How Disc Swapping Works in Castlevania: Lords of Shadow for Xbox 360

Although Lords of Shadow's story is told in an episodic, linear fashion, you'll want to revisit earlier levels to find missing collectibles and beat any additional challenges. Without installing, you'll have to swap discs every time you want to revisit earlier levels.

[GWAVE]

That's to be expected, but pretty lame.

[DelbertGrady]

I know another thing that's expected and that will be lame, for you at least, about this multiplat. Here's a hint: Bayonetta, Red Dead Redemption, Mafia 2.

You should be happy if you get away with a mandatory install and some foliage.

It's nice that they give us an option to install both discs.

[raztad]

Listing multiplats wont change the fact xbox has a dvd drive. And yes it is LAME.

It is lame today and it will be "lamer" tomorrow.

RDR is very playable on PS3 albeit inferior. Nobody cares about Bayonetta, not even the xbox fans, that forgot to buy the superior version. Mafia 2 sucks in all consoles.

[A Cupcake for Gabe]

Soda is a troll. And apparently only telling him to shut up for being a troll, is a personal attack so I lost a bubble for it. So I'll chang it. please soda, quit trolling and put you time to better use, like an education.

@NECRUM & MOTOROLA

heres a bub back at you

[NecrumSlavery]

heres a bubble cupcake. fail trolls are fail. best to ignore them.

[fr0sty]

hey, at least our exclusives aren't gimped also like the sub HD alan wake, or halo 3 & ODST. At least when we get a gimped port, it's due to developers not taking the time to optimize the game for PS3, and not because the hardware just can't handle it like you see with 360's exclusives.

[Motorola]

I lost a bubble for saying bad stuff abt Hannah Montana :( IDG IT

[Lovable]

@fr0sty

But MGS4 is sub hd as well...One of the best game this gen according to many people...

[corneliuscrust]

People around here have VERY selective memories

[lowcarb]

Disc swapping is no where near as bad as having an inferior looking version.Also the fact these games to name a few look better on dvd9 say a lot.

edit: not sure why you need to bring up bayonetta sales but visually it does look better which is what he's talking about.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

You what else was lame? Bayonetta's Broken PS3 version that came on Bluray disc.

[3sq]

FF13 3 discs sub HD on 360 no towns :)

Edit: Below, where did I say PS3 version has towns? :P

[SOAD]

Did the PS3 version of ff13 have towns, 3sq?

[number47]

360 fans will always talk about 'versions' of mutliple platform PS3 games. Since there is absolutely without the shadow of a doubt nothing to discuss exclusively when it comes to Xbox gaming software technology. Its always a bag of Buh's and wait for _______ title. Since there are no retail releases in the past 5 years to qualify. Yeah a game performing .05 less on a ps3 than the 360 version is really the battlefield when both look terrible compared to PS3 exclusives. rigght.

God Of War 3 ends the argument pretty well about Bluray/Resolution/Amount on screen/Scale/Anti-Aliasing/Str eam Loading pretty easily. As do all top graphical titles throughout different genres on the PS3. FPS/TPS/Sim/Open World/ Is all covered. Not only do they bring top end visuals, but also good gameplay which scores well.

You guys need to stick to sales argument parties, Its the only valid point when it comes to anything 360 related. And Microsoft deserves credit, it takes a special someone to invest 30 million into advertising -a- single game, versus a game lineup. Sony has the technology + quality + diversity + bar raising arguments covered. Which is unfortunate for those ps3 owners who would rather play sales pdf's with their Xbox friends. but its ok for those that like a diverse console gaming lineup. :\

Sometimes I wonder what it feels like to stumble into these silly arguments with only multiple platform games in your argument. Doesn't it cancel it out when the PS3 runs that game, and a Killzone3/GT5? Which proves it not only runs the meh-tiplat, but also a game that the 360 has no variant of due to its hardware specs?

So silly...

Going into 2011/late 2010, so now we have to "buh buh wait for brink and rage!!!" Last time it was 'buh buh wait for Alan lol Wake and Splinter Cell!!!!" Even you guys gave up on Crysis2, which was definitely in the satchel of buh' wait fors.

Does no one see the pattern here? PC Code -> ZOMG KILLZONE WHO?!?!?! -> Bullshots -> Bullvideo -> Release -> underhwelming technology that cant compete with Uncharted 1 let alone anything else -> onto the next unreleased game..

[corneliuscrust]

How graphics is EVERYTHING when talking about exclusives, but "good enough" is just fine when talking about multiplatform games.

Good games are good games.

[Trebius]

360 has been MAXED.

PS3 has NOT.

END OF STORY

[bartbart]

How long have you been developing for the 360? and the ps3?

[Akagi]

Why aren't you banned yet? You have one bubble, your comment as a lot of disagrees; there must be more to your life than petty trolling.

[gamingdroid]

I have none of the problems you people discuss since I own Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3. I just get it forever system I feel like!

[AntoineDcoolette]

lol DVD

[mikeslemonade]

I normally install all my games on 360 anyway. Moreover the PS3 should have an option to install all games. Installing will always make the game that much more faster than solely depending on that laser.

[kancerkid]

When did multiple discs become such an issue? WHO CARES? Install it and forget it. What the hell, 50% of games for PS3 NEED to be installed anyway.

Last gen a ton of games were multi disced and no one said a thing

[XabiTheHumble]

haha that little speech was full of win!!

[bakasora]

this reminds me of playing star ocean 4 on x360. i have to swap disc when i go back to previous town to farm minerals. and after 15 mins, i swap disc back to final dungeon THATS FKING SO BULLSHIT!!!

[vsr]

We experienced a decade ago on PS and PS2

[ThatsGaming]

@number47...

What has Sony really come to the table with besides graphics this generation? PS3 fanboys talk about graphics all day, but don't talk about great gameplay and the full console experience much... That's because the PS3 exclusives and console dashboard aren't doing anything new... Lair was a bomb, same with Haze, same with LBP, same with ModNation Racers, not to mention the most massive flop of them all PS Home (Remember all the great promises it had). Sony dropped key features including other O/S and backwards compatibility from the console. Not to mention over priced the unit to begin with. And blu-ray isn't exactly dominating the world. The PS3 turned into the Promise System 3... And yes, PSN is free, but PSN has had security issues, failures on big games releases, etc. (you get what you pay for).

Killzone is just a Call of Duty clone, God of War is the same old formula with nothing really new, Infamous and Prototype are pretty much the same game, LBP is just a level editor with very little game playing value. Motorstorm is nothing compared with the Burnout series. SingStar still has wired mics from the PS2. The only truely great PS3 games this generation are Uncharted and Demon Souls. They are the only reason the PS3 is breathing.

Meanwhile on 360 we have seen some great new IPs and improvements on existing genres... Gears of War brought us a weapon that doubles for melee combat, horde mode, and a nice cover system (Cover system cloned in KZ2). Crackdown was the first open world over the top open world game this generation (not infamous), Lost Odyssey is still the best JRPG this generation, XBL Achievements were cloned by Sony as Trophies, DLC for games started on 360, Lips on 360 uses wireless motion sensing mics, Games on Demand runs circles around PS3 full game downloads, XBLA has 5 times the games PSN does. Game Room is a real tribute to past Atari and Intellivision consoles for retro gamers.

Sony keeps on playing catchup this generation. While 360 is setting the pace and Sony is cloning almost everything they do. Facebook, Twitter, NetFlix, In game Chat, Achievements/Trophies, etc. Heck Sony hasn't stopped there... They are also cloning the Wii... WiiMote meet Move...

[ZBlacktt]

Have you been hiding in a closet the last 3 years or something? Has all the Game of the years just gone by you for the last two years? Does still playing on a DVD system really not seem odd? The story here is still multi disc swapping. Something I did back on my PS1 with MGS1..... 12 years ago. This is not a " fanboy " issue. It's a technology issue and DVD is holding the Xbox back plain and simple. So when you see games like Batman AA come with Joker player on the PS3 or Fall3 GOTY edition come all on one disc. Or FFXIII cut way down on the DVD version. That should be telling everyone something.

As far as catch up? A full year ahead and worldwide launch of the Xbox hasn't stopped the PS3 from running it down now has it? Why? Maybe because Sony is the king in this market? The #1 and #2 all time best selling consoles? Meanwhile the Xbox did get #1 as the highest fail rate of any console in history. What other facts would we like to cover? I mean, we could site facts all day long here. But if you think you are getting the best bang for your buck with your console. Then more power to you.

[Games4M - Rob]

You make a couple of decent points but then you ruin it by jabbering like a fanboy.

Gears didnt invent the cover system and if you think having a gun that doubles as a melee weapon is some kind of innovattion then your an idiot - its just an animation, it hardly revolutionises gaming.

Killzone is a COD clone ? On what basis - that they are both FPS games ??? In that case Halo is also a COD clone.

Sony is copying MS and then you start talking about Lips ?

The bottom line is that the PS3 is technically superior to the Xbox and this is reflected in its games. Thats not to say that Xbox games suck but if you want to try and argue that things like disk swapping is a good thing then you are just going to make yourself look silly.

[gamingdroid]

I fail to see how a storage format is holding back a system? Especially when you can just have multiple discs and even install it on the hard drive. Sure it is a small inconvenience, but hardly an issue.

Storage really is a non-issue when there are workarounds. If it wasn't possible, then we certainly one can make a case. Otherwise, it is just pulling at straws.

[sikbeta]

@number47

True, but you know, they aren't that familiar with the concept of something exclusive, heck, even MS is not familiar with that, they keep putting on games boxes "only on 360" when exist PC counterparts, one can say that's false advertising but for real, it seems like they don't know about exclusivity...

As for the x-crowd, they have less and less exclusive games, so they try to downplay others using multiplatform games and downplaying exclusives games from others consoles

We had:

"Metro2033: teh KZ2 killa" = never happened
"Bayonetta: teh God of War killa" = never happened
"Dante's inferno: the God of War wannabe on my console of choice that will kill the original" = never happened
*exclusive-> "Alan Wake: teh graphicz killa" = nop

[insomnium]

Great reply! Bubbles!

[bustamove]

I can't say I was surprised about this, lol.

[iPad]

It's the year 2010, and they still use multiple disks.

[Kahvipannu]

2010 and disks? What are those? :P

[madpuppy]

That is like some sort of archaic technology from the distant past, right?? like vinyl or the wax cylinder?

[ThatsGaming]

More games ship on DVD and are bought on DVD than any other format.

Blu-ray may have won the HD war, but it is a long way from winning the physical media war with DVD. Goto Wal-mart, Best Buy, Target, Fry's, etc... Blu-ray section small, DVD section large.

Nobody cares about blu-ray outside of Sony fanboys.

[Kurt Russell]

Lots of pre-pubesants lmao'ing and lol'ing over the concept of a disk? They should be culled before they grow and produce zits for babies...

I personally in the case of these multiple disks... install them, job done. I would do it without bitching, whinging or even a flicker of an eye...

I've never known such a nerdy ill informed website as N4G.

[asyouburn]

im sure years ago, the VHS section was huge and the DVD section was tiny. jeezus. what do you have against moving forward in technology? dvd cant last forever, and alot of countries still dont have internet, so physical media is needed whether the fanboy in you believes it or not

[madpuppy]

Blu-ray is growing rapidly in the market, You sound like those people that thought they were missing something because of the 16x9 letterbox format not filling their 4x3 television screens.

Blu-ray is exploding, just because you are not a customer doesn't change things.

www.hdtvmagazine.com/news/2010 /05/responding-to-the-remarkabl e-growth-of-bluray-hardware-war ner-bros-home-entertainment-gro up-expands-its-dvd-to-bluray-up grade-program.php

hdtv.biz-news.com/news/2009/0 1/08/0074

news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105- 10288294-1.html

[Bathyj]

Whats a Disc swapping?!

[house]

the ps1 did back in the day and it still happens today for some stupid reason (no blu ray) Microsoft should have at least put hd dvd but i cant understand why they didnt doesn't seem logical

[sak500]

I'd rather swap a disc once in a while then to do mandatory installs for 20 mins before playing every game. At least we have option of full install which takes 7 mins not like slow @ss bluray which takes 20 mins for 5 gb install.

Since 2 of my 360s have 250gb i can install many games and even multi disc versions unlike ps3 which has half mandatory requirement and not even a full install option. Dont tell me about 25gb BOOrAY disc games 90% of the games are just 8~10gb and rest is duplicated data so that the drive doesnt take 1 hour to load one game.

[Jack The Lad]

Is this the 1990's? :D

[house]

so you would still be happy disk swapping when you have to go back in the game and swap that disk back again wow annd most games that are 7 to 9 gbs are muilty plat games most Sony exclusives have 20 to 40 gbs

[jams_shop]

Time travel my friend. Thank you, Microsoft. :(

[Foliage]

It's always the "limited" edition, when you buy the 360 version.

360 is very limited in what it can do.

[ImmortalLegend]

I knew that as soon as I opened this a bunch of the Sony fanboys were gonna be riding Sony's d*** like always. You guys are making an issue out of something minor. Sorry guys, I'm not that lazy and fat to get up and swap a disc. If you really are that lazy just get a larger HDD and stfu. It seems like you expect microsoft to just all of the sudden switch their format when their console has been out for 5 years now. I expect even you immature 12 year olds to release that isn't a good move for business.

[jessupj]

No one is expecting MS to change the hardware now, thats just silly. No one in this thread has said that so I don't know why you're accusing them of that. It's never a matter of being lazy about disk swapping, it's just a very annoying inconvenience and it shouldn't be happening at this point in time.

Yes it is a minor issue, but I think the reason Sony fans are so vocal about the it is because we're still pissed at MS. MS deciding to put out dated DVD9 drives in the 360 affected PS3 owners a lot more than 360 owners. The reason? Multiplate games have to be limited to the 360 hardware. The games could have been so much more had MS opted for HD-DVD. So short sighted MS has effectively gimpged an entire generation because of their greed. So naturally PS3 owners aren't very happy.

[ImmortalLegend]

Blame the devs no Microsoft. Wait no, not the devs, blame the publishers mainly. Do you remember last generation when the PS2 had inferior hardware and they made original xbox games look a little better? Why isn't that happening now? Don't blame Microsoft. Your pointing your anger in the wrong direction.

[Traveler]

Disc swapping is ~slightly~ annoying and so if both versions are pretty close I will definitely get the PS3 version. Well actually mandatory installations are also annoying so I will also have to wait and see if the PS3 version has a mandatory installation.

The game itself looks outstanding. It is by far one of the best looking and exciting multi-platform games on the horizon.

[DatNJDom81]

NOW ITS COOL TO INSTALL GAMES!?!?! HEY PS3 OWNERS, 360 FANGIRLS SAY ITS OK TO INSTALL GAMES NOW. LOL.

Hypocritical to the end. Just LOL!

[vsr]

We experienced a decade ago on PS and PS2.

[Rainstorm81]

its the swapping a disc just to back track within the game world, how many disc swaps will you go through in one playthrough??

Even the ps2 didnt have very many two disc games, i thought we were going away from multiple discs after last gen......i guess not.

off topic:

some of you diehard Xbox fans, you guys always make me laugh....1st shank isnt a good game now installs are fine, yet within the same argument bash the ps3 for mandatory installs when very few games even install anymore....then go off and defend mediocre games like bayonetta and Mafia 2.... hey anything to give you a leg up in an argument huh?

**ill give you RDR awesome game and i prefer the 360 version (hey im a graphics whore)**

[pixelsword]

It's a pretty good swapping technique to load one of the discs entirely, but I think if I get this game at all, I'll probably get the PS3 version only because I don't have a Microsoft HDD and I want to minimize the disc swapping if I can.

[2FootYard]

360 version inferiority confirmed. This game will be better than God of War but the poor bots don't really get to enjoy it when they have to get up off their assess every five minutes to swap a disc. So us Sony gamers still win.

[Mista T]

cause you can't take out a disk and put in a new one? laziness confirmed

[redsquad]

Do you use a TV remote?
If yes: "Laziness confirmed".
It really is a poor argument to say "how hard is it to change a disc?". The point is that the technology exists to remove the need.

[Mista T]

remotes are used more often for things like switching channels and turning up and turning down the volume, which happens more often then compared to a game where like for example you have 2 disks and the game lasts 12 hours.

that would mean you would have to actually get up and change the disk like for example when you complete the first 6 hours and change it to the second one. whereas a remote, channel changing and volume changing occurs more often than disk changing in a videogame

a better analogy would be a tv controller and a game controller

@Lovable- 2 disks are my limit, but if its 3 then thats a bit much in my opinion, unless the game is ginormous

[Lovable]

Have not played Star Ocean 4 Mista T?

@above
"that would mean you would have to actually get up and change the disk like for example when you complete the first 6 hours and change it to the second one."

It's not a matter of how many discs are there the game, but it's the fact that you really need to swap the discs MULTIPLE times maybe even exceeding 100 times when you started doing some side quest on different planets.

[bartbart]

I have to not only switch discs, but INSTALL EACH DISC when I'm playing MGS4, that's cool? If I want to go back to a previous act...and have to INSTALL disc yet AGAIN... that's cool too right?

But when I have to switch discs while playing a 360 game it's inferior, lame, etc blah blah blah.

Why is that?

[Kahvipannu]

Bart bart, becouse MGS4 is PS3 exclusivity, and it's not on X360, that's why.

[Djinn]

@bartbat

idiot...MGS$ is on one disc. What the hell are you talking about?

[Aceluffy]

I hope you're not missing the point here.
The issue is not how lazy we are to change discs but the game genre.
Let's say if you play a linear game that doesn't need backtracking, more than 2 or 3 DVD's are fine since you won't need to change the disc every time you want to complete different side missions or objectives.
But it has been explained that with Castlevania, you will do quite a lot of backtracking if you want to collect all the treasures or trophies/achievements, that's where changing disc become an inconvenience. Get one treasure here and then come back there ( Change disc ), after you reach there, come back here again to fetch this to that ( Change disc ), etc etc.
It's almost 2011, please all party, get with the times ! Advance the technology, don't hold it back by supporting old technology.

[pixelsword]

When it comes to gaming I am lazy, I must admit.

Not wanting to switch discs can be called lazy but consider this:

How is not writing your friends to play in a game instead of cross-game chat not laziness?

it's all what you are willing to put up with.

Both situations are being lazy if you don't want to do it, but also both situations are not a big deal.

[bartbart]

Yep, it's all on one disc.

Yet they divided it into smaller sections, acts. Might as well be discs. What use is blu ray if i have to install "sections" of the blu ray one at a time? They could have included 4 or 5 discs and there would be little to no difference since you have to install between acts anyway.

I don't get how these kids around here slam multiple discs and laud blu ray because of its higher size limit.

You have to install each one separately in order to play it. You can't even load an old save for an old act without reinstalling the old act. Then when you want to go back to your new save, you have to reinstall that act over the old one. Only can install one act at a time.

WTF!!!!!

I thought blu ray would save me from waiting around. I know sure as hell that installing these acts takes a hell of a lot longer than if i just had to swap a disc and go.

So where is the benefit of blu ray here?

Even in the game otacon takes a shot at the dvd format saying "you wont need to switch discs because this is on blu ray"

Yeah, no disc swapping, but a 5 minute install any time you want to play an act other than the one you're currently on.

Yet MGS4 was not slagged for this... hypocrisy otherwise known as n4g

[Black-Helghast]

Better than God Of War? Are you nuts??!?!?!

[CharlesDCI]

He obviously hasn't played GOW 3. Probably has the "I don't have too" mentality. Hopefully I will play Lords of Shadow at PAX next week and see if it competes with the ALmighty GOW..

[Newtype]

Capcom has been slacking along with Square Enix. Their fighting games are the only worth while titles. I doubt it would be better, Santa Monica is the better game developers as of now.

[UnSelf]

better than who?

[Montrealien]

Game not able to fit on one DvD confirmed. Does this make it inferior? nope.

[sak500]

Most PC games come on single DVD and even after installation not take more than 6~7 GB which is what the size of average MP games around on consoles. Games like GTA, RDR, Bad company are all single dvd and provide much better experience on 360 than many of exclusive 25GB BD games on ps3. Yet all we hear are about graphics on the "exclusive" games which are only corridor shooters and not open world where 360 games shine. Ps3 can't handle open world games better than 360.

[XabiTheHumble]

So delusional. Infamous 2 anyone?

[Hoje0308]

sak500
If you think PS3 games are nothing but corridor shooters, then you obviously don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. I haven't seen the 360 do anything like GOW3 as far as scale and fidelity go. If that doesn't convince you, I suggest you find some gameplay videos of inFamous 2, which has better graphics than any 360 game and is truly open-world. By the way, Halo Reach is not open world, so leave that argument at home.

P.S. Get some cream for that butthurt.

[KratosGirI]

Don't you ever dare involve us with your fanboy shit ever again.

[SOAD]

says the guy whose name and avatar is the definition of Ps3 fanboy.

[KratosGirI]

I mean, there's always Nintendo ;)

[Spaghett]

Kratos sucks!

[NeutralGamer]

Just because he is a fan of Kratos does that really make him a PS3 fanboy?

Heck I dont even own a PS3, but Kratos and Solid Snake are so cool (played ALL MGS, besides 4... Even the PSP ones)

[Scotland-The-Brave]

says the guy thats always there to rescue his retard xbox friends

[KratosGirI]

My former self is RDOD.

I, am KratosGirl. The True KratosGirl and not that imitation that is known as KratosGIRL.

So I hope that clears some things up.

[SOAD]

How did you change your name from RDOD to Kratos Girl?

@Scotland the Brave

I don't remember telling you any damn thing. So this is none of your business.

[Dance]

because installing the first and playing off the second makes it inferior

[darkziosj]

yeah because intalling a game that take 10 mins while changing a disk in 5 secs will take longer

[Scrooge]

I don't know what to click here. Agree for "360 inferiority" but Disagree for "better than God of War". This game will be good but it's a tall order to be better than GOW. But seriously, disc swapping isn't all that bad.

[Djinn]

EDIT

[sikbeta]

@2FootYard

GOWIII is The BEAST, Castlevania can't even try to compete....

[mrv321]

Blu-ray isn't needed in this generation /sarcasm

[Steve_Urkel]

It isn't needed, its more of a luxury to have or use it. PC games still come on DVD's and they can look better than any PS3 Exclusive on a Blu-ray disk. PS2 games where on DVDs and look how far we come from then and we are still on DVD's with the exception of the PS3. I buy a game for whats on the disk, not for what type of disk it is.

Did I dooo that?

EDIT: Yes you can install the game on PC, but you can also install the first disk and play off the second so it really doesn't matter. Being on a Blu-ray disk isn't going to make me enjoy the game any more or any less if the game sucks. If you threw Too Human on Blu-ray would the game be better? No. Blu-ray does have its advantages but DVD's are not obsolete. Only the PS3 is currently using Blu-ray for its games, so until everyone switches, a DVD based game isn't a problem.

[redsquad]

Soft beds are just a luxury too, but I'd take one over a pile of rocks any day...

[OpenGL]

Yeah, but all games get installed to the hard drive on the PC anyway, so it's not the same as on the 360. Also, for some reason Microsoft reserves 2GB of space on every DVD for security purposes(which doesn't even work), so it's really only like 6.8GB of space on a 360 dual-layer DVD.

Also disk = magnetic media, where as disc is the correct spelling for optical media.

[Chris399]

Aside from ease of cross-platform coding, comparing a 360 to a PC is just dumb. There are far more options on a PC. A PS3 is definitely closer (you could even put Linux on it at one point).

Blu-ray is not a luxury when you have a piece of tech that you want to produce relevant games for, over a period of 10 years. Please wake me when MS produces something on their box that has the same scale and cinematic scope as Uncharted. The 360 has some great games, but getting into a debate about which piece of tech is superior is pretty much a tired argument at this point that even the most staunch fanboys tend to steer away from.

[mrv321]

A PC has a hard drive as standard... the 360 does not.
Most PC games come of multiple disks also :P infact games like starcraft 2 require 12 GB which is two disks.

[morganfell]

You are one of those people that thought hardware 3D acceleration was unnecessary. Still load your games off a 5 1/4 floppy or do you have a fancy shmancy cassette tape drive for your Commodore 64?

And why are you attacking Bluray? What are you? A Quaker? From the way you talk people do not need Bluray or any modern technology. Everyone should be driving wagons.

Cellphone? Bah! Not needed. Plenty of people just meet in person. And why do you have a computer in the first place? You don't need to surf the internet. Go read a book or get your porn the old fashion way...in person or from the cave drawings that Ug did of his wife.

And if you need entertainment play some tic tac toe or watch your little brother run from a pterodactyl.

I love how these hypocritical anti-technology people split hairs to try and justify their fanboyism.

[Thecraft1989]

Pc games get away with dvd becuase all the stuff is compressed and then uncompressed during install meaning pc games tend to be about 11gb+ where as 360 has 6.8gb due M$ shitty security.

[CernaML]

Face it, DVDs are showing its age. And no, you cannot compare them with PC games that are also on DVDs. PC games are highly compressed on the disk and are REQUIRED to be installed anyway which WILL take up A LOT of space on your HDD. Plus, most PC gamers download digital copies anyway!

There are a lot of arcade owners out there you know. A lot of them were probably screwed over when they bought the two disked Forza 3 and then realizing it's impossible for them to enjoy the full experience unless they had an HDD. These same owners won't be able to install any of these multi disked games and will have to switch disks many many times.

And just to make things worse, DVDs are incredibly fragile. It's bad enough that you have to take extra care of ONE DVD compared to one BD. Jeez... I buy my first 360 game and I'm already cursed with this multi disked bullsh*t.

Oh, and one more thing. It's amazing how even if a 360 game is on multiple discs, any prerendered cutscenes or intro movies look like pixelated crap. Bu bu bu at least we have teh foliage!

[Montrealien]

"You are one of those people that thought hardware 3D acceleration was unnecessary. Still load your games off a 5 1/4 floppy or do you have a fancy shmancy cassette tape drive for your Commodore 64? "

There is a difference between 3D hardware acceleration and storage. However, just to give you an idea of how crazy all of this is. Check this out, let's pretend we were stuck with a 3,5" floppy drive on the PS3. You could store Uncharted 2, across a about 15 000 3.44mb 3,5" flobby disks, install them one by one and the game would look exactly as it looks now.

"And why are you attacking Bluray? What are you? A Quaker? From the way you talk people do not need Bluray or any modern technology. Everyone should be driving wagons. "

What do you care, many people have no need for Blu ray, and when it comes to gaming, it has yet to be proven that is is nothing more then a larger storage type.

"Cellphone? Bah! Not needed. Plenty of people just meet in person. And why do you have a computer in the first place? You don't need to surf the internet. Go read a book or get your porn the old fashion way...in person or from the cave drawings that Ug did of his wife. "

Hyperbole much? That has nothing to do with the argument of Blu-ray larger capacity being needed for gaming. Uncharted 2 is not on of the best looking games this gen because of blu-ray, its because the PS3 is a more powerful console. If the PS3 would of had a DvD drive instead of the Blu-ray drive, it would of looked the same, however you would of had to probably install it on your console and let it uncompress a few files on the PS3, and as a PS3 owner, installing games is something I have gotten used to, so it is not a big deal.

"And if you need entertainment play some tic tac toe or watch your little brother run from a pterodactyl. "

Hyperbole again, this subject really geats to you, you don;t usually let out like that.

"I love how these hypocritical anti-technology people split hairs to try and justify their fanboyism."

I am speaking for myself here, I am not against Blu-ray, I have a PS3 and many Blu-Ray movies and all the amazing Sony exclusives that take advantage of the PS3's hardware. And I am for the advancement of technology. However you, and many people here on N4G will not convince me that the storage medium is what makes the game.

With that said, I respect your opinion on this matter, you will just never convince me that it is needed to make a better game.

[bilbobob]

to bring the P.C into this then you need to realize its no better than the PS3. You have to install every game to your Hard Drive on the P.C too. Suppose that's OK tho. And thats no matter how many DVd's it comes on.

DVD is a dying format and should be. Its only you 360 lovers that are holding the light up on this one. That's because it helps your 'my console is better than your console' argument.

[WiiPS3beats360]

Blurays don't scratch bro it's way better experience when you don't have to worry about a disc scratching

[sak500]

@godofwarfanboy

I've been using 360s since 2005 dec and till date not one game has scratched. Would have been better if you used the classic RROD in here cuz 2 of my 360s developed it but were repaired free of charge by MS. NOw both are still working 3 years in their life which hardly we can say about ps3's life cycle w/o YLOD.

Ontopic: If i install 50 gallon gas tank to my car's existing one i would be a retard to think it will perform better in anythign except mileage. BD is nothing but storage and in its 4th year it has yet to prove it's worth in ps3. The corridor games like gow3 and unchartered are just streaming stuff off HDD's or BDiscs whatever is being used as i dont know there is mandatory install for these games but BD will not work magic and increase it's limited 256mb VRAm to suddenly start showing 512MB textures.

[The Lazy One]

@godofwar:
the coating on Blu-Ray discs can actually be put on any optical disc media. I'm kind of surprised they don't coat 360 games with it, because I can't imagine it's THAT expensive.

@morgan:
Blu-Ray does nothing for game quality. The only benefit it brings is a larger storage size, as previously mentioned. It even reads slower in the PS3 than most DVD drives. Good developers will make good games regardless of the storage medium (see: rage, Assassin's Creed, Crysis 2, Dragon Age 2, Bioshock, etc.)

The reason Blu-Ray is not needed is because there are technologies out that make Blu-Ray and DVD both completely inferior. Holographic Discs or cards totally dwarf Blu-Ray's storage size, and various solid state memory storage devices both read faster and have variable storage size that could also potentially dwarf Blu-Ray.

Optical Discs in general are totally inferior and unnecessary technology.

[morganfell]

Where did I say anything about Bluray contributing to the optical quality? Where? Just show me.

That is such a lame tactic. Al Gore uses that method all of the time. Responding to things people did not say because many people will not go back and verify and just assume that was in the initial remarks.

Holographic storage is inferior to bio-engineered trans dimensional micro storage. Yeah, that isn't feasible on a mass scale either or it would be available at every Walmart.

Necessity is the mother of invention and until she gets off her duff optical discs are going to be the best technology around. At least be honest and admit DVDs are inferior to Bluray.

[Montrealien]

well, besides the fact that you can fit more on one disk, Blu ray has yet to show us why it is needed. Lets pretend the PS1 had DvD in the early nineties. Would it have made FFX7 a better game? nope. Would it have fit on 1 disk, yep.

[sdtarm]

is that with dvd games have to get compressed and that DO make a difference, although really slightly

[Nathaniel_Drake]

lossless audio

[Biggest]

Why are we going into the past, Montrealien? BluRay allows for more. That is why it is needed. We can pretend about the past all day. Doesn't change the fact that we're moving forward. DVD is the past.

[Ri0tSquad]

It can fit more data on the disc, that's why it's needed. Games aren't getting smaller and DVD is a last gen format. I guarantee you 720 will be using Blu-ray. Anyways, FF7 on DVD would of been really convenient and things like FMV scene quality and sounds would been superior. I can't even replay my copy because disc one is too scratched up so I'm stuck with disc 3. So yeah, I think it would of been a better game on 1 DVD.

[Montrealien]

I am not living in the past, just giving a little perspective here. Blu ray has its advantages, and it is the future of disk storage, and I believe that, but no one will convince me it is needed to make better games. Sorry.

[XabiTheHumble]

@Montrealien better games no? bigger games (as far as consoles go) yes.

[Traveler]

PS3 is my favorite console, but where are these bigger games on the PS3 that Blu-ray supposedly allows for? So far all the biggest games I have played have all been multi-platform games that fit on a DVD.

I basically agree with Montrealien. I love that my PS3 has Blu-ray to play Blu-ray movies and it kind of nice that those few games that need it can fit on one disc, but I am not going to jump on the bandwagon of exaggerating how important it is.

[Biggest]

I don't understand you guys. Is time going to stop tonight? Will we forever be stuck in August of 2010? Are games going to stop growing? Or is time going to stop long enough for something larger than BluRay to appear, and restart in time to render BluRay useless for games? If you don't feel we need BluRay for games today, you will tomorrow. If not tomorrow then next year. The point is that BluRay gives the option for games to grow. I don't want to live in 1998 again.

[The Lazy One]

@"It can fit more data on the disc, that's why it's needed. Games aren't getting smaller and DVD is a last gen format. I guarantee you 720 will be using Blu-ray. Anyways, FF7 on DVD would of been really convenient and things like FMV scene quality and sounds would been superior. I can't even replay my copy because disc one is too scratched up so I'm stuck with disc 3. So yeah, I think it would of been a better game on 1 DVD."

Dude. If any of the companies are smart, they won't store their games on optical media and just have the drives for media playback.

Digital distribution or a custom produced solid state cartridge would vastly outperform any optical media standard on the market today.

1TB hard drives are $70 today. I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen consoles had 2 or even 3 TB hard drives and switched completely to DD. If the FCC reaches even half of it's goal in the National Broadband Plan, we'd be able to download a 50gB game in 15 minutes (faster than the time it would take you to go to the store and buy the game). If they used a simple compression algorithm (the kind that would decompress in seconds), you could download a 50gb game in probably closer to 5-10 minutes with maybe a 1-2 minute decompression time (And you can use lossless compression so it's the same).

How can anyone argue with this?

Say you want a solid copy of the game, sure they'll still sell them. You go to the store and buy a copy of your game saved in a non-writable USB like memory device that can install your game in 80 seconds (50gB game, USB 3.0 has transfer rates of 5 Gb/s or 625 MB/s. 50/.625 = 80 sec). Or you buy larger USB 3.0 or whatever devices that you can save your games to with their licenses to play at your friends (license stays on USB, so once you leave your friend still has to buy a copy).

I mean really, Blu-Ray on it's best day couldn't come close to how simple this would be.

edit: Oh yea... did I mention that neither of these technologies is bound by a size limit? larger USB 3.0 sticks and larger downloads would limit games only on their performance hardware not on storage size, lengthening the life of every console out there.

[darkziosj]

lol @morganfell u mad? Blueray is good BUT not a MUST and this generation prove it

[sak500]

Yes not needed. Nothing to show in the last 4 years of ps3's cycle except 3 corridor shooters which might as well be just FMV games from 90's pc titles. Shallow and repetitive.

Where as last gen format dvd 360 has proven to be still superior in Multiplat games which is always a better deal than to have 2~3 exclusives per year. MP games out number exclusives.

@ramzadel "lossless audio" My first priority was to get and HDTV back in Dec 2005 when i bought the 360 and never even bothered to upgrade teh sound system. I stil have 5.1 setup from 2004 which is great even today and not going to upgrade to 7.1 anytime soon. All that hype about lossless 7.1 was agaom started by sony to shove BD when in fact many people are not even having HDTV let alone a sound system capable of playing 7.1 so what other benefit can they get out of bluray?

[house]

not needed its isn't really needed if your not being innovative please 3 shooters is all sony has to show for?
i haven't seen some thing close to as good looking uncharted 2 or god of war 3 nothing close to the scale or graphic power and before you say wow two games only i really didn't want to put a list of games like most people here.

and your greatly misinformed if you think all multiplat games are that much better on the 360 the difference is very slight and some even looking better on the ps3 its a win win when it comes to mulityplat games

[PirateThom]

"Shallow and repetitive".

I honestly hope you're talking about Halo and not Uncharted here.

[Convas]

Can wait to play this game. From the looks of what everybody is saying in the previews, it'll be a TRUE Castlevania game. Fingers crossed.

Boxart is incredible too! Loving the new 360 swirls!

Inb4TrollTakeover

[life doomer]

ps3 it is then

edit: at first I was about to get the 360 version, but after this I thought of getting the ps3 version. I don't have enough space in my hard drive to install another disk.

[UnSelf]

oh look another multi console owner....for a second there i was feeling lonely

nice to meet u

[Christopher]

If it turns out the same as Bayonetta, 360 it is for me. I hate how that game turned out on the PS3.

[Christopher]

Anyone who disagrees with me has either never played it on the PS3 or played it on a small screen TV and not my 52" TV that made the game look like crap. Sure, it played okay, except for the damn load times, but it looked like one of the worst games out this gen.

[CernaML]

Why would this be anything like Bayonetta? They aren't outsourcing the PS3 port to their publisher. This game is actually leading on the PS3 by the actual development team. I've seen this game in action on the PS3. It looks incredible. But let me ask again... why the hell would you think this would be anything like Bayonetta? Paranoia? You might as well think that way for EVERY multiplatform game.

[Hank Hill]

Disc swapping?! What is this, 1998?!

[UnSelf]

its 2010

where u been?

[SilverSlug]

Propane and Propane accessories.

[TheColbertinator]

I tell you what

[3sq]

Yup, 360 is from 1998. ;)

[SilverSlug]

of making Disc swapping easier.

(read the article, all the fanboys start the inferior comments already)

[xCrazyStruddlex]

for earlier levels u need to swap discs to revisit areas thats stupid.

[punisher99]

Disc Swapping? What is it 1997??

Edit: Ooops Hank Hill already beat me to it. lol

[gcolley]

Edit: damn another fanboy beat me to it

[punisher99]

@gcolley: By 4 whole hours though. Now something just doesnt seem to be too sincere about your comment.

[KratosGirI]

Interesting, but I've already planned on getting it for the PS3 due to the fact that I don't play my Xbox anymore and I'm too lazy to hook it up again.

[fafoon]

Errr
Just the same as every other Disc Swapping Xbox 360 Game !
You Get up of your Ass
Take Disc A out and Insert Disc B
Then Repeat another 50 or so times until you play a Different Game that has only one Disc

[Matthew94]

err no

you install the first disc so you only ever need to use the second disc. fail on your part

[bilbobob]

you fail. Because no matter how you try to twist this. Having to make just one disk swap at all makes DVD and the 360 inferior.

for those that think different. Explain it to me.

[darkziosj]

i'll explaint it to you, in ps3 you install games = 15 minutes long
in 360 you change disk = 5 secs
see the diference right there?

[Aceluffy]

Installing games in PS3= 15 minutes long-----> 1 time
Changing discs in 360=5 secs------->multiple times plus little bit exercise ( just kidding )

Bluray capacity= 25 GB
DVD capacity= 7 GB

Honestly, do we want to stay in the past or advance the technology ?
More games with better graphics and physics are coming out ( See Rage ) and we have people still defending old technology. I'm 100% sure that most game developers will be able to express their creativity more if they don't have to worry about disc capacity.
If you prefer DVD that's fine, just never dismiss the advantage and the necessity of Bluray.

[BlackBusterCritic]

...certain companies didnt have the rubber guards taken out of the disc drives of their console in order to save themselves 25 cents per console at the expense of the gamer. I also wouldnt mind if the format I was swapping wasnt the most sensitive on the market, DVD-Rom. Shitty disc drive & shitty format can lead to your entire set of discs becoming USELESS.
The Xbox360 is the ONLY platform this generation that uses standardized DVD-Rom, the disc offers little protection to its own data, the console itself can destroy the disc, and the console sounds like a jet is taking off when it reads the disc.
"OH OH BUT U CAN INSTALL TEH GAME!" well, that sounds mandatory if you want to reduce the risk of having your investments destroyed.

[Matthew94]

the wii uses dvds or "wii optical discs" which are the same thing essentially

[BlackBusterCritic]

The Wii uses Nintendo's custom disc format (I think the Gamecube used a custom format as well). Their custom format is more resistant to scratching compared to DVD format. Its the middle ground between DVD & Blu-ray. Also, the Wii's optical drive wont scratch you games, even if you fucking flip it while reading, and it also reads through scratches better than the Xbox360.

[daevion0]

take your ass back 2 making ps3 fanboy videos on youtube. lol.

[BlackBusterCritic]

People call them fanboy videos, but could never disprove or counter anything said in the video. ^_^ Calling them fanboy videos shows your own weakness. XD

[naruto344]

I'm assuming Black Buster doesn't have the new 360 because it no longer sounds like a jet flying over my house and O yeah you did get fired from Blockbuster, that explains why you don't have one. Nintendo does have their own disc but it has the same storage as a standard DVD so i don't see whats your point.

[BlackBusterCritic]

It's sounds just like a DVD being burned at 16x, which is LOUD. And yes, I do have a Xbox360. I'm on my third one. >_> And the new Xbox360's are irrelevant because they STILL scratch your discs, and its still clearly AUDIBLE when playing a game (unless you install the game). Dont compare Nintendo's superior format to DVD, please. Microsoft takes up around 2 gigs of space to fight piracy THAT DOESNT EVEN WORK, while Nintendo's games nearly get the full capacity of space allotted on the disc. And like I said before, Nintendo's custom optical format is more scratch resistant.

[likedamaster]

PC have shipped NOT ONE disc on Bluray for a game. Fail.

[blackpanther25]

you know the one in which the those shipped multiple dvds have to to be installed into before playing the game that end up being 12 gigs or more >.> WOW is almost 20 gigs if not more lmao

so there is no need for blu-rays which i guess is more expensive than DVD cause PC game dont get the information from the disk thus the nodvd cracks. your comment FAILS

[Traveler]

Why is everything you say exaggeration and skewing of the facts? The PS3 is easily my favorite console, but I despise dishonesty.

You pretend there is a major problem of DVDs getting scratched, but I have never had a problem with scratched discs on my 360.

If you hate the 360 there are plenty of other things you could complain about. When you stretch things and exaggerate it just makes you come off as a big fanboy.

[The real killer]

Swapping disk is not a bad thing, but it holding down future game development becouse they have to cut the game to fit 2 oe 3 DVD's. But that's expected that the 360 is a low budget console compared with the PS3.

Blu-ray has allready proven that game's does very well.

[tiamat5]

Soda and Steve do you ever really want to add something useful to the conversation or do you just want to cause trouble all the time. Anyway having to swap discs all the time is annoying. Just because you 360 people have gotten used to it, it's still a disadvantage no matter how you sugar coat it. One disc, all the information and more, three discs, have to keep switching to play the game. I could keep getting up to switch channels on my T.V. but I would prefer to use a remote. Convenience people. BTW don't understand why people have to put down Bluray every chance they can because their system of choice doesn't use it

[jrbeerman11]

Sony did a risky move (at the time) choosing blu ray, and it paid off.

I have both systems, will buy for ps3.

[I Call 9MM]

... however, it would be nice if developers could choose to require if their games have a mandatory install. Disc swapping isn't a great system because you have to replicate some material between each disc that is the same, which diminishes the amount of space that is available. Couple with that 2 gigs of "security" space on each disc, that doesn't leave much extra room for developers.

For future games, Microsoft should allow mandatory installs, and then the problem of space becomes mute. Sell cheaper HDDs, more people will buy them, and developers can use more space. Not every game needs 25 or 50 gigs of space (especially if it is all just FMV), but for those that do, open up this option to the developer.

[I Call 9MM]

I also hope the install for this game limits the extra space needed on the HDD, such as not putting the entire first disc on the HDD if the data is already on the second disc. You might only end up with a 3-5 gig install maybe? Not too bad.

[Salvadore]

As long as Microsoft is selling Arcade 360, mandatory installs won't happen.

[ndibu]

I wondered why Mass Effect 2 didn't use this method. Install both discs on the hard drive and play off 1 disc.
Its not clever, its pretty obvious.

[1PC2PS33360]

this gen has gotten boring....both consoles are showing thier age, indicated by the diarhea resolutions, the fucking jagged lines everywhere, the pop-in, the puke inducing load times.

The bad thing about having all consoles and multiple high end gaming pc's is you see the weakness of each platform.

The PC has none
The ps3 has a few
the xbox 360 has a lot
and the wii should come in a cracker jack box, it is a cheap, funny, embarassing blight.

Listening to people bitch over console discrepencies is funny.
They are all so similar, it's negligible, minus bayonetta (nod goes to 360, but what a retarded, fucking trash ass, piece of shit game, played the 360 version, it still looked like shit, it was a slightly better x-blades) and ffxiii (ps3 easily takes this one, boring game, i know some love it).

Please bring the next gen on...it is getting hard to bear this one.

[DaBadGuy]

WITHOUT INSTALLING. You don't need to swap the discs, install them to your hard drive and play off the second disc. It's amazing how many people didn't even read the sample at the top of the page let alone the full article.

[Convas]

LOL, this is News 4 Illiterate Gamers dude. Read the title and you're good to go!

[punisher99]

@DaBadGuy: Why not just have one disc? Play off of it with no need to install anything and save precious HDD space??

[naruto344]

I'm assuming Black Buster doesn't have the new 360 because it no longer sounds like a jet flying over my house and O yeah you did get fired from Blockbuster, that explains why you don't have one. Lmao

[ChronoJoe]

If you only have to install one disc, and can one from one. You could pass the disc set onto a friend once you hit disc two, let them install disc two to there HDD and keep disc 1, returning disc 2.

Then you could continue to run your game from disc two, and your friend could play from disc one plus the installed gamedata of disc two.

Just a thought.

[1PC2PS33360]

good idea, you just made the 360 a better buy!! +bubs

[STGuy1040]

It looks like some people will be upgrading their HDDs to play this game.

[Godmars290]

How is it, when the subject comes up for the 360, load time and file size are never mentioned when with installs for PS3 its all about size and time?

[theDJKNOWN]

jezz, here come the pc techs whore asking for a new console gen " OH I NEED MORE TECH COCK IN MY ARSE" BluRyu adds more to the lifecycle. so please enlighten me on why it isn't needed, without saying it doesn't add to the graphics ?

[MorganX]

It isn't required. But it would make things more convenient for a handful of games.

I've gone back to the Xbox but, I'm prolly going to get this for my PS3. I'm not lazy, but I'm not swapping discs either. If I really like it, I'll trade it in after I play it and get the Xbox version for achievements.

[gamingisnotacrime]

so the 360 is like the Ps1 back in the day, suffering from technical limitations. 15 years later one would think this problems would be solved. :P

BTW, Konami nailed it with this technique, no disc swapping if you have the space on the Hard Drive

[Godmars290]

Honestly, how many times doe it have to be mentioned that there was nothing else, nothing better, in the time of the PS1 and PS2? They were the cutting edge of gaming within their eras, unlike the 360 which had three options with MS going with the cheapest and easiest.

And I'm sure all of the Kinect/Arcade SKU owners are going to love installing a disc worth of game data with what little from 4GB they have, or spending $130 just so they don't have to swap discs.

[mynd]

Or simply using a 16gb usb memory stick. Seriously, you guys just come off as desperate at times you know.

[TheObserver]

I would like to point out 16 GB USB drives are not free either.

$30?

Half a game. Or Half a Year worth of XBL.

[mynd]

Didnt say it was free, but it is not $130 either now is it. You pay for what you get, dont forget the Arcade is significantly cheaper. Complianing about an Arcade owner having to do this is like complaining about a VW not being as fast a Porsche, sure they are designed by the same guy, but you pay for what you get.
If the PS3 requires some sort of install, I really dont see any difference between this and installing disc 1 for the 360.
Sure the cheaper people are disadvantaged, but thats why they paid what they did.

[Godmars290]

"If the PS3 requires some sort of install, I really dont see any difference between this and installing disc 1 for the 360."

The difference is we have to hear how installing is an issue on the PS3 where it isn't on the 360.

In fact its so much not an issue that we have to hear every freaking solution and option for the freaking "non-issue."

[mynd]

Thats more than likley to do with the frequency of which it happens on respective systems, and the reasons behind it.

[Sikct9a]

Let's move on forward by having to swap discs.

[Thoreau]

the 360 is showing its' age. no denial here.

[Bazookajoe_83]

But they can always install.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Blu-Ray storage is good. But I rather swap a disc versus a long loading time.

[Neko_Mega]

Long loading time? You you even know who is helping make Castlevania? I'll give you a hit "MGS4".

Not all PS3 titles take long to load and some can be install to fix that.

[likedamaster]

"I'll give you a hit "MGS4""

A bad, bad example. That game had 5 installs to go with "no loading".

[Neko_Mega]

It isn't, stop to think how good the game look, then think about how much they know about the PS3 Vs 360.

An their you go.

[shuuwai]

not to be evil.

Could you install first disc on the Xbox360 w/ 4gig?

I find funny that MS ripping off their player base.

than again PS3 is doing same thing ....

But than again it's all about making money no?

[Neko_Mega]

They make it sound like it was a new idea, Forza 3 did this but for disc 2.

Anyways, one draw back to install games on the 360 is the hard drive only go's to 250GB for now, where if you did this on the PS3 you can get a 1TB for the PS3.

Anyways I'm getting this game.

[Clarence]

Installing! This will not fair well with 360 fans, seeing as they shit on PS3 owners for having to install certain things on the PS3.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

....but the installs are a lot quicker than the ps3.

[Neko_Mega]

Because the 360 is installing alot less then the PS3 is.

[Roonie]

360 fanboys is probly the most hypocrit group of fanboys you'll find on the net.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

I din't mind disc swapping on the 360 because that version will be far superior. The last few multiplats have been god awful but the exclusive DLC made up for that. ...im staying clear of multiplat game on the ps3 and buying them on the 360.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

that is the lamest statement ever how about its that slow ass Blu-Ray disk drive that's in the PS3.

[Neko_Mega]

PS3 bluray runs about the same as DVD but in Bluray players they run alot faster then the PS3's.

You can go look up the stats for it, keep in mind Bluray doesn't read the same way as DVD, an if you can count then you would know it is reading fast because of each layer it has to read.

[Pootangpie]

awapping discs takes secs installs take about 10-30 Min depending how big the install is if you have to complain about disc swapping that much you fellows must be a bunch of 600 pd lard asses

[Dcoz]

Theres really no problem playing off multiple DVD's, it just aches reminding oneself its something of the past. However we deem it, it is in fact something that shouldn't be happening today. Given the arrival of larger disks sizes one cannot help but feel that games are being watered down to fit onto DVDs, hence ps3's superiority.

There is however a sense of solidity in regards to the bluray game and a incomplete multiple disk game. Similarly a hard copy compared to digital download, it doesn't make a difference, hard copies just subconsciously feels better. If that makes any sense.

[big_silky]

Considering that Kojima had a hand in this, I wonder how much of that 2 discs is actual gameplay. :p

[Pootangpie]

it has very little effect or no effect at all on cutscenes in general I don't care what people think of the man I think he's a nitwit if you ask me he says MGS4 took up 50 gigs of bluray if you look at the MGS4 ISO you'll see it only takes up 30 or maybe that could easily fit on 4 discs or maybe less depending on whatever or not he compresses cutscenes thank god he has very little to do with this game and FYI I'm not installing the game into my HDD since there's no point and I don't mind swapping

http://www.ludibria.com/nfo...

[rakunado]

Well... if you can't equal the equivalent on bluray storage capacity, you disc swap. There is no alternative method besides putting it all on a hard drive, which some xbox users don't even have the capacity for. So disc swapping it is. I don't even see why this is an issue for xbox users. What? If they can open the tray and put in the disc for one game, what is the big deal for putting in another?

LOL I remember the time when pc games came on 5 ~ 15 5.25 disks and you had to constantly swap those every time you zone in specific areas in games like space, police, kings, hero's quest. Meh... swapping two disks is child's play.

However if the xbox360 has to swap discs and is inferior to the ps3 like FF13 with low textures and stuff. Now that should be more of a worry, otherwise it doesn't really matter.

Also... I'm not certain but there is a possibility in the near future there will be a ps3 game with TWO bluray discs then we will see how the arguments go then.

[cmrbe]

must be a big game. Either that or games are just getting bigger and this is the future of multi-plats on the x360.

[Roonie]

360 fanboys don't complain about having to swap disc every time you need to go into certain places in this game but makes a big deal about "missing grass", then argues "but but you can install it" and make fun of ps3 for installs.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUKING HYPOCRITS!

[Traveler]

But the same thing could be said of PS3 fans.

Swapping discs are HUGE deal, but mandatory installs are no big deal.

All fanboys are hypocrites.

[Supman]

Why does everyone care what the "Other" fanboy thinks?
if you think you won, then you win in you'r opioin,
and the the other guys wins in their opinoin.

[s45gr32]

More space more content. Little Big Planet franchise proves what can be done on bluray. PC DVD games are not worth it due to DRM which is the main reason why digital distribution took off on the PC. Only one percent or less of PC gamers buy ttheir games on DVD. DVD is a last gen format that is holding the creativity of game developers and keepings us away from playing say games in native HD resolution.....

[i3eyond the Circle]

So other than switching a disc how does this hurt the game?

I'm not understanding what the idiot bunch is arguing about.....

If they look the same....play the same and one version isn't plagued with longer loading and framerate problems...

I'll pick the version that I'd rather play......I can get my achievements....and use the controller that has a better feel for a game I've been waiting on since it was first shown.

End of the story...but I guess the fanboys will try to reason and say that disc swapping is last gen.....yet all I have to do is move my ass.

I wish I could fit all plates of food in my Microwave....but I can't.

[TheMutator]

i like tu see stupid people fighting for stupid things like this , you know there is a real world outside your room , with real problems...

[IHateYouFanboys]

very good decision by the developers of this game.

this pretty much just means itll be like the PS3 version in that you do a one-off install at the start, then you just play to your hearts content.

hopefully any other games that need 2 discs - so the 1-2 games every year at very most - do this same thing.

[ThatsGaming]

I found the article funny. I have been playing Lost Odyssey from my HD since the copy to HDD feature came out...

No disc-swapping required.

This isn't anything new. Forza didn't even give an option. They put disc 2 on the HDD automatically.

And I find it funny how PS3 fanboys are commenting about disc swapping. Since when are HDD installs mandatory on consoles... Right... PS3 was the first to do this, and why? Well, let's talk about how incredibly lame the PS3 architecture is that forced this on users. I made the mistake of buying a 20 Gb PS3... 5 games latter I had no hard drive space left.

[ChickeyCantor]

For those jumping all around screaming Blu-ray.
You guys wont even be playing it on the 360.
So why troll?

[ChickeyCantor]

I got disagrees for stating the obvious.

L O L.

[Droid Control]

Where's blu-ray when you need it?

Oh yeah, its on the PS3.

[earbus]

if blue ray is so great why arnt pc games using them is it because of low adoption great for movies but.

[Motion]

Well, 2 main reasons really:
1. Digit distribution is probably the main method of getting PC games now.
2. All PC games run off of hard drive installations, not disks, so even though games come with multiple dvd's, once a game is installed its no long necessary to ever switch disks.

Although many newer pc's do come with blue-ray drives, they aren't necessary for gaming under current methods.

[BabyTownFrolics]

any excuse to act like children, grow up people, and stop taking every opportunity to act like assholes to each other.

[shuuwai]

Seriously how long does take to swap a disc? 1min? or less

only reason i'll get piss off would be:
A: disc swap and graphic are not even 720P "cough", new FF for xbox360
B: Doesn't offer faster loading time

However, i don't mind disc swap at both a and b are being offer.

For the record Blu-ray do run slow for "Blu-ray" disc; however, if you pop DVD9 in it, the thing would be faster than a normal DVD player.

It's same thing with DVD player reading CDR faster.

[megacheak]

This is the first game on multiple disks, which allows you to install and play without changing the disk (although Forza implemented something similar). And this is a big plus, because it solves the problem with big games, with large open worlds. Especially since the majority of Xbox360 owners have a hard drive, Microsoft also allowed to use a USB memory 2 * 16GB (by apparently just for this reason), and buy a large hard disk is not that a problem for the serious player. So it's no problem, but rather a way out of this situation, and I hope that most new games will go the same way, instead of cutting back on content.

[blodulv]

I install every game I buy on the 360 anyhow. Load times are shorter, machine is quieter... no prob.

I'll be getting the better version of this wherever that may be, whether it's on one blu-ray or 2 dvd's.

[Motion]

Open dvd tray.
Remove archaic dvd game disk.
Insert another said disk.
Repeat constantly throughout game experience.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I am totally fine with installing games to the HDD to avoid disc swapping. Sure it sucks for arcade owners...but they paid at least $100 less than I did so i dont really care if they have to swap discs.

To be honest.... I imagine the next Xbox will probably implement installs just like PC's do and possibly avoice Blu Ray altogether. It might implement a blu ray player for movie playback but I really dont think they are interested in Blu Ray as a media storage device.

[Tzuno]

They waited this long to think at this possibility?

[FwanK]

I feel sorry for the guys who only have one bubble