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Move, Kinect, or Neither?

Loot Ninja writes:

"We have finally entered the age of Motion Controls. Ever since the Wii took the gaming world by storm (a lot of us still wondering how), it was only a matter of time until the other two giants engineered their next-gen answer. With advanced reviews of PlayStation Move being lukewarm at best and early word of Kinect being received in the same manner, does the hardcore gamer really want this?"

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jay24999d ago

Moves on my pre order list, diskinect you can get the £1 and get read of that £29.99 after the £129.99 list.

Iceland4999d ago (Edited 4999d ago )

I'm moving towards PlayStation Move. I might get Kinect later though.

Elimin84999d ago

Move on or get disKINECTed.... Kinect just might hit the spot for some if not all 360 Gamers but Mve just has more appeal to me.

My 2Cents...

8-bit4999d ago

I am going with move because I will end up with games I already planned to buy. I'd be buying Killzone 3, Socom, LBP2 and GT5 regardless of Move support so having Move as an option is nice. I don't want to be stuck with a bunch of shovel ware games that I don't play a few weeks later.

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JsonHenry4999d ago

I'll buy whichever one has a killer game that requires it first. Both if they make decent games for them.

However, for the foreseeable future - neither.

EvilBlackCat4999d ago (Edited 4999d ago )

wow going back in the days of wii release here on n4g i remember that a loooooooot of fanboys from both sides (MS Xbox and SONY PS) criticizes Nintendo Wii but today waving a wand and jumping moving the arms is the shit.

OH THE HYPOCRISY !

@ AssassinHD

"and perhaps change their minds"

so the lesson learned is that before you criticizes something just wait 4 years and see what happens?

MY opinion is that a lot of people they just go behind the trend and not what they really like.

AssassinHD4999d ago

It is not really hypocrisy. It has been nearly 4 years now since the Wii released. People have had time to get acquainted with the technology and perhaps change their minds. Motion control is a proven concept now, whereas then it was not.

Also, in order to claim hypocrisy you would have to prove that the same people who are promoting motion controls today were condemning motion controls back then. It is possible that those same people still dislike motion controls, and that the only reason why it seems like "everyone" is supporting them now is because the install bases across all platforms is larger now than it was in the past. Larger install base = more people who may have a different opinion than the people who expressed their opinion 4 years ago.

plstcsldgr4999d ago

from what I've been seeing from video reviews these two new motion gaming controls, are far beyond anything the wii can do. have you seen the video of the kid who plays wii all the time and the dad playing the move the kid can't figure it out because the wii has burned its crappy motion in the kids head he just sits there waggling the controller around while the dad is using actual movements to control the game.

AssassinHD4999d ago

I feel very sorry for you. Out of all that wisdom that I just shared, not a bit of it reached you. People should not condemn a technology before it has a chance to prove itself. That is absolutely true. Your response about waiting 4 years and seeing what happens is just childish though. Also, it is entirely reasonable for someone to have a change of heart.

You did not even attempt to address the rest of my comment. Can you prove that the people who were against motion controls 4 years ago are the same people who are supporting them today? If you cannot prove that then you cannot claim that hypocrisy exists.

boodybandit4999d ago (Edited 4999d ago )

Most of the comments early on when the Wii launched was Game Cube 1.5 with a motion control. 480p graphics and analog PLII sound. Most games on the Wii early on didn't even look as good as Gamecube games.

480p doesn't look all that great on a 1080p display unless you have a really good upscaler and purchase the component cables for the Wii. The sound is okay but it is a little muted running it on a HD-DD & DTS sound processor. The biggest problem with owning the Wii is the hit or miss with 3rd party devs and publishers making great games. Nintendo made consoles usually favor Nintendo made games.

In nearly every aspect the Wii felt then and still feels today, dated compared to the 360 and PS3. Now we get those motion controls in HD graphics with Digital sound and on the PS3 HD-DD & DTS sound. Personally I am looking forward to giving Move a try with Killzone 3 and other 1st party games from Sony. My first game is going to be Heavy Rain since I have yet to play it and I feel move will add to the overall experience and immersion of that title.

Oner4999d ago (Edited 4999d ago )

There is no hypocrisy. Only the one that you have made up in your little "world".

The Wii has been condemned since day 1 when people learned about it's inaccuracy! NOT because of it's "motion controllability experience". If you will not attempt to reasonably understand that, then you are simply just covering your ears, stomping your feet screaming NO, NO, NO, NO, NO in an immature fit.

The PS Move shows/proves that "motion controllability" is BETTER when it's done properly BECAUSE of it's accuracy (and because it can do more for/with said capability)...the way it should have been done to begin with.

Anyone who has given Super Mario Galaxy 1 a try would be able to say honestly the experience was quite amazing (similar to how Super Mario 64 was)...while playing Wii sports would be more of an "Eh? WTF is this BS?". Now that is not to say that Wii Sports isn't fun. But it's based off casual input mechanics, not what CORE players come to expect and even demand. There is the difference right there and why you are claiming "hypocrisy"...but that's incorrect.

Moentjers4999d ago

what games did come at the Wii and at what resolution ???

KZ3 like ?
Socom like ?
hell, even Sorcery like ???

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Lekumkee4999d ago

I have MOVE, NAV controller and RUSE ordered and ready to go.

ethan4999d ago

Same here! Pre-ordered Move Bundle along with extra Move controller, Start The Party!, and The Fight. Can't wait!!

Christopher4999d ago

Depends on the games for me.

Nothing speaks to me with Kinect, and I am a bit pissed at how they're resorting to lies in their recent marketing.

I'm interested in Table Tennis and Dead Space: Extraction with Move, but honestly not enough to justify the price being asked right now.

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albel_nox4999d ago

They are both overpriced. The Kinect's lineup of games is downright awful. The Move's lineup isn't much better. I once owned a Wii so I'm pretty much done with crappy motion control devices.

cliffbo4999d ago

where have you been looking? seriously, you must live in a box if you think the line up for MOVE isn't much better than Kinect. it blows it out of the water

deadreckoning6664999d ago (Edited 4999d ago )

I'd rather spend my money on Move since all I have is a PS3..but you are right, there both expensive. Especially considering that the navigation controller is 30 bux. I have a DS3, but I'd rather buy the navigation controller to play Move like it was meant to be played.

@cliffbo- I think hes only talking about the crappy, shallow party games that will be launching with Move and Kinect. But hes right, theres nothing coming out this year thats gunna blow people away and show everyone why should buy Move Day 1. The two best Move games this year ill probably be Time Crisis: Raging Storm and RE5: GOLD. Neither are worth buying Move this year IMO.

@JQM78- Well I'm waiting for the price of the navigation controller to drop...and for Infamous 2.

@darthv72- Well said. Bubbles.

darthv724999d ago

i see potential in both that maybe others dont. Just a matter of perspective I guess. I may not care for the games on kinect at the moment but they will get better. Games for move will improve as well.

You just have to give these guys time to mature but until then I can play both and look forward to more each has to offer.

GuruStarr784999d ago (Edited 4999d ago )

got a move preordered, but thinking of cancelling until something good is announced or comes out, will probably wait for review scores on sorcery......tacking motion controls onto existing properties is not my thing either......Kinect is a no-go all the way.......I like my gaming with some sort of button-input, and not on-rails.

fiercescuba4999d ago

@ albel_nox

Agreed and bubbled. Fanboyism aside, I'm not impressed with either and will need something to really blow me away before I buy another peripheral.

dkgshiz4999d ago

Motion controls are not really that great but Sorcery looks good. Kinect Im not going to be bothering with.

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Knightofelemia838d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog838d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry916838d ago (Edited 838d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing69838d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming838d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer79838d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember837d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog838d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop838d ago (Edited 838d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog838d ago (Edited 838d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop838d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic837d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop837d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic836d ago (Edited 836d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal838d ago (Edited 838d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic837d ago (Edited 837d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf10838d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar838d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf10838d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell838d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf10838d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv72838d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming838d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog838d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming838d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming838d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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