Xbox 360 S really is scratching discs ... (Part 1)

... like Videogameszone's video review of the new Xbox 360 S - part 1 - is showing. The second part of this video you'll find on Cynamite.

[Why o why]

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you should NEVER move a switched on 360...EVER. Everybody knows this

[darthv72]

to try and prove a point, people will go to measures others wouldnt think of.

Common sense is lacking from this video.

[spandexxking]

@lachance
my ps1 and ps2 never scratched a disk and used to flip my ps1 upside down all the time.
also this problem usually occurs when people parents or animals move it/knock it over.

[Denethor_II]

What if its standing up and you're playing a Kinnect game. You jump and flay your arms around like an idiot, and the vibrations cause the thing to fall down.

[NexGen]

@den uk:

You probably need to be quite the fatty to do that lol

[FlipMode]

They should have fixed this titling problem with the redesign, the PS3 and Wii don't have this problem Xbox shouldn't either.

[Oner]

If I remember correctly there was some law in Europe that was brought against Microsoft for Disc Scratching that a TV show made for consumer affairs or something to that effect had described in detail...I have to go through some of my links to find it if anyone knows what I am talking about please post it. Either way the 360 being a "MODERN" piece of equipment should not do this in this day and age, especially when your direct competitors product does not scratch discs ~ http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[RedDead]

Those type of disk trays scratch disks if they're moved. The Ps1 didn't because the disk clicked onto the tray. The Original Xbox definately did and the Ps2 definatly did, the Fat 360 does too.

[Theonik]

Dammit you beat me to it, that was just what i was about to say. It is a basic flaw on all tray based drives. MS should have really learned their lesson after the Original 360 and have went with a trayless design like the Wii and PS3. That way they could also make the console even slimmer.

[sikbeta]

Hmmm... kind of OLD NEWS, we already know that happens...

[Why o why]

deflect more man. You comparing last gen consoles to this gen consoles...LOL @ you man. Its cheap hardware so you just have to be extra careful around it. Stop spinning all the time

[darthv72]

There have been many consoles that scratched discs. Especially ones that used trays but there were a few top loaders as well. The ones that didnt were also top loaders but had a spindle hub where the disc would snap onto. Just like a laptop cd/dvd drive or portable cd player.

I have not experienced any scratching from any tray based drive but then again I tend not to try and move my equipment while in motion. People may complain about the scratching a 360 (or any other tray based system) might cause but in all fairness. I would rather that that it be stuck inside a slot load drive.

I have had my share of cd's get stuck in the car but not the wii or ps3 yet. I understand you have to send those units into their respected companies to get the disc out. Is that true? At least with a tray, there is a way to remove the disc.

[Kleptic]

the video proves...the 360...still uses...a ghetto DVD drive...

so I agree its very old news...don't move your 360 when a disc is loaded...does it make it ok?...its nothing new that the 360 had corner cutting measures throughout since the day it was released...and that people still buy it...yeah its ok...

we all know the 360 will go down in history as probably the single worst video game console ever created when it comes to build quality and reliability...at least for any console that was competitive in its generation...but my 60gb PS3 ylod'd not too long ago, so I can't say I'm thrilled with Sony's reliability either...

the 360 is a chevy cavalier of video game consoles build wise...They are built from crap parts, are loud and annoying, and WILL break...

the early PS3's are 80's Jaguars...they have high end features, are built out of what on the surface looks like quality materials, but also WILL break...

fack both Sony and MS for this...its seems sony worked out the stuff with launch PS3's...and MS with the 360 at least for RROD (although didn't an S pop at E3 and giantbomb got it on camera?)...it sucks...I hate electronic failure...

[vhero]

First of all the point is you should be able to flip your console between sideways and flat even with a disc in the drive. Otherwise don't design it that way. No Playstation since PS1 has scratched discs when moving like on this video . He only moved it slightly. The PS2 used a disc drawer too! I am not sticking up for playstation here. My wii doesn't do this either as my kids have knocked it over a couple of times being very young it happens. There's nothing you can do it gets nudged or knocked over.

I am not complaining about the 360 in general here I just think when they redesigned it they should have at least redesigned the drive I mean DVD drives are so cheap nowadays there really isn't an excuse..

Also shame on whoever posted this for posting in PS3 section where it clearly doesn't belong unless you are after some sort of reactive from PS3 fans.

[irepbtown]

Why have a tray in the first place Microsoft, xbox is great but that puts me off.

Lachance, I use to flip both my PS1 & PS2, they never scratched.

Spandexxking
Why have it vertical in the first place. My PS3 is flat, so it definitely wont get knocked over.

[DaTruth]

My friend's brother couldn't bring his 360 to my friend's house because he had train tracks behind his house and the vibrations would scratch disks!

That's some serious reaching you guys are doing! I only had one disk scuff on my PS2 and that was because I knocked it of the shelf and it was hanging by the cord! That disk was easily fixed at my local game store for five dollars(It was Vice City, I couldn't lose that game), unlike the disk scratching in 360's that obliterates the disk surface!

You guys need to face the possibility that MS did it on purpose so when it ruins your favourite game and you repurchase it 3-4 times, MS can say, "We sell more games than teh Sony!" Which they actually don't worldwide(but that is according to VGChartz, so I retract that statement).

[Bloodraid]

To everyone who is claiming that the PS2 scratches discs when moved, you're wrong. So stop spewing shit that you heard someone else say. [See related video]

As for the 'Why would you even want to move your System anyway' bullshit, that's not the point. It's a strawman fallacy, nothing more, nothing less. The point is that this problem should not exist to begin with. Accidents happen and the console may fall over if an animal bumps into it, or you accidentally bump it if it's on the floor, etc.

Anyone who disagrees with this cannot accept facts, and that's sad.

[Greek99]

I could care less if it scratches or not. Its not stopping me from buying since my old 360 RROD for the first time. And I seriously doubt others will as much as they wont want to buy it.

Such an inconvenience but oh well. What can we do. I used to play on a upside down PS1. Didnt bug me and neither should this. But each to their own.

Sh!ty hardware from Microsoft, why am i not surprised....why is anyone surprised?

[Bloodraid]

You could care less?

You realize that means that you do, in fact care, right?

[PS3istheshit]

My ps3 once dropped from a 5 story building and I still beat lazaravich in uncharted 2 on expert level. ^^

[FrankenLife]

The old 360 would scratch disks because there was no lens guard. I was curious about if they changed that with the new one, but looks like it uses the same drive.

[RedDead]

@ Bloodraid

Why the Hell are you lying? I've broken a few disk's moving my Ps2 sideways. It usually gets a circle scratch

[Hitman0769]

@Lachance

Explain why you were able to play with the PS1 upside down or sideways and it could fall over and smash on the floor and yet your game continued without a problem?

Maybe PS3 and 360 just aren't built as well as the old systems, or PS2 either for that matter. Just saying...

Personally I am very careful with my things these days but when I was a kid with PS1 I was pretty stupid and used to try and get creative with it.

[ThanatosDMC]

I'm curious what the cause is though... must be something sticking out inside. Laptop/desktop cd/dvd drives dont do this.

[HSx9]

tried this with my ps3, didn't work.

[RedDead]

PS1 had a little circle thing that held the disk in place. That's why it didn't scratch them. Ps2, Xbox etc don't hold the disk properly, so if its moved crossways or anything,the disk bounces(moves a little out of place) and the little thing that reads the disk scratchs it.

[rockleex]

They move your 360 in order to vacuum that spot.

The thing is, you were playing Halo on it.

Bye bye Halo!

[insomnium]

In addition that means +1 to the sales of Halo :)

[Hideo_Kojima]

today while play a game i actually moved my PS3 and than I remembered... if this was a 360 my game would be gone.

It surely sucks to lose games because you sometimes forget not to move consoles while playing games.

[Bloodraid]

Did you bother watching the video I linked? It clearly shows him putting a disc in, moving the console around quite violently, and showing the unscratched disc at the end.

If you have any issues with your PS2 scratching discs, it was faulty. The PS2 will generally not scratch your disc if you shake it. The 360 on the other hand will break your disc almost every single time.

[red2tango]

it's funny because i can move my ps3 and it doesn't scratch games lol just shows the cheapness of the hardware.

[Bobets]

My PS3 and Wii don't fuck my disc up when I move them heck even my 10 years old original PS1 doesn't.

[maxcer]

@1.2.1 lol dude the only way i could play my ps1 was upsidedown

[logikil]

Sorry, but this is just a retarded statement. So you can move your console around without it scratching the disc, congratulations but is this something you do regularly, and if so, why exactly? Yes I have seen the arguments about the console falling accidentally, and I still say that if your console is in a place where it could fall accidentally, you may want to rethink where you put it. It doesn't reflect on the cheapness of anything. They were provided a particular type of drive that doesn't handle being moved while in use. Shocking really considering its not a discman or something.

[killershadow117]

The only way that's possible is if the console claps down your disk or the console doesn't read your games.

[Biggest]

I move my PS3 60g because it starts to get hot. When I have it laying flat, which I do because it fits into my entertainment center that way, it will get hot from time to time depending on what I am doing. I have to move it out of the entertainment center and stand it on its side for better cooling (the fan gets retarded loud). I don't think I should have to turn the system off to do such a thing.

[ravinash]

Why would it be acceptable to MS to put in a dive that scratches disks when moved it its a product aimed at families.
Try telling a excited 10 year old not to move the thing.

[The Maxx]

"Try telling a excited 10 year old not to move the thing."

- Maybe instead of trying to tell a 10 year old kid not to move the expensive piece of hardware, you should be monitoring that kid like an adult and ensure the kid doesn't.

[thorstein]

Period.

[pippoppow]

Just look at MS fanatica defending cheap components in the 360s. There will move times it may get bumped or moved for whatever reason. In todays age optical drives should be able to withstand some movement. 360 fans defend shoddy hardware, online tax and lack of exclusives like it's no big deal. Hope MS treats their fans better next gen.

[thewhoopimen]

Maybe instead of having to monitor your kid every time they play the 360S, You don't buy the slim and you get a PS3. /s

[Sez]

Here we go with " bu bu bu the ps; don't scratch disk" statement. Guy do some research instead of posting stupid comments. Sony has a special coating on the blu-Ray disk that prevents scratching and breaking of the disk. This is the reason why blu-Ray disk don't break or scratch.

I told this to another guy on this site after he PM me and provided a link to it. First thing he did was start name calling because I made him look retarded. Then told him to do the research.

[mantisimo]

Got any children have you? If you have I would hate to be one of them.

This should NOT happen in this day and age, it is disgustingly shoddy of Microsoft to save literally a few pennies on a cheap, nasty drive when a clip in drive or slot drive that holds your disc is a few pennies more at cost.

[BigPenguin]

@maxx

Your an idiot. It does not matter why. I live in southern California, we have had 3 earthquakes since the new year. I was playing my PS3 when one of them hit, knocked both my PS3 and 360 over (I have them vertical). What if I had been playing my 360 at the time? Why don't you spout off more of your condescending bullshit. It does not matter the reason the console is moved, the fact is that it should not have a problem at all in the first place.

@vega75

Stop being a fucking liar. Of course blu-ray has a coating, but guess what retard, PS2 games, DVD video, and PS1 games don't. The PS3 does not scratch those either. I can use a blu-ray disk as a coaster(honestly, fucking women, why would you think its ok to use planet earth as a coaster, I have a god damn glass tabletop, it does not need one in the first place) and it will still work fine. The coating is not there to protect it when it is in a player(PS3 or standalone), its there to protect it when its not. You said you made the other guy look stupid with articles and such, so I issue you a challenge, make me look stupid.

@everyone
XBL: Icybird penguin
PSN: BigPenguin
I am not a fanboy towards the PS3, I think my 47k gamerscore can prove that. If you look however, I have not been playing much on my 360 lately, at all. It has not had an exclusive worth getting in ages. I played ME2 on my comp, and I played alan wake at a friends, and pass on that game. All multiplats I get on the PS3 now.

I am not a PS3 fanboy, I am a Microsoft hater. Now I am sure some of you may just write that off as the same, but I think it is very different. This issue this article is about, the disk scratching, is merely another note on a long list of bullshit things MS has done to gaming. The shutting down of studios, this hurts gamers. The purchasing of exclusive DLC/timed exclusives/exclusive games paid to go multiplat, this hurts gamers(I can go on and on about this one, but I am really trying to keep this short). People keep saying that competition is good, no matter what. The people who say this never took econ(econ major, UCSD, graduated June), those that have know exactly what I am talking about(no, I wont go into it, I literally wrote a 17 page paper on this subject(competition not always being good)). Competition can hurt the consumers, and often does.

I tell you all this so hopefully there is a bit of perspective on what I am about to say: Microsoft is ruining gaming, and every time one of you trys and defends their business practices, such as making a console that destroys games if you touch it when in use, you help them do it.

[jneul]

so what happens if you knock it by accident then, one of my kids knocked my ps2 over once while it had FFX in it but it survived (I mean the disk)

[logikil]

Actually they did it on purpose. He states don't try this at home or anywhere else, so they knew what was going to happen. Honestly, big deal. Everyone knows this. Don't do it.

[forcefullpower]

I really dont understand why you defend the 360 for scratching discs. I have had CD walkmans, portable DVD players. Even including my game consoles from years ago that also used the technology never scratches cd or dvds.

Can you explain to me why when one product scratches them you defend it saying you shouldn't move it. You should be be saying that is not except-able and get them to fix the issue.

I think it must be down to the amount expendable cash people have these days that they don't care how well built things are any more. If it breaks just by a new one.

[logikil]

The expendable cash argument goes the other way as well. If you just spent 300 dollars on a console and value your purchase why would you:

1. Put it in a place where it could be knocked, kicked, fall over

2. Put it in a place where it would overheat requiring you to move it while playing so it doesn't die on you (referencing a comment up above)

Consoles are not portables they are not meant to be moved while playing regardless of the reasons anyone chooses to give for why they would. I pay a lot of money for the crap that I buy and I wouldn't move my 360, PS3 or Wii while it was turned on and spinning a game. It's just common sense. Period.

[mantisimo]

If I was to put my consoles in a place where they could not be knocked, kicked or fall they would have to be kept in the attic, hmmmm hang on though, then the bats might bash it.

No, consoles are not portable (except for the portable ones:) but that doesnt mean to say they should F*$* your discs with a small knock or movement.

I don't care who makes this console it should NOT happen.

And I'm sorry to hear that you are having your period,(your last sentence) take some evening primrose oil it helps ones moods.

[redsquad]

Barring tests such as this and bloody minded kids, I don't think that anybody 'plans' to knock over their gaming console - When it happens it is, by definition, an accident and such events should be anticipated in the console design.

[spectyre]

Why would they not have fixed this problem on a box that is "kinect ready"? Okay so they put a warning on the console but they are introducing a device that will have two people running(in place), jumping, dancing, etc. just a few feet away from the console. I can see this as (potentially) another scandal for MS.

[NYPunkster]

how sad that this is a reality for xbox users but you get what you pay for.

@WhyOwhy

Everybody knows that a disc player shouldn't scratch the hell out of your discs.. right?

[Why o why]

it definitely shouldn't

[ghandistash]

He didn't tilt it fully though... what if you were to accidentally knock the 360 when it's in the upright position? People make mistakes, and they shouldn't have a game completely taken away from them because of it.

[Inside_out]

C'mon now, what's next...the 360 won't play discs with jam on them?

The world has gone mad. I remember reading about a guy who thought it would be a good idea to stick his pecker in a vacuum cleaner...yeah exactly...funny thing, the vacuum cleaner had a device inside that spun and broke up larger bits, of course, it chopped the tip of his dick off...LOL...guess what...he's suing the manufacturer because he claims he didn't know and it's there vault...TRUE STORY.

[GarandShooter]

So when does your lawsuit settle?

[DaTruth]

BEST COMMENT EVER!!!!!!!!!

I am going to track you so I can give you bubbles again at a later date!

[MRMagoo123]

cez you made a comment that affirms the point ppl are giving about the disc scratching ppl do stupid things be it by accident as is most common or on purpose because there dumb, the whole point is even if its not meant to be moved it will eventually unless you glue it down or something because as they say accidents happen get that into ur head along with the other ppl defending this sh1t its crazy things happen if you want them to or not there fore the solution would be dont install a dvd drive that kills ppls games.

[gtamike]

Earthquake!!! "ah everything is ok ah wait nooooo my disk!"

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

People are grasping at straws again since nobody in their right mind moves a spinning disc, but even then I don't understand why MS just didn't fix this issue?

With that said, this reminds me of the guy that decided it is a good idea to trim his hedges with a lawnmower. Needless to say, the results wasn't good.

[BannedForNineYears]

You don't have to worry about this on the PS3. -_-

[DFresh]

Yeah but that's still no excuse I should be able to move any of my gaming platforms without breaking them.
I do this w/ my PS3, Wii, and PC all the time and no problems.

[AAACE5]

I don't care what kind of product it is, you could scratch a disc or throw the eye off track and create another problem.

On a side note, I have owned an Xbox 360 since launch and have had the red C (i'm tired of hearing RROD, so red C will do) twice. I have never had a disc scratched because I don't do stupid sh*t like moving a console around with a disc spinning!

[Monk3y]

What if your dog/kid for example hits the xbox and it moves? this shouldnt happen.. even tho its not that big but it shouldnt happen...

[J-Smith]

just bin it LoL

[zeeshan810]

I thought MS said if you only shake your Xbox 360 then your disc will get scratches.

[Foliage]

What a complete POS. They are cutting even more corners.... yikes... they already had a circle.

[Heisenberg]

seeing as doing so scratches discs. But that's not the point, the point is it should not ruin your games when it's moved, at least not so easily. I don't see why people defend this, no other console suffers from this problem, it's preventable, as a consumer you SHOULD demand better, why get defensive about a design flaw. Consoles get moved sometimes, it's a reality.

[fatstarr]

Vflameh Ex
Vunderfulh
Nintend walka

lol the language barrier
silently laughing.

[jjohan35]

I move my portable DVD player, my CD player before Ipods came around, even PS3 around. Why should the 360 be any more fragile than comparable media devices?

[MazzingerZ]

"you should NEVER move a switched on 360...EVER."

You can do it with the PS3...PS2....PSone....

"Everybody knows this", "Everybody knows this"
"Everybody knows this"

then why MSFT didn't fix it? isn't a new model? why the disc doesn't go in a lock like on the PS consoles?

You remind om of my users, they don't report obvious bugs in the system because everybody knows that you shouldn't press a certain function key on certain screen when you are performing a certain tasks...

then comes a new employee and "WTF just happened? I just pressed that function key to make an enquiry"

And you know what? they get the system they deserve because we can't/will never fix stuff just because we are nice, they have to report and pay for it...are they happy as it is so good for us, we have other things to do.

That's the X360 generation, mostly those new into gaming and have never experience a PS or Nintendo...X360 breaks? "thank god I have my backup"

That "everybody knows it" doesn't mean that it's acceptable in a "new" model.

[Volomon]

There just prodding it to show how much of a piece a junk the Xbox360 is, he later points out how shitty the HDD is, compared to the freedom of choice a PS3 has.

[aviator189]

Of course it's going to get scratched if you move the system like that with a disc in there...idiots.
Anyways, there is already a very old video that shows the same thing.

[FangBlade]

What are you talking about he didn't shake it

[Square]

Yeah, and I don't believe there's an old vid - since it's the new model that has just been released by MS...

[aviator189]

@Square...
The vid at e3 2010 that showed the guy moving the 360 and the Alan Wake disc got scratched just like this one..

[MRMagoo123]

this is in reply to all those defending this saying "you shouldnt move it while the discs are spinning" 2 words that make all your defending null and void " accidents happen".

[The Meerkat]

I dropped my Wii out of a third floor window and it broke.

F### YOU NINTENDO!!!!

A PS3 would never have broken.

[Downtown boogey]

I just can't fathom why you'd do that

[FlipMode]

Are you really comparing tilting to dropping out of a window?

[The Lazy One]

dude... what if your dog knocked it out of your hands while you were standing on a balcony.

It's totally shoddy hardware. It's just unacceptable for something to break like that in this day and age........................... ............................... ............................... ........

[Foliage]

I guess that makes you shoddy hardware Lazy One, because you are definitely pretty broken since your mom dropped you.

Defend the company that rapes you constantly. It's called "Stockholm Syndrome".

They call it the 360, because Microsoft cut every corner.

[The Lazy One]

They haven't raped me at all. I paid money for a system that does exactly what I paid for it to do.

[Denethor_II]

Fucking right it wouldn't!

[DelbertGrady]

If you understood english you could have figured this out by reading the warning right next to the disc tray that tells you not to move the console while it's loading a disc.

More quality content from Cynamite.de.

[spandexxking]

if MS spent 25 cents on a bushing this wouldnt happen either. but hey, whatever make the xbox profitable for them eh?

[Denethor_II]

Who loves M$, who's a GOOD BOY!

[Godmars290]

yeah, it ate your disc *after* you moved it!

Granted, MS should have made the 360 slim with that in mind - but that doesn't change the fact that you moved it!

[ChronoJoe]

Yep, at gamestation near me they're advising you don't buy the new units. Because I quote "it'll wreck your discs", "we've had a lot of returns".

You shouldn't be moving your console, whilst it's on - sure. But it happens, consoles get knocked, due to people walking across, animals etc etc, and every time that happens a disc breaks. At least with the old units it didn't happen with anywhere near such consistency.

[logikil]

Give me a break man, honestly. So they are going to tell people not to buy a new system, that has a very specific warning on it not to move your console while a disk is inserted, because people are stupid and can't read? If so that's the most ignorant retail site ever.

[ChronoJoe]

It was gamestation, a subsidiary of game, the largest UK retailer.

The person at the time was questioning what 360 to buy, and they advised against the new one. Selling the woman an arcade instead, after providing the advice against the 360S.

At gamestation, they're not standard, or well trained employees. There the 'gamers retailers', if they don't like a game. They often offer there opinion on both hardware and software.

They advertise the store with slogans like 'ask the gamers', so giving there opinion like that is the stores thing. They're always honest to me about which games they think suck, and whatnot.

[The Lazy One]

that guy is an idiot. Old 360's will do it too.

The new one is by far a better deal.

[Bobets]

I moved my PS1,PS2,PS3,Gamecube and Wii before while it's reading a disc and it didn't screw up at all why can't the BOX do it?

[120FPS]

Geez the next time i play halo i must remember not to pick up my xbox and shake it like im having an epilectic fit!!

Fcking tubes, and the fand1cks on here will lap it up like a cat fiding cream

[maxcer]

this guy should post a video of himself driving in his car and slamming it into reverse and complaining about it.

[PSjesus]

And never scratched a disk even if i shake it like crazy.
I really cant understand the unique technology behind 360.....trash cans -_^

[bobdog626]

Nobody is Stupid Enough ...Oh Let me Stop there.Lmao

[Ethereal21]

Anyone with a good head on their shoulders would know to "try" not to move a console with a disk inside, its common sense. ALTHOUGH, every system I have ever owned could be moved to 45 degree angle without my disk's soul being destroyed. Not only that but the original 360 had this problem as well. Ladies and Gentlemen, that's how you redesign.... by simply not fixing problems...LOL.

[BeaArthur]

Anyone who moves a device while a disc is spinning is an idiot.

[Bobets]

Any one who makes a machine that damages the disc when you move it while 10 years old products(PS1) doesn't is an IDIOT.

[Chubear]

The bigger idiots are the ones who buy such products and then say "why yes, it SHOULD scratch your discs if you move the console while it's operating. You'd be crazy not to expect that"

Gaddamned suckers.

[CHARLIEBROWNE]

What about joggers with personal CD players? that's simple tech microsoft should've implemented a long time ago.

[BeaArthur]

Obviously I wasn't talking about CD players. Everyone wants to jump all over Microsoft for this but the fact is that he was doing something he shouldn't have been with the console and if screwed up his disc. End of story.

[irepbtown]

He didn't move it THAT much,

[Hallucinate]

yea its not so much of people moving it intensionally cant tell you how many time my ps3 got move due to people not paying attention..

[csreynolds]

Never touch a running Xbox. Bad things will happen. I'm pretty sure I could throw my PS3 while it's running without causing damage to the disc inside.

Would probably need to spring for a new PS3 afterwards though... :)

[CHARLIEBROWNE]

Imagine having a disc tray in your car?

[sjeen66]

he barely moved it and it infected the disc with the rod ..
damn good job MS

[Rubberlegs]

The problem is there is nothing that helps stabilize the disc. It was the same with the original 360's and now with the slims they didn't add anything to the disc tray that would help stabilize it.
Wii and PS3 are completely different since its slot loading and doesn't use a disc tray.

Would be nice if they can fix it but its never been problem for me. My 360 has always sit under my TV, there's never been a way for it to get knocked off. Never had any random scratches happen.

[OhMyGandhi]

for me, my ps1, ps2, xbox, gamecube, and ps3 have been FINE at ANY angle.
don't use the "it's a common sense" saying, because it's common sense that people should expect MORE from a company's whose hardware is faulty out of the box.
It's always rather humorous how said people are so quick to defend a console they themselves most likely had problems with AT SOME POINT in their lives.

I HAVE a 360, and all consoles mentioned above, and my 360 is oddly the only one that in one foul sweep has changed my mind about Microsoft's ability to make hardware, and an uneasiness about trusting them again with my hard earned cash, it doesn't matter if it's the s version of the 360, or their "kinect", Be weary of issues like "moving a console while playing" and do NOT dismiss it, because before you know it, dozens of issues will come up, all with proclaimed "well, it's common sense, or what do you expect?" sort of sayings. Meanwhile, Microsoft is devouring our dollars while concluding that their new iteration is not only the best thing since sliced bread, but the most sturdy, secure, and well designed of the group.

That's my two cents, anyways.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Earthquakes are prevalent in California. I can count 3 big quakes we've had in the last 30-days alone. The people saying "DON'T MOVE THE CONSOLE!" really shouldn't be so aggressive. The only reason we're making this a big issue is because we WANT Microsoft to care about build quality. Millions have suffered because of the lack of quality from Microsoft and the 360, and we'd all like to see safe, quality products going into the future.

[mantisimo]

Dude what the Hell is your avatar? It looks like a little man forcing his head into a larger mans bottom!

[Spartan DL]

Most hardware with diskdrive have a stabilizer that keeps the disc from moving and hitting the disc reader which causes the scratching. This includes PS3, DVD players, CD players, and the Wii. For whatever reason, Micro$oft decided to not include one on the 360. I don't believe it makes it faulty, only people should be more careful. I don't move any of my gaming consoles while there is a game playing, so I don't understand why others would want to.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Placing small rubber bumpers on opposing sides will eliminate this and you can play grab ass with the 360 all day without a scratch disk. True MS should have installed them but, you can do yourself if you don't mind voiding the warranty.

http://www.llamma.com/xbox3...

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Yet again. Why is it that people play grab ass with a 360 knowing it will scratch the disk everytime then act suprise when it happens!?

[D-ROB]

Hahahahahahaha! Nothing's changed then....staying well clear off anything to do with MS....

[ElementX]

Even Windows? Are you running Linux or a Mac?

[ElementX]

I have a PS3, Wii, and 360. Sure the Wii and PS3 don't scratch discs, but who moves a console while gaming anyway? Technically it "could" happen, but trying to scratch discs because you are doing something you really shouldn't be doing is BS.

[thebudgetgamer]

if you are playing a game and someone accidentally bumps your console it shouldn't be sixty bucks down the drain.

[ElementX]

If you have your console in your entertainment center it shouldn't get "bumped". Even if you stand it vertically, who "bumps" a console? Do people actually put their 360 vertically? I don't know about the rest of you, but my 360 and PS3 are on my TV stand shelves, horizontal. My Wii stands vertically, but it's where nobody will ever bump it.

[thebudgetgamer]

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[Hallucinate]

yea kids will go way out of there way to bump something... and like someone else said, what about (small) earthquakes..

[thebudgetgamer]

it happened to me once (episodes from liberty city) and it sucked.

[bjornbear]

playing 360, his friend ACCIDENTALLY bumped it with his hand before opening the tray.

game gone

[jaosobno]

The other day I accidentally shoved my PS3 while bad company 2 was running, and guess what happeneded to the disc inside?

Nothing.

So don't spew out this crap how you cannot move ANY consoles a single inch without sctraching dics. That's xbox exclusive this gen.

[Trroy]

...because it's well-known that it will cause horrible disc scratching, because the 360 DVD drives have always lacked safety bumpers, to save MS about $0.50 per console... if that.

Not really news. It is true, however, and always has been.

[Equinoxe_7]

It's not well known if you don't know it, does the shop where you buy it, say, don't move the console when disc is running?

[0oAngeluso0]

I guess some people will go to any length to prove something or another. In reality, the new 360s is very sound in design and works well. I've had mine since they came out and no issues, and that's with leaving it on overnight as well.
I guess I could drop mine out of a window and have it break, should they put a warning out for that too?

[bennj]

Look at this picture : http://img195.imageshack.us...

[bjornbear]

thats there only for lawsuits sake.

does that sticker stop the disk from being scratched? NO.

does it prove MS warns its consumers thus causing them to be "innocent" if someone sues? YES.

as I said before, the sticker won't stop your disks from being scratched, and if you are unlucky enough that it does happen (and its happened to a friend of mine, and many others) that sticker won't do sh!t to make anything better.

[BX81]

This is lame. F*cking Nazi's don't move your xbox when it's on its that simple. My 360 takes bumps all the time and doesn't scratch my disc. Who da F*ck is moving the 360 back and forth when they play? Is it a new Kinect game or something? My PS3 doesn't do that... Snarf Snarf! Are you moving your PS3 when you play it? If the 360 is a cheap piece of hardware because it scratches when you move it from verticle to horizontal then the PS3 is a piece of sh!t because if you hit it with a hammer it breaks. I've seen lap tops that work fine if hit with a hammer. This is redic. Just fanboys tryn to find a reason to hate some more for a company that doesn't pay them to do it!

[Biggest]

Because everyone knows that standing a PS3 on its side is the same thing as hitting it with a hammer. You are SOOOOOOOOO smart, BX81!

[BX81]

My point is this saying the 360 is a crappy piece of hardware because you can't turn it from the horizontal position to the vertical or vise versa is lame. Who honestly feels the need to do that? If that's like complaining the PS3 is crap because it doesn't work after a hammer hit. My point is no one does this on purpose but tards. Now the early 360's dvd drives that just scratched for no reason is insane crap but this just seems like a tutorial for idiots imo. Maybe next time i'll include the word sarcasm for the few who aren't inclined to see the obvious.

[Voiceofsoi]

Of course no one does this on purpose. The thing is, why should you have to be so cautious?

I move my Ps3 with the disc spinning all the time, just to adjust it, make it look nice on my table, move it to make space for something else like if i want to plug a camera into the TV.

Sometimes I pick it up while it's running, if I want to switch from WiFi to direct internet when my router feels like it's getting too hot.

These are things I don't even think about, things I just did as soon as I bought the console, because that's how reliable consoles are supposed to be.

[megazeroxuxm]

how the heck do u even scratch a disc? i mean i opened up my ps1 slim, and i see nothing there but the magnet spinner and the lazer. sure if u flip the ps1 upside down, the only thing that'll happen is the disc fall off of the spinner and cause a racket, but idk how that would scratch the BOTTOM of the disc, there's like NOTHING there. isnt the 360 slim suppose to be something like that? arnt ALL disc players like that? my walkman had the same thing as the ps1, my portable dvd player with the screen on it has the same thing. i didnt even know until now that it is even POSSIBLE to scratch a disc when it's inside the console. i've always thought that the console would protect the disc, if anything happens, not the other way around. this is ultra fail, idk why you people are defending it, you should throw ur 360 at MS and tell them to fix, and then maybe they'll make a good 360, then u can buy it, and if ur kids or pet knock it over, you can still finish your game. common are you guys THAT stupid? THEY ARE FUCKING WITH YOU AND YOU DONT SEE IT! THEY MADE THEIR FREAKING XBOX FOR 2YEN (btw worth more than $2 at this moment)AND SOLD IT TO YOU, PRACTICALLY A DOA MODEL THAT THEY POOPED OUT IN THEIR FREE TIME, FOR $200 AND YOU SUPPORT THEM?!?!? WHAT KIND OF DUMBASS ARE YOU!?!? DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY PUT THE WARNING?!? they put it there so that people wont be surprise and they wont have to fix it! something goes like this {{ Customer: hey ur product scratched my disc. Tech support: well did you tilt it? Customer: yah but only a little it happens to my wii ALL the time. Tech: well there's nothing we can do, we already told u not to move it. Customer: WTF?! }} this is the gayest bullshit i've ever seen. again HOW THE HELL DO YOU SCRATCH A DISC?!? do they have like a knife that pops up inside the tray every time you tilt it or something? is there like a sensor or like a wiimotion + or something that senses that u are tilting more than .000001 degree and activates a lazer beem or a knife of some sort? HOW THE HELL DID THEY SCRATCH THE DISC?!?

[Voiceofsoi]

Nice rant.

Defending this is absolutely ridiculous.

There's another video of someone doing this at E3. He tries to put it from lying to standing position. He doesn't do it very fast. After about an inch of movement you can hear the disc being torn up.

This is something that could happen very easily. Most students, for example don't have any surfaces in their dorm for both a TV and a console, so they put it on the floor.

It just goes to show that most 360 owners are Nublets. They can't remember a time when wired controllers meant consoles got knocked around all them time. Sure wireless controllers made it safer, but if consoles 3 generations ago didn't scratch discs when moved, there's no excuse for the 360 to do so. The original Xbox was WAAAAAAAAY more reliable than that.

Bottom line is: the 360 has ALWAYS been manufactured under the Microsoft / American product mentality: If you want something done cheaply, make it shoddy, and extend the warranty so that the idiotic poor consumers don't complain as much, and the idiotic rich consumers just buy a new one to bypass all the bullshit. Everything mass produced in America is done so under this mentality.

You want reliability? Go Japanese. End of story.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

But, consoles 3 generations ago did scratch disc. Given we are in the 7th gen of consoles. 4th gen had the Sega mega drive which ate the shit out of disc when it was moved. And it is Japanese made. So now what?

[Neko_Mega]

Once again 360 fails, PS3 doesn't mess up your disc when move and a Wii doesn't if you don't shake it or move it to much.

That is one of the things I hate about the 360, I do think it was funny when my friend played a game on his friend's 360 and something scary the cr@p out of him. In the end Fable 2 didn't make it.

Just to add to that, that was when it first came out and new copy to, he pull the system because the controller wasn't wireless.

[clarkjudo]

Who in their right mind would flips a game console while running, on its side and back again? And think nothing going to happen. Personal CD players are designed differently and are expected to be used differently than a game console. This proves only that if your fooling around or not thinking straight. You will damage something.

[nygamer28]

this guy a fucking retard...i hope theres no part 2 to this

[Alos88]

Remember; if you move your console whilst a disk is spinning inside it will always get scratched.

[WLPowell]

You own the other two consoles. because they use hardware fixes from over a decade ago.

[Alos88]

Who the hell clicked the disagree button? I was giving some helpful advice! Some of the people on this site are freaking idiots I swear...

[acere]

the more disc scratch the more $ m$ makes ..same whit rrod ,of course they this

[prettyboy1]

because if yuo do then ms will feel that they can get over on you each and every time.

[cossie123]

what a knob jockey in the video lol

[xg-ei8ht]

It's not the point whether or not you should pick it up, it should not happen regardless, it's just a cheaply made pos.

[Gen0ne]

... another bullshit article. I was actually starting to worry about my new "S". So in summary, if you're an idiot, your 360 will scratch discs. Easily avoided and done. Next.

[Vip3r]

In this day and age, stuff like that shouldn't happen. It can't be too difficult to fix that problem.

[General Shrooms]

Fan boys are stupid, its not a good thing that the Xbox 360 scratches disks when you move it but there is no reason for the Xbox to be moving in the first place.

[thewhoopimen]

Well here's the real kicker in my opinion. Microsoft could've easily elected to design the 360 S case and make it unable to stand on its side.... which would pretty much solve the problem too... But did they? Hell no. Moneyshaker!

[hybridtheory12]

Its not that "you shouldnt move it" Its NOT SUPPOSED to be there at all. Dont cover it up with words, It scratches the disks!

[wahidkhan]

A man asked paul the octopus..."when will xbox 360 get rid of RROD?"...

the octopus slowly folds its tentacles one by one and shows the middle one!!:P

[kingboy]

Nothing worst than a scratch dvd thank god for blu ray's solid coating polymer,gosh i feel so nextgen haha

[dizzleK]

i've had a 360 almost since launch and not once has it ever eaten my game or given me a circle scratch. theres really no excuse for how sensitive it is but from working at gamestop for a few years and seeing how the average person actually treats their things, i'm honestly not surprised theres so many chewed up discs and even rrod for that matter.

[hybridtheory12]

since launch? ok but this is the NEW 360

[DJ Pillz 317]

Why would you move a console while playing a game?! :/

[WLPowell]

Ever heard of children or pets?

[DJ Pillz 317]

My 360 has been sitting flat under my TV since March 2006 (now a beautiful 360 S), how are either of those going to move that heavy thing?!

[xxchicago33xx]

@Den_UK

While the way you made your comment is borderline trolling...you do bring up a valid point. This could become a larger issue once people start using kinect. If you are jumping around or multiple people are jumping around there will be a fairly good chance that you will create a good amount of floor vibration that may cause your 360 to shift slightly. This would be a serious problem in older flats with woodfloors and prefab homes. I am predicting it now....N4G will be flooded with people saying their overweight friend made their 360 scratch their Kinectimals disk.

[SolidSystem]

it says not to move it, so this is sort of a dumb point. only people who really want to troll act like this proves anything.

its a problem with the style of drive. there is nothing keeping the disk in place when you start moving it around. so shit like this happens.

place your system somewhere safe... like on your media center, mine stands with its left side against part of my media stand, to ensure it wont get hit/knocked over.

would it have been nice if MS used a slot loading so this wouldnt happen? sure, does it mean the 360 is cheap? no.

incoming disagrees. N4G is overflowing with PS3 fanbrats.

[PSjesus]

Instead of defending your beloved console,just send M$ a letter
And tell them to stop using 20yrs old 3DO technology on their new systems,
You asked who moved a console?
many people have kids or dogs in their houses and that's one of few reason to move your console while playing.

[xxchicago33xx]

My dog barely bumped into my media center a couple years ago and decimated a copy of Madden. I got over it cause it gave me a reason to stop playing that year.....it was such a terrible game.

[J-Smith]

mine is ok, but then again it is always off LoL

[DuneBuggy]

Ive had one disc get scratched.My (then) brand new copy of GTAIV. My friend picked on his 360 to check some connection in the back and it happened.Game still played and a visit to a local "DVD repair" shop got it looking new again for 2 bucks.
I move my game consoles about as often as I move the DVD players in the house or the satelite recievers.Which is pretty much never.
Yeah, yeah a Wii or PS3 doesnt have this concern, but its really not a big deal IMO. Especially since this info is being used as a trolling weapon instead of a gamer warning here at NG4.

[WillyMetal]

I work in a movie store where I repair a constant stream of xbox cd's in our disc cleaning machine, and I've seen to the point where someone must have just ignored the sound and let it keep going. It;s funny cause some of the stories i get are ALL the same from my customers such as "cat tipped it" "Cousin tipped it" "brother tipped it" "friend borrowed it." Excuses out the ass. Who the hell is leaving their xbox in a place where it could tip, i mean it had a big retail price, its not like you are going to treat it like crap and throw it under the dirty clothes pile. Think of it this way, pick up your computer with cd's in it and flip it all around, most peoples computers will do the same thing. Sony just happened to use the slide in disc to never had the problem.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

I don't know why 360 gamers would be surprised. One of these retard videos appears every 2-3 months. This one happens to show to complete process of how idiots cause scratch disc. This blatantly intentional and we all know how it happens since May 12, 2005. Yet, here we all are xbox and of course ps3 gamers bitching and whining over the same issue. MS didn't fix it. Well get over it. Nothing we 360 gamers can do about that. You ps3 gamers are doing a fine job shaping the next xbox console so please continue.

But, the fact remains this gen. You do not shake the 360 console while a disc is in it. Hell why would you want to anyways!?

[SSKILLZ]

lol dang you nailed it . But i think the ps4 will be superior thanks to All of Sony's first party devs, also i don't think Ms is that Stupid to make the same mistakes, By now i think everything is out the window for them and are starting new concept on the next system.

[Garnett]

More idiots who break disc for attention, and fanboys (like the ones that run N4G) are giving them attention.

[SSKILLZ]

what if some one accidentally tips or moves 360 ...just by mistake ... yeah the disc will get scratched.

Hey I can move and shake my Ps3 up and down (for no reason) and it dose not scratch my blu-ray disc hahahahahahah.

So here's another thing my Ps3 gets the upper hand for.

[air1]

i will never understand why ppl feel the need to pick up a 360 and wiggle it around with a spinning disc. i just dont understand it as much as i couldnt understand what the hell this guy was saying...

this video isnt about an "accident" its about picking it up and wiggling it. my brother knocked over my 360 by accident while playing gears 2. it was a quick drop to the flat position it did scratch the disc but not as bad as this video and the game still worked. if you have pets clumsy family then lay it flat, plain and simple.

[SSKILLZ]

Doesn't matter what this video is about , clearly if it gets moved the disc will get scratch.

you got lucky it wasn't that bad, but it still got scratched.

also if any 360 owner wanted to trade it at game stop or sell it it would be a problem.

[air1]

well, lucky i am.. im so lucky that i dont trade/sell my games either..

it was more my fault that it tipped over cause after cleaning it i left it standing up on the floor on the carpet and started playing.

my point was that with my experience, if it falls flat from a standing position it will scratch it but its still playable. compared to picking it up and shaking it like a moron...

i have a ton of games and had the 360 since launch and only had 1 game get scratched by "accident" but still worked. if you complain about a scratched disc as bad as this guys, in my eyes you asked for it. just cause you can do it with the ps3 and wii doesnt mean that you should still pick it up and shake it for hahas... i would NEVER move and shake any of my consoles while a game is spinning, even if sony changed the ps3 name to "go a head and shake me around while playing its ok"

edit @n4ogs

did we watch the same video? there was nothing careful about what he did. careful would be moving it not too far and keeping it as horizontal or vertical as possible. you would have to be crazy drunk and high to move it the way he did and think that was careful.. i dont know why im responding to a guy that never owned a 360, i guess that whole "careful" comment got me..

[TheMutator]

another stupid mega post, congratulations...a winner is you!!!

[Mkai28]

Well microsoft has the warning on front of the xbox midget, so if you move it with the disc spinning at incredible speed and gets scratch they will not replace your disc. To avoid this"if you must move it" move your xbox before you cut it on. Install disc to hdd Keep off floor "stomping and such" Put on stabile entertaiment stand.

[maikel19]

Well this is not for me c'ause when i play gears i dance with the console on my head
and if the S scratches discs then i will not buy it.
how else would i play gears........

[N4BmpS]

Uh Immediately after MS E3 conference a video surfaced of the New 360 scratching an Alan Wake game disc. Soooooooo...FAIL on their part. here's what I'm sure they said:

"Oh you seen that video of the 360 S scratching a disc?"
"yep!"
"That had to be photoshopped or something?"
"Naw, it was real"
"Oh, let's put a disc in and see just to make sure"
"HOLY SH**! IT REALLY DOES SCRATCH THE DISC!"

[N4OGs]

and none of them would scratch discs or make noises like that.

Sometimes people have the game started up and everything and some kids come over and they just want to nice and easily move the system to a safer place etc.

I never owned a x360 but you should be able to move it carefully like every other hardware system i have owned which is basically all of them except for a x360 without them damaging discs and freaking out.

not to mention what if you have a blugged in controller and someone trips over the cable and moves your x360 a bit? there are tons of scenarios and it happens that the console can be moved by accident in those ways. Im glad my other gameing systems doesnt have this problem.

This is just another reason for me to not get a x360 slim. ill stick with ps3, pc, and wii. i will never let M$ rip me off.

[OutgoingSquall]

Why are people shocked? Ms isn't a hardware company what do you expect.

[CptFlashHeart]

Get a life.

Who the hell moves their console around like that whilst it's powered on with a disc spinning? - Only morons!

You can move 360's around with a disc in with the power off without scratching them, it's only when it's in full rotation and you move it so it skips off the drive and lands back down.

This story is getting lamer and lamer. It's not a DSi ffs, why the hell would you move around with it powered on -_-

[redsquad]

Only 'morons' have accidents? Okay...
'Accident' by definition also means 'unforseen' - I presume all your accidents are planned, seeing as how you seem able to deftly avoid them.

[edhe]

If you think then you can avoid accidents.

That's how to avoid unforeseen circumstances - think ahead.

[fr3d0]

seriously

[IHateYouFanboys]

massive lols at all the idiots trying to justify moving their console while its turned on.

every single disc based console has had the EXACT same warning against moving the console while its turned on, saying it may scratch discs.

even the mighty PS3: http://au.playstation.com/m...

listed under precautions: "Do not move or change the position of the system with a disc inserted. The vibration may result in scratching of the disc or the system."

anyone that thinks moving a running console is something that SHOULD be done is an idiot, plain and simple.

[xtremeimport]

I...I dont speak spanish.

[MRMagoo123]

stop defending this crap u brainless ppl how can u not understand this is a problem everyone knows that with a shoddy trash 360 you arent meant to move ur console while its spinning discs but like i said before ACCIDENTS HAPPEN ffs.If you dont get this basic concept you fail at life.

[lugia 4000]

yea, ps3 is the best console because I can spin it without breaking a disc! its so much fun!

[Trroy]

I wonder if this will become more of an issue if Kinect dance games become popular? Lots of movin around, some floor shaking and loud music... Vertical 360s don't take much bumping before the laser gets a wee bit too close for comfort.

[gcolley]

my dvd player and bluray player would surely scratch disks if i were stupid enough to move them. once again only idiotic fanboys need comment. every damn article on n4g. you sound like a bunch of religious nutters

[Playerz8]

Mine don't scratch discs when they are moved.

[Lykon]

rick rolled again by another GERMAN article grrrrrr.

yeah it's bad the 360 scratches disks btw.

[ssbains]

Micro$oft must love negative user comments and press

[Playerz8]

Why does the Xbox 360 still even have a disc tray. That tech is from like 2000. It should just suck it in (haha). I mean even the last gen Wii has that feature.

[edhe]

I had a trayless dvd drive in my pc mid-90s. Suck it.

[RyuDrinksTheDew]

wow, it clearly tells you not to do it on the front of the console.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

That's what happen when you make a console with primitive parts.

[Voiceofsoi]

Most popular hardcore console of 2010: 360
Most popular novel of 2010: Eclipse by Stephenie Meyer
Most popular musician of 2010: Lady Gaga

Consumers are idiots. C'est la vie.

Defend your inferior products if it helps you feel like you spent your money well.

I'm off to enjoy the most award winning game of the generation for the millionth time on the console with the most advanced hardware for the next 10 hours without worrying about hardware failure or disc scratching.

[edhe]

I love your statement then immediate stupidity in claiming that the ps3 has the most advanced hardware, considering the cell was designed before the 360 cpu and the RSX is a generation behind.

Of course you're saying this to defend your product, which you say yourself is in order for you to feel like you spent your own money well.

Hypocrisy is a terrible sin.

[wwedx]

Yea im really going to move my xbox 360 when im playing it

[JAMurida]

That sucks man... I love shaking my console while playing a game to get that real next gen experience and to hear the new 360 scratches the disc while I do that??? Forget that!!!

[Smootherkuzz]

Read the instructions and if you are afraid of knocking the the thing over then do not stand it up, use common sense, no drive is free from fault if you treat it ruff no matter what the type.Put it on a solid surface away from kids jumping and animals.Gaming consoles were not meant to be portable and moved around while in operation like portable music cds and hand held video players.If you do move a console while it is in the opration mode with a spinning cd in the drive then you are asking for trouble and because you got by once do not mean you will have that luck the every time.I feel it should have shattered the disk and lucked them out the system for trying to be under handed and to discredit MS.

[MadMan00]

Yeah, you're really supposed to move your 360 around why you are in the middle of a game. What dumb fuck does this?

NEWS FLASH FUCK BAGS, ps3 and wii doesn't have a tray like the 360...And if it did have tray you faggots would cry because they copied the ps3/wii, stfu and stop posting.

[TheObserver]

My Xbox also scratches the game when I move it even if I do not touch it when it is turned on. I have the Xbox Elite and I mostly uses it for system links/gaming party at friends. It scratched 2 Rockband already. Sometimes I forgot to take discs out of the 360 when I move it to/from the party. During the relocation the disc may have been dislodge and when I turn the 360 on, it may messes up my games. To prevent that I take the disc out and put it firmly inside again.

Also at parties, people slamming on drums and going back and forth, crap happens. The latest victim is Left 4 Dead 2. Luckily, it was an extra copy and didn't belong to me. Lol.

For a console that many people take to parties, it is not very reliable.

On the other contrary, the original FAT CECHA01 60 GB PS3 does not scratches any discs yet. I move it around a lot also for movies party to some people who don't have a Bluray Player. Does not mess up discs even when I left it in.

People who says "Don't move it, stupid!" don't have a grip on reality. Crap happens and you cannot control the environment all the time.

I'll play the standard insult card on the internet: Get a freaking life. Not all of us live in our mom's basement and don't move things around.

For the new 360 S, quite disappointing that it is still ill designed. Half-assing the job.

[kasasensei]

STUPIDITY

[bunfighterii]

I still can't fathom who is going to move around a console while there's a disc spinning in the drive... or if its even on?

[Candy1]

It's not designed to be a hand-held. It's equivalent of dropping or spillage through ones own action that voids warranty. Next test someone'll do is toss it under water to see if it drowns in Black Ops!

[Gun_Senshi]

somewhere MS has to combat Piracy.

Its by forcing legit people buying same copy for multiple times.

[Wizziokid]

People saying all the shit about 'I can move my PS3/WII when its on and it wont scratch the disk' yeah because when I'm playing a game I stop for a second pick up my console and shake it just because...

Pathetic argument

[edhe]

I'm trying to wrap my head around a guy's night in spent on the ps1 & ps2 taking turns to flip the console like a pancake in the middle of tekken bouts.

Is it me or does this all sound like absurd bullsh to everyone too?

NB stupid people break things, don't be stupid.

[ReBurn]

I guess the video proves that if you do something you're not supposed to do then bad things can happen.

There's no way to make something completely idiot-proof. As soon as you try someone goes and makes a better idiot.

[midgard229]

are ya really gonna give MS the excuse that we know not to move the console? who the hell builds a console that scratches disc so easy? yet ya accept it? what about accidents? like a dog jumping and hitting the wall unit? or a friend thats a ps3 owner and didnt know or a freakin earthquake!!!!!

anyway stop making excuses for MS's crappy craftsmanship, they had a second chance with the new model and havent done anything. how awesome is it to go buy halo reach day one and ur 2 year old bro hits pushing ur console an inch?

no other console does this, the 2nd worse was the fat ps2 which only did that if u shook it or dropped it from high and it hit the floor. lol at barley movin it and losing ur game

bad MS bad

[Pillville]

MS the car makers:
"Only an idiot would drive their cars into other cars, I don't see why we should include seat belts."

[Knightofelemia]

Well if you move it it will scratch discs. People sure like to pick a system apart when the damn thing is not even on the market for 2 months.

[SpinalRemains138]

Glottensprecht textures, scratched discs........... What's next?

[milesdyson45]

EVERYONE ON HERE IS AN IDIOT! WHY OH WHY WOULD YOU MOVE YOUR CONSOLE WHILE PLAYING A GAME. IT IS NOT A FLAW. MICROSOFT WASN'T THINKING "HEY WHAT IF SOME ONE DECIDES TO SHAKE THEIR XBOX 360 WHILE PLAYING A GAME?" "NO ONE WOULD BE STUPID ENOUGH TO SHAKE THEIR CONSOLE WHILE PLAYING A GAME, THAT WOULD BE WEIRD AND STUPID." WHAT IDIOT WOULD PLAY A PS1 UPSIDE DOWN?? THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN. PEOPLE WASTING GOOD TIME DISCUSSING HOW HORRIBLE THE XBOX 360 IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE GONE AND DONE SOMETHING INCREDIBLY STUPID WITH IT!!! PUT THE GAME IN A SIT YOUR ASS DOWN AND PLAY. AS FAR AS THE KINECT THING GOES, YOU WONT BE JUMPING ON TOP OF THE 360 IN ORDER TO PLAY, SO I AM SURE IT WILL BE FINE. IT DOES NOT MEAN THE 360 FAILS. HOW CAN YOU JUDGE A CONSOLE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. LETS SEE XBOX 360 PROS: GREAT GAMES, GREAT GRAPHICS, GREAT CONTROLLER, GREAT ONLINE STRUCTURE. XBOX 360 CONS: TERRIBLE D-PAD, SCRATCHES DISCS WHEN YOU SHAKE IT LIKE AN ETCH-A-SKETCH. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT. I CAN'T SIMPLY HAVE A CONSOLE THAT I CAN'T SHAKE. I MEAN WHAT GOOD IS A CONSOLE IF I CAN'T MOVE IT MID GAME. I REMEMBER THIS TIME WHERE I WAS PLAYING THIS GAME, AND I WANTED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, AND I PAUSED IT. HOWEVER, I WAS AFRAID THAT SOMETHING HORRIBLE MIGHT HAPPEN, SO I PICKED IT UP TO BRING IT WITH ME, YOU KNOW, JUST IN CASE. IMAGINE MY SURPRISE WHEN IT SCRATCHED MY DISK. SHOULD HAVE NEVER BOUGHT THAT STUPID PIECE OF CRAP.

ANGRY CAPS LOCKING SHOWS ANGER

[milesdyson45]

I apologize for my rant. Rants are ugly hostile things that should never be. They have poor sentence structure and even worse grammar. Even so, stop with the fighting. Each console on the market is good for what it does. Is it dumb that PS3 and xbox 360 are pretty much trying to become the wii? Yes, they should stick to what makes them great, and what makes the wii suck. Beautiful graphics and great gameplay. The wii needs to continue pumping out the nostalgia. Clearly that is what we want from them. Do not try to make some one believe that your console of choice is better than theirs. It is a waste of time. Just go play your beloved console. Isn't that what you should be doing to show your love? Go play Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, or Sin and Punishment. Don't tell someone that the Xbox 360 sucks because you move it when a disc is spinning and it scratches the disc. That is like saying man my car sucks because it doesn't float when I drive it into the lake. It is almost as stupid as saying I hate my PS3 because when I put a wii game in it, it doesn't work. Consoles weren't meant to be moved when they are playing a game.

[headblackman]

the sticker on the drive tells you not to move it while a disc is running in the tray. what simpletons. anything to try to give the system bad press, but sorry lamers, this one doesn't count because you've been warned already. follow instructions next time chumps