PlayStation 3 Complications Caused GTA IV Delay - Michael Patcher

Analyst Michael Pachter believes Rockstar has delayed the release of Grand Theft Auto IV because it is struggling with development on the PlayStation 3.

And the Xbox 360 version of the game has suffered at least a six month delay as a result, due to contractual obligations that will have prevented the publisher from releasing the game first on Microsoft's machine, says the analyst.

[Rama26285]

I stopped reading after that. Pure and utter speculation, once again, from Pachter who seems intent on making the headlines with his comments recently.

EDIT: N4gworks4Sony, you joker lol Firstly your name and avatar clearly shows you wont have a balanced view point lol Secondly, I don't claim to be the smartest person in the world and I don't see anyone giving me that praise :D Thirdly (and lastly), I'm not telling people to do anything so if they wish to read the entire article then it's up to them! (Welcome to N4G btw!!)

[N4Gworks4Sony]

YOU STOPPED READING AFTER THAT BUT WHY SHOULD other people do the same? Who died and made you the smartest person in the world? :-p

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

You look and sound like you work for MICROSOFT.

your names ridiculous, could you look any more desperate?
I DONT THINK SO.

[Razzy]

LOL I stopped reading after "Analyst"
<-----mmmmm...speaking of anal

nuff said

[xmod]

This is the same guy who predicted Microsoft would announce a price drop at E3 (a price drop is going to happen but the timing of his prediction was way off).

BTW, in case you're curious what he looks like, he's in this video (he's the 'old guy' on this panel) http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Nigglet]

The PS3 has been holding back the 360 since it's launch. With the gimped memory of the PS3 which is only ever as wide as 256 (half the xbox 360) And the outrageously slow blue-ray drive and the fact that the PS3 graphics chip is outdated they should just drop teh PS3 version of most games.
The PS3 memory problems mean that the SPE's must constantly re-render graphics to match what the 360 does automatically, this is why PS3 games use so much space, the PS3 version of most games uses over twice as much space due to this restriction. THis is also why so many PS3 games have been canceled and delayed already.

[devi8i]

The real reason is that Rockstar KNOWS they are going to make lots of money with this game, but the question is just how much money. Take Two has already had a horrible year, delaying the game release till next year still puts it releasing in the new fiscal year while ensuring that the install base of the 360 and PS3 are significantly improved. Considering they have a strong chance of losing market share to the other high profile games coming out this fall and the relatively low install base of the two systems it will release on Take Two probably felt it was in their best interest financially to postpone the release, make up some piss pore excuse other than wanting to maximize profits and rake in the money later. Releasing it a year later is not going to keep anyone who was going to buy it this year from buying it next year.

[devi8i]

SPECULATION

[Staircase]

What other multi-platform games have been delayed on the 360 due to the PS3...?

[gaffyh]

Analysts are almost always wrong, I don't think both versions would hae been delayed because of the PS3, that makes absolutely no sense, no other game has had to delay both versions of the game because the PS3 one is delayed. N4G has got a lot of people joining just to troll nowadays, sad to see such a great site be spoiled by such immature fools. :(

[Machety]

Watch and Comment cool video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[BrianC6234]

I think I remember reading about Rockstar not being happy about having to make GTA4 work on all 360's, including the ones with no hard drive. To me that says they're struggling to make the 360 version. How do you make a huge game and not use the hard drive? It just isn't easy to do. Not if you want the game to be good. Sure Gears of War came out good but it was also very short. GTA4 isn't a short game.

[madmike]

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BOUGHT A GAME AND THOUGHT IF ONLY THEY SPENT A LITTLE LONGER ON THE GAME YOU CAN,T BLAME ANY CONSOLE BUT YES I AM GUTTED THAT ITS NOT OUT IN OCTOBER BUT WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THE GAME SOMETIME IN 08 CAN I SCREAM NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO

[MarioFromTexas]

I think the PS3 will have additional content while the 360 version will have additional episodes coming....The PS3 version is going to 1080p 60fps with full 7.1 support. Sony is up to no good people and when that happens, it's game over. Unlike many developers that rush games to PS3, I think Rockstar and Sony have a good relationship and I'm pretty sure Sony is helping them maximize GTA, it would only make since

[Rama26285]

"We think it is likely that Pachter is actually employed by Microsoft"

Same concept, but would you believe me?

EDIT: eLiNeS - I hope you're getting commission mate for the amount of promoting you're doing for Micro$oft. If not, you're wasting your time my friend.

[eLiNeS]

all developers are having a hard time developing on the PS3. Thanks allot Sony!!! Now what are we suppose to do? Oh wait, HALO ][][][ FTW.

Xbox 360 price drop this month. Jump in!

[Vavoom]

I don't believe that anything is wrong with the PS3 version of the game. I think the whole thing is corporate BULLSH!T. Sony and Rockstar recently met when they can up with the future franchise BS. During that meeting, Sony either made a request, or outright told them to delay it simply because they think it would hurt the 360 more than they think it would hurt the PS3. Knowing that a contract to release them both at the same time was already signed. By default this forces RS to hold the 360 version or risk being sued by Sony. Otherwise, why not release the 360 version now and the PS3 later since it's "BROKE"!

I mean, think about it, I find it hard to believe that Microsoft made the contract with RS stating that both versions must be released at the same time. This is something done in contract negotiations strictly by SONY. Microsoft wouldn't need to do it because it's unlikely that the DEVs are going to have any problems with the XBOX360 Version.

Once again, I think the PS3 version of GTA is fine and could have been released on time. This is a SONY & RS ploy, and it's likely driven by money. "We don't buy exclusives" My A$$! You buy anything that will give you an advantage, they how Sony is and Always had been.

[Daishi]

I like to be as neutral as possible but on this subject I just can't. Do you know how ignorant you people sound just blowing this off as impossible, well let me clarify. Rockstar has already launched a few games on the 360 using the GTA engine, so they know how to make games on it already. "ALL" footage shown thus far has been running on the XBOX 360!!! Now take into account that this is Rockstars first game running on the PS3 then maybe you would begin to understand. This isn't saying "Well the PS3 is such a piece of #### that we could run GTA better on a "Game Boy" it says what it says! Somebody says something you disagree with and you instantly attack them no matter how credible it is.

[kewlkat007]

wasn't there an article about MS and their business contract towards MS, yesterday?

I do have this sinking feeling it was because of the PS3.

I don't think it would take 6 months to fit a game on DVD9, barring minor setbacks, if that was the issue.

There was talks about framerate issues, as well and I certainly think Ps3, looking at the current games that have had some framerate problems.
Even if it is, it wouldn't be the first time, we hear PS3 with major delay issues with PS3 games. The only thing here, is it now effects the xbox 360.

You won't here Rockstar say much, since they do not wanna hurt feelings. This is a multi game. I feel bad for MS's contract. Oh well, the storm looses a little bit of punch.

All specualation.

[VaeVictus]

I don't see why the 360's version would be affected by the PS3 version. I agree w/ what N'gai has to say about this. They are having troubles on the game itself. Otherwise, they would have just delayed the PS3 version. MS paid them a lot of money for the additional content, you'd think if they could put it out they would. Everyone else does that.

[Kleptic]

and a few months ago it was nothing but those few comments from take two about building the game around the 360 not having a HDD in every unit...

but the 360 version is what has been shown each time now...both trailers were confirmed to be the 360 version of the game...so does that mean the PS3 version is behind or suckingin comparison?...maybe...

either way the, it could have been either console...and both are delayed anyway...obviously Rockstar isn't too unhappy with the PS3, with apperantly two different exlusives in the pipeline now...and the 360 has...zero...

[kewlkat007]

it's the PS3, because well GTA is a huge game, with plenty of followers. some that are still playing "san andreas" on the Ps2/Xbox.

I mean, imagine a big delay for just one console? Would people wait 6 long months, or would it give that console an Edge to sell more units this holiday? Of course it would give whichever a huge boost, instead of waiting, almost half a year..

If it wasn't the 360's fault(since it had only been the 360 version we have seen all along) then sucks for them, they won't steal an thunder this holiday. But it's great for the PS3 IMO, as well as it's a good thing for the game as well. after all said and done, Rockstar would of done the right thing not to release one version this holiday. Whatever the problem is.

[VaeVictus]

Oh I know man. I am only putting into consideration that 1) Rock* needs the $$ (2) Other publishers have had no issue putting PS3 on the backburner (3) MS threw a lot of money a Rock*, their not going to jeapordize a breach of contract and lose that $$.

I think what they are trying to implement featurewise is more of a problem. As immersive as this game is going to be, I can only imagine this is the real reason. They likely won't specify b/c of the huge hype machine that follows this game. They don't need anymore negative press.

[Mu5afir]

The Ps3 is the lead platform, I doubt it had the frame rate problems.

[BrianC6234]

The most likely problem is not making the game take advantage of the hard drive. Rockstar wasn't happy at all about that. They even brought it up to the press. It was stupid of Microsoft to have the 360 without a required hard drive. You need it to improve performance of a lot of games. It's like adding more RAM. Slower RAM but it helps a lot. Hopefully it won't mess up the PS3 version since all PS3's do have hard drives.

[batman2million]

..i totally agree with Rama26285 . This is just speculation.

But on the other hand, i doubt rockstar will tell anyone what the true reason b/c of the delay..it be b/c of the 360 or ps3.

[StormSoldier]

i read on this dif site that the ps3 version will be done this month or next.and the xbox360 version is having trouble fitting on 1 disc.so M$ wont let it be out till xbox360 version is ready.So whos ever fault it is let it just ride out the longer we wait the better for us i hope!

[egyptian_diarrhea]

i don't care if it was either ps3 or xbox360 that caused the delay, as long as it comes out good, i'll be happy, the sooner the better.

[popup]

Either way, both versions are now delayed.

The reason itself will not change a thing except make the game more polished and a load of kids cry at christmas.

[Odion]

lol Patcher takes MS side, N gai takes PS3, WHO WILL WIN?

It would be nice to have the full story, but I believe that both platforms are to blame

[23478ueyur_938223]

Yeah I agree, I think the problem must be pretty big and likely on the both versions of the game to cause such a massive delay. It could be one of the versions individually, anything's possible, but I wouldn't expect Rockstar to give the exact reasons for the delay.

[solidt12]

Remember this is just someones analysis and not a official work from RockStar. Pure Opinion and a lazy one at that.. It is the easiest thing to say. My opinion is that I really don't think the game was ready period.

[duarteq]

"PlayStation 3 Complications Caused GTA IV Delay - Michael Patcher" Because of PS3 ? lol, M$ payed a lot to get exclusive contents and then this happens. I think the real problem is that rockstar is having some problems regarding the disc space, not the supose PS3 problems. Bizzare creations already spoke of the same problems . Now blaming PS3 is just so low...

[Pika-pie]

I doubt it

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

believe what you must.

[Frankenberg]

I bet some high up lawyer saw something questionable considering the new revelations of Manhunt 2. They are probably taking out a few items and replacing them with nice pink ponies.

[Mike134nl]

as long as they use their time wisely

[s8anicslayer]

why would rockstar want to loose money by delaying the game for the 360 because they were having trouble wth the ps3 version,damn these incompatent anylist's

[Rythrine]

No disrespect to Patcher, but I'll take Rockstar or Take Two's word over him. Now with that being said, I don't think Rockstar or TT would reveal the truth for the delay in order to stay in the good sides of both Sony and Microsoft.

[tplarkin7]

The 360 uses conventional CPUs and a very friendly shared memory between GPU and CPUs. The PS3 has split memory and an unconventional CPU. This isn't rocket science. The DVD9 vs BluRay is a non issue which would never be a reason to delay a game for 6 months.

[Bathyj]

The game just isn't ready. The release date was always too soon. I honestly didn't think we would see this game this year and after seeing the trailer, although it looked ok, I wondered even more if it was being rushed.

Do you have any idea how many possible bugs a sand-box game like this could have?

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

SO....
-Rockstar has 2 ps3 exclusives coming out.
-Insomniac dev`d R&C:FTOD VERY VERY quickly.

but the ps3 is the "problem"?

Space Matters.

[sjappie]

won't be delayed to.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

who cares the doesnt change EXCLUSIVE.

@kyur
thanks.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Bubble'd up.

[Kleptic]

good point...

if the PS3 is causing so much trouble...why 2 exlusive games for it after GTA IV?...the 360 has not one exlusive in the works from them...it just seems unlikely that they would go with these exlusives, or even make the PS3 the lead platform for LA Noire (whatever that "exclusive'ness" is), if it was soley responsible for the delay of their biggest money maker...

[Sez]

just wow. yesterday everyone was ready to blame MS for the delay becuase n'gal said it wasn't ps3. now patcher say it is ps3 fault now fanboys are quick to dismiss the claim. i guess it is true then. every bad news stated at MS is true.but any bad press on ps3 is false. ps3 can do no wrong.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

that mindstate is soooooooo unbelievably biased.

you think it not the same the other way?

[Bazookajoe_83]

Do you also he belives in intelligent design? Or that the dinosours were killed by aliens? There are so many theories..

Tucker: Back to you Ollie!

Ollie: Bullshit!!!

[jlytle1234]

"Analyst Michael Pachter believes "
that's pretty much all you need to read to know its not official. Who knows, maybe they think there are too many games coming out in the final two quarters, so they are holding the game to release in a less competitive quarter. Movies do this all the time. Its all speculative.

[harpua]

its the Wii version thats holding it up.

[Lumbo]

At last someone who understands the real reason, made me smile there, bubble for you.

[Meus Renaissance]

It may be pure speculation but its the most logical assumption at this moment.

[devi8i]

SPECULATION

[ThaGeNeCySt]

i don't think neither system is to blame but I can see where Pachter's speculation comes from

which is the version rockstar always demo's and showcases to the press? Which version were the 2 trailers built on? Which version was 2 weeks behind the other? All of that points to PS3 difficulties but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's neither system

[Violater]

I cant tell you enough how I am enjoying the fanboy meltdown on this whole cluster f#@k.
It's all speculation at this point, but food for thought, Warhawk is supposed to land this month :D
And those are huge maps

[Amplifier]

Playstation 3 slow/hard development, why would they sacrifice the Xbox 360's version from the holidays, THEY NEED MONEY BADLY.

@Odin - No, it's not logical because it's not based on any fact!

Why would they list LA Noire as an Playstation 3 exclusive?

@Odin - http://www.computerandvideo...

Why are they ONLY showing Xbox 360 versions of the game?

@Odin - Um then why DELAY the game, if it is so much more complete? They don't have to...BS to that "contract" nonsense, that is HIGHLY doubtful that is the case.

I am sorry but something is VERY FISHY with this whole deal, my guess is the stink is all over Microsoft, because Rockstar is wanting to require the use of the HDD.

@Odin - Apparently you are blind to all the articles of developers(anonymously) on "sand-box" gameplay types complaining about disk space on "lack of HDD" and/or actual DVD9

Is this that "push back" that Shane Kim was talking about if developers wanted to require the HDD?

Amp

PS - I have never liked Michael Patcher, he's an idiot when comes to most of the industry.

[Odion]

Q. Playstation 3 slow/hard development, why would they sacifice the Xbox 360's verison from the holidays, THEY NEED MONEY BADLY.

A. Well if you read what he said that Sony prob has a contract that says that both games have to be release at the same time, this would be a logical reason why their both delayed.

Q. Why would they announce LA Noire as an Playstation 3 exclusive?

A. Show me where they announced this, last time Take 2 talked about this game (which was in June) it was coming out on both. Don't link me Gamers Creed either because their assumption is not a confirmation from the publisher.

Q.Why are they ONLY showing Xbox 360 verisons of the game?

A. They already said it was the version that was the most done, since the 360 uses a evolutionary step forward from the system that last gen consoles and PC uses, so its fast to start developing for.

Q. I am sorry but something is VERY FISHY with this whole deal, my guess is the stink is all over Microsoft, because Rockstar is wanting to require the use of the HDD.

A. Your crazy if you think that disc space would cause a half year delay.

[Odion]

1. Neither are any of your comments and yet your spewing them out as fact.

2. I am sorry where in that does it say, Rockstar/Take Two announced LA Noire as a PS3 only game?

3. Then you explain why they keep showing the 360 version and not the PS3 version, cause the 360 version looks close to being finished and the PS3 version doesn't

4. I guess your blind to the mass outcry of developers complaining about how hard developing for the PS3 is

[Amplifier]

My comment is just that...MINE...that doesn't require it to be fact or false nor have I ever said that they are facts...it's a comment of opinion based a tidbits of information that we have.

Rockstar doesn't have Xbox 360 listed for LA Noire and this is an updated list in light of the announcement of GTA IV being delayed.

Now it's not a direct "announcement" and I should have chose my words more carefully, guess I am dealing someone that feeds on every word someone uses, my apologies.

Call it what you want and I will call it what I want, but to attack me on my OPINIONS/THEORIES is sad

Then claim that I am making "false" information into fact is a pathetic attempt at attacking someone while trying to conceal your true motive.

As well you are spewing out information as fact also, in either case WE ALL DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!

[deepio]

No point speculating on speculation. Whatever the case may be, I for one am glad it's delayed, there's already too many games to buy in the last quarter of this year as it is.

[BLACKJACK VII]

Just where was GTA IV at this year’s E3 ? Hmmmmm ? It wasn’t in the Sony booth. They didn't even have a freakin' *trailer*. A fact that led many to believe Rockstar was giving Sony the cold shoulder for reasons unknown. Consider also that ALL early previews of the game were shown running on Xbox 360 consoles and that ALL screenshots were also taken from 360 builds.

Recently, a Rockstar spokesman even alluded to the problems faced when making the game run on the complex Cell processor - being clearly diplomatic - he said that the games production was still “a week or two behind” the Xbox360 version. It’s no secret that the Cell is harder to program for than the Xbox 360’s far more familiar architecture, but *COULD* it be that the Cell is so nightmarishly complicated that those 8 extra months are needed just to get to grips with it ???

1UP: Why didn't you show Grand Theft Auto IV at your press conference? Why was it not there?

Jack Tretton: Well, Dave do you want to answer that?

Dave Karraker: You want the real answer?

Dave Karraker: I'll give you the real answer. They didn't send us their video.

Dave Karraker: We requested it. We sent an e--mail out to every publisher and said send us your videos that you want put in the press conference, and they never sent it. Not much more you can say about that.

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[chasegamez]

maybe its delay because ps3
u got 2 understand it like dealing with

bmw = xbox360 good but average
bentley =ps3 u dealing with Luxury
u have 2 take your time with Luxury

ok people

[RAM MAGNUMS]

As usual sony is saying they can do things with the most powerful next generation console. Yeah freakin right. Honestly I havent seen anything this machine can do that the xbox cant do better. Metal gear was supposed to be like wow xbox needs to step their game up but I think Splinter cell chaos theory looks better and alot more realistic with a more viable story. please Sony go straight to hell with the worst console ever created. And Sam fisher doesnt feel anyone balls and hugs them to sleep. SAM FISHER IS A MITCHUM MAN AND HE EATS CHUNKY SOUP.

[the worst]

!!Honestly I havent seen anything this machine can do that the xbox cant do better!!
playing without red ring showing up

[Staircase]

Wow, don't bash Solid Snake. Sam Fisher is nothing compared to him, and he never will be.

[the_round_peg]

The Chairman of Take-Two/Rockstar is also the President of Sony BMG.

The same person who approved putting spyware into Sony BMG CD and caused a scandal and a bunch of lawsuit a few years back... because he's also involved with the other software company that's contracted to made the spyware for Sony.

Who is he? He's the same person who said: "Phuck you, Microsoft. We're not going to deliver the game on-time, and we're not sending you back the money."

It's a big web of conflicts of interest.

[THE_JUDGE]

before you puke up anymore convoluted b.s. The software that was put on the cds your refering to was created NOT by Sony it was another company that was hired to make a protection on the music not to put spyware on it. The company that did it is being sued right now by Sony because they did that without authorization. Eat your Wheaties and do some more research before you speak, tool.

[xfrgtr]

32 - Why does Rockstar side with Sony so much?
Because the xbox SUCKS

[VirusE]

Coding for the cell with all of its cores is much hard than coding for the xenon.

[emogen]

Even if it was running on the xenon during those previews, it doesn't mean they're running it off a dvd of the complete game. All that people have seen so far are some levels. So it could work for the xbox if it was running through a hard drive.

[THE_JUDGE]

make much sense to me is that rockstar has been making games on a Sony platform for years. Playstation and PS2 were full of Rockstar love and seriously what have they done for the Xbox? Table Tennis? I think its the game itself thats the problem. They just don't have it done.

[M1am1U]

they haven't been making games on the PS3 for years. I'm not saying that's truly the problem, but PS2 and PS3 development are much different. They may never come out and say what the real problem is. Mud slinging against either of their platforms would not be wise at this point. It just sucks that the game is delayed.

[timmyp53]

http://www.impawards.com/19...

[alan001]

because phil harrison said that they are working closely with rockstar for this title, shouldnt that mean they should have less trouble developing the ps3 title?

nah i dont think he was talking about the new exclusive but even if he was, sony still sends some of their devs to 3rd parties to help them eg. UT3.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

i thought that was in reference to the new PS3 exclusive (not LA Noire) they have in the works

[DiLeCtioN]

yh whatever

[Zhuk]

I think Pachter is right, but I do acknowledge it as speculation and we wont know the truth unless someone from rockstar speaks up. It is well known that the PS3 is more difficult to develop on and this is only compounded in regards to multiplatform titles.

Pachter says that the reason a 360 version cant be released earlier is because of possible contractual obligations Rockstar has to Sony, which is entirely plausible considering the history the two companies have.

[TheFamilyGuy]

From that fact that all the trailers shown have been X360 footage and that they even said the PS3 version was about '2 weeks behind' in development from the 360 version, I think that there is room to speculate they were having some troubles with the PS3 version that very well probably caused the delay.

[InSpectre]

Great. When Halo 3 gets delayed it will also be Sony's fault somehow.

[harpua]

its the DS version that is holding things up.

[Vip3r]

More anti-PS3 BS.

[harpua]

sony killed off the dinosaurs...

[the worst]

lolololol

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

Personally logically speaking the ps3 and the 360 can out put the same graphics's...(ps3 with slight edge, although yet to be seen)They only problem I see is the space issues for a game like this...but im not gonna blame any system ...but thats the facts

[toughNAME]

i wouldnt be surprised if they WERE struggling with the ps3 version
the vast majority of multiplatform games look better on the 360...why would this be different?

but again...this analyst is prob. just spitting bullsh!t

[ParaDise_LosT]

Watch what you say everyone
because if rockstar announces
PS3 is the one then You will have ALOT of Xboxfans bashing you
and

vice versa(if MS is the one)...

So keep the flaming to a minimum cuz in the end...

One of us is gonna suffer humiliation
(sony fans will get the most because of all this 'nah Ps3 is sooo great it don't make no mistakes'.....+ all the game delays it all ready suffred ...)

[devi8i]

SPECULATION

[IRONMAN457]

bullcrap, they are probaly havin 5 million bugs with the 360 version and the PS3 version they are tryin to expand, not sayin the 360 port is gonna suck, im just very pissed

[aiphanes]

We all know deep in our hearts that GTA4 is going to be a great game. If they delayed it so be it. Make this game perfect...

If the PS3 version is going to be better because of this delay...perfect!

[godofthunder10]

the reason why they can't release gta4 on the 360 first is because it's in the contract that both games have to be released on the same day, and it want effect the extra content on the 360 because it want effect the contract with microsoft after all.
every company that makes a game for the ps3 and announces a release date has problems with programeing the game and has to postspone it to a latter date because of it, for exsample look at lair it's postponed to

[Lumbo]

Only problem in your argument is that this so called "contract" is existing only in the rather strange world called "Patchers reality". Or to put it more plain: there is NO evidence for such a contract except as a nifty circular evidence that only works if you need it to justify the delay. With as much validity someone could justify a Halo3 delay cause evil world Supervillain Sony made a secret contract with Bungie to delay it ...

In the real world Take2 has a 50million contract with Microsoft, that alone weights more than you could ever grasp.

[Shadow Man]

Rockstar themselves said that the PS3 build of gta iv was 2 weeks behind the 360. Maybe Rockstar was lying to try to cover up their troubles with the playstation 3 version. I do believe the Ps3's development had something to do with this delay. Why would rockstar wait till now to delay it plus have all the publications test the game if it wasnt even close to done.

[killercam19]

i doubt the ps3 version caused such a big problem and even if it was just the ps3 version y wouldn't they release the 360 version early and finish up the ps3 version and release it next year

[N4Gworks4Sony]

thats why you need to read the article, it explains why. Gamesindustry is one of the most reliable and respected video game news sites out there.

[toughNAME]

read the article...and read above comments

it wouldnt make sense financially

[nice_cuppa]

i bet i can find 10 articles about ps3 games being delayed when 360 hasn't.

this time its taken 360 with it !

is graw 2 out on ps3 yet ?

[BIadestarX]

I hope that the contract between Rockstar and Microsoft was breach. That way microsoft can get their money back and make a deal else where... I would have being happier.. if Microsoft would pay that money to Square or Kojima to make an exclusive game for the xbox 360. DLC... big deal. I hope 1-2 days from now.. Microsoft annouces they are taking Rockstar to court... I don't think it will happen... but one can only hope... we don't even know.. what DLC is... So, one can't miss what you don't know.

[hotshot1237]

and didnt want the game 2 release around halo and if it did. the ps3 version of it might sell more then the xbox. yea, if anything microsoft probably did the bribe part of it....................AS USUAL

[sonarus]

if patcher uses that reasoning to come to the conclusion that ps3 caused GTA IV delay even though rockstar said they had complications on both systems before. Then am gonna say 360 caused Devil May Cry delay. Seriously i dnt see why everyone is in such a rush to play GTA don't get me wrong its a great game but it dosent have a unique story IMO its just a great sandbox game. As far as i am concerned april and october no difference. I know tons of you will disagree with my OPINION but you essentially get the same from saints row and GTA san andreas as you will from grand theft auto 4. GTA 4 will be the best of the lot but i just don't see the rush to get it. Also i doubt it will be as good as san andreas... once you go black you can't go back...one!

haha dnt need to off ma self am good. All i know is it was ps3 exclusive and had a release date for this yr then they annouced 360 version and then it got pushed back like to next yr or sumthin. Also we have been seeing playable versions on ps3 hardware for quite a while. So if you don't believe 360 didnt push back DMC4 YOU need to off yourself

[jlemdon]

dude Capcom already have dev. kits for 360 I don't see the point of saying DMC4 is delayed because of 360 whereas Rockstar don't have dev kits for PS3 there is a diff. If you don't think DMC4 ain't using the Lost Planet engine then you need to off yourself.

[chrisin3]

but i recently read an article on n4g that said ps3 development was only 2 weeks behind the xbox 360s. Does anyone remember that?

[mgillespie]

Developers have already made it known, that the lack of HDD and limitations of DVD9 are serious issues. I suspect Microsoft's soon to be annouced "Requries HDD" logo programme is a result ofthe GTA IV delay.

The PS3 is extremely unlikely to be the cause. The Edge toolkit is now a very mature product. Anyone still claiming the PS3 is diffucult to program for, is talking out their behind, and basing their opinion on something they read on the Xbox forums a year ago.

[sonarus]

As far as i am concerned the delay was 50 50. Take two is going through fincancial problems if they could have put it out this year they would have. Its 50 50 rockstar stated they had problems with 360 because of DVD-9 and HDD... yes they said it. Why is this such a suprise to anyone everygame seems to be getting pushed back so no big deal. Although april is pretty far but no one has the right to put it on ps3 because your arguments are baseless. All rockstar said was ps3 2weeks behing and not 6months behind. Even if they underestimated the difference 2weeks is not 6 months and is no where close to 6 months. Rockstar did however say DVD-9 and no HDD gave dem probs not probs that cant be fixed but probs. If you argue ps3 was at fault its just as easy to argue 360 was at fault. When in all reality rockstar was at fault

[StateofMind]

Why the hell should we trust what Patcher thinks happened? He has no clue. Personally, I think it got delayed so they could use the 360's HDD since Microsoft announced recently that they would allow it.

[Ludwig]

Euphoria + PS3 = BOOOM .. XD nothing else.

[power of Green]

But knowing all this new info its the PS3 thats holding GTA4 back as PS3 does with many other games.

[0LDSCH00L]

I think thiers some dirty sh*t goin on with Rockstar & I think MS should sue the ASSES off of them! cmon, 50 mil buys MS a nice hard fu*k in the ass!!!

[Panthers]

Why would you want to hurt a company that is going to produce one of the best games ever? I guess it would be better to release a half assed unfinished product...

[BigFART]

All of you XBOTS should be thankful GTA IV is coming to the 360. If it wasn't for Sony & PS2, there wouldn't be no GTA IV.

[power of Green]

They never showed the PS3 version of the game, not ever!. They announced that they would delay the PS3 version by a few weeks and then the dev finally looked at the game on the 360 and the PS3 and said these are not even the same games and scraped the launch thats what happend. Its bugs the sh*t out of me when people think or try to trick people in believing the PS3 is on the same level as 360.

[doublertist]

PS3 is not on the same level as 360, ITS WAAAAY ABOVE IT!

[Figboy]

a delay, following all of Rockstar's comments about how it is difficult fitting the game on a standard DVD...i wonder...lol

my thoughts on the matter are simply that it's such an overly ambitious game, that they're having trouble with it. on *BOTH consoles. end of story.

it's absolutely ridiculous for Patcher, and anyone else, to say what the reason is behind the delay, and he doesn't work for the company. it's irresponsible and foolish.

the truth is: the game was delayed because Rockstar isn't done with it.

and considering all i've read that they're trying to do with the game, i was surprised that it was originally slated for 2007 to *BEGIN with. what they're attempting to do, sounds like a 3rd, 4th generation game, not a 1st and 2nd gen game.

don't read too deeply into the delay, and be thankful that Rockstar is a company that has set high standards for themselves, and won't just EA or Activision a game, and release it when it's not anywhere near finished, just to have some good fiscal reports.

i don't think it's the 360, or the PS3's faults for the delay. just overly ambitious game design, and not enough time.

not *EVERYTHING is console war motivated, you know. sheesh.

[power of Green]

I doubt that!; its you Sony fan fucs that are luck you have GTA, it was offered to MS first as exclusive and MS turned it down.( the proofs not hard to find its not my job to make you a believer).

[BigFART]

You must be mental...

[doublertist]

no proof...no care

:Werd:

[Staircase]

Where in god's name did you think you found that proof? Dreams don't count.
Why in the world would Microsoft, somebody who pays millions for exclusives, turn them down? How the hell do you even turn someone down for exclusivity? You can't force a company to make their title multiplatform.

[gEnKiE]

wow...who is this dumba$$ anyways?

[shysun]

Just two weeks ago they said the 360 was 1week ahead of the PS3 version, now it was 6months behind? But wait instead of just releasing the 360 version, they delay the game completely?... Yeah sure Mike..ass!

[zslash]

It seems likely that PS3 was the root of this delay. Why has none of the released videos or screenshots been from the PS3 version? They have all been from the Xbox 360 version.

And the fact Sony didn't even have a GTA IV video at the E3 conference... well, as I said, it seems likely that PS3 was the reason behind this big delay.

Now that doesn't mean R* wasn't having issues with the Xbox 360 either, however, I think if it were just issues with the Xbox 360 we wouldn't have seen such a long delay.

[Bloodmask]

Look at Sony's past history of a lot of multiplatform games being delayed.

Raibow Six Vegas, Graw2, etc.etc.

Not to mention games being gimped down a la Madden, and NCAA.

I thik it is about time to stop blaming developers and point the finger at the real problem. The PS3 architecture is not developer friendly.

Sony has no one to blame but themselves for that.

[devi8i]

SPECULATION

[Staircase]

The first party devs don't seem to have a problem with it. They are making tons of amazing games.

[Bloodmask]

does comparing 3rd party development have to do with 1st party development.

This thread is about GTA4(a third party game).

And even besides that do you really expect Sony to bash their own hardware? I would trust a 3rd parties opinion over a 1st or 2nd party from both Microsoft or Sony. It is neutral.

Do you see?

[toughNAME]

you hit that outta the park Bloodmask

[doublertist]

yes ps3 doesnt have downloadable content but that doesnt matter cuz everything that 360 users are going to be able to download will already be on the ps3 disc. R* prolly already has the main game complete and thats why its ahead on 360 so R* can take their time making downloadable content for it. but the ps3 version is adding in everything in and making use of the 50GB capacity of blueray and completing the game so you wont have to find a mission and download all of the fmv's just to start your next mission because there isnt enough space on a hddvd...simply put its microsofts fault for wanting to release GTA4 so fast when they knew there was a simultanious release date for the platforms and its R* fault for agreeing to promote it as though it would be released that day too. dont be mad microsoft fans that R* decided to make the best use of the blueray disc

[hardwood2001]

i wanted halo 3 and gta IV this holiday season...

[Ignorant Fanboy]

!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Hopfully other publishers will see how bad this is for buisness and not sign a contract that prevents them to make money, all because it takes 12 years to make a 5 hour game on the PS3. They make 360 owners wait because they like waiting JUST WAIT JUST WAIT that is the PS3, just tank the PS3 already so we can game.

[toughNAME]

thank you very much Sony.

[deadeyes99]

stupid ps3 they shuld just release it for 360 anyways people want the game not excuses of inferior console issues jeeze

[Panthers]

This shows how stupid some people are to believe an analyst. 2 weeks behind does not justify a 8 month delay. The game has had problems with frame rates and other issues and the do not want to release an unifished game. They need to make IV perfect. Plain and simple. They have a lot of pride in GTA and they want IV to live up to it. This has nothing to do with Sony, but after hearing you retards complain, I am glad you have to wait.

[Kyur4ThePain]

all those people who believe this is caused by the PS3 had better pray that is the truth. So much noise is being made about what some analyst thinks, it would be HORRIBLE if the truth turns out to be something else (like not all 360's having a HDD and R* having to try and figure out a way around that. Or the fact that maybe they really need more space than a DVD offers).

[Vip3r]

I bet it will turnout to be another "Hate to say I told ya so" moment when we find out the PS3 hasn't got anything to do with it lol.

[Fux4Bux]

Yeah I seriously doubt it. That link was really speculative and iffy.

Really at this point if the game were actually finished Rockstar would probably just release the 360 version and screw over Sony. My guess is they're having troubles in everything. DVD limitations, no HDD Core, Cell, Memory usage, finishing the game, Euphoria engine being implemented a few months ago. Probably all combined reasons for a huge game to get a delay.

[X]

I speculate the game got delayed cause the developers want to deliver us a better game.

[anonymous]

What is known:
- L.A. Noire is exclusive for PS3 (at least for the time being)
- Rockstar has another exclusive game for PS3 in the works (maybe that western title announced in 2005)
- Downloadable chapters for GTAIV are exclusive for X360
- The X360 version of GTAIV is the one used for trailers and previews
- The X360 version of GTAIV has in its current state framerate problems
- The delay of GTAIV has not caused Rockstar to send any money back to Microsoft (in other words, they are still within the boundaries of their business contract)
- The PS3 version of GTAIV is about a couple of weeks after the X360 version in development
- Previously Sony and Rockstar have had a tight business relationship, with most of Rockstars console games originating on Sony platforms

What is generally considered to be a fact:
- Microsoft paid $50mill. for the exclusive GTAIV content and to be released day and date with the PS3 version (as announced by Peter Moore)

What is rumoured:
- Microsoft has resently sent a team of heavyduty engineers to assist Rockstar in developing GTAIV

How I connect the dots:

- Rockstar has been working on their PS3 engine for a looong time, and as part of their exclusive game deal with Sony, have gotten assistance from Sony in developing it for quite a while.

- Part of the deal between MS and Rockstar insures that GTAIV will not be released first on PS3, and that all public showing of the game will be on X360 hardware in an attempt to heavily associate GTAIV with X360.

- As witnessed by several independant previewers, the X360 version is having severe framerate problems even this late in its development. So much so, that MS had to send their top-engineers in an attempt to help out, and now Rockstar have come to the conclusion that they have to delay the title. As they are obligated by contract to release it day and date with the PS3 version, that one is delayed as well.

- The L.A. Noire being exclusive for PS3 has probably nothing to do with Sony's deal with Rockstar, but is more likely to be because of the developers previous close relationship with Sony (being a developer on the Sony developed and published The Getaway) - he simply prefers to work on what he is familiar with, Sony hardware.

And my random thoughts:
- Maybe the PS3 version has framerate problems as well... we just don't know...
- If the PS3 version has framerate issues, and the X360 version was fine, they would release the X360 version early.
- Even if the PS3 version is finished (which we know it is not) and working perfectly, it probably wouldn't be released early because of the business arrangements between MS and Rockstar.

My conclusion:
The X360 version is the cause of the delay and only Rockstar, Take2 and Sony knows if the PS3 version needs the delay as well...

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Did you read the article. Sony blocked the early release of gta 4 on 360 because of an exclusive contract deal for a dual release only. They could not release the 360 version legally even if they wanted to. And I seriously doubt there is major problems with the 360 version. They don't need microsoft holding there hand to make a game. But, sony needs to help because their devlopment tools suck. Many devs have had a hard time making sony games since ps1.

Poor devs kits,tools, reasources, and a deal designed so 360 does not leave them in the dust is why we wait. And that deal is suspect to me it is like sony knew their may be problems.

[lalaland]

It is an analysts thought on why GTAIV's delay -- not confirmed truths.

"Sony blocked the early release of gta 4 on 360 because of an exclusive contract deal for a dual release only. They could not release the 360 version legally even if they wanted to."
- Well, the only deal "announced" is the one between MS and R: "the publisher received USD 50 million (EUR 37.3m / GBP 25.2m) from Microsoft for exclusive GTA IV episodic content." As you are aware, the downloadable content mentioned is exclusive to X360.
http://www.gamesindustry.bi...
- And only Peter Moore has announced that the X360 version will be released day and date with the PS3-version: "Then, having that little announcement of making sure that Grand Theft Auto IV debuts on our platform on day one, October 19th in Europe"
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"And I seriously doubt there is major problems with the 360 version."
- Only the X360 version has been showed publicly and is widely reported as having framerate issues: "Visually, GTA IV's a shocker at the moment - sluggish, spasmodic frame rates, horrendous pop-up and bland interiors all brought back uncomfortable memories"
http://ps3.ign.com/articles...
- Even R themselves has stated that the X360 has caused its share of troubles: "Rockstar's creative VP Dan Houser believes the 360 is impairing the development of Grand Theft Auto IV."
http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

"They don't need microsoft holding there hand to make a game."
- A rumour, and I am fully aware it is just a rumour as I stated previously, says otherwise "Until earlier this week, when a source informed us that Microsoft had sent a shock team of engineers to help Rockstar complete the game"
http://blog.newsweek.com/bl...

"But, sony needs to help because their devlopment tools suck. Many devs have had a hard time making sony games since ps1."
- Harsh words from a non-developer ;-) Though it has been widely reported that the PS3 is difficult to develop on compared to X360, several developers has stated that they don't find it terribly difficult. Look it up...

"and a deal designed so 360 does not leave them in the dust is why we wait."
- Hardly... Show me any concrete interview from someone in the know (and which is not pure speculation like in this article) which points in that direction. Everything points to the deal being between MS and R.

"And that deal is suspect to me it is like sony knew their may be problems."
- What deal? It is standard practice that platformholders help out the developers -- MS provides tools, libraries and advice just as Sony does. It is not standard practice to send a big team out to do emergency help on a title for a specific platform, like MS is rumoured to be doing (like mentioned above).

To conclude:
This views of analyst Michael Pachter is pure speculation, and I stand by my first conclusion mentioned above.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Refer to my avatar please.

[IPlayGames]

look how worked up everybody gets over some dudes opinion NOT FACT opinion.

Now wuts gonna happen when R* releases a statement it was 360 fault or vice versa or maybe just maybe there own fault.

then where gonna have a post with 20 comments saying i told u so.

The FACT is the game is not coming out until next year.

Now i can buy DMC4 this year.

[etownone]

lets all blame the ps3....

i mean who really cares....maybe other kids out there that are waiting for this game, but for the rest of us....we know there are too many great games coming out for both PS3and 360 this holiday season.

[schabeugen04]

Man its always Sony and PS3 faults, The sun didn't come up sony's faults. My car ran outta gas blame sony, I'm an ugly fvck blame sony. I mean seriously people where does the hate stop? Sony delivered the last two gens now they are just the new bad guys of gaming? We all know they delivered. Sony is like Jordan back to back champions, did any of you ever doubt mike ? No. I mean i would just like somebody to give ps3 the benefit of the doubt for once. I wish rockstar would just come out and say who it was.

[paracardium]

A month ago rockstar was complaining about this issue of space for 360 and no complaints about ps3. You guys forget what you read in that short of time or what?

[beavis4play]

pachter is guessing just like everyone else. why does he say contractual obligations with sony is why ms doesn't get the game in oct.? there are no facts in print to show any merit to this statement. besides, ms paid 50 million for their extra content. that money ought to get the game out if it's ready. anyways, sony and microsoft put out systems,but it's up to the developers to get their games out. it sounds like rockstar has got issues with their development team, not sony or ms.

[AngryTypingGuy]

...because it takes half that time to correctly develop games for it.

This may be a good thing for 360 owners though. The fall lineup is already jam-packed. This'll give us something to look forward to in '08. Yes, ultimately is sucks that it's delayed, but what can you do.

[Figboy]

i'm staying out of this thread from now on.

too much foolishness to handle...

i mean, seriously, let's all believe the guy who doesn't even *WORK for Rockstar, Microsoft, and Sony, despite the fact that his usual "analysists" are wrong about 80% of the time.

this is absurd conclusion jumping.

Rockstar as stated, numerous times, that *BOTH versions of the console have their difficulties.

i genuinely believe that the delay is for benefit of *BOTH camps of console owners. nothing more.

and if it's the PS3's fault, why is this an issue? is it wrong that they want to give PS3 owners a *FUNCTIONING copy of their trademark title?

the fact is that a non-simultaneous release would hurt the PS3 enough.

we don't want one single console to dominate like last time, and the PS3 is the only "real" competition the 360 has.

thanks to that competition, both consoles have been bringing out their AAA game. i don't want the PS3 to "lose" anymore than i want the 360 to "lose."

the fact that this holiday season is bursting at the seams with quality titles makes me a bit *GLAD that the game has been delayed.

i'm actually thinking of Folklore, which got really good reviews and feedback, but has underperformed in Japan.

it's US launch is slated for mid-October, and it would have been absolutely *THROTTLED by GTA IV.

i wouldn't want another potential Beyond Good and Evil, or Ico fiasco to happen. two excellent games, released at the worst possible time (holiday diluge of titles), and suffered poor sales because of it.

even Okami and Viewtiful Joe got shortchanged because of market oversaturation.

the gaming industry needs to realize that not all of us are children, eagerly awaiting the holidays so we can get our "presents."

some of us, are grown fricking adults, who buy games *YEAR ROUND, and don't want to be forced to purchase all of their desirables at one go, *INCLUDING gifts for their own loved ones.

look at this: this is what i'll have to find a way to acquire this fall, because of the "holiday rush:"

Lair
Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Stranglehold
Oblivion: GOTYE
Blacksite: Area 51
Eye of Judgement (the Penny Arcade guys need *SOMEONE to play with. lol)
Ratchet and Clank Future
Folklore
Assassin's Creed
Lego Star Wars Complete
maybe Haze
maybe Unreal 3
Mercenaries 2
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

i mean come on! this is *ABSURD! each one of the games i listed above are games that i've had my eye on for *AGES, and they all come out during the wonderful months of August, September, October, and November.

a lot of those games i'm going to end up having to wait until *NEXT year to get, and that causes problems for *NEXT year, what with GTAIV, Infamous, Little Big Planet, FFXIII, MGS4, etc clogging the pipes up.

i guess i'm gonna have to whip out my prostitutin' boots, because there's no way i'll get enough dough to score all of the games i want this year, and i don't have *NEARLY enough friends to get them to pick me up the titles as gifts (hell, they'll be picking them up for *THEMSELVES). now, a nice year round schedule would have made this so much easier to swallow.

GTAIV next year is fine, as long as Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, and Ratchet make it out on time.

[Dragonopolis]

They just pushed the envelope when it came to adult type video games in an industry that still had the little kid attitude and Consumers who still didn't get the clue that console gaming had evolved into a more older/mature customer base.

Made sure their games ran stable and had just the right amount of detail but never did I ever feel Rockstar was at the level of Ninja Theory or equivalent.

Unfortunately, to unleash the power of the PS3 you need some real skills right now so many General Programmers/Developers struggle with the advance techniques needed to open up the PS3's true potential.

However, Rockstar is no slouch and they will find a solution that will give them what they looking to achieve on the PS3.

Would be nice if Sony would eventually get a Developement Tool set out that allowed the less technically inclined but very creative companies to use the PS3's power without have to tweak using raw code - especially since a lot of these companies are using some other companies game engine (a lot different than if Rockstar had their own engine and tools sets)

I believe that is what happen to Fatal Inertia. Company Couldn't get what they wanted out of just using Unreal Engine but didn't know enough about Unreal Engine as well as the Cell to properly tweak the game to do what they were hoping to accomplish.

So even if this is true it is not the PS3 fault other than it is very sophisticated machine but it is very powerful.
Its not Really Rockstars fault because at this time the PS3 caters to the more technical minded Companies/Developers who have been able to quickly adjust to programming the Cell process.

So PS3 people give it a rest, the games will come. After all we Xbox 360 users didn't really truly see what the xbox 360 was capable of till Gears of War.

Now we want more and we don't take no for an answer.

[FirstknighT]

With the recent problems that Lair has been having with framerate issues, it really is starting to show that the ps3 is a mess to develop for.

[btkadams]

its an analyst. who cares. they make a living making assumptions.

[ash_divine]

Wow, and here I thought it was unprofessional to take sides and point the finger. Hmm, guess I was wrong.

PS: Total BullSh!t

[UrbanJabroni]

We have a winner ladies and gentleman.

[atomdooze]

Who's on the PS3's side, who? Lots. Historically speaking, brand PlayStation has had the best third-party support over any other platform. That's what happens when your first two consoles sell bajillions. A higher install base means more sales of games and a better chance for game developers to make money. So given such strong support for PlayStation systems in general, it's no surprise that EA and others were/are heavy backers of the PS3 from the start.

But according to Bank of America, soft PS3 sales not only spell trouble for Sony but for the many third-party publishers supporting the platform, namely EA. Based on recent channel checks at 50 stores, 78% had PS3s in stock. Hence, "disappointing PS3 hardware sales are an incremental negative for all the game publishers." So much, in fact, that 2007 publisher stocks could take a substantial dive this year as 21% of their total expected revenues were pinned on the PS3.

As you can imagine, continued blame for the low demand was placed on the PS3's price point and and "lack of compelling software titles." The take-away: unless PS3 demand increases in lieu of early mishaps, publishers could also be left in the cold. Maybe more than just gamers are rooting for early price cuts now. The pressure's on.

[beavis4play]

who cares about development difficulty? all of you complaining aren't developers- your gamers! you don't have to worry about making them; you just play them. and to the many who are complaining about supposed ps3 development problems i have this to say. i'd rather wait a little longer for a game and be able to play it on the ps3 than to get it quicker for the x360 only to see the red ring of death when i turn the system on.

[Sully907]

This is the worst news title i've ever seen. You can't list an analysts opinion and present it as fact.

[gnothe1]

I want you guys to think about something. there was no doubt that this game was coming out for the PS3. but MS bought the rights to have this game day an date as the PS3 version.so from the start the ball was in sonys court an MS had to play along. there might have been something in the contract that states that it HAD to release simultaneously, regardless of any set backs, an MS cant do anything about it!! thats why the comments were made that they wasnt sending MS back any money, because all MS did was buy the exclusive right away from sony. I think RS is atill pretty much a big time sony supported but MS really pushed them to get this game at the same time as the PS3 an it costed them!! also theres no doubt that this is a huge game for both systems an if RS released this game on the 360 first then that would give MS basically A FREE timed exclusive an thats not gonna happen. you guys also have to realize that games like this really carries some weight. with a relatively new or unproven IP you wont have these type of problems but with a game like GTA, RS can call all the shots. who do you guys think can call the most shots DAVID BECHEM OR FREDDIE ADO!!

[The_Firestarter]

Honestly, I think R* should still release GTAIV for the 360 this year, but delay the PS3 version for 8 months. I guess it'll only be fair for the gamers, since the PS3 version is causing the delay, right?

[THAMMER1]

Multi core processing is a B!TC(#.

I wonder how they will scale the game for each console. One has 3 cores with 2 hardware threads each and 512MB of unified RAM and the other has 1 core with 2 hardware treads and seven spe's which are processors not cores with split 256 +256 = 512 RAM? Can they still keep the game at an decent or equal quality?

I just want the best GTA they can make.