Enslaved takes a dig at 3D TV

CVG: Ninja Theory's excellent adventure takes a sly dig at "irrelevant" 3D TVs.

[Pedobear Rocks]

or do these guys not shut up?

Dear NT...move beyond UE3 and we'll talk m'kay.

BTW...why the F does the Enslaved website have the old PS3 spiderman boxart?

[DelbertGrady]

"To be fair to developer Ninja Theory, the game is set many years in the future, by which point 3DTV tech will indeed likely be considered irrelevant. So it's not exactly a damning attack."

I think it's pretty innocent and fun that they take a dig at such a hot topic. Wonder if the 3DTV in the screenshot came bundled with glasses? ;p

[nveenio]

The thing about 3DTVs is this: they'll be successful. Core gamers don't see it taking off, but they wouldn't have predicted the Wii's results, either. Finally 3DTV's aren't expensive. My local Best Buy had a 50" 3DTV for $999 this week. That's a good price even for 50" that's NOT 3D.

As for the article, everything is irrelevant after the apocalypse.

[Army_of_Darkness]

". "What is this stuff?" asks burly Monkey. Trip replies: "old jettisoned, irrelevant technology..."

Going as far as saying how irrelevent 3dtv is in their game is kinda pushing it in my opinion, considering how Sony is 100% supportive of everything 3D and all....

santa monica studios needs to shut these cunnts up by making heavenly sword 2 in a way that will make the first one look like a PS2 title.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

I think you guys are overreacting to NT now.

The game is on the future, everything from our era would be obsolete by that time.

And the fact you can even find this means it was around by apocalypse, just think of fossils, the fact that you can find any fossil means that probably there were a lot of those around, as the natural course is decomposition, not preservation, you would need many dead decompost to see some preserved.

Now, a 3DTV isn't a fossil, plastic don't decompose like that I know... But I'm just saying the fact they expect to people in the future to even know what 3DTV is shows it's not a dig at Sony at all. Most people around today don't know what a 3DTV is... Heck, many people are just now realising what makes an TV a HDTV one.

[Moonboots]

Are you really taking this personally?? Like you own Sony or something.. Or even more ridiculous that Sony invented 3D and if we talk about 3D it's got to be Sony.

Wow, the corporate loyalists here make me cry for humanity.

[jay2]

I wonder what their tech is, I wish they said V.R maybe.

And yeah it is a big deal when you lose 15-40GB of space. Maybe, just maybe Bungies new engine will actually make it 720P, not like their xbox 1 upgraded one.

[edhe]

Yet again:

Media space does not make the resolution of a game.

It's only been years to learn that one eh?

NB Bungie isn't 720p because they draw 2 frames for every frame in order to get much clearer definition in their lighting.

"In producing Halo 3, Bungie opted for a number of technical decisions that defined the very look of the game, leading to both good points and bad points in the overall presentation. The game implemented HDR lighting by rendering the whole scene twice at different light levels and combining the two images (a process similar to some forms of proper HDR photography). This meant that the lighting in the game was absolutely sublime for its time, but it also meant that the game itself operated at a sub-HD resolution in order to fit those two render processes into the eDRAM, plus there was no room for hardware MSAA support.

Reach manages to up the resolution to nigh-on full 720p, while retaining HDR and employing an inordinate amount of dynamic lights - every needle from the needler is a bespoke light source, for example. It strongly suggests that another major innovation is the implementation of some form of deferred rendering"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[SuperM]

So let me get this right. Bungie isnt doing 720p because they decided to render their image twice for better lightning effects? Doesnt seem like that worked out for them, because halo 3 looks bad, and telling me what they did to make it that bad isnt going to make it look better.

I do however respect the fact that the game would probably look even worse in 720p because of the sacrifices that has to be made. But that doesnt really put Bungie in a good "light" either.

[jay2]

Sorry, I ment the comments as two differnt sentences, I'm well aware of the fact considering I'm in the last year of a games developing degree.

[IHateYouFanboys]

@SuperM: "Bungie isnt doing 720p because they decided to render their image twice for better lightning effects? Doesnt seem like that worked out for them, because halo 3 looks bad, and telling me what they did to make it that bad isnt going to make it look better. "

the HDR lighting in Halo 3 is still probably the best HDR lighting in any game on these consoles. its absolutely beautiful to look at. with the 360s hardware upscaling, you wouldnt even be able to tell the difference between Halo 3 being in 720p or 640p or whatever it is.

and btw, if you PS3 fanboys want to claim GT5 as 1080p natively, then Reach is 720p natively too. they both have the required vertical resolution for those respective resolutions, and thats all that matters to PS3 fanboys apparently. doesnt matter if GT5 is 200x1080, its still 1080p apparently.

on the topic, nice little kind-of easter egg by Ninja Theory. i personally dont care if 3D never takes off and goes back to the drawing board ready to come out and give it another shot in another 15 years like it has done now. im quite happy with 2D, and even the best 3D movies in the cinemas still have noticable flickering and things that take you out of the experience.

[edhe]

Awesome lighting > mandatory resolution.

[callahan09]

I wonder why they have so much negativity. Every word that comes out of their mouths is some kind of negativity. Just be positive and talk about the hard work you put in or talk about the quality you're striving for, but stop being that guy that just has to downplay and blast everything and make excuses and be all bummer all the time, it's very unbecoming.

[Ares84PS3]

I'm not sure where they are comming from. They have a decent game on their hands, maybe two. But come on.

[jacobdevos]

is the only old jettisoned, irrelevant technology i see here is the Unreal Engine.

[Moonboots]

I do feel the same about Unreal.

However, to be fair some of the best games I've played this gen are Unreal.. From Batman to Mirrors Edge to Mass Effect to Gears of War.

How can you not give respect to an engine that has created these games??

Who knows how they would of turned out if they had to spend that extra time developing an engine.

[SexyPrawns]

Haha.

No kidding...I saw this yesterday and took a picture of it. :)

[SexyPrawns]

As funny as this was, I disagree with them. 3DTV's are here to stay. Whether the models with glasses or the models without glasses become the standard, they're staying.

[edhe]

Pretty sure it'll be the latter :)

[SexyPrawns]

Oh, I know. I'm just wondering if models WITH glasses will become popularized first.

[SuperM]

depends if they will ever be able to make a 3d tv without glasses where you dont have to sit at specific points in the room to get the 3d effect. You want a tv where the entire family can sit and watch without having concerns like that.

I know there are 3D tvs that has several viewing angles, but im not sure if its technically possible to make a 3dtv that has a 3d effect nomather where you sit in the room. If not then 3D tvs with glasses might actually be the best.

[edhe]

There's tech out there that tracks faces and alters the images sent to those faces depending on where they sit.

So yes, it will happen.

[LeXxXiNgToN]

The game takes place 150 years in the future in a world of destruction, of course 3DTVs are gonna be irrelevant there... Just like old black and white T.V.s are irrelevant to us now.
I think the guy who wrote this article took the dialog of the game out of context.

We will already be on 5DTV by that time anyways.

(yes i know there is no such thing as 5dtv, but you get the picture)

[ginganinja]

What are you ? A Holo-o-matic fanboy or summat ???

[LeXxXiNgToN]

Dang, is my holo-o-matic fanboyism that obvious? :/

lol

[SuperM]

Well ninja theory has said before that this generation of consoles are to weak for 3D and that it wont be relevant atleast until next generation. Guess they feel kind of butthurt when games like KZ3 come and prove them wrong.

[spunnups]

Enslaved is a beautiful, colorful, and imaginative game hindered and destroyed by the Unreal Engine. For those that know what I'm talking about, the engine is infamous for the plastic/fuzzy look. Now I've only played the demo, but I couldn't help but be bothered by it. Obviously the guys at NT have a great imagination when it comes to environments. They also are probably top 5 in the industry regarding motion capture, but choosing this engine for such a beautiful game is a complete waste. Go back and play HS if you don't agree. HS is what, 4 years old, and still looks better than this UE trash.

/rant

[SexyPrawns]

I've been playing the full game during the past week.

Honestly, I half agree with you.

While it looks great in some parts, it hurts my eyes every once in awhile. I think the CryEngine3 would have been perfect for this.

[SuperM]

While id rather like to see what NT could do with their own engine id have to say that from a technical graphical standpoint Enslaved is definately better then Heavenly Sword. That game came out long ago and while it did look very good when it came out and still look decent its not quite up to todays standards in graphics.

[Moonboots]

"Now I've only played the demo"

Stopped reading there.

The retail is better than the demo. But yes, it is Unreal engine. I've played every mode and beat HS in every possible way and no it does not look as good as Enslaved IMO. Maybe you need to actually own the game and look at the 2 back to back. HS has some great facial animation but the nod stops there for it.

[SexyPrawns]

After thinking about this long enough, I think this was more a nod to 3DTV's than a hit.

[ginganinja]

That's how i read it anyway.
It's also a touchstone to remind the gamer they're playing on Earth in the future - like flying by the statue of liberty in the part that's in the demo.

Seriously, anyone getting upset about this...

[Akagi]

It's as if they are trying to take Molyneux's rep. as gamings biggest mouth-piece.

[ndibu]

Mr S0L0 D0L0 on 7 Oct '10
Stuff like this used to be amusing
back in the day. You know, when we
had a sense of humour. When
spending money just meant you
bought something, not that you'd
bought a stake in the company and
feel a need to defend its honour 24
hours a day

[artsaber]

I am disappointed in Enslaved. Heavenly Sword was a much better game. It held my attention, it had MUCH better graphics. Enslaved made me sick when I was playing it... way too predictable until the game froze up on right after the annoying 1st mine field part. Pick up "fake Nariko" and throw here here, jump to the other side and help her up... very annoying IMO. It is like they "quit" somewhere, tan out of ideas, or something else. I woulda preferred a HS2, I don't care if it was even a multi-plat version.

[limewax]

3DTVs may well stay, However there will also always be a fair portion of the market that find it useless to them for multiple different reasons. So far I have a good few myself. I cant deal with the glasses, or the fact that I saw a 3d version of the TV I own for a whopping £2500, Thats £1500 more than mine costs for just a 3d bonus! I cant justify that sort of purchase to my other half...ever.

Secondly glasses-less 3d is right around the corner. But no doubt the price will be soaring above the current 3dtvs for a long time, And from early reports the technology only works well from very specific viewing angles and distances, of which are worryingly close, Im rather conscious of how close I am to a tv as I want my eyes to be working through as many game generations as possible.

Thirdly and this is the big one, My partner is epileptic, So far I have heard nothing about the health and safety standards of this technology being acceptable for people who may suffer from any conditions affected by light sources. And the needed close viewing distance would cause many issues for my partner, Yet with my current LED tv and backlight on 0 she can play red dead as long as she wants with no issues out of the ordinary. If she sits closer to the tv it causes problems within the first half hour. I could never own 3d unless the viewing distance is improved, and even then, whos to say an epileptic or anyone with light sensetive conditions can use thes products? That could leave a fair gap in marketing in the end.

Personally all I will ever want for now until proven it is safe otherwise is a OLED tv that will last more than 4 years

[ThatIrishGamer]

I bet more people own a 3DTV than buy this game so I don't know what they're talking about ;)

Irrelevant game.

[Croash]

What more can we say?

[Achemki]

A discarded 3DTV box, eh? Right next to the V-Sync box no doubt which Ninja Theory's yet to open. I guess in the future, everything tears.

[stephmhishot]

Microsoft, please, I'm begging you please, just buy these guys already. They are begging for it.

[blackburn5]

I think they have been talking to much as of late . I wouldn't be surprised if this is another cheap shot at Sony. Maybe you guys are right and we are overeacting but after the 'UC2 was too animated' and I got f**king tried of my PS3' comments you start to wonder. People do hold unreasonable grudges you know.

[Moonboots]

Loving this game. After I got sick of the jerky gameplay of Castlevania I put this in and haven't looked back.

The story and voice acting is top notch. Gameplay is a little easy but I just really like Ninja Theory's style just like I did with Heavenly Sword.

3D TV buwahaha. They are more like 3D windows, when the picture is so small it just kills the 3D effect. I'm not even entertaining them until they are in the 60" range.