Gran Turismo 5 drops below 60fps - Kaz 'begs forgiveness'

Polyphony Digital boss Kaz Yamauchi has admitted that Gran Turismo 5 occasionally dips below a 60FPS frame-rate - but said that his studio is "working towards perfecting" the game.

[MGRogue2017]

.. OMG, It drops slightly below 60FPS at certain times.. OMGAWD!!! It is the end of the world as we know it!! :O

.. Modern Warfare 2 doesn't always stay at 60fps either.. Move along. -.-

[Cloudberry]

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"There might be times when you have a certain combination of conditions that come together - especially with the weather effects - [when] the game might briefly drop from 60fps"

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I've read before about the frame-rates would drop in rainy races.

But I wonder of what other "certain combination of conditions that come together".........

[Danteh]

Kaz Yamauchi is known for his OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder) towards perfectionism

I appreciate what he is doing and I'm sure when we finally play GT5 it will be an absolute masterpiece, but if they keep Yamauchi doing things for the game, he will never release it lol

C'mon, nothing can be 100% absolutely perfect, we just want to play it!! :D

[Lifendz]

Funny how the usual people that complain about "butthurt PS3 fanboys" aren't in here stating the same about 360 fanboys. Wonder why...

Anyway, An occasional dip isn't that big of a deal. Kaz, the game will never be perfect. After this long it's time to put it out. Whatever you can't get in GT5 you'll get in GT6. And you can always patch the game.

[rlm42]

@Danteh The guy is a nutjob.

[ConanOBrien]

means < 60fps

nevertheless they are "working towards perfecting"

The PS3 just needs more time for perfection.

[thor]

Kaz ought to stop his attitude towards perfection. Perfection =/= taking ages to polish certain aspects of your game, and neglecting other aspects.

We don't care if PD manage to keep the framerate at 60fps if it means no weather or night racing and only 6 cars per track.

I would rather PD just released the game rather than trying to make the game better, but in fact only marginally improving the game whilst greatly increasing the weight of expectation.

[gaden_malak]

"I would rather PD just released the game rather than trying to make the game better"

You'd rather a game be released rather than it being as close to perfect as possible?

[InTheKnow]

There's no such thing as perfection...it doesn't exist. Having said that, trying to maintain 60fps in this type of game is all anyone can ask.

I just hope this isn't the start of excuses. On other forums around the net the rumor is the delay is in part to the complaints that Sony and Poly have received from those who have reviewed the game. Release the game and let the gaming public have chance to play it and see for themselves. Telling everyone the problems is not a good idea UNLESS they stand out like a sore thumb like 60fps that drops to 10-15 fps...that will be hard to ignore or forgive.

[thor]

Read the second part of that sentence. They are NOT making the game significantly better through the successive delays. They are only increasing the weight of expectation - for every month spent on the game to make it 1% better, people expect it to be 2% better and it's not.

I would rather they released the game rather than taking another few months to make it only 1% better. "It's been delayed so often, what's the harm in another couple of months?" This is the gambler's attitude and he ends up bankrupt. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses.

By your reasoning, you would rather they spent forever on the game because a game can ALWAYS be improved in some way. This is stupid - and in reality, a game will improve FASTER if they actually release a game, get critical feedback, and then put that feedback into the development process for the next game.

[sikbeta]

I want the GAME NOW!!!!

Please....

GT5 FTW!!!

*waiting with the money in my hands*

[rockleex]

Hitting each other with all the physics and damage calculations going on

as night shifts into day or vice versa

while rain rain particles are pouring and splashing all over each and every car and the windshield effects

with the reflections and lighting on each of the 16 cars depending on day/night, weather conditions, the cars around it, the surrounding environments

going through the Nurburgring at speeds over 200 mph

in 720p 3D or 1090p non-3D

OBVIOUSLY the framerate is going to drop.

Again, even COD doesn't stay at 60fps. And its a sub HD game with no shader or post processing effects, with 2D sprites for smoke and lights.

[DatNJDom81]

I see it now. GT5 scores:

IGN: 8.3 (we waited too long and theres no excuse for framerate drops)
Gamestop: 8 (UMMMMMMM, too much variety for a racer)
edge: 3 (PS3 exclusive, drops in framerate interrupts my night driving in the foggy rain. The tires seem to hydroplane in the water. Doesnt happen in real life.)

I'm too tired to even try the rest. A slight framerate drop doesnt mean shit if the game is great, which I know Gran Tourismo 5 will be. It will get hated on of course but when your on top, it comes with the territory.

Look on the bright side. I doubt this wont have jet packed cars.

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[InnovatedMind]

BEST POST EVER!!!! Have a bubble! That literally made my day!

[darthawesome90]

I thought the human eye could only see 24 frames per second so why is 60 frames per second such a big deal?

[thor]

The human eye can see a LOT more than 24fps. In fact there isn't really an upper limit because the eye doesn't work in terms of frames. 60fps looks a lot smoother than 30fps. Especially in games without motion blur. It would be possible to distinguish even higher framerates as well.

[darthawesome90]

I just did some reading and you are right. The human eye can see around 70+ fps but the brain will only notice 25-30fps and anything below will seem choppy. When it comes to a tv or computer monitor it takes time for the color to fade so a higher fps does matter. Also the human eye fills in gaps with motion blur so the higher the frame rate the less guessing the eye has to do.

[zoks310]

The combination of rain being kicked up by the car tires, plus the effect of the light from the car headlight hitting that same rain drop, and that same rain drop is mixing with the smoke from the exhaust of 8 cars on the track revving and making life like engine sounds and so on......

[hassi94]

"Funny how the usual people that complain about "butthurt PS3 fanboys" aren't in here stating the same about 360 fanboys. Wonder why...

Anyway, An occasional dip isn't that big of a deal. Kaz, the game will never be perfect. After this long it's time to put it out. Whatever you can't get in GT5 you'll get in GT6. And you can always patch the game. "

Maybe 'cause at the time of your comment, not a single negative comment had been made about GT5 or the PS3 (or any other console/group of people).

Don't get so defensive over everything, just ignore the ignorant.

[hamood]

@DatNJDom81: that EDGE review is probably going to be identical to what you said

[MikeMichaels]

It's amazing how humble he is, all things considered.

...and believe the quote from him regarding any dips below 60 were pertaining to a full start grid of 16, in the rain, splashing water all over etc.

I'm willing to let it slide for those reasons.

[FighterJoe]

Yep thats correct, the statement was made at TGS over a month ago (yeah so it's old traffic hunting news) and Kaz said when you have 15 other cars in the rain at a grid start when water sprays it may dip below 60fps briefly and he apologizes.

[seann]

you forgiven my angel.

[SaiyanFury]

Agreed, I as much as I'm anticipating the game, I also know the man is humble and Japanese. They typically seek absolute perfection in everything in life. He wants to make his baby as flawless as possible before delivering. It's typical Japanese business as usual if you know anything about their mindset. I say he take all the time he needs until he's satisfied. That would be the honourable response. :)

[Rainstorm81]

I want the game now...... im sure it will be the holy grail of racing games but can we finally get the game please.

For all these guys hard work i hope the game is universally loved ( of course there will be haters) Many people say there is no such thing as a perfect game but it wont be for lack of trying on Polyphony Digitals part.

[MmaFanQc]

who said GT5 was supposed to be locked at 60fps?

[Strikepackage Bravo]

in fact we were promised 1080p and 120fps, PS3 cant even lock a racer at 60fps. Its funny Forza 3 was locked at a milky smooth 60fps at all times.

[King-Leonidas]

Errr... Forza runs at 720p...

[BusterFang]

LMAO Forza 3 at 60fps? Orly?

[Strikepackage Bravo]

Yes Forza 3 is locked at 60fps, what rock have you been under, amazing how you guys always rip Forza and you dont even know anything about it, never even played it!

[Dee_91]

1. Forza doesn't have half the amount of cars GT5 has on the track at once
2.at 720 and 60fps is nothing to 1080p 60fps
3.yes it is quite funny that you find it funny to still be comparing a game that came out years ago with the same amount of content as the second just with watered down cockpit view to a game thats not out yet but still has twice as much content than all 3 .. i mean if you really want to compare we can because sonning trolls is amusing to me

[Redrum059]

wellsaid dmarc

[Biggest]

Forza 3 has flying cars. No amount of FPS or p can top a simulation that has flying cars. They are exactly like my stable of flying cars that I totally have in real life, which is what Forza 3 is a simulation of. Flying cars. Seriously.

[ChronoJoe]

Forza 3 isn't locked to 60 FPS, and dips during more intense moments... the same as GT5.

[Dee_91]

why are you defending a troll nobody said forza suck but when you try to say its better than gt5 of course people gonna call it out

set the bar to a new low ?
correct me if im wrong but this a gt5 article right ?
nobody mentioned forza but you and dipshit ...

[Blaster_Master]

LOL, who the hell plays forza anymore? Hahahaha!

[DeathMetal]

Does not run at 1080P, only the menus are 1080P, who cares if it's not 60 FPS, it's close and looks incredible. You won't even notice any framerate drops, just enjoy the damn game when it comes out.

[Honky Kong]

who is playing gt5? not you.
will you really play gt5 for more than a week?
Its true the sony fans are shocking, i just dont get how so many people can act the same.
someone need to write a book before this generation ends, then again the ps3 will be around for the next 20 years...

gt5 looks great!

[Blaster_Master]

I will definitely be playing GT5 longer than a week. I've been playing GT3 since launch, and its still my favorite racer. Hey you asked and im just letting ya know. You can exclude me from n4g's wanna be gamer list. I've been gaming since I was in diapers. Watched all the nintendo cartoons growing up. Im not just a gamer at heart, its in my dna. Unlike most of you who just starting gaming this gen. Now back to playing some FF7 on the psn. Good day to you sir.

[HDgamer]

360 fanboys in a ps3 article and yet you two are claiming ps3 fans are the worst. Go back to playing your definite arcade racer along with power rangers in bulky toy marine suits.

[No Way]

Are you still in diapers? Cause you sure still acting childish.

Good day to you sir.

[DigitalAnalog]

"If you're going from a standing start at No.16 and all 15 cars in front of you are kicking up water, there might not be 60fps at that moment."

Wow, put any other console game under that stress and I wonder what happens.

-End statement

[FanboyPunisher]

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[Mastodon]

Other games have more than cars and tracks... They usually have you know other mechanics and whatnot...

[visualb]

the calamity =P

seriously, so what? I was impressed enough it would remain 60fps, almost skeptical at the absolution of this statement.

this comes as no surprise.

[deafwing]

man, amen to that
who writes this stuff?

[PS360fanboy]

Let's hope it doesn't affect gameply much.

[renegade]

Anything above 20 fps is good so aint going to affect nothing.

[tdogg06051991]

Now praise forgiveness

[nickjkl]

good thing pcs even under the right conditions at the right level of graphics can hit slightly under 60 fps

like the last level of crysis

[EvilBlackCat]

".. OMG, It drops slightly below 60FPS at certain times.. OMGAWD!!! It is the end of the world as we know it!! :O "

well you guys are the ones who make this kind of situations a big issue... BUT hey is ok when this happens on a PS3 exclusive. "OK people move along la la la la la"

"C'mon, nothing can be 100% absolutely perfect, we just want to play it!! :D"

NO!

"Perfection takes time" remember? Why then use the word Perfection if its not going to be perfect?

Remember "THIS IS THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR"

well... Perfection takes time, a few delays and a minimum drop on frame per seconds to create a REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR.

The Real Driving Simulator MY A$$!

[xAlmostPro]

see evilblackcat..

"well you guys".. i'll say it again "you guys".. this is the major flaw when you and other 360/pc/wii fanboys claim sony fanboys are worse, they are only worse because you guys say so..

you've just came in here and started it..

from what i see the majority of ps3 'fans'(dont get me wrong theres extremely childish fanboys batting for all consoles)talk in facts.. and this is the reason when they go to 'your games' and state a fact they are being a fanboy,when they talk about a major issue in a 360 game(that everybody seems to brush off)they are being fanboys, when they support a ps3 game like this that has an extremely MINOR issue being made worse than it is yourself and other fanboys will come in stating things like "oh you guys are this n that when its 360 but not when its ps3" lol..

in my eyes that makes you worse atleast those childish fanboys are straigh up blatant about being a fanboy, your in here slyly being a fanboy trying to take the moral high ground lol..

and if you reply to this, think about what you say first please :) i own a PC, ps3 & 360..

have a nice day

[RetroReborn]

i dont get why you are so angry at a game.

[renegade]

Hey why do you just get a life and stop trolling.

[solar]

EvilBlackCat is right to an extent. i see the ps3 fanboys always bag on the 360 fanboys about the 360, about how great GT5 is going to be compared to Forza, how it will run at a constant 60fps at 1080p.

the fanboys get this idea in their heads planted by the developers themselves who brag about how great their game is going to be (see Kaz here with GT5 and Molyneux with Fable) and fall short of even their expectations.

no game will ever be perfect. not every game will live up to customers' expectations. not every game will live up to the developers' expectations.

i mean werent we promised 4D with our Ps3's?

http://www.psu.com/4D-Graph...

and we are only getting 3D now?

i mean come on people? stop being idiots and play games. GT5 will be a good game, Forza is a good game, 360 and Ps3 are both good consoles. but dont believe everything Sony/MS/Dev's tell you.

[No Way]

Both sides suck.. let's just leave it at that, eh?

[likedamaster]

@enkeixpress

You compare Gt5 to MW? How bout comparing it to Forza?

Both had to make some kind of compromise to meet expectations of 60fps.

[tacosRcool]

Such an unnoticeable drop in fps. Big deal. Even the best computers sometimes dip in fps when running games at high resolutions and the highest settings

[number47]

This is an old quote.

[Kon_Artist]

now this? im canceling my preoder

[Lyr1c]

you forgot the "/s"

[morkendo23]

if it drops from 60 fps to whatever just get the freaking game out ALREADY!!! if KAZ crew work on it til PERFECTION shit it might not released til 2011 that would be a bummer. nothing is perfect

[KINGKON51]

The thing is that in this Universe dont exist perfection.

[nsnsmj]

This is old news. Like more than a month old news. He said this back at TGS or whatever it was when weather was announced. Nothing can ever be perfect, but I do admire is ambition for perfection. I ready to play some GT5!!

[Eamon]

I saw the title and I knew there'd be an outrage here in the comments.

This is nothing but flamebait. People get angry over the saddest things.

[DevastationEve]

They promised and under-delivered. Even after all this time, you're not gonna get the promised CG-quality. BUT they still expect you to pay $60 for it.

It's gonna wow people, until they realize that they've already had much better racers on both consoles. All they can do is hope that everyone who's been wanting a racing game hasn't already bought one or are so anal about racing that they'd actually buy more than one PLUS GT just because it's GT.

[Lyr1c]

What a sad troll....

Want a hug?

[DevastationEve]

double post

[SkylineR]

The game will be great regardless. No game out there would stay at 60fps with a crapload of particle effects going on at once as Kaz said.

[avengers1978]

Just release the frickin' game already so we can get on with our lives.
No game ever, on any system, at anytime, has came out just perfect with no problems what so ever.
It's just the way things are.... NO such thing as perfect.

[J-Killer15]

@darthawesome90

You obviously haven't played fighting games before lol.

[Joe2911]

Are you telling me I'm going to have to play this game at 59 FPS :/

[KratosGirI]

No biggie.

[likedamaster]

None whatsoever.

We forgive you, now release the darn game already.

[Mastodon]

@boing

Stop it...

[Chaostar]

The modesty and perfectionism in that man are astounding!

[fafoon]

We forgive you
Perfection takes time
Perfection is GT5

[swat]

i don't

[Baka-akaB]

and we dont care

[Dude Dutch]

even own a PS3. Because that would explain your utter stupid remarks.

Do you?

[Prototype]

@Baka

Funny reply :D

[swat]

well he say we, i don't care what u care about.

[rrw]

obviously Xbox fan boy will not pleased

[Narutone66]

pleased with defective console and casual games.

[Shane Kim]

I bet he doesn't. His 360 is just out of games.

EDIT: Sry was a reply to Dude Dutch.

[Si-Fly]

More importantly Kaz says "standing start with 16 cars kicking up spray" ... just creamed my pants!!!

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Was this really necessary?

[foker]

Well the way it looks like, I am surprised it runs on todays hardware at all,.. well KZ2, U2 and GOW3 have this affects as well,..

game has wtf moments written all over it,..

[GMWPS3]

and we are yet to see it in the full clarity of our own home HD screens. Try the WRC demo and you shall cry.

[jneul]

if it still mostly stays in the 60fps range than the average frame rate will be at 60fps, seriously since when does any xbox360 game look this good have so many cars on screen and have dynamic weather effects
haters will fail, as 1080p 60fps gaming was already achieved with wipeout hd proving all bots wrong

[boing]

your comparing playstation network to fully blown retail game

[Hades1337]

Tekken Dark Resurrection for PSN was 1080p and 60fps, but look at the graphics.

[Redempteur]

@boing
did you know that wipeout HD was released in retail ( with the fury pack ) ??
did you know that it was the first full game released on PSN ( hence the platinium trophy ).

oh wait you didn't know ... i though so ..

[4cough]

Wipeout HD is not 1080p

http://insidethedigitalfoun...

[jneul]

quote from the article "In short, it's making an advanced-looking game like WipEout HD work at 1080p60 and that's pretty damn awesome."
really some people don't even read!!

ps wipeout HD is a a proper game, just because it's downloadable does not make it otherwise, and it set out to prove 1080p60 is possible

[jony_dols]

Seriously stop embarrassing yourself.

[StoneyYoshi]

dude sis you even read the link your showing us? it still says it runs 1080p. native at 1080p. a low 1080 res but its still 1080. show me a game on the 360 that runs a native 1080p. i dont believe there are. so go do some searching like you did with that wipeout topic and show me some 1080p native resolution 360 games.

make sure its a game that has alot of crap usually going on too since gran turismo 5 and wipeout got alot of fast movements and alot of stuff going on.

[Information Minister]

If you actually bothered reading the article you linked to, you would know that Wipeout HD renders at native 1920x1080@60fps most of the time. However, it features a dynamic framebuffer that can drop to 1280x1080 to maintain the 60 frames per second refresh rate if necessary. But I guess that for trolling purposes, it doesn't matter if a game runs at 1080p 90% of the time. If it drops silghtly below that even once, It's not full HD anymore.

You might want to know then, that you precious Halo has yet to reach (no pun intended) the 720p barrier. You see, that's the difference between systems. On the PS3 you get a Dynamic Framebuffer as seen on Wipeout HD, and on the 360 you get a "Custom Resolution" as seen in Alan Wake.

[lodossrage]

Another "proof" giver than isn't smart enough to read their OWN proof

[maxcer]

@dontbhatin
"show me a game on the 360 that runs a native 1080p."

the remastered perfect dark runs at 1080p/60fps and its even a DL game too!

[IHateYouFanboys]

@Information Minister: "You might want to know then, that you precious Halo has yet to reach (no pun intended) the 720p barrier. "

actually, if you want to claim that Wipeout HD and GT5 are 1080p, then you have to also admit the fact that Halo Reach is native 720p. While Wipeout and GT always maintain the Vertical resolution required for 1080p, neither of them maintain the Horizontal resolution required for it 100% of the time. in fact GT5 NEVER gets anywhere near it in gameplay - GT5 is 1280x1080 in-game, a whole 50% less horizontal resolution than 1920x1080 required for native 1080p.

Halo Reach runs at 1152x720p. as you can see, it has the vertical resolution of 720p, and slightly under the horizontal. so again, if you say Wipeout or GT5 are 1080p, you are saying that Reach is 720p.

@dontbhatin: "show me some 1080p native resolution 360 games.

make sure its a game that has alot of crap usually going on too since gran turismo 5 and wipeout got alot of fast movements and alot of stuff going on"

Virtua Tennis 3 is natively 1080p on the 360: http://kotaku.com/234434/vi...

NBA Street Homecourt is natively 1080p on the 360: http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

there have been a few games since then too, since they came out in 2007. and to put it in perspective, there have only been a few non-PSN style PS3 games in 1080p as well. i dont count PSN or Live Arcade games as being 1080p, because theyre just games that could run on the PS2 most of the time. them being in 1080p means nothing. and before you say it, yes, there are plenty of 1080p Live Arcade games.

oh and id also just like to point out that Forza 3 NEVER drops below 60fps in-game. never. it is 100% locked at 60fps, all of the time. you could have all 8 cars smashing into each other at high speeds with bumpers/mirrors/spoilers flying all over the place, and it will not drop a frame.

[Information Minister]

That was exactly my point! 4cough was trolling about PS3 games being a little short of true 1080p, when his beloved Halo (judging from the avatar) doesn't even make it to 720p. It's like a blind guy making fun of the one-eyed man. I was just pointing out that if he wants to bring Wipeout HD into the discussion, there are far worse examples on his system of choice.

We're on the same page here, except for one detail... 1280x1080 represents a 33,3% drop in horizontal resolution from 1920x1080, not 50%.

[IHateYouFanboys]

"We're on the same page here, except for one detail... 1280x1080 represents a 33,3% drop in horizontal resolution from 1920x1080, not 50%."

i was going the other way - 1920 is 50% more than 1280.
1280x50% = 640
1280+640 = 1920

so 1920 is 150% of 1280, hence the 50% comment.

[shadyiswin]

Most people can't distinguish 720p from 1080p, I hardly notice when my cable box switches resolutions, but I can tell 60fps from 30fps easily, just look at project gotham 4 so sad lol, but yeah give me 720p gaming if means 60fps are locked in thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Torefos]

I think most people can distinguish. I remember all the fuzz about the unnoticable difference between 720 and 1080p. But the tv's back then just wasnt the razorsharp new LED/3D with tons of new technology we have today.

On my 46 inch LED, I can see the difference at once, and when even my parents see the difference, I dont know who else couldn't.

I'm so excited for GT5, and so long the framerate and res are somewhere at 1080/60hz, its going to look great :D

[moparful99]

Actually shady resolutions become more descernible the larger the tv that you are viewing on gets... If you have a less then a 42" display then resolution differences are not discernible... Try again..

[Malice-Flare]

graphics chip. i hope the next time Sony goes AMD with the graphics chip, they need more business than nVidia does...

[dkgshiz]

AMD is terrible.

[cygnuszero]

^ Lol, no. AMD makes better GPUs than nvidia, the GPU in the PS3 sucks. It struggle with rendering shadows and AA, among other issues.

[rlm42]

^^ He's right.. The most avid PC gamer enthusiasts will agree AMD make better GPU's than Nvidia too

[El_Colombiano]

I must admit dkgshiz, Nvidia used to be the best by a landslide back four years ago. Though, AMD makes the best graphics cards on the planet at the moment. Nvidia seem lost and frantically trying to outpower AMD, completely ignoring heat and power consumption.

[Shackdaddy836]

AMD > nVidia

We will see whos on top when the next set of video cards comes in though. Im hoping for AMD cus I think they are the better company.

[frostypants]

Rinkuchal, the RSX is NOT the primary graphics processor for the PS3 in competently developed games...the Cell is.

The RSX is used primarily as backup and/or pass-through.

At one point in the PS3's development they considered putting TWO Cell processors in there, with one entirely dedicated to graphics.

[Malice-Flare]

why wouldn't it be the primary graphics processor? perhaps, they did consider a two CELL config, but they didn't go forward with it.

if the graphics chip was as powerful as a GT8800, perhaps the CELL wouldn't be needed for doing graphics processing (like MLAA) and would be used for other things...

[moparful99]

Sony utilized a par for the course gpu.. It doesnt do anything better but its more then adequate. They designed the ps3 to do basic graphics processing on the gpu and alotted an spe for post processing like msaa and shaders... Unfortunately third party devs don't take advantage of that spe and just use the gpu which is why ps3 mulitplat titles usually fall short of the 360 counterpart... It's not significant in most cases but its enough to allow microsoft to claim victory... With the cell being established and the cost all but paid for sony will be able to focus resources for the ps4 on things like ram, a much more powerful gpu, and a more seemless gui....

[DelbertGrady]

Perhaps another delay can take care of it?

[Captain Tuttle]

When running in 3D the frame rate will be 30fps while in "non 3D" the framerate will be 60fps if I'm not mistaken. So if there is a framerate drop while running in 3D it will be much more noticeable.

[BrianG]

I see where you going with this, but the article does say that framerates can drop below 60fps in certain conditions. That would be 2D mode.

So in 3D there is the same potential for framerate drops I'm going to assume, which will probably knock the framerate below 30fps.

Judging by the way he mentioned it, this doesn't seem like its going to be a huge problem, or even noticeable.

[Captain Tuttle]

But even in 3D GT 5 and the PS3 are still putting out 60 fps it's just that it's then split into 2 images for the 3D effect. A drop from 60 to 57 fps won't be too noticeable but I'd imagine that a drop from 30 to 27 would be. I don't know though, just speculating. I never believed Sony's line about delaying this game because of piracy and updating to 3.5.

[Si-Fly]

Ever thought of reading an article before posting? Nothing to do with 3d, and he said they're working on it so nothing really to worry about. F1 couldn't even hold 30fps so I'm not fussed if GT dips below 60.

[Garnett]

So much for C311.

[Garnett]

Wish i could delete my post, the awful headline makes it seem like its at 30fps.

TROLL headline is TROLL.

[boing]

no game is perfect

http://www.playstationunive...

http://cdn.medialib.compute...

[militant07]

if this was forza 3 youll'd be jumpin like monkeys celebrating

double standerdes

not saying i care about this news much. becuase im not into racing game.
but will buy gt5 for the sake of it

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

well atlease we can see where some of that half billion on advertising went.microsoft are proud philanthropers of the feed the troll found.where they take impoverished trolls from under the bridge, and give thier lives some real meaning (a sense of purpose some might say).god bless you microsoft, god bless you.because trolls need love too.

[lodossrage]

Oh wow, the frame rate drops for brief moments in the game you might get a second where it drops and then goes right back to 60fps. OMG OMG my world is now torn down!!!

Seriously, and for those of you that whine about this being a ps3 fanboy site, how the hell do you think THIS piece of sensationalism ever made it through if that was true? Especially with such an fanboy induced headline

[Si-Fly]

Mate, people never read articles properly! Trolls brains start to melt after reading more than 10 words in a row...

[Rai]

i guess racing fans can forgive you for that, but they probably won't forgive you for delaying the game again.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

if it doesnt go below 45 then its fine

[WetN00dle69]

The game looks beautiful!
Does it even matter if the frame rates dip a bit???
FACK NO!

[TheObserver]

I rather have them work on GT5 longer rather than releasing a POS like FFXIV. Square Enix need to learn from Polyphony Digital example if you ask me.

Apparently the XBOX community prefer to have rushed, unfinished, and broken products rather than delayed, fixed, and perfected one. It is so obvious in their trolling of delays when everyone else knows that it is best for the game as well as the consumer.

If you guys take for a moment to think about it, how many things are rushed, unfinished, and broken coming from the MS supporters and GT5 haters? Let me give you a hint, RODD. Ring any bells? How about Gears of War MP? I am guessing Kinect will be in the same category as well judging from their track record. GT series on the other hand, their record is legendary despite long development time.

Delay is actually a good thing on the consumer end. But I always forget, trolls on N4G are businessmen and stockholder not gamers. Instead of wanting a close to flawless racing game, they don't want to miss the holiday window to maximize sales.

[Mastodon]

What does any part of this article have to do with Microsoft?

Failure to Comprehend :(

I'm loss on how discussing GT5 and their 60FPS dropping due to a little strain, the article, or Kaz have anything at all in common with a competitor.

Man, fanboys are crazy.

[stubbed_out]

nnooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chrissy]

They really should have made in 30fps and free up some CELLZ power to at least get it up to par with forza 3 visually. Use motion blur for speed sense which is completely absent with 60 FPS anyway.

Game looks way to oudated and washed out bar the off screen footage.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Hmmm wonder what happened to Forza?

Oh yeah! it got WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE PLANET!

[lodossrage]

Why should they downgrade themselves to looking like forza 3 visually?

You know, there IS a reason Gran Turismo gets compared to real life. There IS a reason people have a hard time telling which pictures are real life and which ones are Gran Turismo.

Seriously, you trolls are getting ridiculous

[corneliuscrust]

Please don't feed the trolls.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

"the game might briefly drop from 60fps"

How do I know a 360 fanboy wrote this articles title you ask? BECAUSE THEY FAIL AT READING...

THAT'S HOW!

[Scotland-The-Brave]

Its not a big deal, it drops down a tiny amount, name any driving sim that is even close to what GT5 achieves?

[Scotland-The-Brave]

silent disagreers explain thy self!

[HelghastGeneral]

I like to see what would happen if sony brought these two men together with their perfectionist ways and amazing creativity what kind of game they would create even though they are different in other ways.

[Si-Fly]

One makes the best driving games in the world the other creates the longest cutscenes in the world, what could they possibly achieve of any worth?!

[GraySnake]

one awesome game...

[Chubear]

... the world is not ready for such a phenomena

[GigaGaia]

You'd see Solid Snake racing around in cars.

[PS360PCROCKS]

lol

[Antan]

He said this weeks ago......

[Kwertie]

Hilarious all the people defending this saying it's because the 360 can "only" handle 8 cars. How do you know? It's more likely that they only went with 8 cars to ensure the game doesn't drop below 60fps. I've got GT5P and it's always lagging up. And FYI, the Xbox can handle more than 8 cars. I was playing Forza 2 last Christmas when the live servers messed up and we actually got 10 players in a lobby and it ran fine.

[XabiTheHumble]

A two player increase?! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO W!/s

[Alcohog]

Oh noes occasional dips in framerate!

[maxcer]

"Our engineers complain every day: 'Isn't it enough that it's in 1080p? Does it have to be 60fps too?'

um yes, 1080p is nice but a solid 60fps will go farther than a higher resolution in my book, it just means smoother gameplay and control.

[ngecenk]

oh cmon... we dont really care about that. we know about that stuff, you're not god! cell has limit!

just bring us the game! i dont understand with all these news coming around yet no one hint a launch date!

[Holeran]

Honestly if it doesn't have some major crippleing issues while running at 1080p and staying relatively close to 60fps this is going to be the yardstick to measure every other game against in terms of performance.

[ManiacMansion]

16 cars at once?

yes.. but only at TWO tracks.. the rest are 10 cars :).

Before GT5 comes out Forza4 will blow it away.

[GigaGaia]

Forza 4 still won't be near what GT5 is.

[jneul]

gt5 will be more than all forza games combined

[GodHandDee]

Success!

[Dellis]

3D= BAD GRAPHICS

[GoldPS3]

They worked so hard on GT5 and I know they want it perfect but they don't need to stress themselves over little flaws.

[eckounltd88]

Its okey im not sweting it pfffh little under 60fps no biggie, but don't u push back that relese date i will kill you :P

[PickAShoe]

Oh my freakin god! below 60! *head exploded*.... no big deal cough

[OC_MurphysLaw]

When the game finally comes out I will play it...until then...I will play other games that are actually out instead of oooohhhhing over screen shots.

[Sc0pe92]

i just dont care anymore....

i wanna have the game in my hands before 2011 please keep your word and dont pissoff everyone i really want this game just as any other gt5 fan. im sick of the news just release it already

[SuperStrokey1123]

I cant get to the link, does he actually say hwo far it drops? Like does it drop alot or like just a tiny amount?

[BrianC6234]

If GT5 can do 1080p and be around 60 fps maybe all games should start going to 1080p. It's amazing they're getting this game at 1080p and such great graphics with so much on the screen. No wonder it's taking so long to release.

[Incipio]

Every single console game I've ever played that has claimed 60fps has ALWAYS had the framerate drop at some point.

I really don't care, as long as it doesn't go below 30.

[GigaGaia]

Game is in 1080p and at 60fps 99.9% of the time and it also has 3D. Not many games has achieved that.

Now for the delays, blame the hackers for once because it's their fault. PD wants to include 3.5 with the game. The game itself would be ready to be released now, it's done.

Well, at least, I am gonna have some time to play Need for speed hot pursuit for a while. A game with an open world like burnout, but even bigger and made by Criterion Games, this is gonna be truly epic.

[neogeo]

its drop to 16fps at times NOT COOL!

[iliimaster]

damn this game ive waited way too long for all these delays and it not being perfect? ur kidding me

[btk]

If you have 16 vehicles on screen, with weather, rain and crashes happening at the same time - well - then I would be surprised if it could maintain 60fps.

[Sikct9a]

This game is going to be insane. I can't wait!

[eddispider]

If they get it on 60 there will only be the car and the road, no roadside detail!!!

[pyramid]

They didnt mention the screen tearing(dont tell me there arent cause thats bs),2d trees,low poly roadside scenery detail.This is supposed to beat em all? Dont think so..Bring on the Ps4 for real locked 60 fps.Ps3=failed hardware.

[Dingodile]

Gran Turismo 5 : Real HATERS Simulator

[GodHandDee]

lack talent...to troll...

[Orionsangel]

Damn you asians! You take forever to make a game. The developers of Forza could have had this game done in 2 years.

[Jamaicangmr]

Yes but not of the same high quality as the "Asians" As your racist a$$ so eloquently put it.

[PS360PCROCKS]

How is that racist? They are in fact Asian, are they not? I think he was alluding to the perfectionism they seek.

[Jamaicangmr]

I guess we disagree on this one then.

[PS360PCROCKS]

yes "perfectionism"

"Perfectionism, in psychology, is a belief that perfection can and should be attained. In its pathological form, perfectionism is a belief that work or output that is anything less than perfect is unacceptable. At such levels, this is considered an unhealthy belief, and psychologists typically refer to such individuals as maladaptive perfectionists"

nice try on trying to call me out.

[ManiacMansion]

i must laugh at Gt5 pre orders ^^

Lets hope the game will surprise and sell well.. cause pre orders flop right now.

[dragonelite]

Not sure if kaz really did beg if he did fuck it come on can't have everything in.
But the article from C&V so yeah fuck this they probably mis quoted him i really hate this site.

[NBT91]

Forgiven, however you are not forgiven for the delay... That sucked.

[damnyouretall]

i love forza and im gonna love gt5. for them to make a game for 5 years and keep it at 60fps through out development has to be hard to do. if they have added so much shit over the years to slow it down,,, then maybe the game should have been released already!!!!!! i mean damn, how big does the game have to be? really

[Sc0pe92]

before we know it gears 3 will be release before gt5 *ends sarcasm*

[NBT91]

I like how people on N4G have to put /sarcasm or something at the end of an obvious sarcastic comment, just so the average N4G user knows.

[baodeus]

well, people on here don't tend to read. They always on automatic defense or offense mode. I think sometime, sarcasm should be first in a sentence w/ cap too.

[The Official]

None of you PS3 Fanboy will buy the game SMH!!! you guys always start wars and flames but dont buy anything.

Forza = 3 Excellent Racing for the Xbox
GT5 = Excellent Racing for the PS3

Simple ain't it?

I have Forza 3 and i haven't seen my cars fly though lol!!!
Also to have accomplished this much in your 3 iteration of a game is pretty good if you as me.

[damnyouretall]

yeah i never had a problem with forza 3. steering wheel made it a great game. i wish most ps3 owners could have shared the same expierence i had with the steering wheel,, yall wouldnt burn on forza 3 if yall tried it. im just sayin

[cygnuszero2]

Forza 3 is as good as any GT game ive ever played. Even better in many ways.

[mayberry]

actual sanctioned pro race driver by the scca!
EPIC WIN!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Paracelsus]

People would probably forgive them if the game released in 2010.

[No Way]

Gran Turismo 5 drops below 60fps? Seriously..? After all this time?!
I'm canceling my pre-order, now, definitely. Wait, I never had a pre-order!

But, really.. I'ma still pick it up, :)

[likeaboss302]

They should have focused on 720P and 60FPS pushing for as much detail as possible. The extra resolution is nice but it's not even a full 1080P so why bother?

[moe84]

Eh, other developers could learn a thing or two from P.Digital and Kaz. Maybe not to the same extremes... but as far as quality and "perfection".

Another month won't kill me. I have some annoying stray cats running around I can take shots at in the mean time. Should make for an interesting Halloween.

"Fluffy, shot and stuffed October 19th, 2010."
"Happy Halloween, kids"

[Dark-Cloud]

u are an idiot if u think this game won't be the best game in all consoles !! best graphics in ps3 and best gameplay with full blue ray disc , no need to say more ....
i know that i'll get alots of disagrees but it's true ...

[Blasphemy]

I don't understand why ANYONE would WANT to play an unfinished game. Just look at FF XIV.

[Skadoosh]

Sony fanboys are just embarrassing. If this was Forza 3 you kids would be laughing your assess off. Well fortunately Forza 3 runs at a solid 60 fps with near perfect crash physics. GT5 on the other hand has laughable crash physics with cars turning into paper. I can see why this game hasn't come out yet because it's still full of problems. Remember that horrible glitch a few weeks ago? I remember this fool Kaz said months ago that the game was already finished. Kaz has all you sony fanboys on a leash.

[CernaML]

Jealousy at its finest.

lol @ "near perfect crash physics."

[Skadoosh]

What's there to be jealous about? I been playing a AAA title in Forza 3 for months. How are those GT screen shots working for ya??? :)

[CernaML]

I've been playing it as well. I have more fun with GT5 Prologue. lol

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

it'd be like the 2nd crucifixion of Christ... especially on this site!

really is a shame people will stoop to such low levels to bash a game...

Wether games are Sub-HD, Non-30, on the Unreal Engine, FPS drop, whatever it might be... the shallow lengths fanboys will go to destroy a gamers fun is rediculous!

Funny thing is... most exclusive games that fanboys bash of their non-fav. console, are actually power house titles that do well constantly with every release in its series. Or fanboys bash a games sales, but still can't grasp the fact that the game is regardless... a cult classic!!!

It's really a shame this gen people are too busy playing a p!ssing contest, rather than playing and enjoying games the way they are intended too. No console or graphics changes that!

[MonopolyRSV]

Having it run at exactly 60 fps at all times is a must have, they should delay it for however long it takes to make sure they get it. But I still think it will be out by Christmas.

Having frame rate slow down at the very beginning of a race simply isn't acceptable for what is being deemed THE driving simulator.

[Finalfantasykid]

This reminds me of Kojima, when he would always say things about the game that aren't 100% perfect. Like Blu Ray disc didn't have the storage to have the 4D graphics that he had envisioned.

[xg-ei8ht]

Skadoosh

The crash physics on forza3 are awful.

As are the numerous bugs, even graphical ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watc... Grass eats car

http://www.youtube.com/watc... Pop in and track gone for a jimmy? and you knock a early gt5 bug,lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watc... is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's superforza3's crash physics, ROFL X100000000000

[horndog]

Not much longer now. Only two gens to wait. lol

[SpikeSpiegel]

Perform a seppuku on yourself and maybe Ill forgive you..

[bjh089]

wow i guarantee thats why it got delayed yet again what a bunch of bs these guys are idiots.

[Organization XII]

i would forgive him even if it drops to some 3fps, these guys are legends

[megazeroxuxm]

and i like me wii... so if you'd asked me, i'm fine with 30 fps really LOL anything above 30 is a luxury to me :D

[cygnuszero2]

But only 20% of our cars are done, we still have flat trees and spectators, and cant hold 60fps. Great.

[CernaML]

lol When people think the spectators in GT5 are still in 2D, they make it too obvious that they haven't even played the Prologue or probably don't even own a PS3.

[abczby]

Racers shouldn't drop below 60 FPS, but whatever. Hopefully they'll make up for it with all the other awesomesauce in the game...

[XabiTheHumble]

It doesn't drop during the race dummy only if your are in 16th place at the starting line while there is a weather effect.

[Shoko]

Guys, it only drops during the time that you're the 16th car in the back and the race starts while a weather effect is going.........why can't you people read? Something like that is very understandable, and the frame rate drop he's talking about isn't something like 30 fps. It's more like 1-5 frames.

[Jamaicangmr]

He said this during TGS 10.

[level 360]

Good news for the (FPS) anal-retentives out there..

..I think an exact release date would be more important.

[DXM1]

pre-ordering this even if it only has 1 FPS. Dont care. Its GT5 ppl.

[stonedgamer]

this is unacceptable.

Kaz, you have shamed our honor.

[Damiann]

Who cares if it drops slightly under 60fps, i played the demo and GT5 looked amazing! it looked better than any other game on a console. The only problem is that waiting for this game since i bought my PS3.

[Damiann]

It's just a disaster that one of the best games ever:GT5 will drop to 58 or 59 fps! only with heavy weather conditions.. I won't forgive him!!

Just release the game

[tenmohican]

Im pretty sure it will be the best title for ps3 and Im guessing I will at least put 1,500 hours of gaming into it specially if it has fine tuning and level editors.

[beast242tru]

relax kaz its aight the game will still be great crackdown on 360 looks like jagged p.o.s but people still play and like it