A short while ago, we posted an article discussing PlayStation Plus and Sony’s room for improvement. Although we saw potential in this new service, slim pickings didn’t seem to justify the subscription costs. Well, after logging on this morning, we’re proud to say that the publisher’s clearly on the right track to delivering a product the community will get behind and love.
Chris Buffa (RunDLC)
This is a very simple list to complete. There are no collectibles. Most of everything here is story related with a couple miscellaneous Trophies thrown in. Nothing here can be missed as there is a really helpful rewind feature as well as mission select.
I feel like this comments section helps distinguish the PS ‘old’ fans from the ‘new.’
SNES was my first console, Christmas morning heaven.
I’ve never played SF but I can understand the delight for trophy support 20 years after.
A new battleground is heating up in the modern era: backwards compatibility. Sony and Microsoft have different angles, but which is better?
These are different companies with different eco systems. They will pick the approach that best suits them and the games in their catalog which are also vastly different.
Nothing will ever be as good as the phat PS3 model. Since sites like to compare things all the time, compare the older systems to the newer systems when it comes to BC. I'm sure you'll find the newer systems lacking.
Had to get those cost down to make it cheaper. Since people weren't too into BC back then, that was the first to go. Shame indeed.
3 gens of playstation games, and you could use your PS1 and PS2 disk. No limited emulation. The PS3 was ahead of it's time. The way people LOVE BC today, the PS3 would have killed in 2022.
@Silly It wasn’t that people weren’t into back compat, it’s that they weren’t into $599 consoles that arrived a year later than and ran a lot of games worse than the cheaper competitor console.
Price is always #1.
The Phat models, especially the original were prone to overheating, no way at this time you could get one where you could use it for PS2 AND heavy PS3 gaming(which would cause it to malfunction at some point).. It's just a novelty now. So, why... ? Only collection/hobby, and definitely not practicality.
@Eidolon I've actually got an original PS2 but I don't have a crt to play it on. Upscaling to a 4k tv doesn't look great and I've tried component cables and such but nothing has really worked for me.
I would happily pay for a ossc or a framemister but apparently those are not that great for PS2.
I basically want the fat PS3 purely for PS2 BC on HD TVs
Component cables worked great for me, I do have one of the slim ps2 models, though. You can grab a cheap crt but shipping will be expensive and their brightness degrades. Nothing will beat playing PS2 on a CRT. Even upscaled PC emulation just exposes the age. Wish some technology like CRT could co exist with LCD and OLED, but for retro gaming.. and shit.. maybe could make older more recent gen games look decent again.
Modern gaming journalism. Creates division so that they have something to talk about in the time between new games.
PS2 BC wasn't finicky. It played nearly every game in PS1's catalog. The list was almost negligible. PS3 almost played all the games from PS1 and PS2 until the removal of full BC. But Sony showed you can sell over 100 million PS4 consoles WITHOUT it if you provide a smattering of new games. Microsoft showed you can't sell 100 million consoles WITH it if you don't provide enough new games for a new console.
Xbox is said to lead the way but if we were to count the total amount of BC games for each console, it's near the same amount. Microsoft doesn't play all its previous games as Sony doesn't. Just offering different selections.
New games for new consoles still matter and should always be the priority. BC is fine but should be secondary to providing new games. There isn't any new battleground. If a strategy is to look to the past for games already played or purchased for new consoles, you're looking in the wrong direction. It would be the same with subscriptions. You don't watch Netflix to watch old shows you already watched even if they were good. You look to watch NEW shows you haven't watched.
I know some love trophy or achievement hunting. But that's not enough for me. Only if the games looked better, moves better and played with better controls. Going back to some these games with bad camera angles and tank controls to get a trophy doesn't sound fun to me. But that's just me. Some might. But I hope it's because a game was fun.
"You don't watch Netflix to watch old shows you already watched even if they were good. You look to watch NEW shows you haven't watched."
What a horrible take. There are shows on Netflix that are old that I never watched that are still very good. The 4400 and Peaky Blinders are just a couple that I recently discovered on Netflix. There's a reason old movies are reformated and put on new media. Because there's always a generation that wants to watch something that could be considered timeless.
The same can be said with many games that people never played in the past that they have always been told were good. A new console should be able to not only play new games but also have the ability to play classics.
Also...Absolutely no one is saying that new games don't matter or that BC is necessary to win the console war. I feel this over exaggerated narrative keeps being brought up because of how long certain people downplayed gamers wanting a way to play their old games and Sony not providing a means to do it, even when they had emulators available.
Sony even went as far as releasing their own study saying that less than 3% (or something) hardly used BC. And Jim Ryan even laughed at older games saying asking why would anyone play them. But as usual with companies that don't have the same features as the competition they go into PR cover mode until they're up to speed. As you can see BC is now the talk of the town again.
Sony is using past games to bolster their library for their higher tier sub service. And it looks like they're adding a few additions to some of them like trophy support and multiplayer. This is a good thing. If there's any criticism to be made it's the fact that Sony is pushing old games to get people to subscribe to it's highest tier.
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I would love to replay older games with trophies. I would replay the shit out of the tedious and beloved Digimon World to get the platinum
Digimon World is awesome. There was a newer game for the Vita if you haven't tried that yet
Yes me too . I will buy them again even though I own a shitload of them .
Too many, too poor 😳. Hopefully Premium has a good collection to start off with. Wish we could emulate from disc, I have a few and a friend with 100s, would be so nostalgic to borrow a retro game again.
PS Now had already added trophies to these older games, so it's nice to see them continue to do this with their patent.
Which classics? Could you be thinking of the PS2 games(Arc the Lad, Dark Cloud, Ape Escape 2)? Those were not regular classics, they had to be altered.
I think you're getting what I meant confused. I'm not talking about the PS Classic like on PS3 when they were in bubbles on the XMB. I'm saying that the PS2 games on PSNow allowed trophies, 1080p, etc... through emulation, so it makes sense that more games will be launching with trophy support as the patent back in 2015 stated that was the goal.
Native PS1 / PS2 support would be an awful idea, because resolutions and framerates will be horrible, especially on 4KTVs in regards to resolution. Emulation already has PS2 games running at up to 1080p and double-buffered to emulate 60fps which is a huge leap for all of those games. Trophies is just the cherry on top. At least that's how they were on PSNow, so here's hoping that's how all of the PS1, PS2, and PSP games work on PS+ Premium, along with a better 3x - 4x resolution bump per axis, instead of the 2x.
You literally posted exactly what I was talking about in your comment below lol
Oh man, this is what I was hoping for, this could be a thing.
https://patentscope.wipo.in...
Yep i really hope this is the case for all ps1 and ps2, having trophies would make replaying then just that little bit more enjoyable.
So happy to hear!.
Haha, I was just thinking this and than I see your comment!
Right there with you!
U can play any PS1 game u have on your PSN account. I am Shakeing thinking of playing Parasite Eve with trophies.🙂🙂
Love Syphon Filter so this will do me nicely, hope we get a new one built for PS5.
This is pretty neat, I wonder how 'involved' the trophies are, e.g. are they just 'finish level' or does it actually have knowledge of the gameplay and can do things like 'Kill X enemies', 'Finish level X only using the tazer" etc.
Also related... I hope when they put this on the store it sells a bucketload and we get a remake bundle and sequel.
Not likely. A lot of these early 3D era games have aged like milk. MGS1 is my favourite game but it controls like absolute ass by today's standards. Jim Ryan's comment from a few years ago where he was criticised for saying nobody* wants to play these old games will be proven true in most cases.
I don't see the Fortnite crowd caring about any PS1 game.
*outside of a small niche
I hope MGS1 will have trophies as well when that eventually gets emulated.
I don't have many platinums but they're usually games I love (that also don't have annoying lists, haha). MGS1 wasn't the first game I played but it was the first game I bought when I got my second-hand PS1.
I'm pretty sure the reason I picked MGS is because I watched my cousins play Syphon Filter. lol. I'd like to finally give Syphon Filter a go.
I was kinda surprised MGS wasn't in there, it's the first game I think of when I hear "PS1". On the other hand, it's probably down to Konami not Sony. They've also been pulling the HD titles etc from digital storefronts.
As they not long ago removed all Metal Gear games from PSNow, I don't see any the chances of MGS on this service any time soon.
I want an option to disable trophies and save protection, and offer cheats, I don’t want to use easy mode, I want to play on hard not die and keep pulling the trigger and throwing grenades, I want to feel the pleasure of leveling up after every fight; I want to buy everything in stores...
In the not so exact words of Gordon Gekko:
"The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that cheating—for lack of a better word—is good. Cheating is right. Cheating works. Cheating clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of fun"
you can disable trophy notifications. So other than that you don't have to even look at/sync your trophies.
I don't even care about trophies but I don't mind the pop ups, and every now and then I look at them.