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Sony's PlayStation Move: A Hard Sell

PlayStation Move ad material has hit retails stores to thunderous silence. Check out one gamer's opinion about the possibly dismal future of Sony' soon-to-be-released peripheral.

Genesis55031d ago (Edited 5031d ago )

Of the 3 motion sensors Move is by far the most accurate and versitle. Sony is counting on word of mouth and good reveiws to help it sell. MS is using the same plan they use on everything. Throw a ton of cash at it and hope for the best.

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Zir05031d ago (Edited 5031d ago )

That doesn't make it more fun though. Fun sells games not accuracy.

@jerry1972
No I'm saying if the game is fun accuracy doesn't matter, why do you think the Wii was such a hit?

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admanb5031d ago

Does Move actually have an immense supply of games that you'd actually want to play with the Move controller?

Mr_Bun5031d ago

Sorry, but I have yet to see 1 kinect game that actually looks fun.

@admanb
Actually, the majority of games available at launch ARE games you'd want to play with Move. Motion controls may not be for everyone, but let's not pretend that Sony doesn't have the best option available.

Bathyj5031d ago

Say that when you have a lightsaber or Katana in your hand that moves 1:1 with you instead of just general gestures triggering a pre-canned swipe with your in-game sword.

pain777pas5031d ago

In a couple of weeks we will all say that for the FPS or Fallout and Oblivion type games Move is the best device ever conceived that can truly immerse you in the game. I have a feeling that the Move is going to suprise me.

btk5031d ago

@Zir0
So far it seems to be fun - and accurate as opposed to another device that needs big names pretending to have fun with a device that is laggy and inaccurate.

Funny thing is - you can make Move less accurate if this is your way to enjoyment. But you cannot make Kinect less laggy and more accurate. Just check the specs.

Lame attempt at trying to spin the strength of Move as a weakness.

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Agent-865031d ago (Edited 5031d ago )

"And the final outcome of it all? Sony will have 'moved' from dominator to doormat in a single console generation." That statement really shows the author's bias. Besides, every single argument he states could apply even more to the Kinect, yet he doesn't "bash" it. In fact, the Kinect can't even be patched to play with existing games, so it should be even a bigger failure according to his logic.

Kinect and Move will probably both do fine this Holiday season. MS is throwing a ton of money into marketing and Sony has a device that works pretty well. Right now its all speculation as to whether either, both or neither become a success. We won't know until early next year which device is doing better.

happyface5031d ago

actually it shows the author's honesty

sometimes the truth hurts :(

Sevir045031d ago

is that the author is being honest about his bias!!! LOL!!! :-)

blahblah5031d ago

under the article. after reading article, i'd agree with you 100%. but his comments made me think he is really a honest person willing to accept when he is proven wrong

jneul5031d ago (Edited 5031d ago )

happyface we all know that is not true wii is not thrashing the competition like ps2 and ps1 did before it, there was a much bigger gap in the amount of sales, like it or not there is much more even competition now, and the wii is slowing down, it is struggling to maintain second at the moment between it and ps3, by next year i think wii will be third in console sales and everyone would have moved to x360/ps3
nintendo shot itself in the foot with this one it could have gotten more sales if it was not just a gamecube in disguise with motion controls...

lolzers5031d ago

Wait, what? Nintendo shot itself in the foot? I'm looking forward to Move as well but that's just bullshit. If you really believe that you're delusional. Nintendo has raked in the profits this generation and are set to enter the next generation far better than Sony or MS. They have made profit from day one, something that the competition are only just starting to do.

If you don't like them, that's cool, but you have to give credit where credit is due.

Tolkoto5031d ago

Define bias. What exactly do you think the author gets if the PS Move fails?

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avengers19785031d ago

It wasn't a hard sell for me, Just two wishes Sony...1) Keep the Move games coming 2) Don't make every game that comes out Move compatible you know if it doesn't have to be. exp. Uncharted 3. Infamous 2.

knowledge4lfe5031d ago

wait whats the big deal if its move COMPATIBLE?? maybe some people wanna play with the move in uncharted 3 or infamous 2.shyt i would to zap people using the moves gestures. as long as its built with the ds3 as well whats the big deal?

Neonvapor5031d ago

just not having it be mandatory for all games. I am really hoping that it will work with every game. I would love to play through some old gems with Move just for a new experience, especially both Uncharteds and inFamous. It would be really nice with games that you have to play through twice, once with DS3 and once with Move. I think that would get me to actually play through games twice by keeping things fresh.

shoddy5031d ago

The Wii is not up to my standard.

My standard is nextgen.

specialguest5031d ago (Edited 5031d ago )

My motivations to why I will buy the PS Move is the party game factor when I have friends over, and to get my girl involved in playing games. Aside from those reasons, I'll stick to the good old Dualshock, unless the Move controller proves to give a slight advantage.

cool cole5031d ago

I actually believe Move will do quite good, because Sony has that advertising campaign with Coke, which is huge.

dkgshiz5031d ago

I'm sure Sony spent just as much on Move as MS did with Kinect.

moparful995031d ago

Don't assume.. Microsoft has a history of dumping truck loads of money on a problem to make up for their shortcomings... Sony has built the tech behind the move from the ground up, microsoft bought out several different software companies including 3dv to make kinect.. Lest we not forget that microsoft also has no qualms about advertising a product to death...

hikayu5031d ago

i dont believe sony can afford another Billion dump for a single product , like microsoft .
they spent well over 1 billions dollars in marketing for zune , look where it is now
the kin 1 and 2 was in development for years . it cost hundreds of millions dollar . the products was canned in less than 1 month , selling record low . the last check written to kin was a 750 million .
windows phone 7 is being rumored to have a 1 billion dollars ads campaign . nothing short of microsoft-istic.
halo3 , while cost 20-40 millions dollars to make , MS spent over 200 millions for ads . that include the Superbowl ads .

in term of advertisement , microsoft is unmatched . do they works ? i believe not , not nearly as much as they hoped it would be .

Eddie201015031d ago

Nothing but wishful doom and gloom.

ndibu5031d ago

Sing to the high heavens all you want about the accuracy and hardcore games...Sony will still end up with a financial dud on their hands

Rainstorm815031d ago

just go buy kinect and have fun.....oh you dont play games......u just like to play "Trolls for N4G"

DigitalAnalog5031d ago

followed by:

"But I can't help but feel that after the dust settles, more people will be staring into the eye of their Kinect camera than pointing their glowing, red stick at their TV screen."

*sigh. Did he forget about the 360 "console" too?

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Clipper135031d ago

Well said man! The author is obviously biased if he came to that conclusion for one and not the other.

moparful995031d ago

I can't help but laugh when I read this article, it's rather obvious to me that the author of this article is making conclusions based, not in fact, but out of naivety. Microsoft is marketing kinect to the casual crowd, sony is pushing the move at anyone who does, ever has, or has ever wanted to play games. I feel this is an advantage solely due to the fact that the established install base for the ps3 will have incentive to buy move which will not only bolster sales but allow exposure to those that dont have a ps3.. Microsoft is alienating their core user and going straight for the casual.

Christopher5031d ago

How can a game journalist ask the questions he did in this article when we've already been informed of two advertising partnerships for Move:

- Coca-cola
- Subway

They don't start these prior to the product even being released, they start them shortly thereafter.

Also, love the edit of the original title of the article on their site, which was "Why I Think Sony's Move Will Fail", as denoted by the original URL of the article still being used.

nycredude5031d ago

I can't wait to try this out. This might just be the medicine for my gaming burnout.

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Spaghett5031d ago (Edited 5031d ago )

I certainly wouldn't buy it on launch.

Mr_Bun5031d ago

I guess you wouldn't buy it since you would have to shell out for a PS3 as well...quit trolling like an Omega wannabe

kanetheking5031d ago

omega and bungie two of the worst troll ever but they was so funny.o yer bungie is green light of life hahah.

opium u got a long way from there stander.try something witty or overly stupid.not boring trolling score 2 out of 10

mantisimo5031d ago

Even sodapops who sometimes (can't believe I'm saying this) says something intelligent.

Infamous trolls are actually missed when they eventually retire to that big old bridge in the sky.

Whatever happened to Giant enemy Crab?

Ah the good old days.

Back on topic I have always said I hate the thought of motion controllers on any system but the Move is actually growing on me a bit from what I've seen.

Reserve judgement till I've used it but am more open minded now definitely.

tiamat55031d ago (Edited 5031d ago )

Too early to make such bold statements. Wait until advertisement campaign starts, reviews and sales come in before you start saying no one will buy this or a million people will buy it and be disappointed.I see this happening to the Kinect. It has basically nothing, not even a killer app. But like him only an opinion. And I agree with you Agent 86. A very unconvincing and biased article. Sony isn't betting the farm on Move. They don't have to sell millions of units to keep it on the market. They have convinced me. I will be enjoying my Move.

pork_chop_express5031d ago

"And the final outcome of it all? Sony will have "moved" from dominator to doormat in a single console generation."

nice classy article, what few uninformed fools might not know is the "concept" of motion control is bigger than getting millions into homes and maximizing sales its about practically improving gaming interfaces and sony have done that, in quite a shrewd and well planned way the technology has been in development for ten years they already know the shortfalls by watching eyetoy and the wii hit their hurdles.

Their aim is to create the best of camera technology retaining a tactile factor improving precision and keeping the technology as cheap as possible and accessible.

From that point of view they have nailed it they will make a profit on every move related product sold. What people underestimate is the more wii owners try the device the more people will realise there is alot more scope to motion controls than a waggle.

I admire move and kinect for at least attempting to forward interface technology, and hopefully come to some more constructive ends than gimmicks.

It also helps its cheaper than a dualshock.

Agent-865031d ago (Edited 5031d ago )

@pork_chop_express, well said. It is very affordable, if you think about the technology. You know that colored ball at the end that some people like to joke about. That's just like what those motion capture suits use with the ping pong balls on them. Its what allows all of that cool augmented reality stuff. The film industry spends a fortune on this tech and Sony is getting a miniaturized version to the public at a very decent price.

Sadie21005031d ago

I do like when they use the colored balls in actual meaningful ways, like when it turns colors to match the potion you're drinking.

MitchyD5031d ago

I really don't see the relevancy to its colors. It's a nice touch, but not meaningful enough for me to care.

LeonSKennedy4Life5031d ago

The relevance is so that the camera can pick up the controller in ANY setting. It changes to a color based on what colors are in the background, behind the player.

kanetheking5031d ago

u don't want a white ball or the cam might not see it right

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Air Conflicts: Secret Wars - PlayStation Move's Best Kept Secret

Air Conflicts: Secret Wars debuted in 2011, and later updated for modern consoles. However, it's the PlayStation 3 edition that stands out.

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Why the PlayStation Move Failed

Sony's PlayStation Move may not have been able to contend with Nintendo's Wii, but it paved the way for PlayStation VR's success story.

SullysCigar998d ago

I use them most days and have for years 🤷🏻‍♂️

They're definitely way past a needed update, but I've got a tonne of fun out of them, so they haven't failed me.

bouzebbal998d ago

The best motion control platform it's so intuitive.. Died due to lack of support from Sony.. It had some amazing games

thorstein998d ago

They are used constantly for PSVR games. So, no they haven't failed. Neither has PSVR (or VR in general.)

Bigman4k998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

The article was talking about why it ps move failed before psvr came along

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH998d ago

It failed because it sucked plain and simple.

LOGICWINS998d ago

I feel that's a bit harsh. To this day, playing Killzone 3's campaign with PS Move/Sharpshooter gun combo is the most fun/immersive experience I've ever had with an FPS.

I think Move was simply not as profitable as Sony wanted it to be, but it didn't "suck".

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH998d ago

It most definitely sucked. You people can act like it was something special all you want but it was horrible. The entire motion control fad was a waste of resources and time. Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming. It's ok to admit it...

Minute Man 721998d ago

@SPEAK

The Move was better that the Wii mote. If the Wii was anywhere accurate as the Move was you could say the Wii was better. Sure it sold boatloads but was it really played consistently??

yeahokwhatever998d ago

I played it in 3D with the move gun on a 100 inch projector and it BLEW MY MIND. I was exhausted, but i finished the campaign standing there.

SullysCigar998d ago

"Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming"

Just no. Games release most weeks (for years now) that support Move controllers. Some ONLY use Move controllers.

Look, I get you're not a fan, but if you're going to rant, at least inform yourself in advance.

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LordoftheCritics998d ago

I would say both Move and Kinect weren't supported properly.

Sony and MS abandoned what could have been amazing.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH998d ago

Kinect sucked too. I would say Kinect may have been cool had it worked as intended but it was ahead of it's time. Both Kinect and Move are gimmicks nothing more. I honestly don't see why Sony still implements "motion controls" recent controllers. Who really uses that crap? And to play what?

Profchaos998d ago

I so t think Sony abandoned the move it's technically repurposed and still supported on the ps5 just for VR

RedDevils998d ago

Kinect should be kept as media interactive features.

LordoftheCritics998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

@SPEAKxTHExTRUTH
Again if it was supported right.

Where even a fast click of my fingers could get an immediate in game response.

It feels trash because we have been shown or lived with bad versions of gesture based tech. Think Minority Report fast. That could be something.

''You people can act like it was something special all you want but it was horrible.''

No one is acting like it was special, I said it could be amazing.

''I think Move was simply not as profitable as Sony wanted it to be''

Like I said, it wasnt supported. Give us a AAA game with precision gestures well implemented into the game and then we can discuss profits.

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SPEAKxTHExTRUTH998d ago

I don't deal in "what if". It wasn't supported right and even if it was it was still a gimmick.

thorstein998d ago

"Like I said, it wasnt supported. Give us a AAA game with precision gestures well implemented into the game"

You just described every AAA PSVR game. And even the indies have incredible integration. No Man's Sky VR is insanely good.

Silly gameAr998d ago

And, you can act like it was horrible, but I had a blast with my Move. I had the whole collection of House of the Dead, Dead Space Extraction, and RE Darkside Cronicles, The Fight, and Socom 4, and I would play the hell out of those games I even beat a playthrough of the Resistance 3 campaign with the Move. Getting drunk and playing with friends was a freaking blast.

You can pretend that you had a move and played it all you want SPeak the Truth, but it was accurate, and usually on point. I hate when people act like they've played something just to trash it, when they really just have a vendetta, and think the Move is easy prey for your hate.

Minute Man 721998d ago

Wait you can play Dead Space with the Move?? I need it

Orchard998d ago

“You can pretend that you had a move”

I love this crazy idea that if someone has something bad to say about hardware/software - they must be lying about owning it and clearly do not own it!

Because all hardware and software has a 100% approval rating from all purchasers…

P_Bomb998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

Shoot I forgot about Dead Space Extraction and Umbrella Chronicles. Had those too. Still do (digital).

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH998d ago

I have a vendetta against Move? Lmao that's the most ridiculous comment I've read today. I didn't buy it because like I said motion controls are gimmicks. I had a Wii and it was decent enough but a gimmick although successful. I had a Kinect and it too was trash. Don't act as if you know what I have and haven't owned. Move was nothing more than a Wiimote ripoff

yeahokwhatever998d ago

SO MANY really great experiences for the Move. The Fight was excellent!

Silly gameAr998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

@Minute Man

There was a game called Dead Space Extraction that you could play the Move with.

@Orchard. Please don't reply to me, because every time I say something to you, I magically end up restricted. So, just ignore me like I ignore you, so there will be no hurt feelings, please.

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Vanfernal998d ago

"Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming. It's ok to admit it..."

That is demostrably false.... Most VR games have motion controls and the PSVR uses the Move controllers.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH998d ago (Edited 998d ago )

VR games have a controller most of the time not some magic wand. And VR is not the same as PS move or Kinect. I'm not a fan of VR either. A controller and a couch is all I need for my gaming needs.

Vanfernal998d ago

@SPEAKxTHExTRUTH

"And VR is not the same as PS move or Kinect."

PSVR LITERALLY uses the Move controllers. Now it's just obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. You're saying Move failed and nobody uses it anymore when it's an integral part of PSVR and is still being used in 2021.

ScootaKuH998d ago

It didn't suck. It worked but the games just weren't there, that's why it failed.

Father__Merrin998d ago

The move was excellent it was 1 to 1 precise time crisis was a joy to play aswell as sports champions it didn't hit mainstream as it was an addon unlike Nintendo wiimote

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Godmars290998d ago

Lack of games that proved the concept that 3rd parties could then copy en masse?

Silly Mammo997d ago

I wish that someone would have made a proper boxing game. I still have a blast with the Sports Champions boxing, but to have a boxing game that was more in-depth would have been awesome.

Dario_DC997d ago

Try Creed for PSVR, it's brilliant

OMGitzThatGuy998d ago

Because it was a uninspired ripoff of the Wii controller without the Nintendo library to back it and didn't try to put any real effort into development such as getting their top developers to make games for it and instead gave tech demos disguised as games to their least talented developers so the best can focus on single player only games.

Ryushaa998d ago

Except the Move was an idea roughly implemented in the PS2. Yes, I'm serious.
Just search on youtube: PlayStation 2 - Motion Controller (2004)

Nonetheless, just like the whole Wii, it was more of a gimmick than a proper input evolution in games.

jukins998d ago

Exactly. Its funny time and time again sony is the first innovate. Often at its own peril. Like your example the move started on ps2 taken advantage of by nintendo. Sony buys gakai for game streaming only for other companies to overtake them.

Profchaos998d ago

Are you talking about the gametrak on os2 which used strings to track your hand position I used to have this and a gold game it was awesome but the game itself sucked if it had integration with tiger woods or something it would be way better the tracking was excellent even back then as it wasn't using guesswork.
However the game was very forgiving and no way to turn it harder and no licensed players or courses hurt it.

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yeahokwhatever998d ago

99% of the Wii's games were "shovelware", in fact, I think thats what started that phrase..

EvertonFC998d ago

Socom, killzone, resistance and tiger wood 14 were great with the move but agree lacked more games.

yeahokwhatever998d ago

There were plenty of games and I'm glad that not every game became a Move game.

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These PS3 Games are Going to get Really Expensive

Could you get rich by investing in PS3 games? Almost definitely not. Can you make a few bucks by flipping PS3 games over the years? Yeah, sure! It wouldn’t even be that difficult. But let’s face it: Once these games are in your collection, you’re probably keeping them forever.

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CDbiggen1001d ago

There's a reason I didn't buy most of these when they came out.

MadLad1001d ago

After a game's multiple generations old, and can't be had new at a reasonable price, that's when I see nothing wrong with emulation.

What's the point of paying someone scalper prices when the dev/publisher isn't even benefiting from it?

mkis0071000d ago

Emulation doesn't stop a games physical box from becoming collectible.

Knightofelemia1001d ago

I paid $30 for SH Downpour on PS3 now it's around $70-$85 Canadian Lolipop Chainsaw I paid $15 and it has really gone up in price. I wonder if Transformers War and Fall of Cybertron will go up in price two of the best Transformers games every made.

neutralgamer19921001d ago

In 5 years time all those games will be worth at least $150 to $200 that you listed

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neutralgamer19921001d ago

Ever since Sony announced that they would shut down PS3 store these prices have skyrocketed and even though Sony backtracked now most gamers realize that it's a matter of time before the PlayStation 3 store is shut down. If you want these games get them while you can even if digital because once that story shut down the physical prices will just go crazy high we saw that already

And many of these games did not sell like crazy amounts so they are limited number of copies available for sale at any given time

MadLad1001d ago

Folklore is a game I've always really wanted to play, but I got a PS3 late in the generation, and it was already really expensive to find, being it didn't exactly sell well, therefore was already kind of a collector's item.

Kept hoping I'd find a cheap copy randomly at stores and flea markets, but never happened.

franwex1000d ago

I got mine for $5 at Walmart like 10 years ago. I have yet to play it.

neutralgamer19921000d ago

It was available at GameStop for a while for under $20. Don't know har happened but GameStop started to sell their used games based on ebay prices it seems

You can still find it for around $60-70 and which in my opinion is a good price for a game that will be worth double if not triple that in next 5 years

Mr Logic1000d ago

Have you considered modding your PS3? Neither Sony or the dev would be getting money from that Folklore purchase. Kind of a victimless crime at that point.

MadLad1000d ago (Edited 1000d ago )

@neutral

Honestly, I just want to actually give the experience a try. I'm not someone who would buy it at a premium just to potentially rip someone off down the road.
I mean, there are collectors out there and if paying a couple hundred dollars is worth it to them then more power to them, but I'm not one to be on either end of that exchange.

I know it's taboo, but I might dig in and see the state of PS3 emulation on PC. I have a good PC, so it might be able to power through the often times poor performance, being PS3 is known to be hard to emulate.

I've never emulated anything past the PS2/Dreamcast but, as I said in my first post, I don't see anything wrong with emulation if the game you want to play can only be had used, with no money going to the creators.

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