfore20]

Thats not bad it's good. There's SO many servers to fill in Warhawk, somebody's gotta do it. I'm taking a break right now. If I started playing right now I'd be up all night... again.

Oh and I'm not a console fanboy, I'm a game fanboy. I could care less what console it's on as long as I get to play the living hell out of it.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Check my past comments to a year ago from the start, I don't f**king like FF so I'm not trying to downplay sh!t, just don't like it. So before opening that big mouth of yours just to shove your foot in, I suggest you do some research.

@Alvadr, do you realy need me to spell it out to you? Can you not at least figure it out on your own?

[Foliage]

"Research"? You think anyone wants to read through your past comments? I'm not going to spend my day researching every user on the board, and I definitely wouldn't start at the bottom of the barrel.

Seeing from the conclusions you jump to, maybe you should watch your big butt hole (stretched from Microsoft abuse) from a distance further away than you are used to so you don't have to shove your head back up there, besides it would help if you got out a little more often.

[N4GayFanturds]

The PS3 still doesn't have enough to offer to make up for it's astronomical cost.

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

@8.1 some people like me dont care about those features. dont need a bluray player cuz i dont have a HDTV. dont need wireless because my modem is in my room. am i missing anything? the only thing the appeals to me is the free online. but 50 bucks a year isnt a lot to me. im waiting for the games before i buy 1.

[N4GayFanturds]

Elite vs PS3 60Gb price: (Key word here is NEED)

To watch HD Movies:
PS3 I NEED:
* An HDMI Cable
* An HD-DVD player for movies exclusive to HD-DVD
360 I need:
*To Download any movies on the XBL Marketplace that are exclusive to BluRay

To Play Online Multiplayer Games:
PS3 I Need:
*A headset (and some skillz)
*To pray the devs to a game that I like, don't shut down their servers when the game gets old.
360 I need:
*Silver Acct or Free 1/3 months trial cards.

To stream media from various MP3 players, cameras, etc:
PS3 I need:
*A 360

360 I need:
*Mostly any major media USB media device

Hmmm...You were saying?

[Codeman420]

with the Ps3 you dont need to buy a hddvd player just buy the regular dvd unlike the 360 where u have to buy the addon the ps3 will up scale all you regular dvds to the highest resolution of your tv.

[leon76]

to DragunBallZ: in what world you live????
to play bioshock, gears war you need:
PS3-a Pc
Xbox360-a Pc
to play mgs4 and final fantasy you need:
Ps3- a ps3
xbox360- a ps3
To Warm the house in the winter you need:
Ps3 - a fireplace
Xbox360 - a Xbox360

[KeMoBLUE]

elite: $480 (not sure)
wireless internet:$100
HD DVD add on: $180

not to mention all those movies exclusive to blu-ray and the fact that you have to pay for online that looks like ALOT of spending you'll be doing not to mention your console will pprobably be getting repaired by microsoft half the time. but add that all up and dee what you get. LMAO

[Loudninja]

You cna talk about how expensive the PS3 is until you blue in the face.But it does not chnage the fact thta these games are exclusive, and so is many others.

[N4GayFanturds]

Those exclusive titles STILL don't show the need for a suxaxis controller...OR a PooRay!

[Pika-pie]

FFS piss off Dragun, go flame some other board! Your blind fanboyism is not needed in a response to everyones comment.

[power of Green]

The two games are so different from eachother one sounds like an Idiot saying such things.

Most do not care about these games only far green xbox loons care. lol

[power of Green]

Im drinking 211's tonight I'm confused, its cheap night tonight. Only Xbox fanatics and X PS2 owners care of these games this is PS3 fanboy fud. Strange coming from 360 backers that post this or the tiper.

[power of Green]

Its you thats going to be disifering what you post tonight; tomorrow even a Chimp will be calling BULLSHIT with that nonsense you just post. No one asked for Sony fanboyism only simple logic and reasoning.

[Lord Anubis]

so in order for my microsoft to have PlayStation Games they must take out the check book. Its a good time to be a developer.

[FirstknighT]

Keep them. The 360 has more than enough AAA titles to keep us happy.

[BIadestarX]

I don't think any of those those 2 games will be on the xbox 360... not because of the "power of the cell" like some little angry midgets keep screaming... but simply for this reason.... What are the games everyone have being talking about on the PS3 even 1 year prior to it's launch? Final Fantasy and Metal Gear... Many people (Me including) are still sitting on the fense waiting for those games before buying a PS3... take that away from the PS3 and what do you have? A bunch of games that no one knows if they are going to be good or crap... such as Lair and Heavenly sword which everyone though were going to be AAA with nothing but 10/10 scores ala Bioshock...
I think the industry needs a balance.. and the xbox 360 is already delivering a constant flow of AAA titles... one after another... Sony needs to start doing that... it's not on the best interest of 3rd party developers for the PS3 to die... The xbox 360 does not need helping in terms of games... Sony does... the PS3 does... There is a reason why Sony is being having to drop the price by $100 and bundle 8 blu-ray movies all this even before it's first year. Let them have these two games... though I would love those 2 games... I understand the radical implications of they both go multiplatform... There will be no reason to own a PS3. Let's just hope that no new IP comes out and undermind these two titles.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I have to agree with you, there arn't many triple A titles for PS3 atm,and people are talking about games which would be out in march 2008 (MGS4) and near 2009 to end of 2010(final fantasy.

And yes I do think Sony and other 3rd party developers should start on new IPs I've hopping to hear about a few for awhile now. Or even an older IP would do as long as its good like maybe a grandia4 or even earlier release dates for their big games.

[JokesOnYou]

do 360 fans even like FF?, yeah I guess 2 or 3 of them do, personally I think that shiii is very stale and boring, MGS storyline bugs me sometimes with all the stupid comments and references that make no sense, sort of like a bad movie script but maybe Kojima's true meaning is lost in translation and the game is good not the greatest but I do like the game, I have access to both consoles so if need be so if its good I'll play it, but I fully expect to see it come over to 360 later on which is why Konami wont give a concrete answer like Bio devs did, every since Kojima made those comments about movie theater experience they have been making more and more neutral comments so I think it will be announced after MGS4 is released, like many rumors have said.=

JOY

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Well before even Xbox there was N64 and PS1 so obviously gamers were on that side or the other,which meant a great deal of them were, introduced to Final fantasy, before buying an Xbox. Remember Final Fantasy 7? Yeah I think it was one of the best selling games of all time, and I doubt people bought 5 copies each.

And MGS series has one of the best story lines there are. And at times it does seem like a movie rather than a game, but I'm sure most people like the story line, I know that what kept me interested in the series.

[greed]

Jason for some one who bashes p/s all the time i don't see why you have one or would consider getting one or maybe that just me i never really cared for a xbox and don't plan on getting one but i will give it credit for some of the games that are out.

[Like a shadow I am]

based on the same interview from:

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[gEnKiE]

"So why not buy them? You're Microsoft, you're rich."

It seems no one wants to work on their system unless money is involved....sigh. Where has the industry gone?.....ohhh, i forgot, M$ decided to step in.....

edit: haha....ahhhh, a "dork" huh?

[ParaDise_LosT]

...but hey...If they're Evil towards my Benefit...then HaH thats a good thing...

You see, we Xboxfans can careless if MS buys Exclusives..or bribes for extra content.....because it doesn't hurt us....Heck it makes things alot better for us....

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Bubbles for you bro, well said.

[SofaKingReetodded]

when one company starts paying astronomical sums for IP's it ONLY SERVES TO DRIVE UP COSTS.

keep following mediocre softwares business model and you will be paying $80 for games in 2 years time.

so it doesn't hurt who again??

xbots are so stupid it's downright disgusting.

[BloodySinner]

Hey, dork. Isn't that how Sony was playing in the last generation (PS2)? Buying out exclusives? I'm pretty sure they were.

[gEnKiE]

Ha, awesome. I actually got some replies to my post! :]

[redsymphony]

give it up you will never get metal gear lol but ps3 will take its spot back at the top very soon......yall gonna learn to respect the king!!

[ParaDise_LosT]

Lost Odyssey looks much more appealing to me than FFXIII.

As for MGS4..........I'm still jealous that its exclusive to Ps3... xD

[N4GayFanturds]

Lost Odyssey = A Man's RPG

FFXIII = A GURLY Man's RPG

[rukusa]

I seriously cant see the difference man. Both games feature girly characters... and you still havent played Lost Odyssey (lol).

[fopums]

you realize that a few ex square enix employees are working on Lost odssey right? and the music is being headed Nobuo Uematsu?

you probably dont know who that is becuase I guess FF blows right?

now fanboy thou art pwned

[solidt12]

I guess I just learn something about myself that I didn't know because im getting FFXIII on the first day and I play Gears of War, Lost Od, and Halo. hmm so what does this say about you.

[beans]

Im with Bladestar and I say keep both of those games on PS3! 360 really does have some great games out and coming so why be greedy and try to take everything! Let the PS3 have it's games and the 360 have it's games and just leave it at that!

[IPlayGames]

Leave the xbots alone dont put salt in a open wound.

All this is gonna do is start the MGS can be done on 360/konami looking to go multi post.

[tomfoolery]

That's power baby,that will keep a good power struggle going here,hence
keeping software quality high.

ps brand=loyal fanbase and world following
ms brand=north american, hardcore fanbase and undying pocketbook
nintendo=ancient following,cheap,and gimmicky casual gamer offering
pc=silent giant

Metal gear will come to 360,sooner or later!
FF.........who cares.Look at the rpgs coming to the 360.
It's rudimentary,really.

[BlazinEurasian]

FFXIII will move consoles in Japan.

[mikeslemonade]

Their first party titles have no appeal in the Japanese market. Who are they trying to kid?

[Robearboy]

Im sure the next installements, metal gear 79 and finanl fantasy 985 will be out on the 360, but really, they are just old hash with updated graphics, both franchises are over rated (apart from MGS1,was any of the others really that good??? and i personally dont like rpg's anyway)and im sure all xbox 360 owners will have enough QUALITY games to keep them going before, at the same time and after these two games eventually do come out.Can anyone say that these two games warrant the hefty price tag the PS3 is? and before anyone says but its got blue ray, so what its a GAMES CONSOLE, thats buy people buy them, FOR GAMES!!!!!!!

[solidt12]

I saw the game play footage and MGS4 is definatley not overrated. This is his last Metal Gear and all of them were awesome so why would his last game suck, and ff series has millions of fans. You are on your own on this one dude.

[BaMYouRDeaD]

Lol @ you bashing MGS and FF =P

Video Game Commandment #1:

Though shall not take the name of MGS in vain.

I'm not CRAZY about FF, but I still enjoy their games a lot.

[TheFatOne]

DragunBallz
Lost Odyssey = A Man's RPG

FFXIII = A GURLY Man's RPG

Hey that may be true but i bet you FFXIII will sell 10 times as much as Lost Odyssey

[N4GayFanturds]

You're probably right. I even agreed with you. But that's for two reasons; based on the names & because there are too many GURLY men who game.

[RINGOFDEATH]

This will be a good match.

[solidt12]

Don't forget about the other great games coming out exclusively this fall that will be competing. The fact that Unreal tournament III and Haze will only be on the PS3 this fall and may sway some people to buy a PS3 vs. a 360.

[rukusa]

ouch! It must hurt to be a xbox supporter right now when your side's OWN SPOKESMEN confirms that Final Fantasy will NOT appear on their comnsole.

... but even though, I still see arrogant and c*cky xbox supporters saying sh*t like "its just a matter of time before they jump ship","didnt care about those games anyway", "its nto true!" etc. etc.

At least now you only need to accept that it aint happening.

[Dr Pepper]

So you think that every xbox supporter likes the FF series? No game will appeal to everyone you know...

[rukusa]

That much is true, yeah.

However alot /slash/ most of them are saying (and in some cases trolling) that their platform is getting all the best games out there.

At least now its really not like that.

Besides I think the man who really was buying exclusivity was Peter moore, at least I think hes the guy was very keen to trigger it.

At least now Sony's platform's value has shot up a notch.

[blackmagic]

When I read his interview, I heard him talk about TGS, then I heard him talk about FF and MGS and then he talked about how the industry is changing now that they have the install base.

Hey, maybe I'm reading into it a bit but why would he even talk about them if he knew they could only be played on another platform unless...

[ta1snake]

"Lets be honest. There's only two major franchises that are talked about not appearing on our platform: Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid."........And they are 2 of the best series of all time. What a shame.

[Pika-pie]

FFXIII is the reason I bought a PS3. I cant wait for it, the game is going to be AAAAAAAAAAAAA+ EPIC

[fopums]

too those who think MGS4 is a rehash, what of Halo 3? cmon now....

and FFVersus XIII is gonna destroy the competition if the pull it off, Im excited for FFXIII dont get me wrong, but the level of hectic combat that Sqaure wants to achieve with Versus will be somthing different all together... any FF fans should do themselves a favor and keep an eye on http://www.ff-xiii.net/

and check out the archives :D

[BLACKJACK VII]

Never liked FF myself (sorry)... For RPG's this year, I'll happily take Bioware's Mass Effect. By the time FF rolls around I'll be playing Mass Effect 2. =D

Metal Gear looks cool - always does, but it's also always so weird & convoluted... & i didn't care much for the last 2 installments, the gameplay of Metal Gear & hours of CG are just not anything major to miss (for me). The first one was awesome in it's day, but the last two were just rentals. Sony's finally getting some games out there (Lair, Warhawk, HS...) but Xbox 360 has plenty 'o new IP's, exclusives & third party games coming out as well & plenty of software to choose from. I mean, in the last 2 weeks alone I've played Bioshock, Madden 2008, NCAA 2008, & a crapload of free demos: Skate, Stranglehold, Call of Juarez, Stuntman, Blazing Angels 2, NHL '08, Tiger Woods '08, & Timeshift even hit today.... I can't even imagine the next few months ahead with Bioshock, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, COD4, Kane & Lynch, Army of Two...

I would think that ppl who are FF & Metal Gear fans already have a PS3 anyway, don't they ? Both consoles have alot of good stuff on the horizon, it's a great time to be a gamer ! I think the whole "Metal Gear 360" thing is just a lightning rod for mindless fanboy banter & headlines. Enjoy Yur Games !!!

"My controller is BIGGER than your controller"

=)

[cloud360]

Am an FF fan am gonna get a ps3 when FFXIII comes out.

perviouslyl i use to play on my uncles ps3

[leon76]

Sorry about that!!1 i'm going to play MGS 4, FF XIII, bioshock, gears of war and don't have a Xbox 360.....

[SabreMan]

how can anybody disagree with a "FACT"

[Fighter]

Everyone, including the developers, keep telling them that MGS4 will not be coming to the 360 yet they still hope and hope and cry and cry. Bottom line, they won't get it at all or they might get it in 2009 but it will be a watered down version.

As for FF 13, FF 12 isn't even on the 360 right now so don't expect the next installment to show up on the 360 either.

[jaehyt]

I actually agree with you, I wish the 360 fans would just let it go and move on to some of the exclusive titles that they will have the oppurtunity to enjoy, Halo 3, Mass Effect, PGR4 and Bioshock, but let us not forget how much PS3 fanboys were building up rumors and going on and on forever about Bioshock coming to PS3...and they didn't believe (or didn't want to believe) when the developer said point blanke that IT WON'T HAPPEN!!!

[gunnar2906]

We're going to make money the old fashioned way

Stealing ideas and technologies?

[Observer]

MS is feeling the heat coming from MGS4 and FFXIII already.

And they forgot to mention Killzone2.

[jaehyt]

Granted, even though I don't like RPG's, I know and freely admit that FF has a monstrous following and MGS does also, but I really don't think MS is "feeling the heat" already when they have just released Bioshock, about to drop Halo 3 and PGR4, and right after that will unvail Mass Effect (even though I'm not intrested, it will sell HUGE!). I think MS is feeling pretty damn comfortable right now.

[mighty_douche]

your all the same...."meh we dont want MGS its crap!" "you keep your FF, no one likes it anyway!" what a load of BS, if tomorrow it came out that MGS was coming to the 360 you'd all be loving it!

whats with fanboys?? im more of a pc fan but i dont go on forums saying how amazing nvidia is and ATI is crap, they're just pieces of hardware, im sure most red ring of death's are related to fanboys shooting their baby gravy over the console. just for a laugh, try leaving the house and meating a girl that you can love rather than the faulty white box in the corner....

[TheMART]

I think its just teasing...

"That's the thing. Hopefully we're at the tipping point right now, where people will work with you and say, "We're going to make money the old fashioned way". Clearly there is a content and development necessity when you're the new kid. We're seeing that change over now when we have the install base and we will continue on our commitment to growth."

I really feel that both MGS4 and FFXIII will be on the 360 in 2008 also. Konami and Square Enix both want $$$$$$$$

[mighty_douche]

kidding yourself mate.....

[cloud360]

I wud rather have the people enjoy the games my companiy create... not everyone wants money....

Never know Square Enix boss maybe a sony fan or loyal to sony. Or maybe his stinking rich he doesnt care..

I wud have people enjoy my games on wan console... so not everyone is after the money

[Pika-pie]

DUDE! Just forget about it, there is no way its going to happen. MGS had a chance of appearing on the 360 but the have come out and officially said its PS3 exclusive. FFXIII is being designed to run on PS3 hardware only, SE do not need M$ to sell this game, it sells itself and it will make millions in the process.

You should stop worrying about what your precious box hasnt got and just be happy with what you have i.e Bioshock, Halo.

Stop trying to read between the lines evertime a developer/microsoft mentions either one of these games.. Just accept it.

[SofaKingReetodded]

is this

"warhawk will average a 6"

[TheMART]

Ah nice you only pick that one.

I also said Lair would be about a 6 to a 7 and Heavenly Sword would be a 7 to a 8 max. I was pretty much right on those.

I also said that none would be AAA, and Uncharted will be the only exclusive this year to reach AAA status.

Still pretty much on track about the games. Although Warhawk surprises a bit. THough it also got a 6.5 and some other low reviews. But it'll be around an 8 to 8.5 average. WHich is good for PS3 fans.

[Shadow Flare]

mart, there's very little reason to read your comments

also, you don't have warhawk. It's awesome. Probably more fun then Halo 3's multiplayer will be. Tch, tough luck

Back on the ignore list you go

[rukusa]

Hahaha right on bro! :)

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

If you base everything on reviews then you obviously don't have an actual opinion Mart.

I will be number 110 to ignore you.

[batman2million]

so when people don't have a valid argument, they just end up ignoring themart..

smart really

[paracardium]

Every 3 weeks xbots are still wishing for ps3 games. Really pathetic go play 3fixme and pray it doesn't freeze/melt/brick up and the many other problems it has.Sorry to say FF and Metal gear will be ps3 only but keep dreaming that they will come to 3fixme.

Just like xbots argueing that Warhawk is coming to 3fixme on other sites lol.

[beavis4play]

3fixme is hilarious-bubble for you

[iceice123]

No 360 fan wants warhawk, we have much much much better games. As for MGS4 and FF, I hope you guys can hold on to them, you really need them just to stay alive.

[loo]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

nice video to help people, and please be nice and give it a good comment.
BOth xbox and ps3 and wii are fine , just play

[Says you]

Starts buying exclusives Sony can buy exclusives to ah! duh! it seems that guy forgot that Sony is rich to and can buy exclusives to be put on the PS3 and plus Sony has 110 exclusives considering their is new games and what does the XBox 360 only has 82 exclusives like wow! and besides Sony doesnt even need to do that considering theirs more exclusives for PS3 than XBox 360 anyway!.

[DeZimatoR]

Warhawk got other bad reviews?

Such as? The lowest score apart from that laughable 6.5 was an 8 from a few sites/mags, being the best score two 90's.

Anyways, don't even know why I care to explain, its pretty obvious you get happier when PS3 games gets bad scores then when you are playing on your 360...which is truly pathetic.

[J@D]

"Lets be honest. There's only two major franchises that are talked about not appearing on our platform: Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid."

A voice coming from the sky said:
Aleluya! Finally they admit and lose any hope for it cuz it's a good thing. Xbox got they own exclusive and PS3 hold they exclusive I think its a good deal to me.

[KenBE]

MGS and FF are both good series. But if both will appeal to a Microsoft audience as they do to a Sony audience, that's a whole other story. Konami tried once releasing a MGS-title on the previous console of Microsoft, it was no real succes. The JRPG-titles on Microsoft's new console haven't been selling - so far - that great either.

Comments about the series stated above without any backbone is just immature. They are both great to a great mass of gamers and there are people who can't enjoy these games, but I can and it's a reason why I will buy my PS3. They should remain exclusives, so the crowds stay separated and both manufactures can focus on their main audience. This is looking at in black & white, but this is the only way to make something clear in this discussion over here.

[Violater]

Well said.

[PStriple703]

is getting so old....

[jay3]

Now i just need to finally get enough money! Argh!

[Z501]

But from this thread,it would seem otherwise.Now with that said why don't you all(360 fanboys)write or e-mail MS & tell them what other games you don't wanna see on your console.
"We never liked those games anyway"Pfft,thats a load of crap.But i guess it's somewhat true,cause all the 9 year old American Halo players love their 360.

[Alymon]

Seriously people, who the hell cares? If you want the exclusives from one system, buy that system, if you want the exclusives from the other, buy the other.

Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages and we've all heard them thousands of times. Just move on. Pick the system best for you and stop belittling other people over their choice at what's best for them.

Metal Gear and Final Fantasy are great franchises. Will the new ones be great? Who the hell knows? They could be... or they could flop. But it has nothing to do with which system's technology is better. The developers put it on a system because they think it will sell on that system. Not because they think one system is better than another. They don't care about which system is better, they care about which system will make them more money. It's why you see more and more titles being released multi-platform. So long as its profitable to port a title from one to another, they will do it.

I'm glad PS3 has Final Fantasy and Metal Gear. That's great for them. If I was that into either of those titles, I would've bought a PS3. Would I like to see them on the 360? Sure! Because it would benefit alot of people. Would I buy them on the 360? I probably would buy Final Fantasy, but not Metal Gear.

Maybe we need 50,000 more articles announcing that a known exclusive is still exclusive..... because that's some great journalism! /sarcasm

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

not everyone is a spoiled brat you know, some us need our money for other things as well.

[Alymon]

Where do you get spoiled brat? I have a 360. I would buy a PS3 if I wanted the exclusives there, but I don't want them, nor can I afford to spend $600 on one.

You misinterpreted what I said. I meant buy whichever system is most appealing to you, and if you WANT both and can afford both, than buy both.

I should've indicated that exclusives don't benefit gamers and that not everyone of us can afford both just for exclusives. My mistake. But I wasn't implying that all gamers can afford to drop $1000+ on just the consoles alone.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

oh ok, I thought you were so I was like wtf.

[Bill Gates]

The XTURDS don't deserve MGS4, or FF Series for that matter.

Have fun playing Viva Pinata 2,3,4,5,6,7.....AAAAHAHAHHHA

[Takumi86]

Look how Desperate xbots is

here's the Facts
360 is Dead In Japan
360 is Dead In EUROPE
360 is Soon To be Dead in U.S

[g4n]

Final fantasy is not a FPS... so it wont be on the 360.

FFXI was already on the PC (windows, microsoft) WELL before it was released on the 360. they already had the licenses and contract to distrubite the game thats why it's on the lolbox...

Most ppl (that i know) who like the 360 dont like Final fantasy. they only like another s-s-shooter... Lame.

[g4n]

"360 is Soon To be Dead in U.S "

i'm not a fan of the 360, but you may want to re-think that. the US is the only place the 360 has been moderatly sucessful. thats becuase the games avaiable appeal to a lot of americans (not me) all that fps crap.

its also a fact that the US has a much lower general IQ then Japan and UK... makes ya proud eh? all the dummies like FPS's...

[xCAPTSTONERB91x]

both loser empires stuck on islands all alone......makes ya feel proud eh really smart people.....

[xCAPTSTONERB91x]

ive never played the metal gear games but mgs4 looks cool hope it comes for the 360 but i wont be that sad cuzz ive got assassins creed,halo3, bioshock,cod4,halo wars,endwar,mass effect,fable 2,pgr4 and etc. so yeah wont really ruin us 360 gamers. as for final fantasy.........what a piece of crap

[Godoftheweek]

Confirmed.

[loo]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Please comment

[Rhezin]

still very early to tell, next year I bet both will be on 360.

[Takumi86]

I just pick up my Copy of LAIR

30 minutes Review

9+ for the Graphics its Amazing your eye will bleed it got that Gears of war Graphics , draw distance detail its oustanding , they fixed the Fire effect too

3 for the gameplay for 30minutes of playing i say its really bad i hate the motion control thing its messed up the game. they should have option analog control or motion control . Warhawk have this option you can either play motion control or analog control

Im PS3 fan

on my opinion you will regret buying this but if your a Graphics lover don't worry this game will make your Eye Bleed. Score 6/10

the Gameplay it hurts a lot

[Relientk77]

to the loser with the Hulk picture.... yeah! FIRSTKNIGHT .... geez shut up ...ur on every f*king story praising and licking the balls of microsoft u have the 360 ok we get it u wanna have sex with it ok w/e just be nice and stop dissing systems not made by microsoft.... ur like THE MART .. u 2 fanboys ... just go away and let gamers read these articles and enjoy the news

[TheFatOne]

Ok i made this short video for all of you to enjoy. This is why MGS4 and FFXIII will be PS3 exclusives.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[tplarkin7]

PS3 has sold about 1.7 million units. Microsoft has sold about 6 million 360s.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/fi...

FFXIII and MGS4 can't be ported to the Wii. This means these games are coming to 360, unless Sony pays big bucks, which they won't because they can't afford it and it's never been the model for Sony to buy exclusivity.

[heroman711]

SELLING POORLY, man u on crack. they are selling 40 k a week. 360 and wii still selling more but remember ps3 use to be selling half of wat they have now.

[tplarkin7]

Madden 08 sold 4 times more copies on 360 then on PS3.

[Kyur4ThePain]

You just said that the 360 has sold about 4 times as many as the PS3.
Then you go ahead and say that Madden has sold about 4 times as many copies for the 360 as the PS3.
WTF dude. What's the point in that one?

[gEnKiE]

ummmmm...you do realize that the 360 has been out a year longer than the ps3..dont u?

[Ahhhh]

This site is so stupid.. well no actually the people are. Fanboys are stupid, the same dam arguments are stupid, the PS3 is better than the 360 is stupid, the 360 is better than the PS3 is stupid, why can't you people just grow up and realize they both have their ups and downs.. yes the 360 has the red rings of death, the PS3 will last longer, the PS3 has crappy games, 360 has better games. yes the PS3 will get better game but till then just shut up 'bout all this stupid sh!t. seriously.

[Ahhhh]

This site is so stupid.. well no actually the people are. Fanboys are stupid, the same dam arguments are stupid, the PS3 is better than the 360 is stupid, the 360 is better than the PS3 is stupid, why can't you people just grow up and realize they both have their ups and downs.. yes the 360 has the red rings of death, the PS3 will last longer, the PS3 has crappy games, 360 has better games. yes the PS3 will get better game but till then just shut up 'bout all this stupid sh!t. seriously.

[Ahhhh]

sorry bout the multiple post cpu lagged...

[DragonKnight]

First of all, currently, any games made for either system can (from a technical standpoint) be done on the other. It doesn't matter if it's Gears of War or not, it can be done. But, there are sacrifices that have to be made for both systems. Oblivion is proof of that.

Second, no MGS4 and FFXIII will not be jumping ship. The developers know their games, and if they say it's not possible, then you better bet your ass that it's not. Maybe not from the technical side of things, but MGS4 and FFXIII were designed for the PS3, down to the last pixel. FFXIII has bee stated to be for the PS3 because "the PS3 is the only system that can realize our dreams for the game".

MGS4 is for the PS3 for two reasons, it's history with the brand, and because Kojima loves the challenge of the PS3. It's as simple as that.

Next, the PS3 can drastically outperform the 360 in graphics, but to do so the RSX has to work in tandem with the Cell, and Sony hasn't released any information on how developers can go about doing that.

http://www.motherboardpoint...

Next, the PS3 is a better console all around. It's sales are impressive for the lack of games it has had, and it is coming out with so many impressive games over the next few months leading into next year that it can't be stopped. Halo 3 is the only real threat, and that will die out soon enough.

After Halo, what does the 360 have? Nothing. At least not until Gears of War 2. And I know, all you xbots are going to cry with your Mass Effect, Bioshock etc.... garbage, but those won't sell on a Halo level.

The PS3 has time, the 360 doesn't. And MSoft and it's subsidiaries are spending their time insulting, or trying to one-up Sony that they aren't spending that time focusing on the more important matters.

It's a shame really.

[Nervsys]

"First of all, currently, any games made for either system can (from a technical standpoint) be done on the other. It doesn't matter if it's Gears of War or not, it can be done. But, there are sacrifices that have to be made for both systems. Oblivion is proof of that. "

So all games can be on both systems, right DragonKnight?

"Second, no MGS4 and FFXIII will not be jumping ship. The developers know their games, and if they say it's not possible, then you better bet your ass that it's not. Maybe not from the technical side of things, but MGS4 and FFXIII were designed for the PS3, down to the last pixel. FFXIII has bee stated to be for the PS3 because "the PS3 is the only system that can realize our dreams for the game"."

No, MGS4 is now only possible on PS3, according to DragonKnight?

"Next, the PS3 can drastically outperform the 360 in graphics, but to do so the RSX has to work in tandem with the Cell, and Sony hasn't released any information on how developers can go about doing that. "

Now you're saying the PS3 is graphically better than the Xbox. Where? And don't say 'wait' or 'KillZone2' or any other vapourware.

For someone making fun of other peoples views, you ain't half inconsistent!

"After Halo, what does the 360 have? Nothing. At least not until Gears of War 2. And I know, all you xbots are going to cry with your Mass Effect, Bioshock etc.... garbage, but those won't sell on a Halo level. "

And what on the PS3 will sell on a "Halo level"?

"The PS3 has time, the 360 doesn't. And MSoft and it's subsidiaries are spending their time insulting, or trying to one-up Sony that they aren't spending that time focusing on the more important matters. "

Actually, this is where sony went wrong. All that "next gen doesn't start until we say so", and "you'll buy it even if there are no games" rubbish.

And before you ask, I have a PS2 and a 360. I was on the list for a PS3 preorder, but sony decided to dump on us europeans and I cancelled it. I may buy a PS3 one day, but it's going to take a lot for sony to win me back.

[DragonKnight]

Now, why would you try to shoot down my post with such a bad attempt? Seriously.

Now, I won't even bother with your first comment, because it's completely irrelevant.

"No, MGS4 is now only possible on PS3, according to DragonKnight?"

-That's funny, I thought that I said "MGS4 is for the PS3 for two reasons, it's history with the brand, and because Kojima loves the challenge of the PS3. It's as simple as that." But maybe that was just me. Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me and I didn't say "Maybe not from the technical side of things" meaning that they can technically be ported but the developers state otherwise. Yeah, I didn't say that at all. Good eye you have there.

"Now you're saying the PS3 is graphically better than the Xbox. Where? And don't say 'wait' or 'KillZone2' or any other vapourware."

-And now we know your reading skills are non-existant. It's funny, 'cause I also thought that I said "the PS3 CAN drastically outperform the 360 in graphics, BUT....." Where did I say that it IS beating the 360 in graphics? Oh wait, I didn't, that's right. 1-800-PHONICS

"For someone making fun of other peoples views, you ain't half inconsistent!"

-What??? 1-800-PHONICS.

"And what on the PS3 will sell on a "Halo level"?"

-Who cares? Halo is an overrated game that shouldn't be compared to any PS3 game, especially since it's NOT on the PS3, and the PS3 is placing all their hopes on just one game.

"Actually, this is where sony went wrong. All that "next gen doesn't start until we say so", and "you'll buy it even if there are no games" rubbish."

-You're half right. The "next gen doesn't start until we say so" is wrong, but people have proven that they'll buy a PS3 even if there are no games. The fact that it's sales are doing much better despite a lack of what you xbots would call "must have" games means that Sony, and the PS3, is appealing to users somehow. Just not in the same scope that Kutaragi was implying.

"And before you ask, I have a PS2 and a 360. I was on the list for a PS3 preorder, but sony decided to dump on us europeans and I cancelled it. I may buy a PS3 one day, but it's going to take a lot for sony to win me back."

-Wow, you have a PS2. That obviously means you know everything about the PS3 right? Since the law of transferance applies I mean. Yeah, Sony really dumped on you Europeans, and they're the only company to do so right? We all know how much you Europeans are being given by Microsoft and their caring approach to users. Oh wait, they don't give a rats ass. And if xbox360defective.com were still up and not taken down thanks to Microsoft, I could show you just how much Microsoft "cares" about its customers.

Seriously, if you're going to try and shoot me down, try to do better next time. 'Cause right now, your post was nothing more than an Xbot yawn fest.

[spike]

First of all Bioshock is selling very well. About games, what does the PS3 have, nothing this year but Blu Ray Movies. Next year you guys have Medal Gear Solid 4 which is going to be a huge hit. Killzone 1 sucked so expect the same in part 2. For the 360 theres a huge library of good games. Bioshock is awesome. Madden 08 on 60 fps played very smooth. Gears Of War was awesome. Halo 3 will be a huge hit. We dont know much about next year but PS3 doesnt have that many good games neither. Im not a big fan of Final Fantasy, so im not interested.

[TheFatOne]

@spike
Hello Uncharted, UT3, Ratchet and Clank, and Haze just to name a few. Please get your head out of you a**. Both systems have game great games coming out so just enjoy them. Geesh all these fanboys make me sick.

[FiveShot Bandit]

can a non-fanboy answer this question for me?

I read the article and it wasnt entirely clear to me: did he say that microsoft had tried to purchase the rights to these games and both Konami and Squaresoft said no, or did he imply that microsoft did not try to purchase the rights to these games?

thanks in advance for the answers.

[Cat]

he didn't say, he just said that as the "new kid" they're trying to grow to a point where third part franchises like MGS and FF will work with them.

[FiveShot Bandit]

ok thanks,that was kinda unclear to me

[cmrbe]

Solely because i had PS1 and PS2 before which had all the games that i grew up to love, Simple as that. I keep on hearing about PS3 doom this and that and it dosent have or won't have any games in the future which really amuses me. The fact is for almost a year the PS3 been surviving on crappy ports and a few first party NEW IP gems like Resistance and Motorstorm but still doing ok despite the strong competion and high price point. I agree that in the end its all about the games and to be honest Sony still has way more established game franchise than microsoft which in the end i believe will lure the majority of PS2 owners to PS3 when they cross over to next gen.

[cmrbe]

Solely because i had PS1 and PS2 before which had all the games that i grew up to love, Simple as that. I keep on hearing about PS3 doom this and that and it dosent have or won't have any games in the future which really amuses me. The fact is for almost a year the PS3 been surviving on crappy ports and a few first party NEW IP gems like Resistance and Motorstorm but still doing ok despite the strong competion and high price point. I agree that in the end its all about the games and to be honest Sony still has way more established game franchise than microsoft which in the end i believe will lure the majority of PS2 owners to PS3 when they cross over to next gen.

[solidt12]

Dude. If you are a true gamer just buy a PS3 and a 360, I mean it is still cheaper than a gaming Pc to buy both systems. hell I have the Wii, 360, and PS3. I know not everyone can afford it but I am talking to the hardcore that will save there lunch money for a year to get a system. It is worth it to get all the exclusives.