Black Ops violence 'went too far' - Treyarch

Call of Duty: Black Ops makes use of a new facial animation capture system so realistic that it had to be toned down for some kills.

[Iceland]

Damn, a lot of bad news all around us lately.

- ICELAND

[Longrod_Von_Hugendon]

Holy shit Gary Oldman and Ed Harris are in Black Ops? This shit just got real.

[Unbornkirkster19]

haha nice reference to The Rock

[bratman]

this is what your comment reminded me of...

[Killjoy3000]

You can even execute people online in Killzone 3. Grow some some balls, Treyarch. Make use of the great tech that sets this installment apart from the others. Because texture wise, I think MW2 looks cleaner so far.

[nickjkl]

get a headshot in killzone 2 and it blows their head right off

[BiggCMan]

yea i love that in killzone 2. remember people, many many kids buy call of duty. i was out today getting my hair cut, and the lady was telling me how she pre ordered this game for her 11 year old kid. wtf?

[y0haN]

Shooting heads off? Wow. What a new feature to gaming!

[MEsoJD]

wrong with these pussy game companies? Mature games = for adults.

[gameraxis]

santa monica let me rip the head slowly and tortuously off, all while the skin slowly started to tear and u could see muscle tendants and veins stretching, to a Greek god named Helios.

no kahunas

u make a game about the instinctual brutality of man in their most primitive form, set in a theater of war, u should be willing to portray to the T (ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TECH IS THERE) how it would be in real life...if ur not willing to go the full distance in the genre ur trying to create, your making the wrong game! Try a farmville clone. Will this make the game any worse? No, but will it be that much less than it should of been, even if by such a minuscule amount? Absolutely. Its already getting an M rating like GOW did, ESRB isn't going to make it an A rating if GOW wasn't (for those of u who haven't played GOW3, take my word for it). This decision was made not for the target audience that will make them millions, but for the Fox news' of the world, which in the end would bring controversy ie attention to an already incredibly well established franchise boosting sales even more, like we've seen with the previous installment and current games hosting the taliban... just to name a few

[PHOSADRA]

I soon as I read the title
I thought....

"How can WAR be too violent?"

ITS WAR !!!
What are the soldiers supposed to do? Play patty cake with the enemy?

[theonlylolking]

HAHAHAHAHA call of duty looking to real? Its only to real if it looks 2x better than killzone 3 and crysis. The animation probably did not look that great because past COD's did not have great animation. Although now they are using full body motion capture but will they use it for all animations?

[dragonelite]

What cod animation looks gold because they can use more frames to animate a 1 sec movement.

[Baka-akaB]

uh ? with that kind of logic Pixar animation is crap then .. their movies are released in 24 fps , 48 max if going imax HD ...

[Dr Face Doctor]

...but it's mainly due to clever use of shaders and animation. The textures are 'meh' and the model quality is okay, but I find it impressive how well the game is held up by the shaders.

This includes lighting effects, shadows, reflections, etc. I've rarely seen such good looking weapon viewmodels, and that's all due to the shaders baby. :D

[gameraxis]

and lighting

[tacosRcool]

I sense this will be an ok game

[Unbornkirkster19]

oh kay Sarah from Team America, everyon needs your intellectual input....lol

[BYE]

Wow, Treyarch must be really desperate for hype to make such ridiculous statements.

[raztad]

LMAO

[Baka-akaB]

i can already imagine the great convos between tweens ... "holy crap did you hear that!! Black ops animations were so da bomb and real they had to censor themselves! For real i gotta get that mofo!"

[Garrus_Vakarian]

No one talks like that.

[Baka-akaB]

sadly some actually do

[NarooN]

The only people blowing this out of proportion are the interviewers and all of you for making a big deal out of it. They didn't release a fucking trailer saying "HOLY FUCK THIS IS WHAT IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE BEFORE BUT IT WAS TOO HARDCORE SO WE TOOK IT OUT"

[AwesomeJizz]

They will probably remove the gore and put some nice poo poo instead

[chazjamie]

i would buy the game if they did that.

[bigboss911]

well in one vid that they showed on gametrailers, they were using the same mo-cap that was used in Avatar. Which is pretty impressive.

[Der_Kommandant]

So there you have it people, we've reached the point where killing in games is too realistic.

It's all downhill from here

NIIIICEEEEEEEEE!!

[Nihilism]

I don't think there should be any first person controlled scenes where you slit someones throat, that is going a bit too far, not that I can't stomach it...it's a f-ing game. But there are people, namely the children of irresponsible parents who's parents buy them games regardless of ratings, who should not see that $#!=.

That said...there is 5 Saw movies, wtf is wrong with the movie industry is a more valid question...

@Der_Kommandant

*slits throat and a golden coin pops out like in mario*

@Nitrowolf2

"7"!!!!??? why would anyon want to watch 7 of the same f-ing story?.

*pictures a bunch of pseudo-goth hippies watching it and pretending to be bad ass, then crying them selves to sleep*

[Nitrowolf2]

there are 7......
which just makes it worst

[BannedForNineYears]

"Which just makes it worst"

~____________________~
Lrn2grammar.

[Sarevok]

Don't be such a wuss...

One time I ripped a guy's head off WITH MY HANDS and used it as a flash light.
Saw the skin rip and everything. :3

[gunnerforlife]

looool ahhh that was nasty alright :)

[Da_Evil_Monkey]

If dumbass parent's allow kids to play the game, it's their own damn fault when their children attempt to imitate the game or are mentally damaged by it.

and on the subject SAW films, they are a prime example of how extreme violence is accepted in other media; but in games it is seen to be 'wrong', mainly due to the ill-informed who think that video games are only for kids.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

@Nihilism

That's the same exact thinking that will get games banned soon. "What about the children of the.." blah blah. Fuck them. They shouldn't be playing these games. If their parents buy them the games, they should take full responsibility.

[Ares84PS3]

...when I shot someone blood went flying all over the place. In MW2 when I shot a guy money was flying all over...I mean in MW2 we where playing agains Activision ??? Because the dudes sure had money in their bloodstream instead of actual blood.

I like violance in shooters...that's what they are. Violet games..so what is too far in a shooter???

[Sarevok]

lmao... bbl+

[red2tango]

you just discovered the whole IW conspiracy

lmao great post bbls+

[schommerc]

awful grammar.

[Mafia2200]

Lol

am guessing Treyarch will become even worse than IW, just give it a bit more time, after they make 100s of millions out of this MW2 clone

Loving the hype Treyarch..!!

[xAlmostPro]

if you still consider this a mw2 clone you know nothing..

[acky1]

disagree...videos show it looking near identical to mw2. everyone can see with their own eyes that it looks the same in both graphics and gameplay.

[Paralex]

MW2 and Black Ops look nothing alike. Pay attention to detail. The art style isn't even the same.

[acky1]

Obviously the art style is gonna be different with a different developer, different location, different time-period...but the whole look and feel is very similar as to be expected from a sequel of an extremely popular game, why change it that much?

Have to say, http://www.youtube.com/watc... <- this video reminds a hell of a lot of one of the mw2 missions.

[No Way]

You retard, do you not see the "Call of Duty," in the title?
Well, damn, I guess GT5 looks just like GT4, they both have cars!!!!

It's essentially a sequel. Of fucking course it's going to look 'similar.'
Come on, now, I would hope you're not this stupid..

[acky1]

ermmm, thats what I just said - "to be expected from a sequel"

But even from gt4 to gt5 there will be noticeable improvements in the graphics at the very least. I expect quite a jump between sequels in a franchise in one way or another, (thats why a love the mgs series along with many others that break the mould with every new game) otherwise it's not worth my money. Black ops hasn't shown much if any change at all.

Retard.

[No Way]

My reply was actually toward your first post.. But, my point still stands.
And, I sure would hope that there would be an improvement from gt4 to gt5.
There is only so much you can to do to improve graphics in the same gen..
GT4, was on PS2, correct? GT5 on PS3.. so, of course theirs improvement.
MGS3 on PS2, therefor MGS4 will be automatic graphical improvement.
Use a better argument..

Everyone keeps saying they look the same, well, fucking duh, no shit.
It's still the 'same game.' It's Call of Duty. You want different? Get MoH.
If you would pay attention, instead follow the pack, you would notice changes.

Move along.

[acky1]

Ok, lets hear all the changes that we've seen so far. Not just different guns etc but actual changes? I mean changes that you don't have to pay attention to see...I mean changes that grab you as soon as you see it and think, 'wow that looks brilliant'. Only one I can think of is splitscreen online. Great feature that should be in more games.

So far, all I've seen from black ops is something that I could be playing on COD4 right now.

I guess my main point I'm trying to get across is it doesn't change enough to warrant a sequel in such a short space of time. 4 COD games in one generation is milking it...even tho they're from different devs.

[No Way]

Let's see: New weapons, new perks, changed perks, more balanced.
New maps, new dressed up character models, all the customization.
New game modes, game types, can drop prone, new kill streaks.
The kill streaks are much more player interactive, awesome.
Not to mention, the zombies are back. That adds a lot from past MW's.

I mean, if those things I listed aren't enough to warrant a sequel..
Then, well, honestly.. you tell me, cause I have no idea what is.
That's more improvement and changes than most sequels implement.

I agree with you about the milking, don't get me wrong.
But, it's getting annoying hearing almost eryone say they are the same.
Seeing as there are plenty of improvement, upgrades, and implementations.

[Sam Fisher]

all those "improvements" sounds like add-ons, patch updates, and etc IMO. acky1 wants something innovative, not just taking everything and put it all in one big pile, something that defines this game in seperation with the others. sounds to me, you just called treyarch lazy.

[Moragami]

This will Fuck.. You... Up... Press "A" to continue...

[MidnytRain]

lol +bubble

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

yes don't ask me again i will not be offended.

[Ripyealip]

thier is no such thing as too much violence. theirs always ways to make it more violent....what we need is more violence in video games more realistic physics more realistic animations

[Mr Tretton]

I actually wish they would bring back the violence of WaW. Because it looks like they've taken it out. That's probably the 'went too far' BS, as if they haven't done it before.

[Brixxer600]

I thought this game had an 18 rating ? ,I'm 40 years old, who are they to decide if it's too nasty for mature gamers ?

[doctorstrange]

I doubt they could do something that would disturb me

[cmrbe]

and more excuses.

[SeanScythe]

To realistic... Sorry I ripped the head off a God in God of War 3, Gutted a cenitar, cut off the legs, I placed plastic bags of the head of people in man hunt. I think breaking someones neck isn't going to damage my mind.

[Bounkass]

Too realistic? I thought thats what people wanted? Realism... Now they're getting it, and now it's too real... Wtf?

[Sirhc92]

Treyarch stated that theyre CUTTING BACK on the violence they will have in CoD: Black Ops cuz they said its TOO VIOLENT! wtf!? in Modern Warfare 2 when u shoot ppl MONEY FLIES OUT instead of blood, so now Treyarch said they went TOO FAR!?
man, just have a mode that turns down the violence just like the "No Russian" level or somethin instead of taking out REALISM! bullshit!

[writersblock]

I kind of want to see some of those animations, to see how REALLY realistic they are

[blakstarz]

man...they should keep that....could of made it an unlockable feature or an option

[Scenarist]

On the PC version we got a shot of someone figuring out how to adjust it and we can play with it maxed lol. (some type of file edit probably ... its probably simple enough)

[NewsForMe]

You won't even notice the enemies face that well.

This is violence http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Also this http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This is way more violent than any facial animations http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Skizelli]

It's WAR. War is brutal. Don't sugarcoat it. And most of all, don't take Hollywood's approach when portraying it (*cough*MW2*cough*).

[yamzilla]

it looks so real /s

this game looks ok on pc

and dated as hell on console

[creamsoda]

Facial animations toned down? Probably in 3 years time, blood will have to be banned too.

Manhunt is the only game to me that seemed to go "too far", but that game was awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[tonynguyen06]

Gore makes me happy.

[appleseedexm]

because I think MW2 was the most real shooter ever. I mean, there is no other war game that shows you that war is just for money. (Uh, somebody got offended?)

/sarcasm off

Well, its quite simple. Pics or it didn't happen. Just talking about "this and that is beyond the border, even for _mature_ gamers" (while pretending that they only wanna make a game for >18s) is so lame, that cries for a Wolfenstein: Black Ops. Pussys@Treyarch.