PS3 Hackers Gain Flash and Registry Access: Custom Firmware Coming?

With the release of yesterday's PS3 FTP server which enabled easy access to dev_hdd0, dev_flash, dev_flash2, dev_flash3 and dev_bdvd on the PS3, several developers are now examining the PlayStation 3's dev_flash and registry entries.

Forum user diemetal has let us know today that Spanish PS3 developer DemonHades has began to analyze dev_flash from PS3 Firmware version 3.41, stating the following (roughly...

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[JhawkFootball06]

In the picture it shows the ps3 having a ps1, ps2 and a psp emulator. Why doesnt sony let us use these?

[IMChampion]

if they did then it wouldn't be good for business. this is why they do what they do, to make money off of hardware and rebranded software.

[nveenio]

Bingo. Why people have such a hard time remembering that Sony is more than a company that totally supports hardcore gaming with every dime they make is just beyond me. But, it's true.

[Heartnet]

Asking the question why sony wont let u have ps2 and psp emulators is becuz the games are still selling lol its like asking microsoft or nintendo why nto deliver us free games to our door :) (and not for reviewing! hehe)

[corneliuscrust]

both microsoft's and nintendo's consoles are backwards compatible with their respective predecessors.

I just wish sony kept the BC ps3s rolling out or offered an emulation option that people could purchase.

[barom]

I think the PS2 Emu is not 100% complete and only supports certain titles and even then the titles might have issues running on the emulator. This is at least the case for the PS2 emulator for PC.

As for PSP, I'm sure they will as soon as PSP dies off. They don't wanna cannabalize their own market. One of the executives has actually said this. I think it was DualShockers interview with John something (John Hight?)

[OpenGL]

The PS3s that had PS2 emulation were only emulating the Emotion Engine. They still had the physical Graphics Synthesizer, so only the CPU would have to be emulated.

The issue with emulating the Graphics Synthesizer is that it has 4MB of eDRAM on a 2560-bit memory bus, giving it 48GB/s of memory bandwidth. In comparison, the PS3's CPU has 25.6GB/s of memory bandwidth, where the GPU has 22.4GB/s of bandwidth. This doesn't mean complete software emulation is impossible, but you can be damn sure that it won't be easy. Even if Sony eventually adds software PS2 backwards compatibility to the PS3, it won't work with 100% of the library.

[dabri5]

Every article I've ever read and posted has stated that the European models removed the PS2 hardware from the PS3 and was using software emulation to play the PS2 games. This lead to a list that had more games that weren't compatible with the European PS3 (to add to your point). It was a big deal and people in Europe felt ripped off cause they were paying the most out of all the territories but getting less hardware.
However to take away from your point, they all stated that all the PS2 hardware was removed and that the emulation was all software. Can you produce any links that state some of the PS2 parts were left in the European PS3's?

http://playstation.about.co...
http://www.destructoid.com/...

Two articles showing example showing my point.

[ExplosionSauce]

* If you bought PS2 games, that means you bought a PS2.

* So if you DO have PS2 games and you're going to buy a non-BC PS3, DON'T get rid of your PS2 in the first place.

* Only the new PS3 systems don't have PS2-BC(but all have PS1 BC).
If you already have a BC-PS3, then it's all good. BC will stay there and isn't going anywhere.

I have a PS2 and a BC-PS3, yet I don't mind buying the PS3-remastered-PS2-game collections.

But that's just me :P

[OpenGL]

http://news.softpedia.com/n...
http://www.slashgear.com/80...
http://www.hardcoreware.net...
http://www.gamespot.com/new...

Note that every site mentions the removal of the Emotion Engine, but not the Graphics Synthesizer.

The first picture is of the 60GB motherboard, and note the 4 heat spreaders (Cell, RSX, Emotion Engine, and Graphics Synthesizer). In the second picture is of the 80GB motherboard, and note that there are still 3 chips with heat spreaders. In the final picture you can see 40GB PS3 motherboard, and it is reduced to only two heat spreaders (the RSX and Cell).

[dabri5]

Ah ha, Thank you thank you thank you.

Reading further into the issue I see the last piece of ps2 hardware remove thus completely removing PS2 hardware backward compatibility was the graphic chip.

I was under the impression that the RSX was being used like the PS3 memory and the only piece of hardware that was being used by the PS3 from the PS2 was the emotion engine, which after being removed was done through software emulation on the cell.

Now I see differently. Thank you for actually providing the doc to support your point. Much more useful than baseless arguing.

So in light of this, the modding community would either have to create their own emulator OR as we discussed earlier, Sony already has a PS2 software emulator on the console as well as the PSP, PS1, emulators as mentioned by the article. I wouldn't say it is far fetched to assume that this is the case. There have long been rumors that Sony was working on a Software solution to BC. I wouldn't say its too far fetched that Sony is pre-loading a lot of this stuff onto the console to reduce the size of updates.

[Nitrowolf2]

That is interesting indeed, may be it is just for the Mini's and ps1 game that can be copied to psp (cause may be they are running like the psp version instead of the ps1)

[lokiroo420]

Not all ps3's can play ps2, get it through your head. That is included for the ps3's that do indeed play ps2 games.

[bigevilworldwide]

Except the 20 and 60gb models that play every ps2 game because they have ps2 guts inside

[Proxy]

You can run successful PS2 emulators on a 1.6 ghz processor, which is nothing next to teh power of teh cell. Granted there are a few problems, and always will be, there is no reason Sony can't provide a pretty good PS2 emulator on every PS3.

I'll be we see a PS2 emulator running on the PS3 using custom firmware soon.

I guess Sony just can't keep up with what a bunch of hackers do in their free time.

[badz149]

the PS2 emulator you're talking about is not even stable. with 1.6GHz CPU u say? LOL you're drunk! with GS and EE both unavailable on the new PS3s, I don't think the PS2 emulation will work. especially not from some no name hacker!

[commodore64]

Dude, try to follow this logic.

The ps3 and 360 are roughly on par.
Some ps3 fanboys assume the ps3 is more powerful than the 360.
I disagree, but let's run with it.

The 360 has to emulate the old xbox1, which was technically superior to the ps2.
Now, if the 360 can easily emulate xbox1 games, even with improved resolution, then running a ps2 emulator on the ps3 is absolutely possible and easily achievable, as the task of emulating the ps2 is less than the task of emulating the xbox1.
Think about it.

The ONLY reason Sony hasn't released the ps2 emulator for ps3 is that they are trying to squeeze more money out of ps2 hardware sales, which have been profitable when the ps3 was not.

Greed, pure and simple.

[ColJessup]

Can you believe that Sony would dare to try to continue to push the PS2, offering their customers a cheaper gaming option? The nerve! And don't look now, but I hear they also sell a portable game player, something called a PSP! It's unbelievable how greedy they are, offering and supporting multiple products! What greed! What corporate shenanigans! They could easily make the PS3 run PSP and PS2 games, but they choose to sell those products separately, giving their customers choice! Who does that? Monsters!

/s

[badz149]

this is not about logic! If I have a PC that can run Crysis at MAX setting, do you honestly think that my pc can emulate the PS3? no, it can't! this is not about logic but more about structure of the PS2 processing. it's not about which one is more powerful but rather can the more powerful one mimic the style of the weaker one and perform the same which is not the case with PS2 emulation. if you don't trust me, try running PCSX2 and you know that I'm not lying! PS1 emulation is out of concern because it was always emulated successfully on the PS3 and the PC as well for quite sometime now but PS2 is a different story.

"The ONLY reason Sony hasn't released the ps2 emulator for ps3 is that they are trying to squeeze more money out of ps2 hardware sales, which have been profitable when the ps3 was not." - yeah, how dare them, right? taking out PS2 chips and cut the price of PS3 so it will be more affordable! /s

[Death]

The PS3 has been emulating the PS2 since the release of the 80 gig. The Emotion Engine was removed and the GS kept since it was a custom chip. There is no reason Sony couldn't have emulated the GS also since then. I believe at the time the GS was being produced for all of $5, so retaining it wasn't exactly breaking the bank anyway. Sony removed b/c so they could sell more PS2 hardware which was profitable. I'm not sure why people think this is good. Typically people with a back catalog of older games already own the old hardware. Removing b/c made it less convenient for people with limited hookups on thier tv's and really stings for people that have failed PS2's.

-Death

[corneliuscrust]

all backwards compatibility and started charging for original xbox games, you'd never hear the end of it around here. It would obviously be because MS is "cheap" not because they are running a business.

When Sony removed backwards compatibility to make money off of their old software, it's a great business move...

funny how things work around here. Double standards are a lot of fun. They're also why no one anywhere respects N4G.

[Nemo88]

"greed pure and simple"

Not that these files actually confirm ANYTHING.

You even admit in your own post that the PS3 WASNT making any money.

So how the hell can it be Greed, when the company was really struggling-in all areas not just playstation, problems with the Yen etc-?

The greedy bastards try to stay in business instead of letting me play my old ps2 games on my new ps3 "which is just a blu ray", instead of the ps2 I Already own??? The pigs.

Get real.

Besides this proves nothing. Lets see the ps2 emulation running first.

P.S can somebody answer WHY ON EARTH Sony would even leave the files in there if they were not being used/going to be made available?? I mean surely just delete the files.

Why have the PS2 files there at all??

Maybe they were working on bringing it back themselves and it just wasnt ready yet. Seems like the most logical explanation???

[sorceror171]

@Death - the GS in the PS2 was *really weird*. It had *ridiculous* bandwidth for the time. The *slowest* interface had 9.6GB (that's giga*bytes*, not giga*bits*) per second. It actually had faster access to RAM than the PS3's GPU does (but the PS3's GPU has much more local memory).

Games written for the PS2 were in a unique style that's not easily emulated. The mostly didn't store textures locally, but streamed them from RAM. That doesn't fit as well with how the PS3 does things, so emulating it is complicated. It's tough to do even on a PC.

[OpenGL]

The Xbox is easier to emulate than the PS2 due to the PS2's MIPS based CPU and the fact that the Graphics Synthesizer has 4MB of eDRAM on a 2560-bit memory bus, giving it 48GB/s of memory bandwidth. It would be easier to emulate the Gamecube and Xbox on the PS3, despite the PS2 typically being the slowest of the 3 consoles last gen.

[StanSmith]

Ok here goes:

All Ps3s play PS1 games

The PSP emulator is strictly for the Minis range on the Store

PS2 Emulator is for the Early PS3s that had backwards compatibility. (60GB & 20GB)

This does NOT mean all PS3s can play every PS1, PS2 and PSP Games. It's ONE firmware for ALL PS3s!

[bigevilworldwide]

Ummmmm the 20 and 60gb models had ps2 guts inside it didn't use emulation it was the 4 usb port 80gb models that used emulation

[StanSmith]

"Ummmmm the 20 and 60gb models had ps2 guts inside it didn't use emulation it was the 4 usb port 80gb models that used emulation"

Yes and the 60GB PS3 in Europe used emulation which was what i was referring to. The 80GB came after the successful emulation of ps2 games on european machines. Both of which still had one of the chips used in the PS2. Notice i said "Early PS3s." The 80GB and the EU 60GB were only part emulation. There are NO PS3s current or past that fully Emulate the PS2 without the need for additional hardware.

There are more SKUs than just those released in America!

[meetajhu]

Sexy. Now remove region protection for PS2 games so i can play Pal games i got a launch Japanese console.

[Redempteur]

i kinda want that

[ThanatosDMC]

PS2 doesnt work with the Slim only the older models meaning the fattys and not the 40gb versions.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

What's the big deal? I have emulators for PS3 and 360 on my Linux box. Don't believe me? I can post screenshots of folders named "PS3 emulator" and "360 emulator".

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

I see what you did there! LOL

[Darth_Bane79]

I have picture of my PS4 emulation files also!!! lol

[CimmerianDrake]

That they could be using a Phat Launch PS3? In which case there would be a PS2 emulator on it for BC purposes (maybe the 80GB one which had software emu). Plus, have you considered that the PSP emulator could be for remote access, or PSP demos which you can download onto your PS3, or Video in for connecting your PSP to your PS3 so you can play the handheld titles on a tv?

Honestly, jumping to conclusions and getting all worked up and blaming Sony for something you aren't sure of is just the height of stupidity.

"Oh look, a PS2 emulator that Sony isn't letting us use, they must be trying to milk money out of everyone by releasing PS2 HD classics instead of letting us play them on the PS3"

Count how many PS2 HD remastered games have come out. I bet you can use 1 hand.

[Nemo88]

Why would Sony would even leave the files in there if they were not being used/going to be made available?? I mean surely just delete the files.

Why have the PS2 files there at all??

Maybe they were working on bringing it back themselves and it just wasnt ready yet. Seems like the most logical explanation???

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

The reason there is a PS2 emulator is because the 60GB 80GB can play PS2 games.
The reason there is a PSP emulator is because the PS3 can play PSPMins.

It doesn't mean Sony is purposely disabling it. Because the PS3 Slim can never play PS2 games, and none of the PS3 can play full PSP games, or PSP minis.

Hope that clear things up for y'all.

[iagainsti120]

the ps3 has all the power it needs t run any ps2 game in emulation. PS3's without the the emotion engine or the Graphics Synthesizer still have that power just a matter of Sony not wanting to write the code for it.

And to all of you sony or Microsoft fanboy's that say it cant TIS THA POWER OF THA CELL!! jk but really it has the power to do it

to sum it up
old PS3 can play ps2
New PS3 can play ps2 (just needs the code)

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

Yes. The PS3 is very powerful. However, the PS3's video ram are no where as fast as the small ultra fast video ram of the Emotion Engine. And almost all PS2 games utilized that ultra fast aspect of the video ram to do all their amazing sh*t.

Without the Emotion Engine's small ultra fast video ram, emulated PS2 games will run very slow on the PS3 because the ram on the PS3 is slower.

Now you know why older PS3 models have the small ultra fast video ram of the Emotion Engine hardware inside in order to play PS2 games.

[badz149]

CFW? PS2 emulation? ah...even Geohotz was talking about the same thing and guess what, he QUITS before any of them can be done! just wake me up when ANYBODY got these stuff running! I'm busy enjoying games on my PS3 and here's hoping Sony will put mandatory FW updates for new games so those staying on 3.41 can't play any of them! looks like none of them came out with the way to work on 3.42 yet and I hope this continues!

[Nemo88]

Lol agreed!

[Darth_Bane79]

LOL

[sikbeta]

Meh... More BS coming from these nerds... if you have something, show it, don't try to claim anything before you're done, bet this is going to end the same way with geo-loser, seriously, multi-orgasmic nerds in pure excitement over speculations and bunch of things like that, pffft...

[xAlmostPro]

we can play ps1 games, and psp ones.. but they removed the ability to play ps2 games.. although i guess they could put them on the PSN :/

custom firmware could be cool, i'll see how this goes first as ive already updated with the recent update

[frostypants]

Just because it has a reference to a PS2 emulator does not mean one is installed. Come on people.

It's left over from the old half-assed software-based PS2 emulation that they had on a few systems after they quit the full hardware support. That software emulation pretty much sucked, by the way.

My PS3 has the badass full hardware PS2 support. I used it once or twice when I first bought it. Never again since.

[fullmetal297]

This is the beauty of homebrew: giving you the ability to play and create user content. I had an modded xbox with XBMC and there so many homebrew apps and other feature that made it truly the first multimedia console. It could play any media file and rip my DVDs to my HDD all while being able to play PS 1, N64, NES, SNES, and Arcade games.

[M4ndat0ry_1nstall]

Cool, I'll be looking forward to hearing how it turns out. fingers crossed :)

[Lovable]

One can only hope...

[Red_Orange_Juice]

:)

[AKA]

because they can't

[gamingdroid]

Kinda liking customer firmware. We might get xross game chat before Sony's official release if ever.

[mrv321]

You approved this article I wonder why :P

[hi2]

how does this piracy crap get approved so often , are the mods that dumb?

[JhawkFootball06]

Please tell me where you see piracy anywhere in the article. Believe it or not people hack things other than to pirate stuff.

[jerethdagryphon]

custam firmware is a dirivitive of sonys firmware hence agaisnt terms and conditions further if there custom firmware using any code (which it must ) from original firmware then bang thats piracy

i hope sony can find a way to stop that
in its tracks

[KratosGirI]

For the last time.

Hacking is not Piracy!

[radphil]

Yet 90% of the time it LEADS TO PIRACY. I mean I understand the honorable way for those that do homebrew, but be realistic.....who here keeping track of these articles are hoping for Homebrew....

Edit: It's funny to see those that just put the disagree without saying something. On a side note I actually agreed with Kratos. :p

[morganfell]

In this case it is piracy because that is their purpose. I can't believe you are that naive.

And it won't do them any as encrypted disc check is inbound. You won't be running any new titles with anything but the specified firmware.

[duplissi]

@radphil
"who here keeping track of these articles are hoping for Homebrew.."

I AM.

[radphil]

@duplissi

Lies and slander!

But in all seriousness though I'm on the side for homebrew, but sadly it's not going to be the case within this situation. I've already had my hand in working on homebrew for PSP, but I'm not going the method that they're doing with this. I'd rather prefer for Sony to do something in the ways of how XNA is on Live.

[nycredude]

For all the people who thinks hacking doesn't lead to or is directly related to piracy. I have a bottle of really good air I am selling, better than any air you can get. When you breath it in you can have 3 wishes come true, only three though. I'll sell it to you cheap but I only have one bottle. $10,000 paypal.

[sergons]

Finaly.....

[Meisadragon]

you want the PS3 to die out isnt it? work for MS maybe or do you wanna see MS monopoly?

[onenut]

that phrase is sounding more realistic than ever

[sak500]

Ps3 games already showing up on torrent sites. Most are around 6GB. I happen to have nOkia n900 and they have also detailed out how to do it on maemo.org. Unfortunately i dont have a liking for ps3 yet. Can't wait for my new iphone 4G to arrive from ebay in a week's time though. Much cooler stuff than any console.

A typical 6gb file takes about an hour and half on 8mb connection.

[CharlesDCI]

yeah, mulitplat games. GOW 3 and UC2 are around the 25gb mark.

[rpgenius420]

God of War 3 is around 44gb. With verizon Fios 50 mb line I get shit in no time at all. However I only back up games that I own or have owned! Bwahahaha I do buy games and I download them oh and the game industry makes more money than the movie industry now which is like billions a year so yea watch out for piracy it's causing the death of weak ass devs with shovel ware.

[pimpmaster]

pshh. please, iphone 4, only dumb ass fanboys buy those. jailbroken /unlocked iphone 3gs +tmobile 40$ a month FTMFW.

[snoopgg]

Yeah right, keep telling yourself that, but I'm not buying it!!!~~~~~ I have yet to play any game on a cell phone that is as fun as console gaming. Just my opinion, just mine is different than yours. Have fun with your phone games.

[MechWarrior579]

android is much better than ios4. let me guess you bought an enlarged ipod touch, wait thats an ipad.

[bomboclaat_gamer]

most ps3 games are over 10gb
even some multiplats

i know trust me... :P

[Tapey]

It's absolutely hilarious seeing this Omega guy ranting away in the comments section of every PS3 article on this site. Well kinda hilarious anyways, it's also quite sad and embaressing too. Shine on you crazy fanboy :(

[jay2]

God, I can see this going even to iPod touches/iPhones/ipads, or has it already?

[tiamat5]

It's even more hilarious to see how many pathetic people there are on this site freeloading and boasting about it. At first I was angry but now I see how corrupted and pathetic you really are it is really very funny. Anyway, I will be going back to playing my non hacked legit PS3 while you people keep messing around with the thieves and hiding like cowards from Sony. I personally hope you mess with it until it glitches and bricks on you. It will be well deserved. And please don't even bother with the ' I won't use it for anything illegal or buy pirated gamesl speech please' If you are corrupt enough to use stolen tech to crack security I wouldn't put it past you to do something else wrong.

[jay2]

Fully agree, it's sad stuff it really is.

[mirumu]

This is a bit of a different situation to what we've had in the past. On older consoles modchips/hacks were often the only way to play imported games that we'd purchased legally. When you live in the PAL territories this has traditionally been a must because so many games never come out in those areas. It's legal to circumvent regional restrictions in many countries too (but not to copy games of course).

The PS3 though doesn't have region locking on PS3 games. You can buy and play games from anywhere in the world so that justification for hacking doesn't even exist here. Small numbers of homebrew developers aside, piracy looks to be primary reason someone would want to hack a PS3. Given that the 'I won't use it for anything illegal or buy pirated games!' claim really doesn't carry as much weight as it used to.

[Non_sequitur]

So people want homebrew applications on a console that can be done better and may already exist on PC? If I want a better browser I'll use my PC. If my console doesn't support a certain file type I'll use my PC.

[mirumu]

@Non_sequitur I'm not a homebrew developer so I can't say why they do what they do. Certain tasks like highly parallel vector processing will be faster on the PS3's Cell processor than on a normal PC though. Some people just seem to enjoy writing code for unusual hardware.

I'm not saying the PS3 should be hackable just so people can write homebrew on it as you seem to be implying. There's nothing illegal or immoral about wanting to write some code for a device you own though.

[nycredude]

Dude if anyone has skills to write for the cell they wouldn't be wasting their time making homebrew, they would be getting paid to make games. What kind of homebrew and how long will it take to release anything of significance that you can't already get online on PC. All that is just BS talk. People want free games and that is all.

[mirumu]

@nycredude Sounds to me like you don't know any nerds. Like with anything there are those who just do it because they can. It may only be 0.01% of console owners. I'm just saying they exist. No more, no less.

But hey, I guess it destroys your whole argument if only 99.99% of the people who hack consoles are people pirating games rather than 100%?

[jerethdagryphon]

not from play asia....bastards wont sell most jap games to eu .... not that they wouldnt play its just getting them.

as for the homebrew... the whines of i want x game chat i want mkv support i want this i want that...

chat is pointless in most situations why would you want someguy playign a racing game chattign about something while your trying to fight in mag

its chaotic

mkv... surly you can reencode the containerfile and subtitles to a divx format

emulators. use a pc and http://zedomax.com/blog/200...

other then that piracy is the reason most of you are so eager...

[manky]

Here's a tissue tiamat5

Quote: SKFU

'For the JB, the drive is remounted @ HDD. So why not mount the dev_flash from USB?

Surely this is possible and I hope to see some action here soon!

So we would have a good solution to test and run custom firmwares

as the brick risk is equal zero

, because we can just unplug the USB device and the dev_flash is mounted as common - unchanged.'

[hilliat2783]

I'm gonna call it now that this guy is nothing more than a troll, he approves all bashing, hacking, piracy posts that are attacks on the PS3 but squashes the same exact things for the 360. I'm gonna call it now...don't believe me track his trends and you will see what I mean.

[lokiroo420]

About a year late for that party, but good enthusiasm.

[dredgewalker]

You're new aren't you? Nobody takes trolling and self pawnage to higher levels than him.

[dragonZ28]

If you think Sony will stop piracy due to a single firmware update, you are sadly mistaken. This will go on for the PS3's life cycle now. Back and forth. Custom firmware will always come out to pirate the latest games. I'll hold out until GT5, and Twisted Metal are out before I decide to buy.

[ocnkng]

The PS1 and PS2 had hundreds of thousands of consoles hacked and modded. They actually had mod chips soldered onto the physical motherboards for Christ's sake.
Did it result in any loss for Sony? And in this day and age with the advent of online gaming and PSN, its actually far harder for people to use pirated games. Pirates actually have to completely forget about online gaming. The PSP had hard time not just coz of piracy but the gaming market preferring the Nintendo offerings.

[Pedobear Rocks]

of high speed internet it is much easier to source your pirated games vs earlier eras...so yes...SONY should be concerned. Especially when the PS3 has nowhere near recouped its R&D costs.

[tiamat5]

ocnkng just another flimsy excuse people use to justify what they do. I never pirated a console in my life. The fact isn't that Sony survived. It's the fact that hacking anything is wrong no matter how you put a spin on it. You and everyone else can claim innocence all you like to ease your guilt but because you break the security you are allowing the people who aren't as trustworthy as you to do what they want and mess us all up just so you can selfishly get what you want. You trip the rest of us up so you can get what you want. That is all that this is about getting what you think you deserve and nothing else. You don't care what damage this will do later or if it affects our gaming experiences down the road. Your no different or better then the selfish thoughtless idiots that do this.

[Dannycr]

people who thinks that this will hurt Sony, NO!, this will benefit Sony in the consoles department. There are a truckload of people who are waiting to get a PS3 with cheap pirated copies because they can't afford a legit copy.

This is throughout the world and this will make Sony sell more consoles. Most of us who already got used to but legit copies, Collector's editions, etc will probably keep buying legit games (at least I do, I don't have a problem with that and, I like to do it and I'm honest about it).

It will affect game studios cause the pirated versions will definitely affect sales.

Also, us PS3 users remember that there was a time when an error showed up on our PS3, couldn't connect to PSN and couldn't play some games like Heavy Rain, right? What makes you think Sony can't render the games useless by adding something that won't allow you to play unless you are connected to PSN or having the latest update or anything like that?

[Pedobear Rocks]

even on the hardware...so no...it does nothing but hurt SONY through lost licensing fees on games that were not sold.

[hilliat2783]

You are half right it doesn't hurt Sony if you look at console sales only but that's nit where the really see a profit...that comes from software sales. The part you are spot on about is the ability make it mandatory for all developers to have a code in there game that requires a link to PSN. Some may say that this won't happen but in there hearts they know it will and it will cause all this hacking crap to be useless.

[b777conehead]

good if i have the right code then give me the option to install on my hard drive and when i want to play check the code thru psn to my console . i want the option to install my games i buy. either that are let me buy and down load the games from psn for like the go

[nycredude]

Trust me when I say this now DRM is coming to all games. Sony already has and implements a form of DRM in there PC games.

[N4g_null]

What is funny is most hacker find away to stop even drm.

Pirating will effect the platform if they are successful. The lies in pr talks are going to get exposed also. That will hurt Sony worst than pirates. There is nothing like tricking people and then them finding out your lies.

This is just going to force a new console to come out sooner I believe.

It's bad for every one envoled and the media has 3 years of lies to fact check now so expect more of this crap. Sony is about to be thrown under the bus while still on their bicycle.

Basicly this could get messy.

[The real killer]

Funny, they still say PS3 hacked by some members here.

Dude's the PS3 is still not hacked, between stolen code and set the PS3 in De Bug mode and hacking the hardware is big different.

Ans now is Jailbrake nothing more than a flop :)

[pimpmaster]

i think you need to get a life.

[morganfell]

...says the guy responding to him. Oh the irony.

[Karlnag3]

well we know you need a life morganfell thanks to your little bitch fit at nowgamer the other day because all this jailbreak business is clearly making you very upset.

[mirumu]

Being hacked and being open to widespread piracy are two very different things. If they have got through the encryption and are examining the modules inside the flash then the PS3's security has most definitely been hacked.

Only time will tell if it'll lead to the ability to run copied games or not. It could go either way. Anyone making absolute claims that piracy will or won't happen right now doesn't understand the technology involved.

[Dannycr]

You do know that the PS3 is making profits now, right? Ever since the launch of the Slim model?

And, can you tell me how much is the margin between the PS3 and the 360?

Is it 50 million? or about 3 or 4 now? I guess the PS3 is selling extremely bad then. /s

[tatotiburon]

hahaha my god ps3 fanboys didn't learn from psjailbreak and still bashing any scene update bububububububut it's imposible lol...when are you going to learn??

[ndibu]

It seems psjailbreak cannot be beaten so you all have decided to join the pirate party! Woohoo, psbutt pirates and ps pirates unite in one big massive orgy...

[Meisadragon]

seriously lol that was immature

[tiamat5]

Exactly Pedobear Rocks. Everyone just thinks Sony will sell more consoles therefore I helps Sony but it's not that simple. Everyone acts like developers get hundreds of millions of dollars. What do you think will happen if in these hard times a developer constantly makes less then the amount it takes to develop a game. Think about what will happen to our favourite first party studios. It is very childish to believe this will do nothing. Sony will survive but many developers may not. Keep laughing. I noticed you people weren't laughing when Sony made that update. It was fun to watch you guy scramble around like roaches when you turn on the lights. It will be fun to watch you do it again when Sony turns on the light again.

[Sarobi]

Where the only thing that is relevant is Piracy, Hacking and Porn, if you stand against it then GTFO

[Swishastreets]

I so called this lol. http://n4g.com/news/600195/...

[xplosneer]

Now every single update is going to be lame piracy updates.
Just look at what happened to the PSP. I know that you guys want to be able to do whatever you want to add stuff to the PS3, but it really sucks for us users that don't do it, and as a result we are updating our console every 2 months with no new features ever.

[sam2236]

"...and as a result we are updating our console every 2 months with no new features ever."

I'm sorry, what? Tell me, what new features have we gotten since the update that let us use the in-game XMB and (limited) custom soundtracks? An update, mind you, that was relased two years ago.

I'll tell you what we got: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Fuck avatars and PSN+, they don't count. I'm talking about actual features. Two years and we got nothing new. So how is 'updating our console every 2 months with no new features ever' a bad thing if we've been getting those exact updates for the past two years?

Anyway, back on topic. CFW is going to make the PS3 sell like hotcakes, just like the PSP did when CFW came out for that. Honestly, fanboys, THINK of the fucking possibilities! Forget backing up games and all that shite, imagine if they actually got a PS2 emulator working on the console. Imagine being able to N64 and Sega CD games...Christ, it would make the PS3 even better then it is now!

[jut420]

No new features in the last 2 years? We just recently got a video editor and I'm sure there are other features that we've gotten that I just can't remember. I'm guessing by features you mean X-game chat, but instead of saying that you said features.

[sam2236]

@jut420: Thanks for reminding me of the un-needed video editor that no one has used beyond it's first day on the console. Gee, I wonder why I forgot about that?

Also, by features I meant things that we'd actually use. The in-game XMB is one of them and hell, cross game chat would be another. The reason you can't remember any other features is because there are none.

EDIT: Seriously. What have we gotten in the past two years that we use?

[jerethdagryphon]

if i want to play n64 games and im feeling techy ill rig up a rom cart or use the legit ones i own

as for sega cd my cdx sitting to the left of my ps3 sees little use not that i dont have good memories of games on it but i dont feel the need to play on it often
same with my game cube
mega drive
ps2
saturn

i dont need emulators never have never will
all this custom crap means is sony will fight back hard and i dont want to see a good system go the way of the psp which is the only hacked system i have my game are legit but for traveling i use isos and my friend gave me the psp prehacked so it want my choice.

i wouldnt be surprised if sony adds some security to require a code check in the firmware agaisnt ther rek no check no run ie no access to cpu

and since the rek cant be seen outside the cpu good luck

[Nemo88]

http://uk.playstation.com/p...

Its more constant refinements and tweaks to friends lists etc..

Media functionality and security updates which have made the who system a lot smoother.

Besides CFW hasnt actually been done yet so calm done lol

[sam2236]

@jerethdagryphon: You don't get the appeal of customisation, I see. Also, do you like having 10 or 12 consoles hooked up to your TV?

"i dont need emulators never have never will"

Yeah, but that's just you isn't it? You're not everyone and not everyone still owns their N64 or, Jesus Christ, a Sega CD! You know how many people would kill to play those consoles/games again?

Honestly, imagine having a Blu-ray player, DVD player, PS1 emu, PS2 emu, N64 emu, Sega Megadrive & CD emus, NES & SNES emus and that arcade emu (Can't remember the name) all on your PS3. Not only that, but you'd have proper custom themes seems that people have access to that VSH thing (Assuming it's the same as it is on the PSP).

EDIT: @Nemo88: I assume you're replying to me? If so, then I wasn't talking about tweaks and fixes. Also, yeah I know CFW hasn't been done, but I'm trying to show that CFW isn't all about backing up games and ruining online games for people. That's what most people think CFW does.

EDIT 2: Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone who hacks/soft-mods their consoles uses them to play backed-up games?! I have a soft-modded Wii, PSP, Xbox and PS2 and not once have I put in a burned game. Not once.

[Sarobi]

@sam

if the community understood that then there would be no one complaining, the fact is the jailbreak was offering PS2 Playback on ANY ps3, it was reviving Linux (otherOS) and was enabling MKV video support, where is the harm in this?

[hesido]

The firmware is universal! It still caters for older PS3's. Get this through your heads, boys and girls.

[jony_dols]

Come out of hiding! Do to the ps3, to what u did to the PSP!

[Dellis]

Sony will actually do nothing about this, they instead will benefit from these people buying another PS3 to play normally and use their old PS3 a 3.41 to hack and homebrew and whatever they do.

[Swishastreets]

Actually with cfw you won't need 2 ps3's.

[cam2030]

have two ps3's.. one modded and one primary..

[CernaML]

God I am really tempted to use a jailbreak. Just can't imagine all the amazing homebrew that may be popping up if they get full access to all of the PS3's hardware.