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Ninja Theory: The Most Hated Developer In The World?

NowGamer: I have to deal with N4G quite a lot when writing things for the web – it’s no secret to say it’s a big source of traffic and good for getting more hits on the site. This does mean I am exposed to the opinions and general feelings of the more vociferous users on the site, and as such I’ve been able to pick up on quite a lot of anti-Ninja Theory sentiment...

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Troll_Police4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

Well, they refuse to give us PS3 owners Heavenly Sword 2 because they complained that selling 1.5 million copies was not enough so they went multi plat with Enslaved and it sold a pathetic 80k in the first month on TWO consoles. Serves them right. That 1.5 million for Heavenly Sword doesn't seem so bad now does it Ninja Theory?

@Nitrowolf2

I would love for Sony Santa Monica to do it but I'm sure they're busy withe the God of War game about Deimos, Kratos's brother.

As great as Heavenly Sword was and it's 3 years old, how does Ninja Theory release a brand new game(Enslaved) that is a few steps backwards from the game they did 3 years ago exclusively for the PS3? What was the problem?

Nitrowolf24942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

Sony owns the IP don't they? If they do then they should just hand it off to other devs. I wouldn't mind if Santa Monica did it, but then again they might be bored with hack and slash ( i mean they might want to try something else before they get back to that genre)
Heavenly sword was such an awesome game

@Troll_Police

Isn't that the one for PSP? they are done already, also we don't know what happens to him so we need to wait till the psp game release to know whether he is alive or not to be in his own game then.

Kamikaze1354942d ago

Let Platinum Games do it. After playing Bayonetta, I'd be down to playing any hack and slash game they release.

Pennywise4942d ago

Kamikaze135, that is the worst idea I have ever heard.

Cold 20004942d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

No only PS3 fanboys hated them because they refuse to treat Sony like God like they do.

But now with the DmC reboot, well I guess they got everyone against them.

I dont hate them for a second. Dont care to that point.

And according to the article this "hate" only seems to exist on N4G. Why am I not surprised ?

Active Reload4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

Nah, only the retards hate them. Probably the first commentor falls into that category?

motorola, who are you referring to...me? So, by your logic, I can only hate a fanboy if I hate the console also? I have no reason to hate a piece of plastic definitely not the PS3, lol. But when someone tells me that Gears 3 looks like a PS2 game, I make sure they feel the wrath of my...common sense and intellect.

My apologies if you weren't referring to me, but if you were, thats all I have to say to you before I ignore you.

Motorola4941d ago

Why are you so mad? u are a fanboy in the worst sense, you hate the Sony fanboys only and dont even say anything about the console.... pathetic...^ Sony needs to give heavenly sword to SANTA MONICA!!

ZombieAssassin4941d ago

Did you see the official NT forums when the DMC trailer was shown? The hate for them isn't contained to N4G, even the Playstation forums people hate on them, i believe their was some hate on the xbox forums as well.

From what i recall most Sony fanboys actually liked them because HS was an amazing game and most were anticipating Enslaved as well until they played the demo.

nix4941d ago

i loved HS.. i only 'hate' them because they haven't released the HS2.

i think the most hated Devs are Activision, Turn 10...

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Anarki4942d ago

I'd stop hating on them if they made me a god damn HS2!!!!!

raztad4941d ago

Keep hating on. Clearly Sony and NT arent in good terms now, so they wont touch any Sony franchise, HS included.

Christopher4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

I think the leads of Ninja Theory aren't on good terms with Sony, but I could definitely see Sony buying of NT and letting go those heads to keep a quality first party studio around who has experience developing exclusive titles for them.

I question NT's future with the money they have already lost due to the lackluster sales from Enslaved. Sure, they have Capcom to throw them a bone, but that will only go so far. They still need to pay off investors for their last game.

nickjkl4941d ago

i can see sony santa monica doing hs2

TreMillz4941d ago

They just bitch to much. "Wahhhh Heavenly Sword!!! Wahhh No Money!!! Wahhhh Multiplatform!!!! Wahhh Capcom said do it!!!! Wahhhhh We got no excuse because this game bombed too even after we went multiplatform!!!! Wahhhh!!!!

yewles14941d ago

Epic comment of the year.

Killed4Less4941d ago

Well then I'm going to have to disagree. As an owner of both HS and Enslaved, Enslaved is better in more ways than not. The combat felt a bit better in HS but other than that graphics, story and platforming/puzzle elements are all better.

NT are far from the most hated and not even in the top 10. It sounds like NT are far happier being away from Sony and it sounds like HS did not like the relationship. Doesn't surprise me and they are doing better things now anyway.

Christopher4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

Fairly certain they're not the most hated, but they don't do a good job making themselves look good in the eye of the gaming community.

Unfortunately, it's not the company that is disliked, it's those few people who talk way too much about all the wrong things that make the whole company look the way they do. This is one of the main reasons I'm glad I never got a job developing video games, because it doesn't matter that a producer or lead designer is the one that made all of the wrong decisions or said all the wrong things, it would also be my fault by association.

creatchee4941d ago

No, it doesn't "serve them right." So according to you, just because a developer hopes to be more successful by going multiplatform means they should fail? That's just silly. The deal that they had with Sony, fair or not, didn't pay very well.

Don't get me wrong - Enslaved is not a very good game. But could you honestly say that it would be any better as a PS3 exclusive? I mean, I wasn't Heavenly Sword 2 just as mu.ch as anyone else who played the first one, but just because they didn't make it or went multiplatform doesn't give me, you, or anyone else the right to hate on them or serve as good enough reason to hope for their failure in other endeavors.

Christopher4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

***The deal that they had with Sony, fair or not, didn't pay very well. ***

The main point being it didn't pay well because of their mismanagement of money. Ninja Theory blames Sony for not making money on the project, but the reason they didn't was because they didn't manage their project well and spent way more on it than they could afford.

I'm going to assume that it's going to be even worse with Enslaved since it's unlikely the sales will total up to equal of what HS had on the PS3 and it has a higher development costs due to being multiplatform.

Heavenly Sword @ 3 weeks: 270k
Enslaved @ 3 weeks: 160k

***But could you honestly say that it would be any better as a PS3 exclusive?***

If it was exclusive, it would never have seen the light of day or have been a very different game in many ways that it's impossible to say if their decision would result in a better game or not.

What we do know is that the decision to go multiplatform on their own so far has shown to not have been a good decision for the company.

mastiffchild4940d ago

NT are bitter about losing the rights to what they see as "their" IP in HS-and I would too as it's a good IP. However, they wouldn't EVER have got it out the door at all and certainly wouldn't have broken even without Sony intervening when they did to rescue a game way over budget as an Xbox1 exclusive!!

NT would be better moaning about their own mismanagement of funds or asking why MS weren't the ones stepping in to save their arses with HSD, no? HS sold well considering the PS3 install base at that point in time but were they to work with Sony, implement Move and trophies who knows how many more sales the game might garner? Instead they portray Sony as the bad guys but from where I sit I wonder if NT would even EXIST had Sony not saved HS when they did and how they did.

The state of ~Dante and the patchy game play and patchy gfx of Enslaved just show a pretty average dev with ideas bigger than their tech talent in my eyes. No hate from me but I do think they have some silly issues they need to get over. HS was, imho, a far more well realised(overall) project than Enslaved in terms of looks, depth and even story and character. Enslaved hangs together only because it's a story cribbed from elsewhere and the less said about ~Twilight Dante the better.

HS 's biggest issue was it's awful demo!!

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Kamikaze1354942d ago

The higher ups at Ninja Theory don't seem to have any common sense.

Heavenly Sword was a good game that could have been vastly improved with a sequel or prequel. Instead, they go off and make a whole new game that seems to doesn't seem to be that big of a step forward compared to Heavenly Sword (and a step back when looking at the graphics(facial expressions, skin texture, etc)). It sells poorly and I'm sure they're blaming everybody except for themselves.

Then, they have the nerve to completely destroy the cool image of Dante we all had in our minds thanks to the Devil May Cry series.

I'm just glad I'm not such a huge fan of DMC to begin with.

Lucreto4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

I don't hate them. I think their games are good as they do something different other don't.

I don't like the big talk they where doing before the release of the game. Complaining that their game was released on a slow starting console and still sold 1.5 million which at the time was a big achievement.

Kamikaze1354942d ago

A big achievement indeed. Some games didn't sell nearly as much and the devs went on to releasing sequels to them that sold even more. I think Ninja Theory just sets the financial bar a little too high and care very little for the gamers.

Killed4Less4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

So am I reading this write that people are "upset" with them because they had complaints about Sony?

I really hope that isn't the reason because that is both ridiculous and extremely and I mean extremely childish. Borderline mental, seek help kinda stuff there.

Sounds like Sony was a bitch to work with nothing too shocking. But if it leads you to stay mental things like "care very little for the gamers." like the dude above me seek help.

Genecalypse4942d ago

Ninja theory got what it deserved,

"Heavenly sword made no money for us"
Enslaved is multiplat
80k sold
"well..I..screw you guys were ruining DMC now!

Urmomlol4942d ago

Piss off Now Gamer. You guys are the worst web site on the planet. Crappy articles like this prove it.

Killed4Less4941d ago

When these sites start writing articles for N4G you know we are being played.

N4G means squat and the collection of commentors here are more fanboys than gamers with bias's that borderline mental.

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Ninja Theory trends on X as gamers fear for studio following Tango Gameworks closure

Following the closure of 4 studios, many are now worried for the future of Ninja Theory once Hellblade 2 is released.

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Sonic18814d ago (Edited 4d ago )

How is it going to sell well when it's also releasing on gamepass 🤔

Sephiroushin4d ago

Meant better to sell the studio and not closing it 🤦🏻 not to sell more games….
and games are sold anyways, you can buy it on xbox (not recommended if you got gamepass) but many pc gamers prefer to buy on steam than deal with the xbox app or pc gamepass!

On a side note to OP, the sales of studios wont happen though, especially when they want to retain the IPs, and well nobody is gonna buy a studios without its IPs; the other publishers that want a certain dev from the studio that are closing on their team can try to grab them as soon as they see they notice of the studio.

RaidenBlack4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@Sephiroushin
Well hypothetically speaking, Ninja Theory can be sold to Sony at a lower rate sans the Hellblade IP.
Sony can then welcome them to work on the Heavenly Sword IP, which they still own.
Will be a nice proposition for Sony who can continue to offer a God of War-like hack n slash in their portfolio via Heavenly Sword 2, whilst Cory Barlog & co. decides to take a break from the God of War IP & venture some other genres.
On top of that, Ninja Theory was also interested in a sequel to Enslaved: Odyssey to the West and such Sony can come to a deal with Namco Bandai regarding the Enslaved IP.

badz1494d ago

selling the studio wouldn't be an attractive offer unless they come with their IPs. MS wants to keep these IPs, so even if MS is selling just the studio, no one would wants them

Lightning775d ago

Because they're next come next year. HB2 won't hit some impossible metric within MS so they're getting axed in 2025. Leave gaming now MS.

XiNatsuDragnel5d ago

Ninja theory might as well be gone in 2025 at this rate

notachance5d ago

Every xbox studio is in danger now because there’s just no way they’re gonna rake in big money from game sales because of gamepass, even CoD was rumored to not come to gamepass because it would canibalize their sales number.

neutralgamer19924d ago

If they are smart they don’t put COD on GP day one. It’s one of the best selling games on yearly basis

Hofstaderman4d ago

Satya will make sure that doesnt happen. As you rightly put it; why kill the cash cow?

But then again, it is MS after all.....

thesoftware7304d ago

I agree and disagree. They should not put it on GP, but CoD makes real money from the overpriced MTX that people buy for over a year. They also have it all linked up to the Mobile CoD, which will incentivize Twitch spending from consumers.

neutralgamer19924d ago

Software

That’s true but keep in mind COD is the best selling or top 3 selling game every year. So yes micro transactions money is there but so are billions more

They should have tiers of GP subscriptions and the higher end tier received AAA games while everyone else gets them in 60 days

MontyeKristo4d ago

Wouldn't putting it on Gamepass be smarter? Cod is typically played, I believe, for far longer than 6 months.. if you get everyone playing the game for a year, on Gamepass, you've essentially doubled your profit. $10 a month for a year $120 compared to selling the game once for $60.

Not to mention MT's, on top of it. Sell on PS5, PC and Switch, keep it on Gamepass for Xbox and PC. Much smarter in my opinion..

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-Foxtrot4d ago

Also if you punish a studio for releasing a great critically acclaimed game which won some awards then what chance does anyone have

Elda4d ago

After this mess, I highly doubt the next installment of COD will be on Gamepass day one. It'll probably land on Gamepass 6 months after release date.

Noskypeno4d ago

Like I said earlier, I wouldn't even mind. There's a good selection of games on GP already, and it gives me time to play my backlog of games while allowing the games that need to sell millions of copies to make a profit a chance to succeed, a win win scenario.

badz1494d ago

not putting CoD on GP is sort of a violation of their own marketing though. they said ALL MS 1st party games will be on GP day 1, not some. CoD is 1st party, so to not put it on GP day 1 would be considered as false marketing.

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Rynxie5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Ninja theory games were never big sellers. I could be wrong, but I doubt hellblade 2 will sell millions. I would rather they go independent and make heavenly sword 2.

solideagle5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

heavenly sword is Sony owned IP. this will never happen as original didn't sell enough...

Wikipedia: "In 2008, it was reported that a sequel to Heavenly Sword was in-development at SCE Studio Cambridge, but was canceled due to Sony no longer seeing it as a commercially viable product"

Flewid6384d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I remember. I feel like the amount of time & technology that has passed would make a sequel a big seller now. The game has enough legacy recognition to build hype.

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15 PS3 Games That Would Absolutely Shine as PS5 Remakes

GB: "With this feature, we talk about 15 games on the PS3 that should be remade for the PlayStation 5."

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kenpachi33d ago

You left out The Darkness games bring those back

fan_of_gaming32d ago

The head of Nightdive Studios has posted that The Darkness is on their list of games they want to do, so hopefully something comes from that

Yi-Long32d ago

Little Big Planet 1 and 2 deserve a mention, IMO.

Good call on Motorstorm, a game released 2 gens ago but still looks and feels so good. Motorstorm 2 and Motorstorm RC were gems as well. They followed up the Motorstorm games with the brilliant Driveclub, which still manages to put modern racing games to shame. Imagine closing down a studio as talented as that ... (!) Incredible.

A little 'arcade-gem' back then was The Last Guy, a top down 'follow the leader' snake-like game where you had to find and lead survivors to safety during an alien invasion, on terrible looking 'Google-earth' maps. Graphics were poor, even back then, but would love that same gameplay with modern maps and graphics.

Street Fighter 4, once it finally had a full roster, was quite good, but it was always an ugly game, sadly. Imagine bringing that back while using the current SF6 engine.

fan_of_gaming32d ago

Good suggestions, I'd be in for
LittleBigPlanet
LittleBigPlanet 2
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Motorstorm: RC

purple10132d ago

God damn I love motorstorm so much

At the time I had a low-mid range sony 40” tv, The latency to the controller was waaaay too high, would to play a modern version

In saying that later I got a 3d lg tv and playing the 3d motorstorm in my bedroom with the environment crumbling around the track, was something special, specially compared to what others were playing at the time, will always remember that

Skuletor32d ago

Some good choices here and Resistance: Fall of Man is my most wanted PS3 remaster/remake. Not sure about their claim it was Sony's answer to Gears of War though.

CrimsonWing6932d ago

I’d rather have sequels than remakes. Look at Dead Space 1 Remake. Would’ve been cooler if we got a new entry and it failed with sales sealing the fate of a sequel rather than just replay the same game and it fail in sales and we never get a new entry.

Remakes are great for things like PS2 and earlier games to really get a crazy new graphical coat, but I think we should ease up on all these remakes and actually do sequels.

fan_of_gaming32d ago

Yeah for sure, sequels would be ideal. But in the current market environment where many big publishers are risk-averse, I'd rather get a remaster or remake that a developer can do on a budget that will be approved, rather than nothing for an IP.

Inverno32d ago

I rather they remaster and port over to PC and current gen all the games permanently stuck on PS360. Those games don't need remakes, they need to be given a chance to live again outside of their confined consoles and then give a few proper sequels. Like Sleeping Dogs, Motor Storm, LA Noir, should get another entry.

fan_of_gaming32d ago

Yeah I'd be fine with remasters of PS3 games too, they don't have to be remakes.

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Former Hellblade Director & Ninja Theory Founder Explains Why He Left The Studio

Former Hellblade director and Ninja Theory co-founder has offered an explanation regarding his departure from the now Microsoft-owned studio.

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XiNatsuDragnel36d ago

I hope he forms a new studio soon

Cacabunga36d ago

It is a good studio.. i really enjoyed their dmc game that i platinumed it.
I did not try hellblade, because it doesnt tell me much.. Enslaved was very mehhh
Heavenly Sword was good not great. Amazing graphics back in the day but so repetitive and not so engaging in the long run.

stoney10135d ago

I really enjoyed Enslaved and Heavenly Sword back in the day. Wish they'd return to that sort of game. Hellblade isn't really for me to be honest. Not saying it's not a good game, I just couldn't get into it.

Popsicle35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

That is fair. I enjoyed Hellblade but can definitely see how it isn’t for everyone.

Would like to see how Heavenly Sword would have turned out if developed today. It’s easy to forget that games like Heavenly Sword were unprecedented and in their infancy.

shinoff218335d ago (Edited 35d ago )

Enslaved has been their favorite game for me. Loved the atmosphere.

1nsomniac35d ago

Heavenly sword was a staggeringly good game!! One of the most memorable of the PS3 generation in my opinion.

Babadook735d ago (Edited 35d ago )

Heavenly sword was good. It had ambitious graphics and as a result the frame rate suffered and as a result the gameplay suffered. But the story was phenomenal. Great acting, especially Andy Serkis as the king.

Jingsing35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

"Microsoft" we all read between the lines. We have seen the exact same thing happen with many of their other acquisitions

InUrFoxHole35d ago

Jesus man! Try reading the article at least.

cthulhucultist35d ago

One thing that pleasantly surprised me, was the Switch port, as back then it was my only console. The graphics were amazing and the artistic design helped a lot to enhance the visuals.I took some really impressive screen shots while playing which I still revisit them from time to time to remind me what a capable developer (QLOC) can achieve with weaker hardware.

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