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Greenberg calls PlayStation Move software into question

Microsoft product director Aaron Greenberg has questioned the launch software line-up for PlayStation Move - claiming that most games for the device are merely modified "controller-based" titles.

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MGRogue20174973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Well done, Good sir! Bubbles for you!! :D

I like to move it, move it as well :P

nveenio4973d ago

Agreed. Move is a blast.

Redrum0594973d ago

Kinect is set to release on Nov4. That's pretty stupid seeing it well get overshadowed by the much anticipated launch of GT5 this Nov2.

zootang4973d ago

I thought Microsoft don't stoop to this level?

/s

hay4973d ago

That's some really desperate spin right there.
There's just so many reasons he's wrong I'm not even gonna list them...

mikeslemonade4973d ago

Poor Microsoft and their knit-picking. If I was a MS fanboy I would have trouble defending the 360 ahahahaha.

darthv724973d ago

The move is an alternate control scheme and not a required one. That will change at some point as I am sure sony will want to have some dedicated Move ONLY titles. By that, you will not be able to play them any other way.

Sony knows they cant all of a sudden abandon the DS3 control because that is the main control focus for the system. Unlike Nintendo who's wiimote is used for EVERY title made for the wii. Maybe not fully supported but there are wiimote traces built in to each game.

Kinect on the other hand, that one will have Kinect ONLY titles. Maybe there will come a time where they will have combo games using the kinect and controller but for now....its all about the gesture based games.

I feel that both move and kinect will play an even BIGGER role in their next platforms. Possibly being the focal point to the controls right out of the box. It also wouldnt surprise me if Sony were to integrate move in things other than games. Maybe even have it as the remote of the future for their Bravia sets.

This is just the beginning.

Shadow Flare4973d ago

Aaron Greenberg, the pot calling the kettle black

What games does kinect have to offer at launch? Shovelware and nothin for the core gamer

sikbeta4973d ago

*sigh* .... *says the guy that try to sell kinectimals*

rdgneoz34973d ago

@darthv72 if they ever do games using both Kinect & a controller, it will defeat the whole idea of Kinect, "You are the controller". Then its basically the same as Move and Wii just about, which they're trying to differentiate themselves from.

CyberCam4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

I see your point. IMO, the additional controller scheme approach is the best implementation of motion controller because it eases players into the technology (especially in mid console cycle) and prepares them for the next-gen of motion controls.

There's nothing like drastically forcing people to into a new technology, you have a 50/50 chance of success (Bluray & HD DVD). Nintendo was the exception because it was new tech & such a novelty that everyone bought one, just to try it out. However, most hardcore gamers quickly realized that wasn't that great for their brand of games (in most cases).

Choice is always a good thing for the consumer!

Imperator4973d ago

So instead of giving you OPTIONS, MS would rather just force it on you? LOL, yea I'll stick with Sony's approach.

Ju4973d ago

@darthv72 What are you talking about? Sports Champion is Move only and does not work with a controller.

Others give you options, but Move only games are already here. Greenberg is a douche. Blubbing some crap to get recognized.

There will be as many "Move Only" games as Kinect only games (if not more) PLUS (!) the ones giving you options for either move or the controller.

darthv724973d ago

to those who are able to understand what i am saying. People so quick to hit the disagree are obviously seeing what they want instead of what is being said.

Move is a great option for sony and for it to really succeed they need to create the necessity for it. Just making it an option isnt enough. They really need to capitalize on what it could do.

Incentives in games that no DS3 could achieve. What greenburg is saying about the current titles on the market is somewhat true. They are existing games being patched for move as an alternate control type. Sports champions..yes there is 1 game that requires the move but then again it COMES with the move bundle.

I am really looking forward to what sony can do beyond an alternate control for LBP or KZ2. I am not downing move at all. Please understand that I (like many of you) would like to see the realization of what sony has in mind come to fruition instead of seeing it turn into another wii clone.

Quality of games are what sets it apart from the wii but unless sony comes out with some sort of quality control I fear titles COULD end up with tacked on motion support like what has happened with wii.

PSFan1004973d ago

Pew pewwww. Greenberg needs to look at kinects software first, because waving your hands in the air and stopping red balls (with lag) is the game EVERYONE wants!

Anarki4973d ago

So none of the games they designed for Kinect where ever done with eyetoy?

headwing454973d ago

What you're saying is that Sony needs to make games that can't be done with a controller, and that MR. Grennburg is right because all there kinect games cannot be done with a controller, but I don't think that makes Kinect 'better,' I think if anything, it cripples them. Sony has a choice to patch games that can use both DS3 and MOVE (RE5, Heavy Rain) or make totally new games that can't be done without a controller (Tumble, Start the party, Sorcery.) The move controller really gives sony the opportunity to pretty much create any game they want, were as to microsoft, I don't think there able to achieve that just yet.

shadow27974973d ago

Which is precisely why I prefer Move to Kinect. I want to be able to play games I like in a brand new way (a la Killzone 3 or Heavy Rain). That's the brilliance of it.

Playing "modified" controller games beats the hell out of talking to little boys and jumping around all over the place.

moparful994973d ago

@darthv72 One need only looke at titles like echochrome ii to see just how much of a brilliant idea that move is. In echochrome 2 the wand doubles as a sort of flashlight and the objective is to change the perspective of the light to alter shadows. This is simply brilliant and something that just cant be done using traditional controllers. Sony has given consumers "CHOICE" just like they have always done. With move you arent forced to use move with every game. I've already 100% completed re5 and now that move is here I have incentive to go back and play a game that I stopped playing nearly a year ago.. Thats powerful marketing no matter how you spin it. Ohh and intial reports are that retailers cannot keep up with the demand of move far surpassing sony's own expectations of sales.. This thing is a hit..

outrageous4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

If you care about those bubbles of yours you should refrain from posting any posts that agree with M$ position...even on a M$ based thread.

On Topic...Greenberg is right of course...it's common sense. The games have to be designed from the ground up to work with whatever controller was envisioned. Sony doesn't care, just patch it in there and tell them it's hardcore even if it doesn't work...like shoving your Sony Move towards the TV to pick up a weapon while your being shot at in KZ or add aiming assist to make up for the impossible to steady aiming reticule...stuff like that.

Kinect games will be unique because they will be built to use the unique capabilities built in to Kinect. The next wave of Kinect games will impress and be custom to the Kinect experience.

likedamaster4973d ago

This one always makes me laugh... http://www.youtube.com/watc...

But the author of this article is trolling. Well, anything for hits I guess.

WLPowell4973d ago

the games at launch for kinect were eyetoy games, and remember what happened last time sony made a game this gen that was only playable with motion control? (You know, didn't give you a choice?) The game was called "Lair" and the reviewers just refused to give the game a fair shake, just because of that approach. Sony patched the game so it's now playable by normal means, but oh no, the game is still crap in their eyes (even though it was never THAT bad to begin with, now since the patch the game is a solid 8.)

Now since M$ is doing the same thing, with even less impressive software than even Lair, I'm sure we will see plenty of reviews being completely impartial and giving Kinect's crap the same treatment./s

avengers19784973d ago

And we care what this person thinks about it why?
Since the Move is alot more successful then everyone thought it would be MS is doing some serious damage control.
And Kinect is basically trying to do the same thing that move is doing just in a different manor.

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hakis864973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Or anything from Greenberg, really.

Edit: Bubble for Kain81 ;D

fr0sty4973d ago

he's basically admitting that kinect isn't versatile enough to be able to be ported to existing games. he's trying to make one of move's strengths look like a weakness. hilarious.

MariaHelFutura4973d ago

MariaHelFutura calls Greenbergs sanity into question.

1:1 is for real and Kinect has ALOT to prove.

Godmars2904973d ago

Just because its likely going to need a few months after launch to prove itself? Deliver on promises made two years ago?

Do in fact what Move and the PSeye are already doing?

Theoneneo814973d ago

Dear Greenburg F*ck you. oh and if you wanna question software how about this http://www.gametrailers.com...

hmouzy4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

i just saw that video,n boys if u want play this with somebody u have to stay a way about 1m, or BAM...how this gonna work here in uk?most living rooms r 4x3m. ex;1 avarage person with both arms up in air, will b about 1m,75cm length. now make the maths, remember the living room got units sofas etc.

hmouzy4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

avarage living room size; 4x5m.well my is a 3 bedroom house, n got that size.2 bedroom may b r smaller or same size.

Parapraxis4973d ago

Got the Move yesterday (actually the bundle & and extra controller) and I've had a blast with it.
Currently playing RE5 and it's very accurate.
Move is FAR more accurate than the wiimote.
Calibration in Sports Champions takes a matter or 5 seconds and makes the game react precisely to every minute movement.
Very pleased with move, and all 4 of us who played it until 2:30 in the morning are as well.
Software is good, not great, but with the games set to be released and the few that are getting patched, Move already has a solid lineup. The same CANNOT be said for Kinect, which has shown to be very poor at what it claims to do. There's a reason why both Sony and Nintendo passed up on the Kinect tech years ago...it doesn't work well enough.

nveenio4973d ago

I picked it up yesterday as well. I've been VERY impressed. It took a little time to get my camera set up right (I have little space to work with) so that my son and I can both be easily visible, but now that it's rolling, it's really been amazing. Sports Champions is great because the different difficulty levels impact how 1:1 or gesture based the controller is. It's been a ton of fun. Unlike many of the reviews, I like ALL of the titles on SC. I even find myself jumping to spike in Beach Volleyball. And Bocce Ball is a good team-based game. The accuracy of Table Tennis is astounding

Move has my approval. Greenburg is yet to earn it.

Focker-4204973d ago

@Parapraxis

LMAO, you just copy & pasted ur exact same comment from the CVG comments.

fooltheman4973d ago

@inveni0

I jump too lol...haha

dirtydbz4973d ago

guilty as charged I am a jumper also I will have bare spots on the celing soon enough as I am 6'3" and I won't be playing with anyone else because well I am just to darn longand my living room is too dam small

LF914973d ago

ive got to agree, move is a blast to play. I got my move bundle on friday, played the sports champion demo then bought the full game today. and i love it, especially gladiators thats great fun. me and my bro have played it none stop, i hope they add online to it tho. table tennis tournaments online would be mega.

moparful994973d ago

LMAO I jump in volleyball and gladiator duel.. My arms, butt, thighs, calves forearms, chest, shoulders and abs havent stopped aching since I bought my move.. Its a workout! lol but it's soooo much fun.. Thank you sony..

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MAG_SVER4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

How about saying that most of what Kinect can do has already been done with PS EYE, so it is not revolutionary. What MS did to this generation is a Technology: Apocalypse Or Eden.

Basically what they did was try & destroy PS EYE/Sony stating that it is not needed in gaming & now make it their own by saying it is now the FUTURE Of GAMING (hell no) with this function/feature & so on.

Apocalypse Or Eden- destroying something & trying to make it more Advance for Future purpose which KINECT is NOT, it's not even WORKING properly.

How about you cover that TOPIC Aarongant Greenberg

Anton Chigurh4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

He must be h!gh on some serious drug$

shark974973d ago

don't make it personal .. and people can't choose how their faces looks right?

RankFTW4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

I had a choice of three faces when I was born, didn't you?

morganfell4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Considering the smoke and mirrors of the fake Kinect stage presentations Greenburg couldn't have made a bigger ass of himself with these remarks. Doesn't he remember being at E3? GC?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And everyone's favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

mantisimo4973d ago

but sadly the Kinect system will neither work in smoke or with mirrors.

Or in bright light, if you happen to need to sit down or are black, or in a skirt/baggy trousers.

HeroXIV4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Agree Morg, agree mantisimo.

boodybandit4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

All the links you provided are flat out embarrassing. MS has no shame at all and Greenburg proves that every time he opens his mouth.

headwing454973d ago

Videos were painful to watch :/

I can't believe Microsoft is going to sell that to people... for more then the move

insomnium4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Yeah Mike it's embarrassing. The thing that pains me even more is that I know Kinect will sell atleast twice as much as Move will. MS will throw immense amounts of money on marketing and show falsified adverts for Kinect where the lag is non existant and there are no misinterpretations made by the camera at all.

Kinect will sell atleast 4-5 million in USA but here in europe they can't lie to people without being sued to hell so here Kinect won't sell that much I would think. Could be wrong though but I hope I'm not. We don't even need to talk about Japan (I hope).

Erotic Sheep4972d ago

Wow... that third video had one UGLY girl. Was that even a girl?

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pixelsword4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Greenburg's really making it hard for me to pull my punches about kinect until I get to try it. If you're going off of what's out at launch, even if all of kinect's software is custom-made, it's still going to be mostly rail-shooters and/or simplistic controls from what we know about most of the games shown for kinect.

user39158004973d ago

I could not wait for move to come out, but now that I know what this is, I most said that its nothing more than the wii numbchucks plus. I wont be buying this at all, I stick to my PS3 controllers, but who knows, maybe they have something worth trying for it, but I dont want no more innacurate stuff like the wii controllers, I had enough of that.

dirtydbz4973d ago

it is acurate and you have to move for it to workif you don't move enough it doesn't work( unlike wii)

DigitalRaptor4973d ago

Well said. Although I think the Move is worth getting even at this early stage.

moparful994973d ago

Dude move blows the wii out of the water. Graphics are crisp and clean, sound is great, controls are precise and intuitive. Best of all its true 1:1 movement.. Every movement you make is represented in the game unlike the wii's gesture based pre canned animations.. Trust me move is worth every penny..

CyberCam4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

The biggest deciding factor is how well it's implemented into Action/FPS/RPS/RTS games.

For FPS games (the most popular genre presently) they need to make sure they allow the option for a stationary reticle (in the middle of the screen) and only move the camera, like shooter fans are use too. I've seen quite a few MAG/Socom4/Killzone 3 forum posts on the topic... I think that will make or break the acceptance of Move for the shooter fan.

ndibu4973d ago

Sports Champion 75
Tumble 69
Start The Party 55
Racquet Sports 54
Kung Fu Rider 36
Eye Pet Move edition* 69
Ok so lets tally it up shall we?
59.7 %. Except for Sports Champion, nothing on Move right now is worth picking up.

*breaking the rule a bit here since there's a version that can be played without Move. The score would have been 57% without it in we'll let it in.
By the way, this is how i got the percentages because I know we didn't all take maths in school.
(75 + 69 + 55 + 54 + 36 + 69)/600. 600 because all their scores are out of a hundred each.
So in all honesty here, if you take off your SONY shades, you'll see that Aaron is saying it like it is.

Ju4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Yeah, we are looking forward to the 100% Kinect only titles. They sure will show us. /s

Trroy4973d ago

But... all the games you mentioned weren't the ones Greenburg was referring to. He was knocking the Move for games that use the Move as an alternate controller, like MAG, SOCOM 4, Killzone 3, LBP2, Heavy Rain, etc.

Lets compare the review scores of those games to the Kinect-exclusive titles he wants to compare them to, when Kinect comes out, shall we?

weazel4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

..uh-huh ndibu. M'kay...I see what you're getting at, with your supercilious tone.
Why don't you 'n Aaron (it's cool that you're both on first name terms), magic up some statistics in two months, eh? Sports Champions, Eye-Pet, and Tumble have reasonably good scores, and its gonna be interesting to see how the Kinect release day line up pans out. So, see you in two months, where we can compare like for like. Wheeeeeee!
Fingers crossed, eh little fella!

Jonoc334973d ago

ra ra ra reviews are everything.
how about play the games yourself and then talk?

ryuzu4973d ago

Hehe.

Wii Sports - 75%
Elebits - 75%
Red Steel - 65%

See how this works?

As one more point of note - Metacritic doesn't have all the scores in their averages, and in the case of Tumble, it is rather harshly rated as 3.5/10 by IGN which is clearly a symptom of a bad review/reviewer in that case and drags the average down.

r.

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Imperator4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Greenburg really get's on my nerves.

JokesOnYou4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Speaking to GamesMaster's Rory Smith for CVG at Tokyo Games Show, Greenberg said that MS's launch software for Kinect was in stark contrast to Move's - as it had been built specifically for the device.

"I think that most of the experiences designed for Kinect were designed from the ground up," he said. "The difference is, it seems, a lot of the games made for Move are really controller-based games that [developers have] added the Move functionality to.

"Our approach has been different, because we feel that a controller is the best way to play games like Halo or Call of Duty. So we'd rather not have you have to choose between using a controller or motion controller; we'd rather design experiences that are uniquely made for Kinect.

-hmmm, despite the headline everything he said seems pretty accurate to me, the only thing to really disagree about is that move may also have some games built from the ground up only for move also, but the point is move is also more controller oriented with move support added, which btw theres nothing wrong with that its just a different focus vs kinect, so he does make a great point when he alludes to this difference with "Our approach has been different" etc...aaahhh but I guess when sony comments about micro its taken as gospel on n4g, any comment about sony from micro no matter how accurate it is, is a NO, NO, lmfao...n4g has become a sony trolled cesspool.

-I actually wish micro would copy sonys strategy with motion controls= lean more to utilizing kinect+standard controls for more hardcore experiences, I think this combination would show off kinects versatility and that would be far more interesting to me than all this casual BS I've seen so far from both companys.

JOY

strickers4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

I like the praising MS for doing Kinect only stuff.I read early on that devs HAVE to code ground up for Kinect and that putting it in half way through development or as a patch is not possible.I think MS would love have this level of software support but they can only pay so many devs at once.The fact is that Kinect would not work on games like shooters,it's too slow and unresponsive with no buttons to fire.
MS have a problem that when they release Kinect it will face direct comparison with Move.They need Kinect exclusives to avoid a head to head.Apart from dancing games I see no way Kinect could come out on top.

RBLAZE19884973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

This guy just talked himself in a circle he said move software is just a controller based games with motion controls tacked on then he said later kinect will have games that use both a controller and kinect...What a douche. Hey greenberg maybe sony doesn't wanna alienate their fans so they give them the choice of controls.

Also he said the kinect will have experiences built from the ground up for kinect...So I guess all kinect games are confirmed to be mini games or on rails...or both

tinybigman4973d ago

about all the on-rail shovelware kinect has coming. just shut up aaron and tell your company to get with the program and give me games i want instead of this kinect crap.

bustamove4973d ago

Brb, loling hard at Greenburg now.

Christopher4973d ago

As opposed to Microsoft's lineup of games, which are also controller-alternatives to existing games?

jellybalboa4973d ago

yep thats microsofts greenburger, extra onions

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bjornbear4973d ago

this guy spends half his PR Mana talking about the competiton

the other half cheering over NPD reports.

fantastic.

frostypants4972d ago

Greenberg knows about as much about gaming as my grandmother knows about grunge rock. How did this turd get his job?

Leio4972d ago

Cant believe people can get pay for being stupid :/

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vhero4973d ago

Exactly... Only fanboys need to actually comment on this article gamers stay away!

TOO PAWNED4973d ago

i agree that software is not that strong. Sports champions being only solid game so far. Please don't mention Shoot, Eye Pet, start the party and other crappy queer games. Where is that flashlight horror game?!
PSN:Globox_82 add me

fooltheman4973d ago

Eyepet is great... (it's not a gay game)
don't judge the game on it's cover...

PirateThom4973d ago

Does Heavy Rain work with Move yet?

It may, potentially, be the best game if it does.

Beat Sketcher is alright if you like MS Paint.

moparful994973d ago

piratethom heavy rains move patch comes out on wednesday the 22nd..

Lovable4973d ago

Read the article. Flaimbait title.

Oldsnake0074973d ago

seriously this site pisses me off with it's flamebait titles.

Zir04973d ago

Move needs games specifically designed for it or it will just be considered an extra like having a steering wheel controller for a racing game.

Seijoru4973d ago

And it does have games that will do that like Sorcery.

TOO PAWNED4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Sorcery, Heroes on the move are for next year . Greeberg is talking about NOW. Learn to read. Ignorant people

skip2mylou4973d ago

what games does kinect have coming out NOW, besides trash exercise crap

Sheikh Yerbouti4973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

OK TOO...Tumble and Echochrome. Happies?

TOO PAWNED4973d ago

Kinect is another subject about which i could not care less. I am exclusive PS3 owner, dont care about WIi or Kinect. thats for fanboys.
I just said that i agree about Move launch line up. Tumble, Echochrome really? Are those killer app games for move?
Kinect will suk, we all know that, but this is about move not kinect. Stop pushing kinect down my troat.

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ALFAxD_CENTAURO4973d ago

Ignoring the Facts that PS Move have exclusive designed games.

King_many_layers4973d ago

games which allow you to freely control where your character (or object) can move

Carl14124973d ago

Has he seen the Kinect line up recently?

BeAGamer4973d ago

no, his head is too far up his a$$ to even see the light of day

mrv3214973d ago

Which is unfortunate because it's not in optimal light conditions for Natal to work... Optimal light being somewhere between the light of a White star or the centre of a Nuclear explosions.

Delicious Malicious4973d ago

Yah he has and there awesome. MS answered the Hardcore gamers with Project Draco, Steel Battalion:Heavy Armor, Rise of Nightmares, Codename D, Child of Eden, Haunt, New Wrestling game in collaboration with Spike, Dr Kawashima's Body and Brain Exercises, Forza Kinect, MGS Rising with kinect,Adrenalin Misfits,Game Party in Motion, Star Wars Kinect. Thats just the game we know about MS likes to be secretive unlike Sony.

Delicious Malicious4973d ago

Thanks for proving me right everyone who put disagree. Sony Fanboys are nothing more and alot less than single minded Slags . Oh well This site runs rampant with you, like a plague. Go watch all Kevin Butlers commercials and make yourselves feel better for buying a move. Cry in your pillows, for getting raped by Kevin. HAHA Slags!

Focker-4204973d ago (Edited 4973d ago )

Are any of those good?? Have you seen any gameplay??

edit: Ummm since when is MGS:R using Kinect?? That was just a rumor and never confirmed.

Delicious Malicious4973d ago

I just gave the list of games, Carl1412 said,"Has he seen the Kinect line up recently?". Has he seen any of these games played? Well f*** no but he still talks trash. Ive made my case. The Defense Rests Your Honor!!!!

DigitalRaptor4973d ago

Sadly, 99% of those games will be downloadable arcade games. So nothing more than on-rails shooters. And only their titles and very basic description has been released. No images, videos gameplay, anything.

Rising is not coming to Kinect. Microsoft just likes promoting the fact that MGS is now also on the X360.

The rest is just you grasping at straws. The Forza Kinect demo was made so that MS had something to show at E3 for the hardcore. Yet, the demo didn't work with acceleration or braking. A racing game (touted as Simulation Racing) without those features is gonna work how exactly?

Star Wars Kinect will be a mediocre on-rails game and that trailer was smoke & mirrors BS, yet again to make MS look like they have anything good to show for Kinect.

You need to face facts dude, that Kinect is nothing more than a waste of everybody's time. Games made for Kinect are only a fraction of the games they could be (particularly in the gameplay department) because of the limitations of controller-free gaming.

Adva4973d ago

So you mention 2011 games, but forget about MOVE 2011 games? Are you in your senses? Take off those fanboy goggles.
Star Wars Kinect? The one where their pre-recorded video messed up?
Forza Kinect, lets check out the car rather than drive it, haha. Although it's not bad.
Lets not forget the video clips of those other games with no actual gameplay footage.

fuckoffodion4973d ago

The fanboy made a new account.

Bell Boy4973d ago

Can we have the links for MGS Rising with Kinect support....or did you just pull that from the fanboy bs handbook

RBLAZE19884973d ago

rising doesn't support kinect...as far as i know. if you think any of those core games will have full kinect support you're gonna be disappointed...i'd say like 25% of draco steel battalion etc will only be kinect the rest will be controller based. If they are full kinect games that don't need 360 controllers they won't be core games they'll be on-rails or mini games

ThatIrishGamer4972d ago

is exactly what we mean!! Mr. Greenberg has a cheek talking about Move games when all his own games involve EyeToy games from 2003. Hilarious. While Move people are playing SOCOM and KILLZONE3. . .Kinect people will be pretending to pet a virtual tiger! Hahahahahaha.

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest1d 20h ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN1d 8h ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

thesoftware7301d 7h ago

A much bigger screen than what?

Number1TailzFan1d 6h ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor14h ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic14h ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv7215h ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts12h ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares1d 19h ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv721d 10h ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka1d 8h ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion1d 9h ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer1d 9h ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow11d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer1d 3h ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar1d 16h ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn1d 15h ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18811d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast1d 15h ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning771d 14h ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole17h ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning771d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning771d 6h ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast1d 6h ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning771d 2h ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast19h ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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dumahim1d 15h ago

How click-baity can you get?

anast1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

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darthv721d 15h ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes1d 15h ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

KyRo1d 12h ago

It is COD. That's the Cerberus logo.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv726d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle5d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18815d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio5d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning775d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga5d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv725d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19925d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21835d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga5d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan5d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit5d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus235d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv725d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier5d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan4d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1016d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos6d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-5d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac5d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1015d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic5d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead5d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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