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Nintendo posts half-year net loss, a first in seven years

After three years of record earnings, the mighty house that Mario built is reporting a net loss of ¥2.01 billion ($25 million) in the fiscal first half ending 30 September versus a profit of ¥69.49 billion a year earlier. In addition to the adverse affects suffered under a strong yen, Nintendo's sales for the first half of its fiscal year were down 35 percent to ¥363.16 billion due to lower demand for its Wii console. According to the Wall Street Journal, this represents Nintendo's first net loss in the fiscal first half in the last seven years. The future outlook is pretty grim too with Nintendo forecasting an annual profit drop to the lowest level in six years as Wii console sales decline for the second year in a row. Ouch.

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NewsForMe4946d ago

Blame pirating, everyone is doing it.

360RRODFIX4946d ago

how is this possible? Ok they don't sell as many units, but they make money on every unit sold, on both ds and Wii.
Can someone explaine? Doesnt make much sense to me.

SpoonyRedMage4946d ago

The exchange rate is really bad and instead of having lower earnings every quarter they put all the losses into the last quarter so it looks like they lost a lot last quarter. This quarter they nearly balanced because this quarter was profitable(obviously) but overall for the half it's still negative. It's weird.

Trroy4946d ago (Edited 4946d ago )

If you haven't noticed, Wiis now come bundled with a Wiimote + WiiSports, like always, and now they also come with: a nunchuk, a WM+ add-on, WiiSports Resort. Also, the price dropped by $50, on hardware that was pretty close to a rock-bottom price to build, when it released.

With all that stuff in the box, and the low price, I'm not so sure the Wii hardware is super profitable any longer.

On top of that, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo was trying to woo software publishers back to the Wii, by cutting licensing fees back -- which would yield a pretty hefty drop in revenue. They have to get the publishers on-board again, somehow.

Seferoth754946d ago

Wii always came with the nunchuck. Cost for M+ and Resort is minimal at this point. we know M+ is cheap and resort covered its development costs long ago.

It has nothing to do with the Wii. It has to do with Nintendo buying up parts for the 3DS and probably some increased R&D on a Wii successor.

GodsHand4945d ago

Uhhh, no. The first release of the Wii only had the wand, you had to buy the nun-chuck seperate.

Seferoth754945d ago (Edited 4945d ago )

No it didnt dude. It launched with the nunchuk for free in every country. Can you provide any link of when it was announced to be included? Since it launched that way I know you cant.

So uhh no someone else and this time have a reason to.

http://press.nintendo.com/G...

N4OGs4945d ago

pokemon black and white and such. that leads to people pirating and not wanting to get it when it finally does come to other territorys.

Nintendo needs to stop ripping people off with these half arse compilations like the super mario bros collectors crap for 30 bucks. It doesnt even have super mario world, super mario 64, or sunshine like it should for that 30 bucks price.

Lower the price on the vc for them old arse games everyone can play for free through the internet. Nintendo drives people to pirating with there rediculos virtual console game prices and there half arsed compilations.

release games like earthbound worldwide. dont make kirby into a crappy little kids epic yarn game. That crap is way to kiddy. make a kirby superstar sequal u dummy nintendo.

Get better online for there games and make some new franchises because all i seen is the same old mario, kirby, zelda bs.

punchout remake should of been punchout 1+2 and not freaking dk as the last guy.

Nintendo is so cheapskates
nowadays.

Muletroid4945d ago

well they aren't ripping anyone off because no one is being forced to buy the mario collection its a limited edition for collector so whoever wants it gets it

they CANNOT releases earthbound outside of japan because of legal issues
as for kirbys epic yarn the reviews are among some of the highest and the sales look to be excellent it says something about the product

nintendo does make new games/franchises just because they aren't as big as mario,zelda and the others doesn't mean they aren't there

as for punch out the first and 2nd were generally the same game so i don't get it?

Solo2274945d ago

Cant wait for Nintendo to finally make a next gen console...

eagle214945d ago

Have you seen worldwide numbers? Have you seen the new EU numbers? Wii is still on top and that means no one is even thinking about catching up if you can't even outsell it once..LMAO. ;)

Honky Kong4945d ago

Nintendo has lots of money. Lots...

Skullomania4944d ago

The article says differently.

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MSI releases new RTX 4060 Ti bundle that fans of Monster Hunter will love

MSI celebrates the 20th anniversary of Monster Hunter with this unique bundle that features a matching RTX 4060 Ti and game controller.

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Why Xbox believes it must cut costs and close studios

Companies, particularly public companies like Microsoft, need to grow.

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gold_drake9h ago

i mean its pretty simple, they spent close to 30 billion in acquiring activision, they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen.

its just shit that because of MS's miscalculation alot of people lost their jobs.

Jingsing6h ago

This is exactly what many people said would happen including the CMA and FTC. Lies lies and more lies and they allowed a $69 billion buy out to happen.

gold_drake6h ago

oh yeh it was 70 billion. that was my bad haha even worse.

thesoftware7306h ago(Edited 5h ago)

gold,

You can't be serious, right?

Do you think that MS thought they would make 80bill in a year & Half? They haven't even released titles under MS yet, lol.

But in fact, that A/B revenue is already paying off, look at the last earnings call. That $80 billion is long-term money, my guy, no sane person/company would think they would make that back in any short-term situation, it's a long-term investment.

Let's play silly then. If MS's reason for laying off staff and closing studios was due(which it really was not) to the A/B deal, tell me what Sony's reason was for past studio closures, the recent 900-person layoffs, closing Sony London, shutting down Dreams, and closing Japan Studio? Zipper? Psygnosis? cuts at all their internal studios.

Keep in mind, you are claiming MS's reason is because of the A/B deal; please explain Sony's reason.

Hofstaderman5h ago

You actually still defending them? Sheesh.....

gold_drake5h ago

this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt.

and of course not, but im pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. they didnt, and closed off some studios.

its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case.

romulus235h ago(Edited 5h ago)

(It really was) due to the Activision Blizzard deal and the loss of physical sales due to gamepass. You keep bringing up Sony in all your posts about this, stop deflecting and trying to change the topic, this is about MS and what they are doing.

BehindTheRows5h ago

Has nothing to do with Sony. Stay on topic.

notachance5h ago

once in a while you see someone too invested in their make-believe console war that everything happened has to be connected to said war…

a bit of banter between fans is normal, this crusade you’re doing now isn’t.

Chevalier4h ago

Wow idiotic. You bring up very old closures not that there haven't been recent ones from Playstations, but, seriously stop deflecting. This has NOTHING to do with Playstation.

Does Playstation got $3 trillion behind them and daddies wallet? No they don't so stop making a fool of yourself.

Xbox has never been profitable really and they just keep losing money so between their worst hardware sales, terrible 3rd party sales and now terrible 1st party sales.

Gamepass numbers that are no longer being announced shows their numbers after 3 years of missed targets has flatlined. Plus their recent gains up to 34 million were ONLY because they folded Gold members in too. Absolutely take your idiotic rhetoric out of here. Keep on topic without deflecting.

S2Killinit4h ago

Ayayayay with these xbox/MS excuses.

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thesoftware7303h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Drake,

"this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt."

You are correct that it's not an MS Vs Sony Topic, but when exaggeration and imagination mix from a one-sided social group, similar examples are needed to ground radical thoughts; in this instance, the example was that shutting down 3,4,5, even 6 studios during a restructure/ buyout/acquisition is not some anomaly(it can suck) that has to be dissected or spell doom and gloom.

"But I'm pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. They didn't, and they closed off some studios."

But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue.

"its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case."

The fact that they did make money, kinda throws this out the window, and besides, you don't wake up and say, hey let's close a studio, you look at the output, you look at the dev as a whole, the long term and short term, you weigh it against all other studios and goals, you keep key members, ect..then you close if they are the weakest links...which by MS analysis they were.

Again, I will make a small Sony comparison, just so some of you can understand and see past the bias; Insomniac, ND, and Bungie have made some of the best games ever created, yet Sony saw fit to cut jobs in every of these studios, even tho Insomniac & ND are the biggest producers of PS games, leagues ahead better than Tango and Arkane, yet, they saw cuts, mind you, while being the TOP produces of PS first party. They were told to cut costs, and more jobs may be on the line, and Bungie is being threatened by a hostile Sony takeover. Put that in perspective, as I know that layoffs and dev closures are different, but if the best of the best is getting cut off, it is less than surprising, that lesser studios are closing.

@Cheva,
My response fits well with your comments as well. You even went on to prove that the dev closures are not just due to A/B acquisition. Then you point out Sony has less money than MS, inferring that MS should keep devs open that they see as lesser earners, while Sony having less money makes it okay to close them. lol...it doesn't work that way.

gold_drake3h ago

im not reading all of that. u have ur opinion, i have mine.

thats rly it.

but this aint sony vs ms.

ApocalypseShadow2h ago

You're trying to compare a 100 billion company to a company that has 3 TRILLION worth. SIE has to live or die on their own. And in turn, PlayStation has helped the main company again and again. Sony has to balance out what is working and not working in the company.

While Xbox has Daddy Warbucks footing the bill to keep the platform afloat. They have been bleeding money from Nvidia hardware in the OG Xbox, the RROD fiasco, the attempted 2013 DRM nonsense and the lies about being the most powerful console in the world and the losses of paying out millions to prop up a service hoping it catches on with enough subscribers to justify its existence.

They're not comparable if Xbox isn't allowed to live or die by its actions. It's subsidized. Revenue isn't profit. And if they were profiting on their own, they wouldn't be closing developers. If they were profiting, they wouldn't need Daddy Warbucks spending 80 to 100 billion buying up 3rd party publishers to sustain a loss leading platform.

They stopped announcing game sales, stopped announcing hardware sales, stopped announcing game pass subscribers, they are putting games on their competitors platforms but you're telling us that they are doing great even after killing jobs and closing developers at Xbox.

Stop drinking the Kool aid. You're drunk.

anast6h ago

They are going to use AI for a large portion of the game development process. Upper management need bonuses and the shareholders need more money. So, people will lose their jobs.

Skuletor6h ago

Maybe they were already using AI to make business decisions, which would explain why they closed Hi-Fi Rush's studio, then said they need more games like Hi-Fi Rush not long after that announcement.

Crows905h ago(Edited 5h ago)

They shouldn't have bought any studios. Some is okay...but they went on a shopping spree...stupid

Einhander19724h ago

The better question is why did Microsoft buy publishers for a service they were subsidizing they knew couldn't support.

And why are so many websites trying to make people feel sorry for Microsoft instead of truly criticizing the fact they are closing studios and killing jobs that would have been fine if Microsoft themselves hadn't gotten involved.

Quit feeling sorry for Microsoft and start feeling sorry for the industry and the all the gamers who are actually losing out.

THIS IS MICROSOFTS FAULT.

RNTody4h ago

The first thing that happens after any major acquisition or merger is a consolidation of the whole new portfolio, which includes cutting any excess, bloat or portfolios that don't fit the larger MO of the big boy. So far, it's been par for the course with Microsoft and that's why gamers have been so against this acquisition. Tango Gameworks is the beginning. You think Microsoft wants to pay to keep small timers like Ninja Theory in business?

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that Microsoft will improve any of these studios, but plenty to suggest that they will get rid of what they don't need and hold onto the IP. The real agenda of the acquisition was always to acquire The Elder Scrolls, Diablo, Fallout, Call of Duty, Candy Crush etc. that will create millions in passive revenue stream for Microsoft regardless of where the games release. Microsoft simply wants their cut.

Because of Games Pass Microsoft has no interest in investing in new IP which is risky and requires creative talent they can neither nurture nor manage. Game Pass has also not grown in the way Microsoft expected it to, even post acquisitions. Therefore the logical thing to do, without serious money makers to release, is to cut as much cost as possible.

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7 Deserving Games That Never Got Backward Compatibility

Backward compatibility works for many games on newer consoles, but titles such as The Simpsons: Hit and Run have been left out.