EGM explains why Lair's review was awful

If you had missed it, they were the first gaming website to review the game and game the game very low scores. According to the latest podcast from them, the sit down and discuss the reviews of the game.

Here is what they liked and hated about the game:

[Violater]

"The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough"

Seems they have "real" dragons over there at 1up.

[TriggerHappy]

They wanted to sound as believable as ever, oh well am still getting that game.

[MACHone]

Yup, it's a day one purchase for me, too.

Part of my three weeks of gaming goodness lineup:
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - August 28
Warhawk - August 28
Lair - September 4
Heavenly Sword - September 12

230 smackers in three weeks! Let's hope I have a decent paycheck next Tuesday.

[ChronoTrigger87]

"Seems they have "real" dragons over there at 1up."

2funny.

[marinelife9]

>>"The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough"

Seems they have "real" dragons over there at 1up.<<

Hilarious!

I can understand them disliking things about the game. I'm just wondering what made it so bad that they gave it such a low score.

[gaffyh]

I don't trust 1up with PS3 reviews, they are all xbots. All the negatives that they expressed were all their opinions, how does it make the game bad?

"They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing" - So x-wings flap their wings now? They don't know the first thing about 3D modelling and texturing.

"The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough" - Real dragons apparently don't shoot fireballs, seems 1up have evidence of mythical creatures not shooting fireballs.

"The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey." - Not everything in real life is bright blue and red.

"They didn’t like the art style and said the game lacked innovation." - So that means every sequel ever made also is crap inluding Halo 3, MGS4, Mario???

They need to publish a retraction in my opinion, these comments show how biased they were before they even reviewed the game.

[nasim]

LAIR is the most visually impressive game ever created and contains 20x more poly than GEARS

and it is only possible on the PS3

DAY 1 purchase for me..no doubt

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...
IGN: Quick Fanboy wars question -- Could Lair be done under its current spec on the Xbox 360? If so, why go with the PlayStation 3 "only" instead of going cross-platform?

Eggebrecht: Lair in its current form couldn't be done on 360. We are using large amounts of Cell's SPUs for all of our geometry, landscape, simulations, animations, even troop AI. When we create a game, we absolutely focus on the platform it is designed around. Would we do one for 360, it would be a different game and a different engine -- most crucially perhaps though: Lair is an entirely different game without the motion control and gesture recognition since it was designed around it.

http://www.gamasutra.com/fe...

Each model, Worch claimed, contained somewhere between 100,000 and 170,000 triangles. Each had a bunch of other special maps and lighting applied, and the main character was built up with "over ten textures". He compared this to an estimated 10,000 for characters in Gears of War and other recent high-res games. The high-res models, meanwhile, that got dithered down to produce the in-game models, ran up around 5,000,000 triangles.

[MK_Red]

1.Awesome comment.
2.I think your post just broke the record of the biggest number of "Agree" responses!

[Wii60_FTW]

if lair is the best they've got to offer. they are doomed. and don't even get me started on le$bian sword. lol

[redsymphony]

lol thats some funny sh!t but for real how realistic can a game get that deals with dragons lol f**kn idiots thats why i dont get there magazines anymore cause there bullsh!t besides everything that can be found in there sh!tty magazine could be found online lol R.I.P EGM

[XxZxX]

The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough"

Seems they have "real" dragons over there at 1up.

HAhahaha GOLD!!!

I think they are 3 ppl in N4G seem to see "real" dragon too. 50 ppl haven't

[DeadIIIRed]

How am I expected to take these guys' opinion seriously when early in the podcast they start ripping on the PS3 and somehow glorify Microsoft's defective systems.

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

EGM sucks, they've become a farce of a magazine.

To me, Gamespot = EGM = 1up. And, thus, I fully expect Gamespot to give Lair a poor score as well (7.5 or below). All 3 entities (GS, EGM, 1up) are owned by CNET and all 3 suck.

[dragunrising]

The review crew at EGM gave the game a low score because they slept with the dragon in Lair and it gave them herpes. ¡STFU!
You can be objective or you can sound dumb like my comment...
I hope the game is better than they claim it is. Excited to try it out. Fanboys grab your pitch forks and torches!

[Omicronn]

"Seems they have "real" dragons over there at 1up."

haha that was great

[MACHone]

Motion controls were "cool?" Throughout half of their reviews, all they ragged on was terrible controls and poor ground combat! Either these guys are hypocrites or this is total BS.

Tell me this, if the motion controls are garbage and the dragons are too difficult to control, then why in all the gameplay videos do I see no one having a hard time controlling the dragons?

[TriggerHappy]

that is what confused me, how can something they claim is "confusing" be "cool" ?

[AznSniper]

I think they are BSing the game.

[Odion]

I always thought it looked freaking wierd how the dragon was spitting fireballs out like a machine gun and people were just holding it down.

[AznSniper]

well find a friend who is getting the game and try it out for urself then see how it really is

[krackchap]

ps3forums.com
me=happy

[TheExecutive]

I can see the dragons and fireballs stuff... it did seem a little off. Maybe thats what they were fixing with the delay- it would be possible to do that. Art direction and colors go hand in hand and is absolutely SUBJECTIVE.

I find it strange that they thought motion control was "cool" all of a sudden. If they didnt like the art and color thats fine. I think its kinda cool.

Also, I think they may be right about a map... however, if they think that the fireballs arent realistic enough why would they want a map? I didnt know that dragons came with radar now.

Its good to hear that ground combat is fun.

[FordGTGuy]

This game was delayed after it went gold. I'm sure there was something wrong with it to justify the bad review and the late delay.

[Ri0tSquad]

I played it its like a 9/10 in my book.

[sticky doja]

How did you get to play it?

[Ri0tSquad]

Man these people giving it bad reviews are idiots!

[AznSniper]

so at least they say the gameplay is fun.....they just don't like how it looks

[krackchap]

GOOD
They said motion control was cool.
The ground combat was well done.
No mention of frame rate indicating it was stable.
They liked the epic scope of the game.

BAD
They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing
The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough
The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey.
They didn’t like the art style and said the game lacked innovation.

[Loudninja]

It has NOthing to do with that at all.

Its funny how the main complain were the controls for the game, thtas why it got a low score,but now its great?!up/EGM are a joke.This also shows that they have not play any other level,if brown is the only color they seen

[LSDARBY]

True cus ive seen ice/snow level screenshots. So this is just a joke lol

[zoibie]

If you want to set yourself up as a fansite of a console there's no better way to do it than to keep closed mind!

Let’s face it, next to no games actually have innovation so to make Lair the scapegote really says something about EGM!

[FordGTGuy]

the reason they delayed after going gold and after the first few reviews has nothing to do with the reviews? Your kidding me right?

They saved the game by delaying it because it probably would've kept getting low scores because of the flaws in the game and would have destroyed itself. Now they delayed it they can fix it as best as possible and hope that this time it works out better.

[cr33ping_death]

"and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey".

these idiots know that many directors of movies and games do this to give a movie or game a certain feel. WTF did they want? a bright colored game like mario? and i also like how "some one asked" who the f@ck is this someone and why should his opinion matter?

[cr33ping_death]

first double post.

[cuco33]

might LOOK the part but i doubt it'll play the part

something about it never struck my eye. i'll give it a try but that's it. definitely not a day 1 purchase

[omansteveo]

We've already played this game on N64 and Gamecube twice

[Ri0tSquad]

I wont be doing any towel tricks to play/try the damn game.

[Wii60_FTW]

u also won't be playing/enjoying anything else for quite some time =]

[WoodyWood09]

That was one of the most confusing reviews I have heard in a while. I honestly don't care I am still getting this game when it comes out.

[schabeugen04]

they also say the game is basically rogue squadron on ps3 ok fine. rouge squadron was well recieved yet lair suck cause it basically the same game? yet halo 3 is good when it is basically the same game as halo 2? i mean if you're tired of one game than the same should apply to another game is all im saying.

[Odion]

No thats a totally different situation. Having a game thats part of a trilogy feel like the other parts but still adding and getting better, is far different from making a new IP and having the game feel and play like your old one.

Like what if after MGS4 was done they made a new third person game, and it played just like MGS4. (yes i know MGS rules)

[cr33ping_death]

so by your logic....since LAIR plays like ROUGUE SQUADRON it deserves such low scores as should HALO 3 since many a HALO fan has already played what is going to be released this september. that is what you are saying right? hell i never played ROUGUE SQUADRON so why should i care that it plays like that game? please explain

[Odion]

I don't get how your confused by this.

If Gears of War keep the same squad based, tatical skirmishes throughout the entire series, but expands on it as they evolve the Franshise, and then all of a sudden UT4 plays the same way with different skins. UT4 would get hammered for just being a copy of Gears.

Rouge Squadren shouldn't = Lair

[omansteveo]

I think the reason it got low scores is bc t didnt bring anything new to the table albeit pretty but not new maybe thats why they didnt like it (hence the comment that it was a re-skinned rogue squardron)...what do you guys think?

[Staircase]

Meybe i'm just not understanding you, but Gears and UT3 are very, very different games. Gears is a slow paced, tactical, team based, third person shooter, while UT3 is a fast paced, first person shooter, with no tactics involved.

[khellendros1]

My question is, does the bad things they note about the game warrant the 5.5 average score? They liked the story, combat, and control,well they slammed the controls in the review then said they liked it in the podcast. Aren't those the most important elements to a game? The game could very well suck. It's entirely possible, but the reasons they give just don't justify the score. Please, tell me if I'm wrong.

[DrPirate]

Exactly, I agree with this 100%..

Sure, I support the PS3, everyone knows this, and I don't expect Lair to be popping up 10's you know. Even if it sucks, it wouldn't bother me, I didn't like Rogue Squadron or Rogue Leader, if I got this game, it would be to put my 72' 1080p TV and 7.1 surround to the test. But still, to see a game that might be enjoyable to play, might be skipped over because of a review is sad. I really see this game picking up high 7's or low 8's at least.

[tudors]

that's all there is too it.

[Amplifier]

They:

A) Lied/Contradicted themselves about the review
B) Gave it a poor score because they are being system biased(he clearly stated he doesn't have PS3 but gloated about having a X360)
C) Played a "preview" build and reviewed it as an "review" build negatively

But since most of you that disagree with all of us PS3 owners are blind to what is going on in the world around you will never understand

[Keyser]

I guess that why you have to take game reviews with a grain of salt because they used about a grain of intelligence in their review of Lair.
I don't think I've ever heard such terrible reasoning and back peddaling about a game. "I like it but I also hate it"

Dragon fireballs should be more realistic...to what, actual dragons? What zoo is he going to that has actual dragons?

Cannibis and game reviewing are a poor combination.

[The Wood]

is a poor combo. stoked guys love dragons

[The Wood]

wont be listening to egm. Even if your not a sony fanboy and just a fan EGM just seem like anti sony fanboys who just happen to work for a well know magazine

No website, magazine, newspapers etc has ZERO bias

People have bias/preferences/incentives/ob ligations

People run the media

go figure

ill be giving their bs explanation the 'big up ya bum' and will get lair on day 1.

unrealistic dragons lol

[Loudninja]

I would respect them, if they made and honest review, but they did not. They act like we dont know nothign about Lair, there are more than those so call brown levels, they lied.All he did was **** about how its like another game

[lammett]

In the printed review, all three reviewers definitely slammed the controls most of all. They are entitled to their opinions, but at least have the integrity to be consistent as "journalists".

I can understand the reviewer's dislike of the fireballs not looking realistic enough, but complaining about Lair's graphics?!? That is definitely a new one. Controls aside, I don't think any other reviewing publication dissed the game's graphics. I've seen some of the gameplay footage and while the ground combat looked a little bland, the game is breathtaking when the dragon is in flight. Some of the best water effects I've ever seen in a game.

Ultimately, what I can't understand is the totally non-standardized way the EGM reviewers rate a game. If they can knock Lair's graphics, how can they not handicap games like Mario strikers? Is it because they know of the Wii's graphical limitations and conveniently apply a lower standard, thereby putting more stock in gameplay instead? If so, they should cut Lair some slack.

If the motion controls are good, and the only jibe is that fireballs look "off", then that low score seems very unfair indeed.

As both a PS3 and 360 owner, I am likely going to end my EGM subscription this year. The mag is a joke...

[xmod]

I ended my subscription around 1996. I don't know why people pay for video game magazines when a person can get 10x times the content for free. Makes no sense to pay for a videogaming mag.

[Bathyj]

Except for some dumb cons which are just preference (dont like colours, Dragons shooting fireballs aren't "realistic") thats almost a glowing review.

I think they've realised what a poxy review they did and now they're covering their arses abit.

We know it looks good, we know it plays good, even the ground combat sounds good which probably only accounts for 10-20% of the game. Unless a Dragon burnt your village and left you an orphan as a child, and you reall hate them, I dont see any reason not to get this game. Am I the only one who remembers how FUN the rouge squadron games were? This looks about 100 times cooler than Starwars.

[Bathyj]

Plus I still think people are underustimating just how good these controls are going to feel. Watch you Dragon bank and swoop as you roll and dip the controller is going to suck you in like nothing has before.

Thats why Guitar hero is so good. It makes you feel like you're really playing a guitar. Whats it gonna be like when you feel like your controlling a wild animal, that breathes fire no less.

[LosT---SouL]

unrealistic dragon fireballs xD

[Jack Bauer]

wow, those are terrible reasons... but then again it is EGM.

[Yipee Bog]

The ability to interact with a game on this level will be very entertaining. 10-20% of ground fighting if that, considering it is centered on flying dragons.
P.S. I heard rouge squadron was actually good
A bubble Bathyj

[achira]

i cant wait for lair. i am sure the game will be amazing.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

It won't stop PS3 owners from picking this game up. What else do they have to choose from?

<EDIT> : Yes Warhawk looks like a pretty cool game. I'm excited for you as a PS3 owner. Have fun.

Lair still looks like a trashy game to me though. Not talking about graphics. Gameplay.

<EDIT> @ Hachetforce. Lol. You make me giggle.

"Lair still looks like a trashy game to me though. Not talking about graphics. Gameplay."
-Please, since you so obsessed with what I said, tell me O-so-observant-one, where exactly did I say I played the damn game. Good lord you kids must be retarded.

Riding dragons? Sorry but that is just not apealing to me. Add the sixaxis gimmick and it looks worse to me. Lair looks like a sh1tbagged game IMO. Move on.

[MACHone]

Well, there's this little game coming out on the 28th called Warhawk -- heard of it? If you wanna work on your Sixaxis controls, jump behind the driver's seat of a Warhawk and prepare to experience the sheer joy of ripping people out of the sky online. I got to play the Beta, and while the game isn't really anything original or revolutionary, it's freakin' FUN!

[DJ]

but they didn't like the art style so...they gave it a 6???

[xaphanze]

BAD
They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing
The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough
The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey.
They didn’t

ok lets be seroius here...not a single reason given could justify the game getting a 5 or 6.
Bad graphics?WTF!!!

[techie]

Ok here's how it goes.

Anyone here - including 360 fans - can see EGM are being hyper critical. Did they mark down Kameo for "bad graphics" - no, they gave it 7/10. Lair does not have bad graphics - it has some of the most impressive - I may accept the criticism for bad art direction though (ie. colour choice).

Anyway. 1up/EGM are clearly being hypercritical. They have now dropped their charges against the controls - something which Julain said he would talk to them personally about - they must have agreed. But 1up are arrogant, would feel stupid for changing their score - and so being the c*cky folks they are, they begin to criticise every little thing they can. It's immature, and unneeded. It doesn't aid consumers - it confuses them. They need to swallow their pride, and realise being hypercritical on one game and not on the other is extremely inconsistent (I wouldn't mind if they did the same for every other review).

So let's wait for IGN - unless they feel they have been shown the red flag to bring down the gauntlet on Factor 5 as well.

You'd expect at least a 7 or 8 from a reviewer who only dislikes the art style and the way the dragons spit fire balls! lol. Funny. Quite sickening really - 5.5 is Genji or Bullet Witch score - an absolute joke for any gamer to observe such poor journalism.

[TheExecutive]

I agree with you.

I dont think its some conspiracy but I do believe that they heavily favor some consoles, judging solely by review scores. The problem with this is obvious, if they are hypocrits, and unfair about some stuff what stops them from giving too high a score for other games that dont deserve it? So, even if someone doesnt like the PS3 they still have to question the credibility of the source because of favoritism.

[DarkArcani]

It almost makes me want to ask them how they would make a dragon game. Good thing Julian isnt like Jaffe, because EGM would have got a big F-you guys.
The game being too brown comment just annoyed me. As a VFX major, thats how directors convey the feel of the game. Did EGM want Factor 5 to use grey(gears of war)or maybe blue (stranglehold, MGS1) or maybe tan (MGS4)? What color was more eye pleasing for them? Pink?
I just think of teachers that don't like you and your work. If it is good, they have to find something stupid wrong with it to please themselves, but in the end you sit there and scratch your head.
Well I'm scratching my head right now.

[mightydog01]

360 fanboys can't help but knock every ps3 games that come out. lair's not even out yet. they can,t wait to have a go. everyone as diferent tastes some like football games some dont u might not like it but others will so stop knocking games 360 or ps3 just have fun thats what its all about. lair is a action game so it will be different can't wait! and at hd 1080 never been done before tech never stops it moves on. game -on

[SimmoUK]

On the the graphics they say well it's hi-def??/ wtf LAIR has amazinggraphics! That is complete BS look at the IGN preview and the play review, they say the control's are bad but then they contradict thereselves in the podcast by saying there cool actually...

1UP and EGM are part of the same company in the same offices and boy it shows, these guys are so biased...

I'll wait for the other reviews to roll in...

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

This graphics on this game look just as gears, yet because we arent shooting nowadyas they want to give it a bad score not mention its on the ps3.If it aint a shooter its not getting a good score if you guys aint noticed....I think only strikers was the only one to pass that judgement

[PimpHandHappy]

I hope the dragon speaks like braveheart!

[Bathyj]

I'm pretty sure the dragons in Braveheart didnt talk.

[NaAsAr]

the heat seeking missles the dragon fired in panzer orta on xbox was ok but fireballs graphics arent? (in a dr.evil voice "yeaaa, riiiight)and what is the dragon supposed to use for offense aside from the grabbing and clawing? i would like their alternative idea on that one. i am still picking this one up in hopes it exceeds the fun i had with the panzer dragoon series(not including the rpg one)

[Funky Town_TX]

Why does every PS3 games have to be great. Get over it another crappy game. If there is 200 games for the PS3 one can be crappy. Didn't EGM give VF5 GOTM and no one said EGM was biased. If they did not like the game they did not. What was they last great dragon game? Lair is garbage to EGM move on.

[DaTrooF]

EGM don't gotta like the game,but theirs reasons for not liking it must be reasonable.....have you read/heard what they have said...if they say the controls is cool,the ground battle is well done,the game looked epic and stuff like that...why would they give it a 5.5? thats the point many of us ae trying to make.and graphics wise they said it didn't look that good,if you have seen the videos you would know that it looks as good as Gears but at the same time it's bigger and has more things going on.

[Kratos12]

DatRoof

I disagree. The graphics in GEARS are nothing compared to LAIR. As for the retard above you he is a troll. Forget the POS is even here :)

LAIR FTW

[Funky Town_TX]

I read the EGM mag about it. All your hopes for this game gone. The game sucks move on. You guys are a joke. If GFX were all that counts then GTA would have never sold one copy.

[DaTrooF]

that the GFX were the only thing good about it,its the only thing i can really comment on,for now..when i get the game i'll give ya my impressions straight up.

[Mu5afir]

I hate clueless comments, at least take a moment to read and understand the situation before commenting. You look like a tool, when you don't understand what people are arguing over. We don't care if EGM gives a crappy score to a game. What most people here are outraged about is the fact that EGM gave the game a bad score for no GOOD reason.

They retracted their own statements, and made up new ones so they won't have to change the rating. It's pretty evident they won't change the score, because it will look like sloppy work in their behalf. But they can't simply continue to say the controls suck, when most everyone agrees the controls are pretty good.

So, there best new tactic is saying "the dragon fire isn't too realistic."

[Funky Town_TX]

chill a bit. Why does every one have to kiss Sony's a$$.

[pwnaplaya]

Because you're hogging all the space on M$'s.

EGM/1up have got to be the worst reviewers I have ever winessed after all of this. Regardless; of what they believe this gamte is still going to be great.

[UJUSTLOSTONE]

For more reviews and to play it myself

It looks like so much fun, but I must admit I am leary about the sixaxis controls. Trying the Demo for Motorstorm with the Motion sensing on, is absolutely one of the most difficult gaming experiences I've had.

Now in this news, they are taking back what they said about the controls. This reveiw holds no weight at all with me, and Now i am going to need to play if for myself before I trust anymore reviews.

[supnub5]

All Complain about mothaf#ckin motion control, and ground combat, and it they say it was ok, come on, the graphics are so realistic their on the same level with gears of war, and the physics, too.and maps are big.

[Violater]

Sony just release RUMBLE (Touch sense) already.

[Bordel_1900]

EGM just is the suck. Never liked EGM or 1UP, always thought they were biased.

The EGM review never ment too much anyway. Have more repsect for a lot of other sites/mags.

[SIX]

How EGM back peddles. Keep digging your grave EGM.

[Barreldragon00]

"The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey."

So i guess they didn't like the movie 300 either.

"The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough"

But a radar on the dragon would have made perfict sence.

[Mu5afir]

"The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey."

I didn't realize dragons had raiders on them.. seriously game developers and people with common sense, should go and talk the 1up / EGM reviewers, before making a game or doing anything that requires common sense.

[Charlie2688]

I guess they didn't had any real bad points about the game so they had to randomly make some up...for more crazy and retarded they ended up sounding >.>

-They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing-
Yeah I swear I saw R2D2
-The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough-
I guess rockets or maybe x-wing laser would have been fine, sharks maybe or chainsaws would have been better?
-The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and- he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey.-
I hope they said the same about Gears
-They didn’t like the art style and said the game lacked innovation-
ok, this one was just desperate I guess EGM receives Dragon games each month we dont know about and they have a deep knowledge in the fine arts

sorry EGM if you credibility was low with me now you have non left

[DaTrooF]

GOOD
They said motion control was cool. i can't agree with that until i have played the game.

The ground combat was well done. i can't agree with that until i have played the game.

No mention of frame rate indicating it was stable. that may be possible

They liked the epic scope of the game. i like it too.

BAD
They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing. i think the dragons look really cool.

The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough.
WTF??... ok, it looks good to me.

The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey.

about the map,when i play it i'll see how much of an effect it has on gameplay.about the graphics,even on my crappy pc monitor the graphics look good.i liked the colors and no,not all the levels was brown and grey.

They didn’t like the art style and said the game lacked innovation...i like the art style..it lacked innovation??? get of M$ d!ck!!!!

based on wat they have said the game seems flawless,i'll have to double check that when i play it myself.

[sleepbox]

The game sucks. Get over it. All of F5's games were either average or suck. Face it. Ps3's 2007 savior is a POS.

[Figboy]

the "ignore" button.

bye bye.

[DrPirate]

Well said figboy...

PS3 saviour? lol...

[The Wood]

what a tool. Was this guy one of those juveniles that spray painted those ps3's. How you out juvie already??

guess ill never know

[clm001]

"They didn’t like the art style and said the game lacked innovation"

... suppose they are right - there are so many dragon riding games on the market these days - soooo many

[Relientk77]

um even if the dragons shoot fireballs and their not realistic enuf shooting fire balls is still f*king cool in my opinion lol

i dont like the comment for not enuf color... its all brown and grey ...

but i guess i kinda agree with it they should make the flags on the castles and knight horses colorful (or add them if theyre not in the game lol) and armor knights wear colored banners and colorful shields or something so show their countries or w/e ... add some blue, red, green, orange etc in there

if they seriously add colors ^ which they prolly wont it would make the game cooler... but ya ill still buy the game either way MOST LIKELY

[Violater]

PS1 Spyro
PS3 Lair.

Evolution is grand.

[Relientk77]

Spyro 1, Riptos Rage, and Year of the Dragon for PS1

are AMAZING GAMES ... SO F*KING SWEET

[resistance100]

'They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing
The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn’t realistic enough
The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said “its High Def” and he didn’t like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey.
They didn’t like the art style and said the game lacked innovation.'

If those are reasons to give it a bad score, they can go **** themselves, never reading or trusting EGM again.

There is not a valid reason there to give a low score, guess that means to me that its a must buy and theres little wrong with it

[Bolts]

Just release the god damn demo so the public can be the judge.

[DrPirate]

It only took 51 replies for someone to get the correct answer.

Congratulations Fanboi, you win: A bubble.

[harpua]

there is really only one review that matters.....your own.

[SpenserTracy]

I think this was the review that made everyone including 360 fans, want to buy the game. It's probably one of the best games ever made, so obviously the hate it. They are jealous, cause they cant be as successful.

[akira]

and they call themselves review magazine. when they suck sooo much at it. they have lost all their credibility. i will never read their mag ever again...

[Bathyj]

When their review first dropped I said EGM would end up with mud in their faces. They are just in damage control now. Not for Lair. For themselves. They've realize they've hurt their own reputation more than Lairs and they're trying to justify it with these little nitpicking things. The fact they said reskined X-Wing just show how much of their own preconception they've bought into the review with them. I thought the whole point of a dragon was to get away from a metallic craft that couldn't really move or ripple or land on the ground and eat soldiers. Man, I just want this game more now and I'm so glad I went the full hog and got 1080p.

[nasim]

LAIR is the most visually impressive game ever created and contains 20x more poly than GEARS

and it is only possible on the PS3

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...
IGN: Quick Fanboy wars question -- Could Lair be done under its current spec on the Xbox 360? If so, why go with the PlayStation 3 "only" instead of going cross-platform?

Eggebrecht: Lair in its current form couldn't be done on 360. We are using large amounts of Cell's SPUs for all of our geometry, landscape, simulations, animations, even troop AI. When we create a game, we absolutely focus on the platform it is designed around. Would we do one for 360, it would be a different game and a different engine -- most crucially perhaps though: Lair is an entirely different game without the motion control and gesture recognition since it was designed around it.

http://www.gamasutra.com/fe...

Each model, Worch claimed, contained somewhere between 100,000 and 170,000 triangles. Each had a bunch of other special maps and lighting applied, and the main character was built up with "over ten textures". He compared this to an estimated 10,000 for characters in Gears of War and other recent high-res games. The high-res models, meanwhile, that got dithered down to produce the in-game models, ran up around 5,000,000 triangles.

[toughNAME]

gay GM?

GAY G M?

how does he have som nay bubbleS??

[DaTrooF]

is it just me or did sony see this coming?
i remember a while back when,i think phil harrison,said that reviews wont be as reliable this generation....well he said something like that.
i have searched for the article but can't find.can anyone else help me out?
does anybody know what i'm talking about?

[gunnar2906]

please gimme a contact at Microsoft!
I wanna review PS3's games too!
Not for free =)

[nasim]

They destroyed GAMESPOT whose traffic fell by 70%.

They destroyed EGM/1up/EUROGAMER and G4TV.

i am sure they would give u a decent work.

viral marketing can make HALO 3 and MASS EFECT ---worst looking games in history GOTY contenders.

see the gameplay footages of ME...just because the XENOS is less powerful BIOWARE had to shrink the enemies to tiny lilliputs.

The DRAGON WINGS in LAIR alone have more poly than entire scences in MASS EFFECT/HALO 3.

shame on MS and GAYGM

[bootsielon]

Nasim, please tell me where you got that info from. If what you say is accurate, I'll give you bubbles.

[cuco33]

more like fanboy bashing or spinning something said on a forum/blog as if it were the trouth

graphics don't make a game good. gameplay does. in my book halo and mass effect look great, as does lair, but halo series is always fun, mass effect looks fun, lair to me looks repetitive and dumb

to each his own, brand loyal fanboys are the ones in the end who miss out and from the fun you get from playing a great game regardless of the console it is on and regardless of how pretty it looks.

to larry, god i love how heated you trolls get and always fail to read what people say. it's marketing. do a little research EVERY company uses positive and negative forms of marketing as long as they come out on top. sony themselves used it, think of when they said "next gen starts when we say it does" what exactly do you think they meant by that? who were they specifically lashing at? hmmmm geeeezz i can only wonder....

but to be BACK on topic, you just searched/copied and pasted all that fanboy crap and yet failed to comprehend THE #1 message i made out so i'll reiterate it once more and add a few words.

1. graphics dont make a game great. GAMEPLAY does. ever try wiisports? that craptastic graphical dildo motion of a game could have been done last gen but it is the most competitive fun you'll have with friends. guess you won't know cuz you stick solely to 1 console as opposed to being open minded and try all 3. there ARE tons of great titles on the 360 that you refuse to try due to your hatred of the 360. that is just retarded.

2. where in my post did i mention gears of war? where?! so why bring it up? and with that said gears of war was a great game. GREAT game. i had a blast playing it through single and coop with friends. if you haven't tried it, do yourself a favor and try it. then come back and preach if it's crap or not rather than how many more polygons lair has over gears which just refer to my #1 statement and this one is void. gears is PROVEN to be a classic. lair hasn't even hit the store shelves and my personal opinion based solely on ALL the reviews, videos, interviews, etc etc i just don't see how this game could be great. i'll give it a go though since i could be and have been wrong in the past but my expectations aren't high for it. sadly you larry boy are the type of people many gamers despise due to your brand loyalty. see you sir are a fanboy gamer, not a regular or hardcore gamer since a true gamer games on ALL platforms enjoying and respecting quality game titles and giving credit where credit is due. tis sad mommy couldn't buy you a ps3, 360 AND a wii huh?

[Amplifier]

bootsielon,

They have done it since almost the beginning and if you think that they don't do it with the Xbox division you are just amazingly blind.

Do a google.com search on Microsoft's viral marketing and people that used to be in it.

It's as real as you and me.

Amp

[larry007]

nasim already posted his source

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dont forget LAIR has the most polygons found in any game
10x than what you have in GEARS and is also possible on ps3

IGN: Quick Fanboy wars question -- Could Lair be done under its current spec on the Xbox 360? If so, why go with the PlayStation 3 "only" instead of going cross-platform?

Eggebrecht: Lair in its current form couldn't be done on 360. We are using large amounts of Cell's SPUs for all of our geometry, landscape, simulations, animations, even troop AI. When we create a game, we absolutely focus on the platform it is designed around. Would we do one for 360, it would be a different game and a different engine -- most crucially perhaps though: Lair is an entirely different game without the motion control and gesture recognition since it was designed around it.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

Each model, Worch claimed, contained somewhere between 100,000 and 170,000 triangles. Each had a bunch of other special maps and lighting applied, and the main character was built up with "over ten textures". He compared this to an estimated 10,000 for characters in Gears of War and other recent high-res games. The high-res models, meanwhile, that got dithered down to produce the in-game models, ran up around 5,000,000 triangles.

http://www.gamasutra.com/fe...

************DONT COMPARE your trash GEARS with LAIR--- a graphical marvel

***************************** ******************************* ******

CONCLUSION:_ LAIR has 20x more poly than GEARS

[ACE]

the game was over hyped this is fact , devs would say gr8 things about there games wouldnt they? . sad sony fanatics go with it , its so so funny , keep us laughing fanatics .

p.s . i'm gona get attacked now lol . see ya all in another few weeks lol laaaattterrrr .

[killer_trap]

Dr.pirate..if i was going to get this game the main reason would be the graphics. i like to buy one game in each gen just to stare at it. but as i recall EGM gave the visuals a 9 in the review and now they say it's only high def....or was it a 6 i really don't remember.
oh well lets wait for a demo and the rest of the reviews shall we.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

They gave the review because they didn't like the game. Wow. Buy it and judge it for yourself. They were just reviewing the game. You know what, I trust their review.

The sixaxis gimmick ruined a potentially great game IMO.

[cuco33]

game reviews are opinions. it basically is like a car show where the whiners complain on why their icy hot stunnaz fast n furiously modded out civics didn't take 1st place. a judge is like a game reviewer giving points and credit to where they feel it should go. EGM just so happened to not like the game and i applaud them not for giving a low score but for being honest on thinking the game isn't something they care for. and now they are stuck between a rock and a hard place realizing that they might have to be pro everything and avoid any bashing. in the future we'll see reviews of all games with 9s and 10s wether they deserve them or if they are horrendous

you know what, if they think the game sucked, let them think that. there are other reviews that says it's great. the more fanboy hatred towards honest reviews based on opinion occurs the more a review won't mean diddly squat as it'll obviously be a biased review. get the game yourself and judge it yourself. who cares what EGM, PLAY, etc think of it. then chime back and say if it is great or if EGM was right.

[ReBurn]

Who cares what the reviewers think. I haven't seen anything with Lair that is fundamentally flawed, yet. While the game doesn't appear to be my cup of tea, I bet it is still going to be a really good game.

If you're in doubt, rent first.

[bootsielon]

Maybe Microsoft bribes magazines to review exclusive Xbox games better than they are, while at the same time crap on PS3 exclusives? Maybe, just maybe...

And yes, I agree that reviews are subjective now. I think magazines like EGM hold a lot more weight than they should.

[PimpHandHappy]

this is like the beta of Halo and how ppl say it didnt look all that nextgen! Shut the farge up ppl! Do urselfs a huge favor and play the game and then see what u think or atleast wait for the game to come out and see what ppl who have played it say!

This is like a stupid debate on screen shots! Its a waste of time!

From what i read i think EGM or who ever had that bad review seemed to back step on the pionts they made on why the game was crap! I can get behind shades of gray and all that but i need to play the game myself to see whats up! Didnt they say the controls where bad also but in this article that we are all posting about he said the controls where solid!

If xbox fanboys want to jump on those nuts they are more then welcome 2 because this is what we all know as free speach!

Just dont let some silly kid make u mad enough to confront them with anger! Just sit back and realize PS3 ppl are better then that!

[PimpHandHappy]

gameplay means more the graphics and if u think im wrong then u are truley fooled by bright colors!

[ParaDise_LosT]

Release a damn Demo...for US to judge...
and if they DON'T release a Demo...
Then I'll be even more skeptical about this game...
pity ...Lair was the game that made me
envy PS3 owners too....

que sera sera~......

[MANTIIS]

I get EGM because it was the best choice with my Gamecrazy MVP card. Though, Gamestop sux, thier magazine, Game Informer, is superior in every way. The staff at EGM, I have noticed, are predominantly 360 Fanboys, and I have noticed that thier mag and counterpart website, 1up, is ridden with bias. I rarely take heed to anything say say until I can verify it with more credible sources. As for thier reviews, they are a joke. I have played numerous games that they scored low- that have turned out to be a blast. Lair has not even been released yet, and I believe it still has another month's worth of production- so for these morons to review an unfinished product is proposterous. I wonder what thier true intentions were, it is not hard for me to guess. F* EGM or what they say. If you want real reviews read Gamespot (though largely Xbots, they are at least objective<some of them>) or IGN. And wait every month for Game Informer. Daily Radar/Next Generation why did you have to go away?

[DrPirate]

Demo needed confirmed.

[Danega_Sciphor]

the graphics and art faction is awesome but
the dragon doesnt shoot realisticly???LMA F*CKING O, XD

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

LAIR shall be mine! (`<~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~EGM X0

[ParaDise_LosT]

They wern't complaining about the artsytle, but the color pallet they used...
[Brown and Grey]
and I agree with them...Thats is the reason why I didn't enjoy Gears of War as well as I should have....
Colorless games may look good (from a graphical stand point )
but beauty isn't found in barren brown mountains and empty grey
skies......

[Barreldragon00]

In the game the world is dying their are volcanos every where the sky is filled with soot from volcanos and pollution. the land is being turned in to desert and rock, trees and plants are dyeing (why the mountains are bare). To help you get in to the mood its not a bright and happy game its dark and bleak. as i said before kind of like 300 it was brown and gray because of the art style.

[hikikimori]

This makes NO sense. I'm going to start a flame war here, but.....

Do you think MS has pulled some dirty $hit here to defame this game in the media? Now before you you call me a troll or what ever childish ass
words you use, I don't think this entirely, but something is wrong here.
It seems like they are going out of their way to give Lair A $hit review.
And I still point to Gamespot's review of DEF JAM ICON (sh!ttest fighter I have ever seen ever) that got a higher score than VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 (best 3d fighter ever made). No one fully explained that BS either?
IS there some shenanigans going on? Or just fanboy reviewers who like FPS and sports games and loud consoles? (XBOX FANS)

[Danega_Sciphor]

but games like halo dont put color to a good name, if it was gritty that would be awesome, games like gears of do need color because its grey EVERYWHERE,

it just depends on the game, but i like that color palette
AY, Nigg* above, def jam icon doesnt suck, it just not as fast as it should be (7.8)

[zonetrooper5]

Tell me why would MS waste money on a magazine like EGM, like really?

I know that Sony created a reviewer who praised all the movies that Sony made which many other reviewers said they were alright or pretty good etc.

Anyways, back on topic, if the gameplay of this game is awesome then buy the god damn game, jeez, you people whine about graphics all the time. Nasim, really, just go away from N4G as you say alot of crap. Lair could be done on the 360, PC and wii etc, the devs will praise their own games to hell and back, Halo can be done on the PS3, so can mass effect, the xenon and cell is the same power. The PS3 and 360 are the same in terms of power, sure the PS3 will be better at some other stuff while the 360 will be better at other stuff that the PS3 isn't.

[aiphanes]

This is just a review of the game that was not on final code...and there are other reviews that give it 9.0. We got one magazine that hates lair..because microsoft paid them off. Microsoft is desperate and they will try anything. This is war and when you are getting hit from all sides, you gots to fight dirty and hard. In the end microsoft knows they will not win this war...they are just going to keep fighting on till the end....you got 33 percent failure rate, you got halo 3 look like halo 2.5...you got GTA4 delayed till sometime in 2008...and you got MGS4 and Killzone 2 PS3 exclusives...and you got nothing good comming out for the Xbox 360 next year...except for maybe GTA4...but that is not exclusive.

Microsoft is getting kind of scared with Sony getting the following before years end. And all will rate 9.0 or higher..
Lair, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Uncharted Drake, Socom Confrontation, Haze, Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, Unreal Tournament 3, Gran Turismo 5: Prologue, and Home.

Sure Halo 3 and bioshock, and mass effect will do good...but that is all they got that is is good and exclusive comming out by end of year...

[nasim]

why did MS spend 3.2 billion dollars in viral marketing.

to whom did they pay money.

we know about GS and G4tv and it is very likely that they did that to 1up and its affiliates too

dont forget LAIR has the most polygons found in any game
10x than what you have in GEARS and is also possible on ps3

IGN: Quick Fanboy wars question -- Could Lair be done under its current spec on the Xbox 360? If so, why go with the PlayStation 3 "only" instead of going cross-platform?

Eggebrecht: Lair in its current form couldn't be done on 360. We are using large amounts of Cell's SPUs for all of our geometry, landscape, simulations, animations, even troop AI. When we create a game, we absolutely focus on the platform it is designed around. Would we do one for 360, it would be a different game and a different engine -- most crucially perhaps though: Lair is an entirely different game without the motion control and gesture recognition since it was designed around it.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

Each model, Worch claimed, contained somewhere between 100,000 and 170,000 triangles. Each had a bunch of other special maps and lighting applied, and the main character was built up with "over ten textures". He compared this to an estimated 10,000 for characters in Gears of War and other recent high-res games. The high-res models, meanwhile, that got dithered down to produce the in-game models, ran up around 5,000,000 triangles.

http://www.gamasutra.com/fe...

************DONT COMPARE your trash GEARS with LAIR--- a graphical marvel

[FirstknighT]

Lair is just not the AAA title you kids thought it was going to be. The few 9s it recieved were fake. The ground gameplay looks HORRIBLE. Another ps3 game that looks gray.

"because microsoft paid them off" "EGM hates sony" "EGM is full of xbot fanboys"

You sony kids always complaining and whining!

[bootsielon]

Until Dan Hsu reviewed Gears of War. It's not so much the score he gave, but the dumb explanation "This game is flawed but man I don't care, I enjoyed it so I'll give it a 10". That's when suspicion kicked in. Now that EGM is retracting their statement on how "SIXAXIS controls suck", and now they don't, but they aren't retracting the grade they gave...

[Ugly American]

WHAT KIND OF FLAWS does Gears have is the question you need to be asking yourself. The textures pop in at the beginning of a level. Whoopdedoo. The game itself... i.e. THE GAMEPLAY is a blast. And that is kinda' what games are all about. The COOP is amazing.

If gameplay is flawed, then you are going to have a crappy experience... for example, take Lair.

[DrPirate]

Well Ugly American, he wasn't saying the game was flawed, he said EGM found flaws in the game and turned a blind eye to them.

I.E. Subjective score = EGM is not a source of objective reviews, they are mere opinions with a number attached.

[Ugly American]

MrPirate...errr, excuse me, DrPirate, you didn't go to Dr. Pirating school for 6 years for nothing...
When I read reviews, I interpret the score and/or review as the OVERALL GAMING EXPERIENCE. If it is a 6, I will probably bang my head against the controller at some point. 9 or higher, I know that it will be a mind-blowing good time. That system has worked pretty well so far, and Gears of War IS a mind-blowing good time, and I still think the review was right on. What are reviews? Nothing but opinions on how a game played and felt.

I give up. EGM is biased because they gave a great game a great score and a game none of us has played a crappy score. You win.

[larry007]

havent you seen GAYGM GEARS review.

GEARS being a trash game got 10 just because the editors loved it!!!!!

is thta the way to review a game.

In september LAIR,HS and WARHAWK would be kicking HALo3 's asses

[Relientk77]

wtf are u on crack?

The few 9s it recieved were fake. ROFL LMFAO ... u loser just go away u have no intelligence and should not even be speaking in the first place

if the 9s Lair received were fake..... then let me guess the 10/10 and good reviews for Heavenly Sword were fake too according to ur logic?

Y dont u do urself a favor and buy a PS3 and stop crying about ur faulty 360 which will break down if it hasnt already

:)

[FirstknighT]

Actually they were...I cant remember the site but the reviewer pretty much said "this game is cool but has to many problems".....Factor 5 sh*tting in their pants said "Oh dont worry, we promise to fix those problems"....the reviewer than said "oh okay, well I guess its a cool game...I give it a 9"

[3sexty rulzzz]

your options are limited. u trolls are crying over one game like its the end of the world. even if the game is trash you trolls are going to give it exceptional scores to protect ps3 and its sh!tty image.

[FirstknighT]

Just because the game is a "sony exclusive" than no matter how bad it is...they will always be screaming "AAA Title" Release a game called Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and add those 2 words "sony exclusive" and the sony fanboys will be screaming "WOW GAME OF THE YEAR"

[fopums]

wait for IGN to review it, then judge

[Ugly American]

I did not realize there were so many different kind of fanboys on this site.

The review in the magazine explains WHY they gave Lair a crappy score. In the magazine, it even gave the developers a chance to defend themselves. And then the game gets delayed. Why don't people put two and two together? It looked nice, but wasn't playing like any of YOU were expecting. None of you have played the game, so stop defending a game you have NEVER played.

And as far as a magazine being biased, I clearly remember that Blue Dragon, an Xbox 360 exclusive, got slammed in the EXACT same magazine. The game that has already been out in Japan, got great reviews there, was also in the 6 and below category. That was supposed to be the be-all-end-all RPG for the 360. So if the magazine is so biased, why slam a lynchpin title for Microsoft? Somebody, please explain that to me.

There are obviously not enough games for the PS3, because the fanboys are on here defending a game they have never played from reviewers who have their hands on it. Fanboys, pack sand.

[hikikimori]

............!!!

[Danega_Sciphor]

again you are an idiot, you try to sound smart but you dont, why?? no facts. With a 35% failure 360 does suck (with 100 other reasons), i posted a comment that PROVES PS3 is superior, you sit there and right "ifey the come out with killa tamatoes" blah blah blah, no facts shut up.

Dont be mad because you know Warhawk let alone LAIR is going to kick GAylo 2.5's ass, its ok, just get a ps3, its less than a 360, FACT

GO to the story of the BS: PS3 cant handle SC AI, there you will find the truth

[FirstknighT]

Xbox 360 has 63 games ranked 80 and higher
ps3 has 12 games ranked 80 and higher and 8 of those games are better on the 360.

Debate that b*tch! :)

[hikikimori]

Explain this to me fanboy....why di DEF JAM ICON on the 360 get a higher score than VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 on the ps3?
Please explain to me how one of the sh!ttest fighting games ever could score over one of the best? On what planet does DJ Icon appeal to anyone other than dumb white kids with their pants hanging off their asses, trying to act black?
Debate that.

[The Wood]

pull up your pants 1st knight aka captain green with envy.

63 games yada yada yada. LOL. get a life. stop spewing the same ol nonsense. Your crap makes me wanna buy more ps3 games. Im like what ever you hate on, im gunna buy. Thats my new rule of thumb *sits feeling smug*

1st knight hates...

LAIR

HEAVENLY SWORD

WARHAWK

FF

DRAKES FORTUNE

METAL GEAR

UT3 (ps3 version)

HAZE (ps3 version)

GT5

300 (poo-ray version)

Damn 1st knights gunna make me empty my effin wallet.

*curses new rule of thumb as i remember i have real friends whos birthdays are coming up and a real girfriend who does what most of them are good at.*

[atomdooze]

well the game sucks now what pos3 owners?

[Monty_The_Great]

by the sony fanboys. EGM writes a review about a game that they thought sucked, and they are all of the sudden biased towards the 360 and against the PS3. 1up and Gamespot are really the only 2 sites that I go to for arguablly the most unbiased reviews that there are. EGM puts out a magazine that most gamers read, hardcore or casuals, so they have to stay unbiased otherwise people would stop reading there magazine. I also know for a fact that alot of you on here like the 1up show and watch it weekly, as I do. So just stop with the bashing of 1up, maybe, and this is a big maybe, the game just isn't good.

[Genki]

I just think it's foolish of them to backtrack on their statements and actually LOOK for reasons for the game to be bad. I couldn't give a rat's hide about a review or reviewer, they're all just opinions to me, but as a professional with as much influence over a particular community as these folks, a bit of discretion and objectivity should always be exercised when reviewing something.

Of course, in a review, subjectivity ultimately reigns supreme, but again, you should try to convey your message to relate to as many people as you can, and sound sensible at that.

With this in mind, it's totally cool that they didn't like the game, that's just life. Hell, they could've hated it, no big deal. Their fault was not simply saying

"Hey, what we have here is a well made production that simply doesn't do it for us because we just didn't like the style of play. It controls well, the visuals are stunning, and it's a great narrative, but we just didn't find it very fun. We suggest that if you're into this style of play, you give it a try and you may like it, but it didn't tickle our fancy."

Nothing over-complicated, no fishing for why it didn't deliver, just a simple, honest subjective answer with a DISCLAIMER.

As gamers, I think we can all relate to playing a well done game that we simply couldn't get into. Hell, there are examples of that all throughout the entertainment industry, and life in general for that matter. Anyone ever heard of the Lord of the Rings trilogy of movies? Well, this is one man that absolutely hates them all, but will I be a fool and say that they were half-hearted productions? Nope. Simply didn't like them because for me, they didn't fit the bill.

It's obvious that EGM/1up just didn't like the game, and hey that's cool, we're only human. They simply should have stated exactly that instead of trying to grasp at any of the COMMON reasons why some folks don't enjoy games today, when ultimately it's more a matter of FUN FACTOR than controls, graphics, story, or whatever.

EDIT: For the record, I don't think this review or their recent statements make them biased or any sort of cooky conspiracy. I honestly think they were a bit dumbfounded with a game that has the scope and production quality of Lair when they found it not to their liking. They seem to have felt that simply being honest and saying "I just didn't like it" would sound inadequate I suppose, when it probably would have gotten less backlash than this disaster.

[Monty_The_Great]

1up does a very good job of just reviewing the game and keeping there personal taste for games out. I have heard them say numerous times in the 1up show that they don't particularly like that kind of game but for someone who does, then its great. While it is there opinion, personally I feel they do a superb job reviewing games, and stay very unbiased in there reviews. For the most part they have been correct on there reviews, why should this one be different?

[Genki]

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[Genki]

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[Genki]

They should have just stuck with that and it would have been fine. No need at all to change their statements, no need to backtrack, no need to grasp at straws, it's simple as that.

Are you trying to defend double-sided journalism, or what? Is that ok in your eyes? Like I said, I couldn't care less about a review, it really doesn't bother me personally. My OPINION is that as professionals, they could have handled this a bit differently.

I wouldn't care if they didn't like the game because there wasn't enough pink elephant in it.

"personally I feel they do a superb job reviewing games"

This is where we disagree on a subjective level, as I personally do think 1up's reviews are crap. What I find is that they don't go deep enough into what makes up the game, and either spend too much time praising or nit-picking the games themselves. Fine for someone who will blindly believe any review from anybody(this comment is NOT DIRECTED towards you, btw), but as someone who doesn't care for scores, I read reviews for their descriptions of as many aspects of the game as possible, which is why I enjoy Eurogamer and IGN reviews, for that matter.

"For the most part they have been correct on there reviews"

Oh, is that right? Find me an example of how a subjective review can be correct, particularly this one with the fluctuation in the stories.

I still don't see how your response says I'm wrong. I never said that they DON'T do this sort of things with other reviews. I figured my long winded post was very obviously about the Lair review. Somehow, I guess not.

[COCK]

EGM SAHOULD HAD ALSO MENTION DAT ALL OFF DEM WER MALESTED BY DER FATHERS ASS CHILDS

[7ero H3LL]

even I stopped reading reviews because sometimes they can make you stray away from what otherwise might have been "your" idea of perfect. Some games that I loved had gotten poor reviews (parasite eve was such a good game "to me") and I've lived on quite happy just going against the norm. Isn't that what diversity is all about? Different interests for different people. Different tastes and prejudices.

[7ero H3LL]

to play a REAL game, load up Bioshock on 360 and SEE what power can be wielded when developers use UE3 technology, which to me heralds the coming of the Age of Fairness, where games can be interdeveloped between BOTH 360 and ps3

[GRAMPAGAMER]

most of their reviews rely on which side of the bed they wake up on, and their decidely "femanistic perspective:

if you like it, buy it, and be done with it.

the reviewers at EGM are so jaded, they probably spread humus on their scrambled eggs.

[7ero H3LL]

and load up MassEffect when it comes out, and be prepared to be blown away...it's gonna be the sleeper hit. I CAN'T WAIT AS IT IS!

[Monty_The_Great]

I have spent some time trying to think of a response to what you wrote, and the best I can come up with is, if that is what you think then that is what you think. You make very valid points, and your opinion doesn't seem very biased as much as being based on personal opinion as a gamer and not a fanboy. so I won't try to convince you otherwise or anyhting else. Very well "educated", I guess, response.

[Genki]

So we agree to disagree, I'm cool with that, bubbles for you.

[Monty_The_Great]

I don't know if you know who OnA are, but"agreeing to disagree" that is just great. I'm sorry if you don't know who Opie and Anthony are, because if you don't, you won't have any idea what I am talking about. Anyways, I am just glad to see that you have what seems to be a non biased opinion, and more of an opinion of a gamer, and I have to respect that, because seriously I don't know how many people I ignore on this site.

[Danega_Sciphor]

First off gaming sites favor MS because they obviously dont know the difference between graphix and haze. PS3 ports look better (OMG shocker) no N*gga it aint why? What would the 360 ports look like without the haze effect....HMMMMMM>>>& gt; firstknight, and all your friends, go ahead and say something stupid. THE ANSWER IS SH*T. The graphix on PS3 are far superior and real. I think xbots trip on haze in 360 see they see a dillusional world hhmmmmm....
ALSO...360 doesnt have 10million owned, 10 million were bought, I have 110% accurate analyzation that 360 is owned by 7.3million people (ahahahha failure rate 35 percent), wii is in the lead, and PS3 is going to pwn both of them either next year or this holiday (most likely this holiday). ANOTHER thing, 360 is a ripoff, PC ports go exactly at the same time as 360 wtf is the point, ooohhhhh your a retard. I HAVE NOW PWNED YOU AND ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL, LIVE IN YOUR DELLUSIONAL WORLD OF BS, BURNEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!! XD

YOU HAVE NO COME BACK TO PHASE ME OR THE ARMY OF SONY, EVERY SINGLE STUPID POST OF XBOTS HAS BEEN SUCKED UP OF LIFE AT ALL, CALL WHATEVER BUT KNOW YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING THAT WILL PROVE ME WRONG, END OF STORY I HAVE WON AS ALWAYS ROCK ON PS3 AND KEEP DESTROYING 360, PL3Y B3YOND, DEBATE THAT, OOOOHH THATS RIGHT YOU CANT BURNED, XD

[Monty_The_Great]

what it is like to be such a fanboy that you can't see anything else than what they show you. I understand you want people to remember you because obviously you have a complex issue because you write such ridiculus things in your replies. Why is it that the sony fanboys are the worst. I dont feel I need to represent the 360, becuae it does a good enough job for itself. Sony fanboys obviously feel they have to defend the PS3 because they obviously think it is inferior.

[pwnaplaya]

You described Ironman's comment as being idiotic and fanboyish yet you did not have a reasonable and disproving comment to what he stated. Why is that? Surely for someone with a superior console you can disprove these blasphemous statements?

[s8anicslayer]

i thought gameplay was all that mattered when reviewing a game, no complaints about graphics. they said that the dragon shootong fireballs was not realistic, their credibility is shot as far as im concerned! i used to subscribe to egm and was going torenew my subscription for two years, now i don't think so. and i'm sure i'm not the only one.

[Yosking]

I can't trust game reviews from them anymore. For them to say the control was confusing and then say it was cool? total biased reviewers BSing from the start.
It would put them in their place to see this game get a 9 out of 10 this fall. Keep it up lair developers/sony.

ROCK ON PS3

[Adamalicious]

I was just flying my dragon this afternoon and he, as usual, shot fireballs all over the place. I really can't take him to the dog park anymore. EGM writers clearly don't know their dragon facts.

[Dragonopolis]

There does seem to be some contradictions in their review but thinking further......

I wonder if EGM is sort of helping Lair People out. Lair had some pretty high expectations to live up two. EGM never really put emphasis on the build they review but I pretty much think it was the demo build they reviewed. Probably will rereview it after its release and chock it up as improvements made by the Factor Five but I noticed some of the negatives are so generic (like the dragons shooting fireball thing) that they could keep it in their next review. This would keep the score down so that it doesn't make this review look pokey but would give Lair satisfactory scores between 8 and 9.

Basically trying to butter us all up.

Just a theory.