GTAIV Delay : More Conspiracy theories - Sony bribed Rockstar, Rockstar can't fit the game onto a DVD and more

Theory 4. Sony bribed Rockstar to delay GTA IV. Sony made a recent deal with Rockstar. As a result, a new mystery franchise was 'unveiled'. However, the nature of the deal and the agreed sum remain a closely guarded secret. Now, also consider that Microsoft has the upper hand when it comes to GTA IV, thanks to the aforementioned DLC exclusive. Anyone looking to buy a new console in order to play GTA IV has therefore decidedly little incentive to choose a PS3 over an Xbox 360 (from a purely gaming perspective).

Also, the last thing that Sony needs is an even bigger surge in sales of the Xbox 360 this Xmas. Therefore, although pushing both the Xbox 360 and PS3 version sales into 2008 harms both console manufacturers, the damage it does to Microsoft is a little bit higher. This would also give time to quash the idea that the 360 version would be hitting shelves a couple of weeks ahead of the PS3 version.

[ben hates you]

thats true, someones playing a little dirty

[tplarkin7]

It hurts Sony more. Why? Because there are now zero reasons to buy a PS3 this holiday. There are zero killer apps for the PS3 and about 3 killer apps for 360. (Halo 3, Mass Effect, and the 3 JRPGs if you count them as 1 since JRPGs do sell systems.)

[Premonition]

For me there are only 2 Big titles that really stand out for the 360, #1 on that list is Halo 3 and the 2nd is Bioshock, your third game has been there done that really, with Knights of the old republican. Now as for PS3, I think your forgot, UT3, HAZE, SOCOM, Uncharted Drakes, Ratchet and clank, Heavenly Sword, and Maybe LAIR, Warhawk is really for the Holidays since it comes out this month unless its pushed into Oct since nothing is really there since GTA4 is gone.

EDIT: 1.2, ok then so lets put it this way then, since im sure you werent really big on PS2 last gen. Out of all the 3 ya just 3 you named Halo 3 will be the system seller no doubt, that and because its a well known game, as for the other 2, I dont think they will move as much units as you think, just because you frown apon what great games PS3 has this year in its early life cycle. Socom has a huge fanbase its not even funny, and this is what might get the PS2 fanbase to move over to the PS3 especially if sony brings out the rumored 399 SKU. Ratchet has been around a while as well, and naughty dog has been a big dev team since way back, as for Heavenly Sword and LAIR they probably will sell less since they are practically new, and warhawk is an old school game since PS1, so that has alot of fans as well.

EDIT: 1.4, Yes I think Mass Effect is good, but like I said its a new type of game, not really but its a new type of story so people dont really know much about, and I dont think its going to move units or get pre orders like Halo 3, so like ive stated many times out of the 3 titles the guy chose I think Halo 3 will be the biggest title to look foward to and that can actually move units.

[tplarkin7]

I didn't know SOCOM was coming out this year. But you should play KOTOR. It is the best RPG ever made. The other PS3 titles you listed are not system sellers. I'm not sure if SOCOM is one, either. That just happened to be successful because it was an online game on PS2, a rarity.

[ben hates you]

heck mi4tk3 you don't consider Mass Effect a big thing

[marinelife9]

New debate for fanboys to blame each other's consoles over.

Is the delay because of Rockstar not being able to cram all their content onto a DVD9 with no hard drive?

Or is it because the PS3 architecture is still to complicated for them?

[Nigglet]

Teh Ps3 is a crap machine. Everyone knows it is the problem because we already knew it was a couple weeks behind the 360. Also it takes at least 2 times as much space to make a PS3 game because of the memory problems, the most ever available at one time is half that of the 360. This means the PS3 needs a lot more time and code in order for the SPE to constantly render graphics which the xbox can do automatically with it's robust memory. Also the drive speed of the xbox makes it much easier to have better looking, smoother running games. PS3 just sucks, that is the facts. THIS IS GOOD FOR MICROSOFT though, because now the game will be released closer to the downloadable content which makes it more relevant, know when gamers decide which version they want, they will be very concious of the fact that the extra content for 360 is only 1 month away. Making it more of a selling point.

[Danielson]

wow...just wow
fanboy (coughing), seriously go away

[Machety]

watch and comment cool video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[IPlayGames]

Nice work

u should have posted under your own so people could reply to your comment.

[ZyKlOn]

GTA IV was due for release on 17th October. Rockstar have been using the Playstation 3 as the lead platform. An Xbox 360 team have been working besides the core team adapting code. Whilst the PS3 Blu-ray disc will easily accommodate the game, there have been problems fitting the game on to a single 360 DVD disc. Microsoft will not allow the game to be released on 2 disc as they are concerned the 360 will be compared unfavourably to the PS3. The situation has led to tension between Dan Houser and the Microsoft Empire as there is currently no way the game can fit on a single dvd.

Microsoft are currently working on a new compression technology for DVD9 discs, however this wont be available until next year. In a politically worded statement Sam Houser said "The game is huge and is pushing the hardware platforms to their absolute limits. The top engineers from Sony and Microsoft are working closely with the team in Edinburgh right now, helping us to fully leverage the power of both platforms."

Whilst the PlayStation 3 version is all set for completion at the end of this month, Microsoft have tied Take Two into an iron-clad legal agreement that forbids them from releasing the game on any format unless the Xbox 360 is ready. This has meant that whilst the PS3 version will be ready for October, Microsoft have directly prevented its release. That's what happens when the Houser brothers sell their arse for the Microsoft dollar. Stupid limey gimp-bags

[Amplifier]

Why must always be about the Playstation 3 and Sony when something in the industry is FISHY or OFF?

This is getting old, their is NO reason to delay the Xbox 360 verison unless something VERY critical is missing/messed up!

Rockstar needs the holiday sales and obivously Xbox 360 can provide those but BOTH platforms are delayed, I have a very big gut feeling that this is Microsofts doing and not Sonys.

Amp

[The Real Joker]

yeah but isn't there a second gunman?

[timmyp53]

http://www.impawards.com/19...

[Kyur4ThePain]

They have a huge franchise on their hands.
They already received money from MS for the exclusive DLC.
Why on earth would they agree to anything that would delay them getting money from sales on the 360 version?
It wouldn't make any sense.
I doubt this has anything to do with either console, especially not the PS3. What do PS3s have that the 360 doesn't? HDD, Blu-Ray space.
What does the 360 have that the PS3 doesn't?

[Capt CHAOS]

Surprised that no fanboy had jumped in yet.

But for what it's worth. Rumble. ;-)

[HeavyweightInTheGame]

Not trying to start a fight but it doies have better games than ps3.

[THE_JUDGE]

to be even speculating on this. It's not going to make the game come out any faster. It's delayed, period. Sh*t happens.

[OutLaw]

Who comes up with this sh!t.

[Capt CHAOS]

Double yawn coming up.

Yawn. Yawn.

[silent ninja]

devs and publishers recieve large sums of money from sony and microsoft to keep games on their consoles. if someone didn't know they where being bribed then they are naive

[Bazookajoe_83]

is because one of the crew member got drunk and happend to piss on the computer so they were set back a couple of month. There you go, i would say that my theory is as good as anyone else.

And i am baseing this on absolutley nothing and have no whatso ever research. This should qvalify me as much as any of the others who has spoken on this mather =)

[BoneMagnus]

This Christmas is going to be HUGE for both the 360 and PS3.

OR, it might have something to do with MS now allowing games to require a hard drive, and they want to optimize the game in this new light.

Whatever it is, I can wait - its not like there isn't already more than enough great games coming out in the fall than I can possibly have the time to play.

[DiLeCtioN]

hey guys can you please go to the pending news section please,there has been an update...10 approvals are needed for news to appear on the front page.
Cheers

[s8anicslayer]

stop the fanboysm, this thread is rediculous!

[BLACKJACK VII]

Just where was GTA IV at this year’s E3 ? Hmmmmm ? It wasn’t in the Sony booth. They didn't even have a freakin' *trailer*. A fact that led many to believe Rockstar was giving Sony the cold shoulder for reasons unknown. Consider also that ALL early previews of the game were shown running on Xbox 360 consoles and that ALL screenshots were also taken from 360 builds.

Recently, a Rockstar spokesman even alluded to the problems faced when making the game run on the complex Cell processor - being clearly diplomatic - he said that the games production was still “a week or two behind” the Xbox360 version. It’s no secret that the Cell is harder to program for than the Xbox 360’s far more familiar architecture, but *COULD* it be that the Cell is so nightmarishly complicated that those 8 extra months are needed just to get to grips with it ???

1UP: Why didn't you show Grand Theft Auto IV at your press conference? Why was it not there?

Jack Tretton: Well, Dave do you want to answer that?

Dave Karraker: You want the real answer?

Dave Karraker: I'll give you the real answer. They didn't send us their video.

Dave Karraker: We requested it. We sent an e--mail out to every publisher and said send us your videos that you want put in the press conference, and they never sent it. Not much more you can say about that.

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[tplarkin7]

It's a no-brainer that the PS3 is complicated. It also has less software support from Sony. The 360 uses conventional CPUs and has shared memory between GPU and CPUs. The PS3 uses the Cell and a split memory.

[Bazookajoe_83]

Are youre mother and father sister and brother or did something happen after you being born? this is just a question don´t get mad...

[omfg_111]

Stop it plz ... and stfu! thx

its delayed ... not ur buissnes. ur buissnes is to buy the game @ 2008

[kewlkat007]

I'm done with GTA4 articles, the game is delayed big time, it is going right to the back-burner. I don't care who did/done it. I'm looking forward to plenty of games. Screw GTA this year.

Plus the game will be battling KZ and MGS when they come out, so they have their work cut out for them. It better be a good game.

Who ever done it, shame on you. I'm out.

[batman2million]

thats kind of absurd isn't it? Either way, i don't believe it. The games coming out in 08...

:(

[Mr Murda]

Not sure what's going on with the GTAIV issue. It could be PS3 development issues or disc space issues with DVD9, either one of those seems the most logical.

As far as impact, I think this hurts Sony a little more than it does MS. This holiday is very important for Sony and MS, but I think MS has more of an advantage this holiday with an already strong line up of games that don't include GTA (Halo 3, Mass Effect, Viva Pinata, Rock Band, etc.). The MS perfect storm thing doesn't mean anything, this event doesn't really kill that. The PS3 has some great games coming out this holiday too (Lair, Heavenly Sword, UT3, etc.), but hardly system sellers like GTA, MGS, or FF. Sony needed to move systems this holiday, not next March or April. Parents are buying systems for their kids in November and December...not March!

All in all, the effect from this certainly won't decide the "war", but I think it's a little more of an ouch to Sony than MS. Even though it hurts both.

IMO

[popup]

Its a shame they can't get close to the master copies because of that damn selfish Squirrel ruining it for everyone else at Rockstar....

[BLACKJACK VII]

Just for your amusement........

[PS360PCROCKS]

Haha those were too damn funny, squirrels with lightsabers, man what a morning, lol lmao

[razer]

Love those pics!!! We need more sense of humor around here!!

Bubbles for you both!

[TheMART]

All reasons sounds plausible in some kind of form, but not this one:

"Theory 6: Rockstar can't fit the game onto a DVD. Back in May, Official PlayStation Magazine asked Rockstar Creative VP Dan House whether the lack of hard drive and Blu-Ray in the Xbox 360 created limitations. "Yep," he said. "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet." He went on to say that both platforms "have enormous challenges." The truth? Rockstar hasn't overcome the lack of DVD player and Hard Drive in the Xbox 360. The game was actually secretly begun in development for the PS3 and made extensive use of Blu Ray, but was later ported over to Xbox 360 by agreement with Microsoft, who demanded a simultaneous multiplatform release. The PS3 version is finished. Rockstar just hasn't worked out how to cram the game onto a DVD yet."

Because Rockstar just gave the news that the 360 version would launch in October, but the PS3 version would be there a 'couple of weeks' later.

Just gives the direction pointing to problems with the Cell/PS3. I can't imagine they say something like that first and then suddenly the 360 version would keep them from getting it finished.

End of the story, I hope MS buys Take Two, get GTA IV excusive and get Sony pwned

[Kyur4ThePain]

Why would this stop them from releasing the 360 version?
Why wait another 8 months before beginning to earn money for their work?
They already made a deal with MS for DLC. It seems they have a better relationship with MS than with Sony at this moment. Why would they hurt that relationship by delaying the 360 version too? Unless they have no choice, right?

[Mr Murda]

I'm sure it's contractual. I'm sure T2 has worked with MS and Sony to confirm that it will be a simultaneous launch, regardless of when. Even if the 360 is done and PS3 is not, or vice versa, it wouldn't matter. They both gotta drop at the same time.

It just makes good business sense, but sucks for the gamers.

[felidae]

well. i think the opposite thing will happen. seems like rockstar stays true to the playstation fans.

[WaggleLOL]

What a loser, trying to spin the crappy smaller than last gen 7 gig DVD drive that Rockstar has been complaining about ever since the beginning of the GTA IV project.

Nothing but pity for the poor Rockstar engineers trying to fit a next gen game on a last gen system like the Dreamcast 360 with its idiotic 7 gig DVD drive and lack of standard harddrive.

[razer]

According to Joystiq it's because the snakey Sony people signed a contract that says they have to be simulataneously released on both systems. This is dirty pool by Sony and I have a feeling there is a lot more of this going on then is known.

Sony up to their old snakey ways.. It's a shame because it's hurting gamers, not that this delay is the end of the world.. but I can't imagine what other deals Sony is cutting to keep gamers from great games just because you don't want to buy a PS3.

[Omicronn]

PS fans and Xbox fans really need to stop bickering about garbage all the time.

MS buy TakeTwo? Yeah like they really want to buy a company with investigations up the wazoo for cooking their accounting books....
Smart idea there... lol

The reason Sony and Microsoft and EA never bought them to begin with recently was most likely because when they saw the books/headlines/investigations , a light bulb went off in some overpaid exec that said

"hmmmm... maybe this isnt such a good idea guys"

And Sony up to old dirty tricks?
How can that line be mixed into a conversation that deals with the company who wrote the book on dirty business tricks?..
(Hint... Microsoft. Hint again.. Windows)

This is a business, it could be delayed for tons of reasons, each gamer fanboy side loses out on this one. You should all be complaining about Rockstar, not the system your a fan of.

[Ggame]

I'm little doubt that if the PS3 version is lagging in development. Why the X360 version also delayed?

- Or this will similar to Unreal Tournament 3?
- Or something included in Sony deal?

[Odion]

lets just drop it guys we don't know what the problem is, but here is my guess.

1. Both consoles have some kind of technical problem that are just causing gremlin effects. E.g. by fixing one problem another pops up.

2. It is a GTA game, and since this is the first next gen version the amount of testing and polish that has to go into it must be huge, and with the techincal problems whatever they are, they must not have had enough time to really ge the game ready.

[macalatus]

@Odion,

I must admit, you have the most intelligent comment so far in this room. I wonder what made those two people to disagree with you. I guess they would rather fan the flames of fanboy war to make them feel superior over the other. Don't worry, "+" bubble for you!

[TheFamilyGuy]

There is definitely reason to be suspicious about this. With all the big deals with GTA IV tatoos and confirmations of an October 2007 release date, it seems to be something huge that caused it the game to come out now not until Q2 2008. If it was just a little problem, they could have pushed the release to say, November 2007....but Q2 2008 means something big happened.

[2tea]

if M$ paid $50mil on GTA IV that would make it come out on the right time on x360 and the PS3s would be delayed so it must be the 360 version that f**ked everything up

[D_U_I]

Your not a gamer, your a fanboy... stop causing trouble and talking rubbish. This delay has nothing to do with PS3 Or 360, its their problem, let them sort it out. Stop putting the ps3 down, are you forgetting that the console you surport could have a 40% failure rate by the end of this year. You also said that the ps3 has no games this fall (no reasons?). ????????????? Yep thats true........... NO!!!! I'm going to have alot more games for my PS3 than i am for my 360. Please stop talking like an idiot or i'm reporting you.

Joy.

[aiphanes]

They developed this thing over 1.5 years ago, on the PS3 first...they are having space problems on the Xbox 360 because of the DVD9.....This is a sandbox game with huge textures...8.5 gigs of space is not enough....they are trying to figure it out. They will figure it out...but it is going to take them to April or maybe even to next october 2008....Have you ever seen a GTA game release outside of october? This game will not come out till October 2008.

But by then the game will completely perfect or close to it.

Microsoft got screwed by this...not sony...since the microsoft version of GTA4 was suppose to be better because of the exclusive content...In the end the PS3 version of the game next year will probably be a better over all game because of no space issues and they will have time to tweak the engine to perfection...and since sony is not working with them directly...there will be no framerate issues on the PS3 version.

[Says you]

Content doesnt mean the one for the XBox 360 is special anyway considering Rockstar didnt tell us whats so special about Grand Theft Auto IV for XBox 360 since if it is so special why dont they just tell us what continent there going to put since its nothing special and plus in the near future the PS3 version would eventually get a special download from Rockstar anyway.

[razer]

I think it's pretty clear that the 360 will receive EXCLUSIVE chapter's to the game and Rockstar already stated that the PS3 will not get any of it. This is the deal that MS had with Rockstar.

But in turn, Sony started acting like a little b*tch and had to start crying for an exclusive game and that GTA would release simulataneously. This hold up is a direct result of that because the PS3 version is behind.. Rockstar even stated the PS3 version was 2 weeks behind..

[ParaDise_LosT]

Sony had nothing to do with this...
It was all Bigfoot...

Yes...
Bigfoot, He bribed Rockstar to Delay the game so The
gaming market will get a devistating blow, and soon he will delay all other games..
Why?

His plans are to destroy all entertainment tech so the
people will take their attention else where..
(to the forest and beaches)
then More tourist will go to the woods and claim they saw bigfoot
increasing the tourism in his land
he is also keeping a secret...He's cut a deal with the forest rangers so he gets 50% of tourist money(from buying bigfoot mechandise
shirts,toys, ect. )

See Don't be stupid guys...if you think hard enough all is clear :)

[BIadestarX]

I think Microsoft made a mistake paying for that extra content... they should of just spend that money else where... that kind of money should guarantee an exclusive game... not an exclusive DLC. I understand that GTA is big.. but the game was going to be released on the xbox 360 anyways... I think Rockstar is taking advantage of Microsoft and playing dirty. I think Rockstar knows that they are now in the position to take advantage of Sony and Microsoft at the sametime. with the amount of money Microsoft paid Rockstar at least 2-3 new IPs could be funded.. or at least one big budget game. Unless ofcourse there is something we don't know about the deal and there is value in it.

So, far the way I see it... Rockstar screwed Microsoft with that GTA deal. It seems to be that Rockstar is using the money Microsoft paid.. to fun the development of the PS3 version.

[solidt12]

It's Funny that people keep stating that the PS3 has no good games coming out this Holiday when they have way more games coming out this holiday and on top of that they are exclusive. Maybe they just don't know so i will tell them.

Unreal Tournament III (from the makers of Gears of War only on PS3 this year)
Heavenly Sword (sept. Sony)
Warhawk (this Month)
HAZE (exclusive from a third party UBISOFT)
Uncharted Drake (Sony /Naughty Dog)
LAIR (Sony)
Folklore (Sony)
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (Sony)
SingStar (Sony)
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Multi but had to put it down)

There are plenty of more games that will appear this month but I only put down the big ones. This isn't even half of the exclusive games coming to the PS3 this Fall. I know COD4 and Exclusive but I had to put it down because it will be huge this fall. Unreal Tournament is probably the one that hurts the most and to look just a few more months into next year really hurts. Metal Gear Solid 4 and Killzone 2 in March.

GTA IV was never coming out this fall in my opinion. Just something to hype us up.

[BLACKJACK VII]

Next 4 months: MASS EFFECT, HALO3, BIOSHOCK, TWO WORLDS, LOST ODYSSEY, ARMY OF TWO, PGR4, BLUE DRAGON, COD4, ASSASSIN'S CREED, VF5, SC: CONVICTION, ARMY OF TWO, MADDEN 2008, NCAA 2008@60fps...

2008: TOO HUMAN, GRAND THEFT IV WITH EXTRA CONTENT, DARK SECTOR, ALAN WAKE, FABLE 2, HALO WARS, DARKSIDERS, FORCE UNLEASHED, DMC4, MARVEL MMO, NG2, DOA5, WOLFENSTEIN 360, PROJECT OFFSET, HAZE, UT3, ... DARE I SAY: GEARS OF WAR 2 ?!?

SONY is *4.3 MILLION* consoles behind M$ & slippin' everyday. Xbox360's software currently outsells Nintendo & PS3, & that's BEFORE Bioshock, Mass Effect, & Halo3 ! Just wait for the M$'s pricecuts & the *2007* software releasing this Fall - Ouch. Unless the PS3 dramaticly increases it's abysmal hardware & software sales, more & more developers are going to CONTINUE to drop off.

Best E3 Console Game--Mass Effect
Best E3 RPG-- Mass Effect
Best E3 Action Game--COD4
Best E3 Action/Adventure--Bioshock
Best E3 Sport Game--Madden 08(@60 FPS)
Best E3 Online Multiplayer--Halo 3
Best E3 Fighting Game--Virtua Fighter 5(Online via XBL)
Best E3 Game not Mentioned--GTAIV(episodic content)

Wow, did I miss something ? Where are all your PS3 games ???

[D_U_I]

Why the fanboy attitude, the ps3 has a great line up... and so has the 360. But does it have the hardware to match?

Oh yer personal question for ya. Does your name have anything to do with that really crap drift clan on forza 2?

[PS360PCROCKS]

Sigh this only is pouring salt into the wound...:'(

[ApocalypseShadow]

as stated by someone else in the "multiple gta threads":

[PS3]
next gen disc medium-check
standard hard drive-check
more power with cell-check

[360]
no next gen disc medium-check
no standard hard drive-double check
cpu not as powerful as cell-triple check

they either bit off more than they could chew,had problems programming,couldn't COMPRESS ENOUGH or made a date they couldn't meet.

but i don't see ps3 games built from the ground up being inferior to 360 games.

LAIR-more enemies,more detail,bigger levels.ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
UNCHARTED-more enemies,more detail,bigger levels,more animation.ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
GT5-more cars,more detail,more tracks,better lighting.ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
HEAVENLY SWORD-more enemies,more detail,better lighting,bigger levels,more animation.ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
RATCHET&CLANK-more enemies,more detail,bigger levels.ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
MOTORSTORM-more cars,more detail,bigger levels,deformation,physics.ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
WARHAWK-land and air battles,more players,more action,dedicated servers,bigger levels.ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
RESISTANCE-more enemies,bigger levels,40 players online,more levels,dedicated servers.ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

these are some of the ps3 games that outdo 360 games.did ps3 help delay mass effect?NO!did ps3 help delay halo 3 at ps3 launch?NO!did ps3 help delay bioshock?NO!did ps3 help delay any multiplatform game?NO!9 times out of 10,360's multiplatform games were released while we ps3 gamers had to wait.

but now that gta is delayed,it's now ps3 at fault for destroying microsoft's "perfect storm."microsoft shouldn't be relying on third parties to prop up their system.HALO3 is the only known big game on 360.pgr4 is not a system seller.everthing else is thrid party.

microsoft should have been like sony.MAKING THEIR OWN GAMES.microsoft stands to lose more than sony does.THEY MADE THEIR OWN GAMES.and being that UT3 and HAZE are timed exclusive to ps3,360 has no other advantage beyond HALO3 except price.

MAG LEV SUPER TRAIN IS COMING.

[jinn]

Sony can laugh and bribe all they want right now, but they could never bribe the masterpiece that releases on September 25.

[getupahh]

if you're wondering who was really at fault for the delay - ask yourself why is R* releasing their next 2 big games (LA Noire and Unnamed new IP) as PS3 exclusives?

Then ask yourself is it a coincidence that PGR4 couldn't fit car models with damage and day/night cycles on the same disc and that GTAIV with car models with damage and day/night cycles in development for the 360 is being delayed.

Once again MS has to pin all their sales hopes on a single franchise - Halo.

[razer]

Bizarre came out and said they have plenty of disc space for PGR4.

End of story.

[senerock]

sony payed for this delay, am sure of it....they realized with madden, halo, and gta4 one the 360...surely they were in big trouble!!!

[Bloodshedder]

whats the meaning of this news?

[power of Green]

I wasn't aware of Conspiracy theories were out and about.

Only things floating around is the announcement of the PS3 version being delayed and being late for it launch and the fact the PS3 version was never shown running or even pics of it post. And finally the contract subject and how people know for a fact the PS3 isn't designed to run games aswell as the 360 and causes many problems for many devs thus the PS3 is holding the game back opinions.

Don't let the Sony fanboys try to confuse wild Conspiracy theories with actaul fact based opinions.

[skylar2000]

"Take-Two is reducing its fiscal 2007 guidance primarily to reflect the movement of the launch of Grand Theft Auto IV for the PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system and the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2007 to fiscal 2008, due to additional development time required to complete the title,"

Read this and think before you post something stupid up like this stupid xbox 360 fans.

[power of Green]

Both games were moving along in the begining and the 360 version started to pull away in progress and just before launch(now) they started to worry that the PS3 version was taking up too much time to get it to match the 360 in all areas.

The devs panniced made up an unrealistic delay window with the PS3 a few weeks ago thinking we can do this we have to only one day realizing/seeing both versions running side by side more and less seemed like two different games or from different generations and then decided to delay the game being under contract decided with a mindset of "well we can make the 360 version better in the time we need to figure out PS3 sence we can't launch them at different times".

[Kyur4ThePain]

"realizing/seeing both versions running side by side"

Seriously...you think they would compare the two only at the END of development?

That just goes to show how much (or little, actually) you know about software development. You don't leave a risk like that hanging out there without mitigating it early on. Delaying the release is not mitigation in and of itself...it's the result of bad project management.

I don't pretend to KNOW what caused the delay (just like anyone else), but to actually say what you just did, is complete nonsense.

[Charlie2688]

lest see them all

1) true Halo 3 is like the megaton of the 360 so waiting for the hype to come down and peoples wallets to refill is really possible

2)While originally devs complained about the Cell more and more are saying that is not such big deal, and since the game was first developed on the PS3 is not that they have the complications of a 360 to PS3 port, so its very unlikely

3)Wii version? that would probably take a LOT more time that just a few months

4)Its hard to see Sony bribing them for a delay when it will only hurt PS3 sales probably a lot more than 360 sales

5) with the whole financial scandal on Take 2 its is VERY possible they made the first release date up to keep the board happy

6)Again since the game was originally developed for the PS3 it is possible that the DVD9 and lack of HDD might have caused some unexpected problems with the overall game design forcing them to delay both version so they would come out the same

at the end I think that the only real explanation could be a little mix of most of these plus the fact that GTA4 original release date was rushed for a product that probably was never gonna be ready by that time

[ApocalypseShadow]

what else is new?

[power of Green]

WATCH!!!!....

[power of Green]

You're not making any sense lets hope you didn't come to that conclusions from that text you copied and pasted in your post. Selective comprehending, I hope!.

"due to additional development time required to complete the title"

^^^I can't even remember a multi platform game launching at the same time, the 360 is designed to enhance the devs skills its tools hardly handi capp devs, can you show the link wher it says the episodic content for GTA 4 is being developed at the same time or all at once and only being rashioned out over time vs being developed later on after the devs get the launch of the retail game out of the way.

[Bloodmask]

Look at the past history of 360 games being released, and the PS3 versions being delayed.

The only difference is Sony has a deal that both versions are to be released simultaneously now.

It is a well known fact that the PS3 version was behind in development. And that the 360 version was the version always on display.

This was even the case at E3 as the PS3 version was a No-show.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Where did you hear that?

[no_more_heroes]

we earn our exclusives." Remember this?

[Kyur4ThePain]

DVD is enough this generation." Remember this?

[Gamingisfornerds]

It's just the TYPICAL delay that was known within the company for ages but they refused to make it public for obvious reasons.

I'm willing to bet they already knew this time last year (probably a lot sooner already) that no way in hell they we're going to release this game Oct 2007.

This happens all the time, and if you pay close attention, the signs are all there for the pickup.
Anyone that is surprised by this news has just not been paying attention to what's going on.

On that note, I'll tell you right here right now that Assassins Creed will be pushed back to release in Q1 2008.
It's just so obvious that's going to happen, but they'll keep it quiet for as long as humanly possible.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! ;)

[AngryTypingGuy]

Yeah, I don't think there are any conspiracies. Delays happen. It's better they get it right rather than release it before it's ready. I just wish they didn't have to release both versions at the same time. If one is done before the other, than release it.

[Cat Eye]

Conspiracy my foot....it's just that Rock Star lives on GTA & if this game by any chance turned out to be worthless..Rock Star will lose everything...besides it's the first next gen GTA so let it be somewhat perfect comparing it to the older ones...((there are now zero reasons to buy a PS3 this holiday)).. if thats so then does the stock run out so fast whenever there is a price cut.
((think it's pretty clear that the 360 will receive EXCLUSIVE chapter's to the game and Rockstar already stated that the PS3 will not get any of it. This is the deal that MS had with Rockstar))..please try to read more before talking PS3 IS GETTING EXCLUSIVE CHAPTERS..

[ZyKlOn]

GTA IV was due for release on 17th October. Rockstar have been using the Playstation 3 as the lead platform. An Xbox 360 team have been working besides the core team adapting code. Whilst the PS3 Blu-ray disc will easily accommodate the game, there have been problems fitting the game on to a single 360 DVD disc. Microsoft will not allow the game to be released on 2 disc as they are concerned the 360 will be compared unfavourably to the PS3. The situation has led to tension between Dan Houser and the Microsoft Empire as there is currently no way the game can fit on a single dvd.

Microsoft are currently working on a new compression technology for DVD9 discs, however this wont be available until next year. In a politically worded statement Sam Houser said "The game is huge and is pushing the hardware platforms to their absolute limits. The top engineers from Sony and Microsoft are working closely with the team in Edinburgh right now, helping us to fully leverage the power of both platforms."

Whilst the PlayStation 3 version is all set for completion at the end of this month, Microsoft have tied Take Two into an iron-clad legal agreement that forbids them from releasing the game on any format unless the Xbox 360 is ready. This has meant that whilst the PS3 version will be ready for October, Microsoft have directly prevented its release. That's what happens when the Houser brothers sell their arse for the Microsoft dollar. Stupid limey gimp-bags.
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[darkequitus]

You are a retard! You quote from a great unsolicited webite? What sort of half-wit are you?