Shank Errors Are 360 Console's Fault

Shank, the brutal new slasher from Klei, runs like a dream on PS3, but Xbox gamers have been suffering issues with stuttering movie sequences in the game. That' says Klei, is your Xbox 360's fault.

[SeanRL]

"Bummer, although if you have an 'older' Xbox 360 that still works, that's victory in itself."

lmao

[TheColbertinator]

It is a victory though.My 360 has hit red twice already

[SeanRL]

True enough.

[iFLOWLIKEWATER]

ut yet there hasn't really been anything to motivate me to purchase a PS3...funny that.

[yewles1]

Oh look, a 360 fanboy announcing he's not going to get the PS3 version no matter what... funny that.

[young juice]

your preferences are at an unreachable bar

[thebudgetgamer]

they load, tease me a little then crash.

[SilentNegotiator]

First the Kane & Lynch Freezing issues, and now this?
Where are all of those people who always clamoring about the xbox 360 having better multiplats?

"It is teh developer's fault"
No duh.

[Trebius]

Nothing's motivating you to get a Ps3? You must not like GAMES.

[FACTUAL evidence]

lol, have fun paying 50$ a year for a COD title, that's the only games you'll be getting on your brick for the next 3 years.

[Kurt Russell]

Don't be ridiculous...

[paradigmfellow]

lol

[EcliPS3]

Gee Factual Evidence, with comments like that, I wonder why you only have 1 Bubble? But Im willing to bet if there was such a thing as zero bubbles, you'd be the first to have it.

[badz149]

but this is interesting. WTH does M$ 'changed' something with the new model? it should just be a revision of older model, not redesign, right? I remember Sony put 32MB RAM in the PSP 1000 and 64MB RAM in the 2000 and 3000 and maybe also the Go! but that's just the matter of RAM and I haven't heard any problem about that except Skype can't work with 1000 but that's about it! games, should perform the same on older and newer models IMO or else, some group of users are screwed!

[kneon]

The new model has an integrated cpu and gpu, that will always be faster than discrete parts. But I believe I read that they had to insert some additional hardware to slow things down so that it behaved like the older models. Maybe they didn't get it quite right.

[DMason]

Played the game, beat it, never had a problem on the 360.

[MorganX]

Played the demo, took a pass. Great graphics but too repetitive.

[DMason]

Whats with the disagrees? It's a FACT that I didnt have any problems playing it on my 360. I swear the number of mentally challenged is rising.

[frostypants]

I had the stuttering in the demo...I figured it was due to my using a flash drive rather than a hard drive.

Why would they release a game with obvious issues that will impact what is likely the majority of 360 owners?

Guess I'll download the PS3 version if I do buy this game, but wow, what a f*** up by the devs. and the load times are atrocious.

[bustamove]

Lol.

And iFLOWLIKEWATER, seems like you don't have much taste, do you?

[MGRogue2017]

That is bull.

It is teh developer's fault.

[Perjoss]

a bad coder will give up and blame the hardware, a good coder will focus on fixing the problem in his code.

[TANUKI]

@ Perjoss

Agreed. Well said.

[SeanRL]

They have technical proof

[SeanRL]

Sorry, I was talking to enkeixpress.

[BX81]

What proof is that?

[ChronoJoe]

Problem is that Microsofts hardware specs differ from models. So the game doesn't run properly on old consoles, as it was developed with one of the newer ones in mind.

It's hard to say weather that's the 360s or the developers fault. If the developer wasn't made fully aware of the difference between older and newer xboxs, it's probably Microsofts fault. But we can't say if they were or weren't aware.

[BX81]

Who's the idiot that disagreed with another question?

[frostypants]

ChronoJoe, it's clearly the dev's fault. When they make a game, they are implicitly agreeing to make it for all 360s, not just a particular batch of them. If it's otherwise, they should have put it in the game description. My guess is they didn't bother testing it on the older ones, and are now trying to cover their asses. BIG screw up.

[jrbeerman11]

Technical proof is how its the only cross platform game on 360 with those problems.

[SOAD]

The reason why I think it's the developer's fault is because if the developers knew that the access rates for the older models were slower, then they should have optimized the game to run on those models. That's the job of the developer, to develop the game for the platform. You can't make a game that doesn't work well on the console and then blame the console. Your job is to develop for the console and you fucked up. It's YOUR fault.

Just like it was Platinum Game's fault that Bayonetta sucked on the PS3. They can't say, "well, the PS3 isn't suited to our game code." The fact is the game code isn't suited to the PS3. So the developer has to optimize the game to run on the console they are releasing the game on.

[Terarmzar]

Sounds like something for pc lol
This game work on the Xbox360 but only works on some

[Chucky2003]

i don't think they knew that,only after those issues,from the beginning its M$ fault because that means they changed the transfer data cable, they put a faster one in the newer models,so as a developer you just have one model and you presume all are the same,so its not developers fault for this issues

[SOAD]

The developer should have an intimate knowledge of what hardware they are working with. The fact that you label MS, "M$" means I shouldn't bother explaining it to you.

[frostypants]

Chucky, no.

It's a developer's responsibility to test on all iterations of a platform. And if they didn't know that different manufacturing runs of a consumer electronics device can have mildly varying specs, they're complete idiots. Honestly, though, I think they were just lazy.

[Godmars290]

Platinum literally wouldn't touch the PS3, yet now they're saying Vanquished the same on both consoles. In some interviews they even insisted that the PS3 was the lead platform.

[SOAD]

It doesn't really change the point I'm trying to make.

Platinum didn't really blame the PS3 hardware, either. The point I'm making is that the developer can't blame the hardware for being unsuited to their software because they're supposed to develop the software to work FOR the hardware.

[Godmars290]

Actually agree with you, but that's not going to stop 360 fanboys from blaming the hardware when the PS3 version of a title has issues.

Its just really odd that a dev had some with the 360. Have hardware as apposed to system architecture to blame.

[Persistantthug]

XBOX 360's don't all run the same...allegedly.

So if that's the case, I'm gonna submit that its Microsoft's fault.

The whole idea for consoles is that you get the same experience on that particular platform.

Creating consoles with harddrives and ones without is bad enough...but according to Shank devs., XBOX 360 Harddrives run at different speeds.

I mean, what the hell is that?

That's Microsoft's problem.

[bartbart]

To be a problem across many games, it is the DEV's fault for coding the game the way they did.

If a problem DOES arise, it is up to the dev to patch their game, not say "hey userbase: FCK YOU"

[Foliage]

Sorry SOAD, you are wrong. You can read Microsoft's TCRs and no where does it state that any requirement to release your game on their platform requires that you test it on older models of their platform. For all intents and purposes, they themselves are under the impression that if a game works on one console, it will work on them all.

The exception of course being Core, Arcade... or any console missing a hard drive, but even then you can test those configurations with the single kit by disabling the HDD etc.

Again, Microsoft doesn't require you to test for this issue, and so the developer cannot be blamed if it doesn't work on Microsoft's platform, since they followed Microsoft's guidelines.

It's plain and simple the consoles fault.

The PS3 example you give has absolutely nothing to do with this article. Bayonetta code was poor on all PS3 consoles, because they developed with the intent to make it work with the lowest denominator, the 360. They didn't take advantage of the way better processor in the PS3, or the much faster XDR RAM in the PS3, since they tried to pigeon hole code designed for the 360 architecture into a very different PS3 architecture that can produce much higher results than the 360 if you have a coder who isn't living in 2001.

Again, your example is piss poor. If Bayonetta only sucked on old PS3s you might have a case, but it was poorly developed by the developer, while this is vastly different circumstances.

[SOAD]

"The exception of course being Core, Arcade... or any console missing a hard drive, but even then you can test those configurations with the single kit by disabling the HDD etc.

Again, Microsoft doesn't require you to test for this issue, and so the developer cannot be blamed if it doesn't work on Microsoft's platform, since they followed Microsoft's guidelines. "

Sorry, Foliage, but you can't set the conditions of the argument just so you can claim a small and senseless victory.

And you cannot make the unfounded claim that MS doesn't require something to be tested since you don't know what MS does or doesn't want.

Bottom line: The software developer develops software for the hardware. They can't blame the hardware if the software doesn't work on the hardware. Ever. You can't say that they didn't know something. They themselves didn't say it, either. Either way, I doubt this will remain a problem for long, as the developer should be able to patch the game and fix the issue.

[jukins]

developers get a SDK not a overall schematic of each and every part of a 360 console. its not their problem to worry that microsoft changed a minor piece of hardware.

[Jdoki]

I thought all titles had to go through Microsoft's internal quality control before appearing on XBLA?

And that quality control was very strict - I recall an interview with Jeff Minter in Edge about Space Giraffe, where was saying the process was really tough.

If so, then MS are just as at fault.

[big_silky]

"Dodgy loading from a hard drive - sounds odd to us, considering we've never heard of such an issue with any of the other higher-end games on the console."

Developers fault. What does disc access speed have to do with a game stored on a hard drive?

[Trroy]

Um... alot.

Not that I'm agreeing with the developer statement, but disc access speed has a LOT to do with the performance of a game.

In this case, though, it doesn't seem like the differences should be so dramatic that it would manifest as a problem.

[Amplitude]

people are mixing up the word "disc" (a CD) with the word "disk" (a hard disk [hard drive])

[Foliage]

"people" are stupid.

[dabri5]

Alot of people here like to throw words and terms around like they know what they are talking about.

[Dance]

sure it was

[Karooo]

hes talking about HDD transfer rates.

[big_silky]

"lKlei's Jamie Chang has said: "older Xbox 360's have slower disc access rates,"

Where does it say HDD transfer?

I suppose it's the 360s fault that they couldn't get achievements to unlock properly either, right?

[commodore64]

@ big silky ^^^^

"where does it say HDD transfer"?

DUDE. read the article:
"Dodgy loading from a hard drive - sounds odd to us, considering we've never heard of such an issue with any of the other higher-end games on the (360) console. "

It sounds funny that they are complaining about the HDD transfer rates when we all know that games do not require installs on the 360.
Why install the game on HDD when it runs better straight off the dvd?
Seems counter-intuitive.

Most likely the game will run faster playing straight from the disc on the 360 than it will after a forced install on the ps3, just as has been the case for scores of other multiplats.

I am looking forward to reputable digital foundry and LOT comparisons which tell the real story, much to the chagrin of deluded fanboys and flamebait journalists.

[Jeff257]

Shank is a PSN and XBLA title. It is not a disc based game. So of course your going to need a HDD to play it. The problem as stated in the article is on older 360s because they run a little differently to newer versions. And yes the devs confirmed the issue so yes for now the PS3 version is the better version.

[CernaML]

My head is now concave for facepalming at commodore64's comment.

[dabri5]

The term in this case, disk access rate is referring to the disk platters that make up a hdd. They spin at a certain speed. This allows a reader head(imagine a record player) to read data off the platter. The problem they ran into is the older model 360's used slightly slower drives as they have changed manufacturers and or part vendors a few times. Point being they designed their code to stream content at a specific rate. The stuttering is from the older drive trying to keep up with the rate the code thinks it should be getting new data at. It's funny because there are similar issues with ps1 console. As they redid the hardware, using smaller chips etc etc making the console cheaper, less power hungry, smaller, it actually became more powerfully than the original models but only slightly. "newer" games like Tony hawk 2 and spiderman ( which used the same engine) wouldn't run on original models because they never tested it and based all the code off the newer specs.

[thereapersson]

Troll until a piece of news hits close to home, then go into denial mode.

[darkdoom3000]

so the tables turn.

[sak500]

Yeah 1 down 200 games to go in favor of ps3.

[XabiTheHumble]

It will get there eventually :-)

[MRMagoo123]

yeh i wish all the rubbish multi plats where alot better on the ps3 cos then ide buy them rather than all the exclusives that i get that are far better than what the 360 can produce.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

It's the Devs Fault. Not the Xbox. How many XBLA games run , look better than this game? Cmon now

[PoorMansGT]

damage control

[bjornbear]

its the PS3's fault right?

god damn double standards plague these youths.

kinda sucks, especially since shank seems to be a very fun game =( sorry for those who suffer a bad experience with the game, no gamer should go through it, be it dev's or hardware's fault.

[jrbeerman11]

Every Fanboy will do that, xbox fanboys will blame PS3, PS3 fanboys will blame xbox 360. It sucks.

I blame the developer all the way. If you release a game, it better work.

I really don't like excuses, even if it was the 360's fault, the developer loses points for crying about it.

[Bathyj]

It's only older Xboxes so thankfully only about a dozen people are affected.

[number47]

lol... that got me.

[frostypants]

My 360 is only 1 year old, and I have the issue.

[MRMagoo123]

if yours is one year old its already an old 360 if you measure it by lifespan think of a 360 like a dog 1 normal year = 7 360 years.

[Bathyj]

I dont think you can measure Xboxes in dog years. I had a dog live till 15, no 360 is going to do that.

Maybe Airport Drugdog years. 20 Drugdog years to a human year and they live to about 75.

[nefertis]

awesome game.

[Xx Ziyad xX]

well u cant blame the console, there is too many games in XBL is better and run smoothly , if u cant make it right make it exclusive. ( like valve did ). is not 360 fault if u cant dev right. and if u see the Error in 360 version why u just delay the version or canceled it ?. oh well next time do better game and less excuses

[Roonie]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAhAHAH AHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Xx Ziyad xX]

yah i know.

[Queasy]

All the other games on the Xbox 360 that don't have this problem say the Shank developer if full of shite.

[Zachmo182]

Ruh-roh, Raggy

[IHateYouFanboys]

its obviously a developer issue. or are achievements not unlocking properly also to be blamed on 'disc access rates'?

epic lulz.

[adonis183]

its the xbox's fault period.
I love how these xbox 360 fanboys are on denial( i dont know how to spell the word im trying to say)

[cjflora]

You spelled it right, but failed to backup your claim. I blame the devs, same as I blame the devs for making bad PS3 ports when clearly the PS3 is a beast and isn't to blame for a lesser version of the game.

[frostypants]

Hey, dumbarse...I have both systems and typically am accused of being a PS3 fanboy.

But this IS the dev's fault. Just like bad ports on the PS3 are the dev's fault. Bad software = developer's problem.

[jrbeerman11]

Based off WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Quadrix]

The shoe's on the other foot now.

[sak500]

Yep for an arcade title. How are open world games treating your like GTA, RDR, Mafia II ?

[kasasensei]

360 versions of this games are far to be perfect you know. For gta, no mater which console you play it on, the frame-rate is horrible, clipping is everywhere and bugs present on the both sides.

[1Victor]

Not to put you in the spot light but didn't you got own in another article with( copy/pasting) this same comment..
Yeah I smell some fishy developments here.

[sak500]

Kindly point me to that article where i was owned? If you call ps3 fanboys rabid disagreeing owning then im sure all of us 360 owners are owned in every comment we make.

[MRMagoo123]

if i recall gta was known for being better on the ps3 anyway lol you fail sak

[MetalFreakMike]

In the article, the developer is talking about the hard disk access times and not about the DVD-Rom access times. Even tho it should of been optimized for older 360's, this is the answer for why it is stuttering on the 360.

[Ronster316]

Where all the good games on XBLA have been 1200 points grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

ok, so fooking scott pilgrim came out this week too and was only 800 points...... But scott pilgrim? come on lol.

Ok, theres some fantastic classic games on xbla that are a bargain 400 points (games like Doom, All the Sonics, Streets of Rage 2 with online multiplayer, Street fighter II hyper fighting ect), but buying a new arcade game every week at 1200 would mean spending £40 a month.

I aint bought any XBLA games since Duke Nukem: Mathatten project and Neo Geo Battle coliseum, and it looks like thats how it will remain for a while. (well, until Castlevania: Harmony of Despair and Tomb Raider: Guardian of light get a price reduction)

[darkdoom3000]

Agreed. Prices need to go back to the $10 price range.

[Pootangpie]

and I don't see how the disc drive has anything to do with the problems of this since the whole game is installed to the HDD

[Rainstorm81]

shank sucked ??? i thought it was great very fun title

[Lumbo]

HDD -- Hard Disk Drive -- Hard Disk -- Disk ...

It is astounding how dense some people are when throwing around words they obviously fail to understand ...

[WetN00dle69]

Well although the PS3 version works like a charm IT isnt without faults as many believe it to be. There are certain instances where the games framerates drop making the controls lag abit. This happens when there is alot going on onscreen.

[RankFTW]

I've played the PS3 version to the end and havn't had any type of problems, not saying you're wrong just saying from my experience.

[Chuk5]

Whatever,. It's their fault the game is short, repetitive and over priced. Maybe they should of fleshed out a game worth worrying about rather than relying on the whole "were indie!!" moniker and blaming the xbox.

[Ninjamonkey82]

iFLOWLIKEWATER  +   1h ago But yet there hasn't really been anything to motivate me to purchase a PS3...funny that.

Hmm looks like theres a new category for the likes of you.

Those that cannot afford the best so seattle for cheap option. huh huh?

[budbundystyles]

I live in Seattle, and you made me lulz hard.

[earbus]

wow what a cold day wish the ps3 could direct its power to the sun even if it gives it bad aa and have wait for instal it only does dust collection. .

[Roonie]

Look @ the damage control by MS fanboys!!!!!(specially commodore64 LMAO!)

not surprised tho comming from the group of fanboys who use "more grass" instead of their exclusives to justify their purchase of the box.

[Pootangpie]

but the bluray but the cell but lazy developers

[PirateThom]

Sony - Make a piece of hardware standardised, some developers have issues with it, "LOL PS3 IS A PIECE OF CRAP"

Microsoft - Change a piece of hardware, game doesn't run on some models, "IT'S THE DEVELOPERS FAULT!"

Makes sense...

[jrbeerman11]

I fully agree with you,

but completely disagree for PS3 fanboys saying "its 360s fault! this guys said so, it must be true!" same goes to xbox fanboys saying that because some cross platform games run smoother on 360 makes 360 better (that is developers fault for developing on 360 assuming it would auto work on ps3 with little work).

There are plenty of games that work for both platforms that say this dev is full of shit

[Jack The Lad]

I thought the xbox 360 was faultless?

[dead_eye]

so the xbox is like a pc in more ways than one then. you have to keep on upgrading it to play new games. shame the only way to upgrade is to by a new console.

is it getting close to xmas.

[sjeen66]

mafia 2 and now shank damn what else that the xbox doesn't ruins ..?

[SirRunic]

This game is very average. Aside from the unique graphics.

[MiltonZep]

This thread is funny. God so many faggot fanboys.