Bad controls in Lair just a myth ?

Last week EGM reviewed Lair and gave it a score that created quite a buzz all over the internet. EGM seems to have been the first official gaming website to have reviewed the game, however, other sources that previewed the game thinks other wise.

According to Gamezone:

The game will make full use of the SIXAXIS's tilt sensitivity, which I'm sure everyone knows by now. However, it does feel very intuitive and not unwieldy at all like many games on the PS3 that try to take advantage of it in some slapdash way. After a few minutes, you'll feel like a natural.

[ngg12345]

How is the bad controls in lair a myth? A reviewer disliked the control in the game.

[TriggerHappy]

you really need to read things before commenting...it helps.

[nasim]

that horrible website!!!!

i am happy IGN,GS, CVG and GAMEINFORMER all loved LAIR controls

i am looking forward to it

[Umbrella Corp]

Egm sucks they say that "Lair" a quality game as sucky controls i filled out an order for teh magazine and now im not gonna pay them lol haha! :)

[FreedomReign]

Believe me, as a 360 owner they show no bias towards that console, or the dozen+ red rings of death they've had at their offices.

Peter Moore's departure according to them was a huge blow to Xbox.

The billion dollar payout brought speculation of MS shutting down the 360 workshop on their podcast. They still see it as a loser in the console war.

1up more than any other website have pushed the PS3 since launch, even without games. Stating 'just wait' 'Blu Ray' and 'Power' as the only reason to buy a $600 machine.

EGM also has a 3 reviewer system, and I find it hard to believe they're all 'teh biased'.

Believe what you will, but the history of EGM, 1up, PSM, etc. All go to show this house is one that Sony more than any other company helped build.

[Mu5afir]

You haven't read up their reviews, or watched their shows have you?
1up has been bashing the Ps3 since it's launch.

[Loudninja]

Not, EGM or gamepro had the final build, they rush reviews

Edit :lol they took this from me!

http://www.ps3forums.com/sh...

No big deal thought

[ngg12345]

That would explain it.

[Loudninja]

I do not know why they were lying for

[texism]

Now PS3 fans know how we Wii fans felt when reviewers could not even take the time to learn the controls and get comfy with them.

[DrPirate]

Too true buddy, too true. Well said, bubble for you.

[ElementX]

The Wii has fans? I thought people just bought it because it was cheap... No good games, poor reviews. Mario 23455, Zelda 20, and Metroid 39....

Only newly released game on Wii which scored (IGN) above a 9 is Zelda Twilight Princess, the rest are all virtual console titles.

Sorry, i'm a wii hater :) Ok maybe not a Wii hater, but I wasn't impressed with it when my old roomie owned one.

[nasim]

i just listened to the PODCAST of INSOMNIAC ...and JULIAN was bashing EGM for saying that the last boss in LAIR was a building!!!!!

[texism]

hahahah roflmao! A building? Are you serious?

[Panthers]

I hope EGM loses all credibility with all PS3 users and no one ever buys there stupid mag again LOL.

[erosevaporator]

Slapdash....right that down...

[MK_Red]

Well myth or not, it was utterly stupid and crazy of EGM to giv 5 to Lair. Even with bad controls, if the graphics, story and other elements are in place, the game at least deserves an 7 or 8 and all of this is only if they are right about bad controls and if they're just being biased and unproffesional then...

[WaggleLOL]

A 1080p 30fps PS3 game that looks as amazing as Lair? Not going to get trashed by Xbox fanboys at EGM/1Up?

Lair makes every stupid claim about the 360 being anywhere near the PS3 in graphics performance a complete and utter joke.

[WaggleLOL]

EGM and 1Up are a cesspool of Microsoft fanboys all hoping to get hired away to Microsoft by trashing PS3 games and hyping crap like Halo.

Thankfully they have been caught red handed and everyone can see for themselves that EGM/1Up is nothing more than the equivalent of teamxbox.com.

* They have now been caught with the bogus Lair controls trashing

* They have now been caught with the 'threatening to knock Warhawk's score down a point' fiasco

* The Killzone Liberation trashing

* And the whole pathetic damage control over the amazing Killzone 2 unveiling

And that is just the major PS3 trashing that comes to mind. EGM/1Up are toast when it comes to any claims of being relevant to console reviews and reporting.

[ArduousAndy]

you act as if 1up/egm raped your mom and killed your family.

relax bro. If you do not like the site ignore it. It is as simple as that.

Plus anyone who does not atleast TRY a game based on reviews as a total idiot.

Just relax and calm down.

This story just like all the Jack Thompson stories should not have been posted. If Ign said the tilt was fine good for them, if Gameinformer said it was awesome well alright.

Dont get the blood pressure up a few points because of a bad review.

I'm putting a disagree on you cause you just gotta calm down.

[xaphanze]

You forgot to mention that they give 360 exclusives high score even if the game sucks just like Shadowrun while they dig for little bugs in ps3 exclives and try to thrash them.

[WIIIS1]

Andy, you don't know these Sonyfans. They'd rather have their moms raped and families killed than have a bad review for a Sony game. The brainwashing is that bad.

[MarioFromTexas]

I just don't buy EGM giving a game like lair those kind of scores, I'll wait til it's official, seems like the scan was a fake because they didn't even post the entire reveiw which I would of enjoy reading...

[Loudninja]

It makes you wonder what else they lied about?

[Mr_Kuwabara]

Then they might have some serious legal issues(Maybe not serious but Sony might ask them to re-write the review with better credibility). If I were them, I would remake this review so that it's at least biased. Either way, I've never seen such a game with high hopes, originality and creativity get a 5 just because of some "bad" or "to get use to" controls....

[nasim]

i am with you

The last boss in LAIR is not a building

you could have 20 000 enemies per screen..thats when you have slight FR issues.

CVG,IGN,GS,EDGE,GAMEZONE and GAMEINFORMER --all liked LAIR.

LAIR has 20x more poly than GEARS.

LAIR runs at 1080p @30fps.

lot of new techniques(unheard of till date) added in LAIR

LAIR might be using somehwere between 10--50% of ps3 's power

[heavymetal3k]

i think it runs at 60fps

[Antan]

It runs @30fps most of the time, dipping occasionaly with thousands of ground troops on screen.

[WIIIS1]

Man you really have to stop lying yourself if you're going to call someone else a liar.

[BIadestarX]

Funny... Playstation is all about dictatorship... gamers can't give their opinion, reviewers can't give their review, developers can't complain about the development tools or the console.. without some stupid Sony fanboys or PR trying to burn them...

Let the freaking people have their opinion about things... Seriously... They also complain about the xbox 360 and the wii.. Now in days.. not even a review can be made... before the buch of fanboys (none seem or play the game) starting racing the flags...

How many times have you gone to the theatre or play a game where someone review the game or movie poorly.. and yet you like it... that's because ... reviews are made by people that may not have your taste... duhh...

Seriously.. the way you Sony fanboys are making such as big deal out of everything is sick... nothing can be said negatively about your obsession and god(PS3).

You are not going to buy the EGM because a review you didnt agree with? Isn't that the nature of reviews?

The same goes for EA.. and the constant flame from PS3 Gamers..

I know how this can be fix... If Content makers (like EGM, EA, etc) can't express their opinion and can't sell their product within the PS3 gamers... leave the PS3 out of the picture... seriously.. who do you think you are hurting? I am sure Microsoft would love that.

[Loudninja]

And they also complain about the PS3 price in the review as well

[MarioFromTexas]

If it is true, there is something wrong with that for a game that has dedicated alot of time to a project...Lair is not the kind of game that gets rush to market for a quick buck, and even then those kind of games get a 7.5 or better...The graphics are amazing, the story looks to be epic and I don't mind using the sixaxis if that was the developer's vision..I rate games like this, story, level design and control design...I can play a game if the story is good and the level design are great...you can always get used to controls even at first you don't like them...If you play red dead revolver then you know what i'm talking about, it got a 7.6 but I enjoy every moment of that game and single player was more enjoyable than Halo2 by a long shot. I hate when people complain about controls just because they are used to playing a certaing type of game....change is good and leads to better gaming...

[razer]

It's all about DENIAL! And they will keep posting these articles over and over trying to justify that the game is worth a sh*t.

The game is looking like a AA title instead of a AAA title and they just can't handle it.. So they say "ban EGM" or "he had an early build" or "they are being paid by MS". What a bunch of total BS! Well I love EGM and I've always respected there reviews and so do most of the people I game with and they will listen to their opinions over 10million nobody Sony fanboys anyday. The truth is a tough thing to handle sometimes.

[The Wood]

its like you never saw what some people were saying about LAIR after the egm leak or something. Please just cut the crap bladestar cause we can smell you a mile away. In case you need reminding ZERO humility or objectivity was shown by some factions of the 360 crowd. It was like that 1 review was it. Done and dusted the games crap and i didnt see you telling people to chill or stop being silly. Think of it like this. If the game wasnt OVERLY bashed in the first place some people wouldnt be giving, what they consider haters, the two finger waves and up ya bum comments.

[nasim]

no one agreed with GAYGM su**** MS BOTS.

x360 and ps3 are not the same.
we expect cartoon games on x360 since it is an inferior console.

LAIR has 20x morepoly than GEARS

so when it gets 6 from EGM then it is sure going to give rise to commotion.

go back to ms camp and play CARTOON HALO 3 with POWER RANGER kids and ME with flying aliens

[DaTrooF]

the lair reviews werent correct??

has the issue containing the lair review been released yet?

is the wii actually the most powerful out of all three systems?

plz help:D

[power of Green]

Its not a myth if a group of people have played it and felt the controls suck ass. We call them opinions on P L A N E T--E A R T H ....

[hazeblaze]

They reviewed the game based on a ONE YEAR OLD build... let's be for real. And then they gave inaccurate information that had nothing to do with opinion! Actual inaccurate facts! That's just unacceptable.

[DaTrooF]

does anybody have any REAL reviews of lair???

[razer]

reviews that will make Sony fanboys happy? then No.

[nasim]

x360 costs 400$
add wifi = 100$
add HD DVD =200$

add HDMI 1.3 = 200$ BTW..not even ELITE supports HDMI 1.3
add online = 50 per year * 5= 250 for 5 years

plus x360 is 1/3 as powerful as ps3 and is 100% defective.

so MS a re the ones who rip people off with poor consoles which die within a week after purchase

[Balance]

you have some issues, i think you need to talk to someone because you aren't living anywhere near planet earth or reality.

[Loudninja]

Just mags that we have to wait to see if they are true or not

[DaTrooF]

plz help me out with my Q?

[Rhezin]

I can already smell the dragon sh!t coming from this game. AHHHH ITS AWEFUL!!!!

[crippler666]

The first every Joystick / Joypad I every played with had 1 button. It was for my Amstrad CPC464. It was the first computer I ever owned (yes I am old). Later on when the NES / Mastersystem arrived, it had 2 buttons on it, it took a couple of week to get used to.

During every successive console more buttons, different layout, touch sensitive, rumble, analogue sticks (it took around 2 weeks to get used to them) and triggers have arrived that have sometimes took a time to get used to.

Everyone goes on about innovation in games, something that sets itself apart from everything else. Sony and Factor 5 have tried this with Lair, IMO the game deserved a higher score for just not being a FPS, Driving or Platform game. I like those types of games, but haven't there been so many of them in recent months?

If originality and innovation are not rewarded, then companies will stick with the tried and tested format. Reviews do not matter, this game interests me, so I will buy it.

[MarioFromTexas]

Atari 2600 only had 1 button and a joystick....1up is another site that I don't visit anymore, every time they preveiw a game they always try to down play the PS3 and then all the stupid xbots comments when it's not even a 360 game...Lair looks like a fantastic game and an original on top of that, I can live with a new control scheme

[power of Green]

Just looking at the game being played looks retarded and Shemmue-ish from the DreamCast. It looks primitive in design despite using the new DualShock. The game might be fun playing for others or even me but it has a forced feeling to it the New controller doesn't seem to mesh smoothly with the much smoother gameplay flow. ????

(Almost more tech demo than game.)

[power of Green]

From watching some Asian guy playing it the balance/anolog/sensitivity needs work and the sisaxis pop-ups need to go!; let the player learn what to do and when to do it. lol

[Shaka2K6]

1st they went to critize HS saying it was just a bottom smasher and game with no jump botton then they go after liar saying it has bad controls,oh pls this is the perfect example that innovation and top top notch graphics work well, its EGayM at it again with their stupid anti-Sony fanboy reviews bunch of stupid nintendo fanboys.

[power of Green]

Lets just hope they consider fixing some of the issues that turn me off about this game. The Motion control seems sluggish and the POP-ups do not go well with the 7th generation of gaming's no HUD mindset already stripping it from AAA status, superficailly.

A little more tweeking of the controls durring the delay and this game can be solid and actaully fit this game aswell as motion does with Wii games.

[okcomputer]

Seriously, what do you care about what "turns you off about this game" you're obviously an xbox fanboy with no intentions of buying this game, and your sole purpose for posting here is flame.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

No flaming us 360 guys are here for moral support. Read my comments I so want this game to succeed for you guys. ILuVdragons.

[SteinigerGE]

Power of Green, If you're flying on the back of an animal during a time that resembles the Middle Ages, why would you expect there to be a HUD? Not liking a game because you're too lazy to actual pay attention as to where you are supposed to fly to is weak. Isn't figuring things out part of the fun of playing games? Or do you just read the cheat guide so you can win? Personally, I'd prefer to take advantage of the freedom to learn it myself.....

[xg-ei8ht]

I think my pants are burning, oops no its another 360.

[ElementX]

what does that have to do with anything in the article or any other comments?

[razer]

deflect! deflect! Must change subject to something on the competition because I cannot handle the truth of what is being said..

[facundo]

Lair has looked great from the get go and always had positive previews. I applaud Sony and Factor 5 for trying to be innovative. I think too many developers are trying to make FPS because its easy to add online features, and to appease a mass audience. Factor 5 and Sony were willing to take risk, it takes risk to be successful at times, and I was really looking forward to playing this with the six-axis. I'm sure its not that difficult, look at other reviews on the controls. I'd be real real mad if they delayed this game because of a bad review. Gamepro's reason for a 3.75/5 score (the only con mentioned) was the controls. But they said, they don't want to be pushing buttons too much and too long along with manipulating the controller at the same time because it's too much work? If that's true, that is the dumbest reason ever, and really loses it's credibility with me. Factor 5 and Sony has busted their butts to get a good game and for a review based on this is ludicrous. I'm gonna be even more upset if this delay affects Heavenly Sword's release. Lair looks good, release and let the true reviewers, the PS3 audience do the critiquing, word of mouth is the best advertisement. I'm sure PS3 owners will feel much differently EGM's/ Gamepro's thoughts

[Alcohog]

basically EGM reviewers are noobs and suck at videogames. Gotcha.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Didn't this game just get delayed...one would think given the bad review which obviously lair devs pay attention to they need to fix something.

[FirstknighT]

The excuses are nonstop today. The sony boys continue their whining about EGM and Gamepro being "anti-sony"

Grow up kids! Your precious Lair is a good game but not a AAA title like you boasted about. Bad controls is a key factor in the rating system and it was stupid for Factor 5 not to give you the choice.

[MarioFromTexas]

would you want to create the way you invision it, or would you sacrifice it and just do a rehash game....The developer didn't force sixaxis on us, that's the way he intended the game to be played and as a gamer whether your an xbot, sony fanboy, or wiimote how can you complain for a guy creating a game the way he want it, and creating a new experiance.

[power of Green]

LOL Yah! i shouldn't have opinion about things don't let me catch you posting your opinion on something i like more than you do. lol

[okcomputer]

haha yea sure, so if someone came onto a 360 thread about mass effect and said its looking retarded and last gen, I'm sure no one would think its pure fanboy flaming because its just their "opinion" right? Theres a difference between giving an opinion and flaming, and you're obviously just looking to troll.

[Genki]

It's really a matter of personal preference.

If you're not comfortable with motion control, then you just flat out won't like it, and that's that.

If you are, there's a good chance that this game will be a blast.

Think about M/KB vs analog sticks. Gamers are divided on that issue on a much larger scale, which supports my stance that it's not a myth...

I think I'll at least enjoy this game, because I loved the Hell out of the Warhawk beta, it just took some getting used to and sensitivity tweaking...that's all.

Different strokes for different folks, especially when such a radical change is introduced.

[timmyp53]

am not gonna make a comment on the EGMagizine.. but they just dont like the controls but some think its fun and intuitive/essential for this game

the numerous levels I played of LAIR point towards a very strong final product. A training level gets you up to speed with the ins and outs of flying a dragon, and thankfully it’s pretty simple stuff. Controlled entirely with the motion control of the Sixaxis, tilting controls your dragon’s pitching and banking, as if you’re in control of a plane. It works surprisingly well

[The Wood]

EGM are on their own at the mo so can the haters please quit for now and the doubters just chill until they play the demo. To the dude that said damage control. Please shut up because your looking a little stupid trying to make others believe that a game you haven't and probably never will play is crap just because of 1 questionable review. Well i hope the quotes you just read open your eyes a little.

Anything that uses the motion control on the ps3 is deemed crap. Wonder why?

Like it or not the future of many games will played using motion control or a part of it. Yes it will take some getting used to just like the time I first used an analog stick then dual analogs.

quote from myself: http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

EDIT added the word myself. check below for reason

[ASSASSYN 36o]

You quoted yourself thats cute.

Graphics and gameplay are two major things but game changing options are important to. There is not currently a option to turn off the sixaxis control scheme which is very limiting apparently. And the only reason sony ever implemented the sixaxis was because they got wind of Nintendo control scheme and copied it before both wii and ps3 launched. Thats why it is crap it was not part of the original design and became a last minute addition.

http://www.engadget.com/200...

[The Wood]

its late 3:20 BST and I wanted to say the same thing twice because the topics were similar (please dont report me). Not sure why you typed all that stuff about copying in reply to me because I never mentioned anything to do with that. You are a sony hater and it shows but at least your up front. Rambling on about who copied who, why and when and stones and sh)t. LOL goodnight.

[The Wood]

I see you have edited your comment whilst i was typing my last one. Kool. Your still a hater though but at least your upfront g'night

[ASSASSYN 36o]

I have no Idea what your talking about nor care and yes captin obvious I care not for the ps3 or sony my avatar tells that alone.

[MarioFromTexas]

The Sixaxis and the wiimote are 2 different concepts...First off the sixaxis is an added feature and it's purpose is not to replace the dual shock like the wiimote. The PS3 using one controller for all their games and you don't need to purchase 3 different gamepads like the wii..I rather have sixaxis than don't, alot of games use it and it works pretty good, you are just stuck with a 360 with old technology...You have to be real stupid to complain about a company giving more features, Why would PS fans be mad at Sony for trying to give them more features,it's better to have and not need, than to not have and need. Blu ray, HDD, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, WWW, free online, credit card transaction instead of overprice M$ points. I have a 360 too because I'm a gamer, I play games and I would've been happy paying more for my 360 if it had the same features as my PS3...I just bought a $1000 washer but I could of got a $400, you want to know why I paid that much more, because in the end the benifits and feature out weigh the price...

Balance
How can a feature be a draw back, it's not mandatory and it's used pretty good I beleave on the games that have added during gameplay, so your point is based blindly...How can you complain about the dual shock when it has sold 100's of million... I like the 360 controller better too but I hate the wired headset and the wireless one is a peice of sh1t which my dog ate by the way, I was about to return the damn thing..The PS3 I use my bluetooth headset and it works find. The 360 controller is good but any controller is good once you get used to it and no other controller is more popular than the dual shock which everyone is used to by now.

I just played the demo of darkness on 360 and PS3, and to be honest I couldn't tell the difference they both look the same to me and how can someone claim the better version, if it's the same game, another FPS which I'm tired off

[Balance]

my the sony fan girls are in force on the site today. i am sory you think the sixaxis is an advancement or feature but i consider it a draw back. it is the same dual shock from forever ago with rumble taken out and limited motion put in. I will give the 360 this, it is the best controller i have ever used, it is well designed and the only complaint i have about it is the D-pad. at least MS put time and research into making a better controller. and no the wii doesn't count here because nintendo spent all their research on a controller and nothing else.

[BIadestarX]

I will publish a new magazine and start selling it for $20 each (I have a nice printer at home)... I will start with reviewing Lair with a 10/10 and every PS3 game with a perfect score... I will go on and talk about how great the PS3 is and how blu-ray is king. Next I will talk about how none of the PS3 games can posibly run on the xbox 360 due to the power of the cell...

I think I will be rich in no time. The trick is... write only thing that Sony fanboys want to hear. They don't want nothing but praise for the PS3. Those suckers will pay to hear what they want to hear.. even if they already know what you are already going to say..

[Balance]

the scary thing is you are 100% correct and i actually do believe you could make some serious money from that idea. sony fangirls are like sheep if the sheep hearder tells them to walk off a cliff they do it without thinking, if your magazine praises the ps3 they will buy it without thinking.

[bee2427]

i dont read any of these magazines, but from the sound of it, it seems like 1up and EGM do the same thing for the 360 but instead of paying 20 they charge less, maybe they feel bad you guys have to pay alot for all the other 360 accessories (jk)

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Can I write for you. This is going to be fun.

[senerock]

so u're telling me i have to play the game for couple of hours before getting the hang of it.....no thanks...this is why am not buying a ps3, apparently it takes years to get the hang of their games.

[s8anicslayer]

that is probably the stupidist comment i've ever heard

[bee2427]

im pretty sure from what I have read is that there is a choice to learn the controls before you start the game and thaat it wasnt hard to figure out

[ShiftyLookingCow]

Jim Carrey is returning in the sequel to the hit comedy Liar Liar:- Liar Lair featuring fire breathing dragons that joke and lol from an alternate reality gone wrong.

[mikeslemonade]

EGM must have had other problems than controls and camera. You can't rate a game a 5 without other problems than just controls. Gameplay>Graphics>Physic s>[Story=Music=Sound] in my opinion. Let's wait and see the full review to see there other complaints.

[kg05]

there just pissed off cuz sony didnt send them a free ps3...
and now they hold it against sony...

i mean honestly for a game like this with all new controls, how can one accurately REVIEW a game before its even completed???

its like REVIEWING a movie while its still undergoing editing, theres no way a review can be accurate.

and on another note, did the reviewers even have like n hour or 2 to even play the game??? i know the guys at ign will spend hours n hours playing a game if they really get in2 it. but i dono much about egm or ne other gamer website, maybe they just didnt get the hang of the controls.

and this talk about them adding comments about the price of a ps3, hmmm seems kinda odd that they would have to mention the price of a console in an "official" game review...

and for the record i own a ps3 and am currently contemplating getting a 360 once the "falcon" version comes out.

[s8anicslayer]

why do xbot's hang around ps3 post's and forums like god dang vultures?

[Bolts]

I think you just answered your own question.

[Shaka2K6]

Beacuase their x360 are broken and they have nothing better to do.
or maybe they just finished their 6 hour $60 dvd game and they feel the need to troll PS3 and Sony to make them selfs fell better beacuase they are to young to buy something on their own.
either way you have to be pretty pathetic and know nothing about gaming or pretty damn young started your gaming with the xbox,to be an xbox fanboy really its so discusting its not even funny.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

pathetic, enuff said

[DiLeCtioN]

lets hope this doesnt get delayed

[batman2million]

jeez, these poor sony fans boys need to really grow up.

I read the reviews and EGM has a right to entitle any opinion they want for any game. That what they are paid to do,

second thing is, they wrote that the last boss is a building, may of you are claiming that they've only rated the old build, maybe in that build the last boss was a building, who knows!

If you've noticed, Blue Dragon got low reviews too, you don't see us MS fans boys complaining nearly half as much as the sony ones are.

oh thats right, we got Bioshock coming out!!! We actually have GOOD games coming out!!

[THE_JUDGE]

that everyone is complaining about the disparity between reviews. Egm gives it low and Edge and Gamer give it high. Shouldn't they at least be close in rating, not one really low and the rest really high. As for Blue Dragon, we haven't seen but like one review and it was low, maybe the games not that good. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

[felidae]

they reviewed an old version of the game. that's not so professional i think.

[THE_JUDGE]

but EGM has given it good reviews and at the beginning of September I will give it my own review. If you have played the game Flow, handling the dragons in this shouldn't really be that big of a deal.

[DiLeCtioN]

this doesnt change peoples ind about the game...they are still gonna get it only true fanboys wont

[Honor_in_Armor]

It's not my fault the reviewers at EGM are old and have osteoporosis and that's why they were having a hard time with the sixaxis and stuff. Lol.

On a serious note though, why would they burst out with a review so early or quickly?
Put it this way if Reviews for Gameplay was a 9, Graphics: 9 Presentation: 9 Fun: 8 and Control: 2 then overall the game would be looking at about a 7.5 at least. But that's only considering averaging. I am eager to see other reviews from other sources But, that's where "different strokes for different folks" come in.