Hiphopgamer And Torrence Davis Debate RAGE vs KZ3

Torrence thinks RAGE tech is beyond anything he's seen this console generation. Hiphopgamer thinks Killzone 3 looks better than RAGE. Then the debate ensues.

[B-Real206]

I'm going to watch this....will report back.

[Joule]

Killzone 3

The

[lociefer]

lol i bet hhg is all like, *gotchu bitch*

[XxSolid SnakexX]

kill rage bury it underground and shit on it's grave in terms of graphics

[SOAD]

Not really.

Killzone 3 has more stuff happening on screen, but all of that stuff is on the same level of what RAGE looks like, running at 60 fps. So, I think Killzone 3 is more interesting because of the chaos, but it doesn't bury RAGE at all. Both games look very impressive.

[CrAnKiTuP_01]

I've seen rage..And don't see the big deal. Not much going on on-screen from what I've seen compared to the chaos and hundreds of things going on in games I'm used to like Killzone 2 and God of War 3. Uncharted 2 made my jaw drop and my eyes melt. When I saw Rage, I thought "...... Cool he killed a zombie... another... another... great animations my ass!... *yawn* shot more zombies... Man this shit is boring!!" *gets off*

[Conloles]

Ok so your comparing an open world game (RAGE) to a linear game (KZ3) well sure ok on consoles KZ3 will probably win but on PC RAGE will absolutely dominate it in 1080P (3D if I want) and 60FPS (no jaggies either).

[mikeslemonade]

Killzone 3 wins graphically by a landslide. Lots of developers can make a good comical/cell shaded game look good. Look at Zelda Wind Waker and Okami for example. Killzone 3 is realistic. Realistic graphics are by far harder to make.

[vsr]

Anyway on consoles Rage:- PS3(1 bluray) > xbox (3-4 DVD)

Killzone = no comparisons on any other consoles.

[blackbeld]

Torrence Davis is to stubborn. If you want to talk about tech then tell me why Rage is not 3D and visually KZ3 looks a lot better! 60fps is not the goal here. It's all about graphics and gameplay. KZ3 is the winner.

[rroded]

not jus the bits shown so far

still kz3 def has the edge graphics wise imo

but rage looks great best multiplat graphics 4 sure.

[OOG]

yeah its great to see the PC developers are stepping up their game and making nice multiplat engines... I cant wait to see the final copy of Crysis 2 and Rage.... and well Killzone 3 has me playing Killzone 2 again....

Great time for gaming IMO.. especially if you own all the systems.. just going to be hard to find all the time to be playing all of these games...

[APOFISBORICUA]

But It seems to me that everytime that a multiplatform game with incredible graphics is shown all the 360 fans get out of their caves to bash PS3 exclusives. I have seen this all the generation but the funiest thing is that even is Rage looks magnificent it doesnt compare with PS3 exclusives. Are there any overhyped first party game for the 360? Why use a multyplatform to showcase the graphical abilities when everybody knows that this game is also coming to the PS3? In the other hand I dont think any 360 fan will be able to get their hands on KZ3... yet they will flood N4G saying Rage looks better...at least we PS3 fans can compare both when they are finally out. To little has been shown from Killzone to throw the towel...

PEACE AND GAMING!!

EDIT: Torrence said that at 60 FPS Rage animations will looks better... its half true because to mantain a 60 FPS the animation will suffer. I havent seen a better animated game than UNCHARTED 2( and this is a benchmark) and it runs at 30 frames. Other games just look robotic compared to UC2.

[shoddy]

Davis didn't explain why he said the "tech" is better for Rage not in term of graphics.
I wonder better in what way since he agree that KZ3 have more things happen ingame.

about 60fps, I wonder if all these screenshot only on PC or on all platform cause I never seen a game with 720p "high texture" gragpic"(no cheap graphpic) run at 60fps.

not trying to be a fanboy here but base on my experience I never seen 360 game that is out surpass Gear 2 so I expect either multi disc or subHD like Alan Wake.

@APOFISBORICUA
it might turn out like Alan Wake SUBHD.

[muDD]

Ps3 is a good system, but no one should worship it...

John Carmack has set a new bench mark for games, there is no question about it.... Flamer is delusional as always.

[gaffyh]

Well tbh, Torrence is the ultimate xbox cultmember. They cancel each other out really, in fact HHG is actually a lot less biased than torrence. He actually gives credit where credit is due. He'll always praise Gears and Halo when they deserve praising, whenever Torrence does that it's like he feels guilty because he's an xbox fanboy, though not so hardcore as some.

[muDD]

Game Critics' E3 Awards:

Best Console Game
Rage (id Software/Bethesda for PC, PS3 and Xbox 360)

Best Action Game
Rage (id Software/Bethesda for PC, PS3 and Xbox 360)

Special Commendation for Graphics
Rage (id Software/Bethesda for PC, PS3 and Xbox 360)

I was at e3 and saw rage in person, and it looks better than KZ3... Period... The majority, who are not sony cultmembers, agree. Many top devs agree, and many experts in the gamming industry agree. I suggest not to listen to delusional cultmembers (like Flamer, but to listen to the experts in the field. When looking at rage, it "Does" have better textures, it "Does" have more color, and the character models in rage are far superior (even tho this might be becuase KZ3 has more animations going on in one frame). BUT what suprised me the most is that Rage has better overall character animations. watch both in person and then you will understand, but to each their own...

[WLPowell]

then lets wait til both get released and watch Killzone 3 take home more "best graphics" awards. Remember the "best of E3" awards can get pretty retarded (gametrailers gave Kirby's Epic Yarn best graphics of E3 beating both Rage and Killzone 3, completely left out Gran Turismo)

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

*Grabbing the Cookies*, I ran out of Popcorns in previous article.

Would be good if Rage had any MLAA Included as Killzone 3, Move Support or 3D.

[halojunkie]

guys...we know killzone 3 looks better than rage, and the trolls do to, just dont feed them...

[jden28]

1.BOTH OF THESE3 GAMES LOOKE GREAT AT THIS STAGE!

2. Why does every ps3 fanboy go around touting MLAA, MOVE, AND 3-D

3. MLAA is technically inferior to FSAA as it is LESS resource intensive. Its not used on good looking PC games or even x360 games for a reason and if you go look at the un-edited versions of developer interview they tell exactly why its used on the ps3...Its used because FSAA wasn't built into the hardware of the rsx and it takes a huge hit to performance to accomplish it so they off loaded it to the spu's but they are not capable of moving large chunks of memory around so its broken up into tiny pieces alah MLAA...A CHEAP DIRTY way of trying to get some AA done on the ps3 without the performance hit.

4. I don't want to play my shooters with tacked on MOVE controlls it either needs to be specifically designed for it or not at all...if I can also play it the same way with my dualshock3 why do I even want to bother with move if it doesn't add anything to the gameplay like head tracking or something.

5. I don't have a 3-D tv I bet not 15 people out of the thousands that read this do... Wouldn't it be better served to use the processing for even better visuals and gameplay rather than making a game in 3-D just to support another of Sony's formats pre-maturely...I just don't want it forced on me like the did six-axis with Lair and then ruin or lessen a great game doing it.

Conclusion...Both games look great but I understand what both were saying k3 looks incredible at 30fps and rage does at 60fps... The real question should have been if kz3 would have looked as good if they tried to full off 60fps or how much better would Rage look if they lowered it to 30fps ?

[NastyLeftHook]

killzone 3 looks better than rage

[meetajhu]

Sorry but Rage is already better in its alpha stage. And i think every generation there is no game to beat Idsoftwares games when it comes to graphics. Go to digital foundry and find about killzone 3 where most dropping Fps to 28-27 where the game should run at 60fps. And Rage running at 60fps sandbox. There is no comparsion. Stop being and ignorant pathetic fanboy

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

You are comparing only the Frame per seconds.

''where most dropping Fps to 28-27 where the game should run at 60fp''

Killzone 3 It is in Pre Alpha Stage, wait for 2011 to see the latest build.

Killzone 3 have more and better graphics, are just Facts.

Included with Technology MLAA, x16 Anti Aliasing, Rage doesn't even have that level on Consoles. Only for PC.

Now that Killzone 3 will be designed to run at 60FPS with MLAA, the discussion is over.

[Mr Tretton]

dude, KZ3 is not going to be 60 FPS. That isn't the goal, and I don't know where some people think they've heard that.

Also, 60 FPS does not equal better.

[RatFuker]

cry me a river all you want but killzone 3's graphics pawn rage's.

[The Lazy One]

That's a lot of crying talk for someone that is clearly blind.

[SoSLy]

Doesnt matter to me I'll get both anyways ;)

[Nike]

Reminds me of the ancient times when humanity would shout at the sky for rain to come. Or when we'd pray to the gods to give us the same while constantly going on about it.

Debate all you'd like. I'm gonna be waiting for them to come out while experiencing other great games in the mean time.

[tmt345]

This got in.

[candystop]

Rage kills KZ3 in every graphical way possible. KZ3 is nothing more than a more stable looking KZ2 but it 3d. You guys making other claims are obviously in denial and have no idea what your talking about. KZ2 was break through stuff but now its nothing more than another shooter up against others.

[Colonel-Killzone]

You been sniffing Chalk dust again ?

[Why o why]

when you say things like 'Rage kills in KZ3 every graphical way possible' its obvious you're just projecting. You're entitled to your opinion even if slanted but you sound like the people you seem to loathe and complain about. What does that make you. Have you seen both of these games in completion and running in your face....I doubt it so making dumb ass statements makes you sound....you know....dumb!

[Bobets]

Bet your one of those 360fags who hyped up alan wank to be the "New graphics king", now you've moved on to hyping up a multiplatform game because your "Graphics king" Alan wank let you down?. I feel sorry for you 5 years and still waiting for your "Uncharted 2 killah" to grace your console and now you've gone as desperate as rooting for a game that's also on PS3(RAGE).

[thewhoopimen]

I dunno man... If KZ3 had as "much" things going on as Rage did looking at the demo footage, I'm pretty sure Guerilla could hit 60FPS. There just isn't that much physics interactions going on at the same time. And i'm sorry, but RAGE's animation and hit impact zones aren't anywhere near the same fidelity as KZs. That and I guarantee you sound won't either given the "limited" disc space we all have to live with for RAGE's design. I think that limit will ultimately mean alot of sacrificed features compared to an open 50GB "book"of plays Guerilla gets to work with. That and a whole hardware Engineering team from Sony, a 60 million+ budget, input from all of Sony's 1st party talent including Naughty Dog, and Santa Monica... Carmack may be a super genius, but one super genius with a small team like IDs, isn't going to outmuscle the 300+ in Guerilla's team for sheer art/design output not to mention the other hundreds of other talent pooled from 1st party. it's just common sense. You fanboys can make what you want of it in la la land, but the truth is in your face.

Go ahead and argue how Carmack and ID is gonna work out this one over the whole Sony hardware/software/design team. You're dreaming.

[hassi94]

Well almost all screenshots for Rage released so far are Xbox 360, so even if you don't think they better Killzone 3 (I think they do) then maybe the PS3 version will which id Software said is the better looking version. Then again if that doesn't everyone knows the PC version will blow it out of the water, look at Metro 2033 in full settings with full DX11 tessellation, trounces on any other game but you may not want to consider PC since they're in leagues of their own.

[whothedog]

I thought it was a good debate, two gamers talking about games. But from what I have seen so far I would say Killzone 3 has the edge, a very slight edge, Rage is a great looking game. Also KZ3 looks more chaotic and I think that helps the immersion.

But I think we are going to have to wait till the games are released to really see what game is NICER looking.

[Immortal321]

boo hoo so what. I can get both and kz3 looks and play way better than rage, I mean have you seen the trailer?

LOL I just watch the RAGE ign Live E32010 demo. I realize why tor davis was using the word tech! the game looks no better than farcry2. "Graphically" kz3 takes a sh*t on rage.

[tinybigman]

if people understand that Rage is multiplatform and it will look and run the same on both consoles. so i don't see why a certain group of gamers (they know who they are) always jump on a multiplat game with what it seems to justify their purchase.

both rage and kz3 look great, but with rage it wont have all the crazy stuff going on because its running at 60fps. higher frames means less effects that's why Rage looks like it doesn't have much going on in the open world.

also if people hate HHG so much why do you all keep on responding to his articles/videos?

[J-Smith]

buy both, well if your a ps3 owner that is LoL

this site is getting very 2006/07?

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Shoddy, RAGE is an open world game featuring fast paced vehicular combat along with a decent physics engine and all this at 60fps. For a console game, that's impressive in my opinion.

[menoyou]

This is the first time I agree with HipHopGaymer

[LordMarius]

ITS A TRAP!

[SOAD]

You didn't have to comment on the thread, you know.

[ChronoJoe]

This one isn't even a trap. It's appropriately named. HHG submits this crap normally, someone else did this time.

[RoX_TimE_BomB]

lol its funny to watch how animated HH gets.... I had to laugh when he had to lower his voice at the event lmao

[OOG]

It starts out about Rage and Killzone but slowly moves into basically the technology behind the games and what some games are doing compared to others. Overall its funny to watch. Everyone has varying opinions but we all know these games are looking great regardless.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Torrence hyping up a multiplat & downplaying a PS3 exclusive..

Kind of reminds you of a certain demographic here on N4G no? ^_-

[OOG]

since they are talking about the engines etc.. not really... next time watch the video instead of commenting

if its amazing looking and multiplat... isnt that saying something good about the tech?

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Watch the video? Did i say i didn't?

Torrence saying RAGE is better than killzone3, saying Ninja gaiden & Bayonetta are better than GOW? They were talking gameplay, not engines there.

But alas, there's no reasoning with you.A known Torrence/HHG ass kisser.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was you who submitted this drivel..

[OOG]

Actually I did submit this because its called entertainment... kissing asses hardly (love that you make assumptions tho)... trust and believe I would argue back at any of them I form my own opinion like everyone should.

Since you seem to know me so well? Even though I don't know you? Keep the trolling to yourself I'm a little to adult to deal with your nonsense. If you really don't like their opinions all you have to do is not click on the article. The title and the description say enough for you to make an easy judgement call.

Ill end it there I don't have the time or the patience to play games when I have real ones to go and play. Have a good night/day tho.

[T9X69]

So because someone thinks Rage is better than Killzone 3 that makes them wrong? Last time I checked everyone is entitled to their own opinion, if you don't like that's your problem, but that doesn't mean they are wrong. Just because a game is a PS3 exclusive doesn't mean its better than every other game in its genre.

EDIT: Well they might have played demos of both, or maybe they didn't. Anyone can say a game looks better than another game before they come out. Everyone has their personal preference in games, which is how people decide what games they are going to buy. If I'm at the game store and I see two different FPS games and I look at both, and say this one looks better does that make me wrong? No, its all personal preference and opinions.

[Nitrowolf2]

can they really say which is better?
I have no problem with them saying Rage is better, but how can they say that if they havn't played either game? I mean even if there is a demo that they tried out, wouldn't it be better if this debate was much later like closer to release instead of almost a year before release?
Killzone 3 is still in pre-aplha or just alpha stage. The only part of the story that people know is that its continuation from the ending of the 2nd game which really doesn't tell much, other then the helghast aren't stopped.

my point is how can they say either game is better when neither have played the final product.

[RoX_TimE_BomB]

@nitro I agree with the not debating it till they release... it starts off more as a debate about the engines and what they are trying to offer etc.. with 60fps and megatextures etc for rage tech and killzone 3 doing great with its particles etc...

This all comes from HH basically writing off Rage and say KZ3 is the best etc.. when they still have a lot of time to go.. and still would be personal opinion anyway... If you heard the Warzone I think last week? They had a tiny debate about it as well because of the fact HH was kind of writing off what the Rage engine is attempting to achieve...its not as much about the quality of the game as it is the tech behind it...

[DA_SHREDDER]

I know what he's trying to say. He's just saying the tech behind mega textures is more advanced than what Killzone is doing. You really cant argue with that unless your a dev.

@OOG stop trying to justify your contributions to the site. You have your right just like everyone else. Just cause you like to be a nazi on the bitbag doesn't mean the whole world thinks and acts like you.

[SOAD]

But you are hardly the fellow to point out fanboyism.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

@OOG

LOL! Right on the money! The ass kisser is the submitter.
i don't have to know you to see you sucking up and defending HHG every chance you get.Let's call it, an obvious observation shall we? :)

You call this entertainment? Is this entertainment for gamers now?
No? Even if it was, these two bickering back & forth hardly fall into that category.

@T9

Where the hell did i say they were wrong? Where did i say they weren't entitled to their opinions?? Do you just imagine things i wrote as you type up your little response or what??

I was merely poking fun at the fact that torrence, an xbox fanboy, hyping up multiplats and downplaying PS3 exclusives ties in ironically with the xbox fanboy crowd here on N4G.

But hey, i guess that just flew right over your head didn't it.

[blusoops]

Yes, I thought it was entertaining.

[wenaldy]

That's what you get when you let the flames begin....

[Nitrowolf2]

i mean none of them have been released, nor are the finished with the game.
What Killzone 3 is in alpha stage still, and Rage idk about that game.
This is stupid

Lets have a debate about which game is better, even though i have no idea if the game will end up being crap (not saying they will be)

[DA_SHREDDER]

Teh mega textures? Well, the man is entitled to his opinion. I wonder how much better Killzone 3 would look if all Guerrilla Games had to do was concentrate on the single player aspect of the game?

I mean seriously, how can Rage compare to Killzone 2 with the mech suit and all differnt types of multiplayer levels let alone KZ3? Also, all I see are run down towns, underground bases, mountains and deserts with all the same looking colors and "mega textures", The game looks really really brown and yellow.

Also, Where is all the criticism about that? I remember when every xbox fanboy was running their mouth about how grey KZ2 was even though it has way more variety than what I've seen from Rage so far? By far. Im just callin it like I see. Tor you just get your kicks from fuckin with HHG. You dick. lol

[N4PS3G]

It looks like someone didn't use google before commenting.

RAGE also has multiplayer:
http://www.incgamers.com/Ga...

[DevilishSix]

and its like must fanboys on this site talking crap when they don't have all the info. It would be wise for you Shredman to just shut your hole when you don't know what your talking about. It makes you look like an idiot.

[Blaster_Master]

Rage has multiplayer, but not as in depth as Killzone 2. This game is gonna be like fallout/Borderlands but with good graphics. I doubt people will even play this game much after they beat it.

[SOAD]

I've seen the RAGE E3 demo a few times and there are plenty of different colors to see. The game looks really good. My only gripe is that some textures don't look that good and that the water is not as fluid and realistic as Killzone's water.

Other than that, RAGE is a great-looking game. And no matter what scores it gets on its story or gameplay, it will still be a great-looking game, and that is something that no one should be downplaying.

[ChronoJoe]

Can someone show me some footage of rage, on console? The E3 footage was pre-recorded PC footage. And all the screenshots I've seen have been on PC, too. It's fully plausible that I've missed some footage though, that's why I'm asking.

Which is real useful. I mean have you seen Dues Ex? that > Killzone 3, too. If you compare PC shots.

Anyway, judging by the E3 demo, Killzone does lighting, water effects, and character modelling better. But Rage has higher resolution textures.

[SOAD]

Pre-recorded footage? The guy was playing it in the Gamestop interview.

And I think he was playing it on the 360 or playing the 360 build.

Edit: Yeah, in the first 30 seconds of the footage The Lazy One posted one of the dudes says, "It's on 360, it's not pre-rendered, I could not wait to touch the controller myself to make sure."

So, what are you saying?

[The Lazy One]

http://e3.g4tv.com/thefeed/...

here you go.

[The Lazy One]

someone disagreed with me posting a video... lol... denial.

[meetajhu]

Rage will demolish every FPS released till date. Stop comparing it with any other game. ITs a Idsoftware game and please don't compare it when it comes to graphics.

[pixelsword]

Uh, no.

[zslash]

Entertaining but HipHopGamer seems to miss Torrence's point completely.

[Timesplitter14]

HHG misses all the points always

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

The PC version of Rage looks better than KZ3, but then again...it looks better than almost anything.

When I see a game that even touches God of War 3, I'll let you know.

[telekineticmantis]

killzone 3 looks better. Rage looks great but killzone is super sharp. Also nothing was going on on screen during the Rage demo compared to the killzone Demo. The killzone 3 Demo had massive action. Who knows which will look better and be more visually impressive by the time these 2 games shp but as for now Killzone is more impressive head to head

[oldjadedgamer]

I really hate to argue for either game since neither are actual out yet. It's not like both developers are at the exact same phase at the same time, for us to compare them to each other.

How about when we have the finished product of both, we can redo this article? Or is that too much to ask

[strickers]

Both look very good but KZ3 looks a bit better.Lots going on and smooth edges.Problem with Rage visually for me is the mid-long range jaggies.The E3 version on 360 was quite rough edged in places.May turn out that PS3 version is better but from what I've seen KZ has the edge.If they turn out well I'll get both as they are both look like damn good fun.

[BannedForNineYears]

Hip Hop Gamer.....ugh. >_>
But Killzone 3 > Rage.
Clearly.

[Tron_Rocks]

A few more polygons don't mean crap if the gameplay is suckarse like KZ2 was. Looked good but it was the same thing all the way through. Pretty much the same type of fighting the same bad guys just got old real quick. That's why sales sucked compared to other games. Rage will be a heck of a lot more interested and look just as good.

[pixelsword]

Ironic that you should say that, as Rage used to have three factions, but now they have two because of concessions.

[Gun_Senshi]

Looks better then both on consoles

*hides*

[Timesplitter14]

John Carmack makes spaceships in his free time (not joking, search for Armadillo Aerospace). Self-taught too. What the fuck. He is by far the biggest tech genius in the entire industry.

I'm pretty sure Rage will win the graphics war. ID Tech 5 has all kinds of fucked up features like unlimited textures and stuff like that. It's going to be the next major step in video game graphics.

[snp]

There's a lot of very very very smart people working in programming.

They're just not all celebrities. For every famous person with a 180 iq, i could happily find you 100 you've never heard of.

I'm not saying Carmack isn't formidable, btw, or doesn't deserve his rep for his time and place and what he's done, but there's every chance - at least on the PS3 side - a team of very high iq unknowns, honing an engine tailored to the machine over a half dozen years, with a practically unlimited budget, and the input of teams of other first party developers tricks/experience (which you could say cumulatively accounts for many more years and dollars again), may well be in a pretty good position to compete/excel on that platform when it comes to graphics.

[The Lazy One]

I can tell you that even the best and brightest game developers around the globe look up to John Carmack.

He is one of the few people that after making it huge still wants to put in the time doing the grunt work, and that's what makes him a cut above. Most other genius programmers will make it big and jump to a management position where their knowledge is spread around.

There's a reason he won a lifetime achievement award at GDC this year.

[snp]

There's a reason he won a lifetime achievement award at GDC this year.
----

Sure, because he deserved it. His influence on and transformation of gaming trends - particularly in that ten year or so span from Wolfenstein through Doom, then Quake - has been enormous.

I still think you'll find there's many many unknown or largely unknown others out there though with every bit the smarts and just not the celebrity. I'm not a programmer (though i do know quite a few) but it's been my experience of practically every industry i do know about and have been involved in.

Id Software was pretty untraditional in it's hierarchical structure (partly owing to the era it took off in, and it's foundation as a small shareware co). That in itself is a large reason many of the most creative folks within it - as well as of course the sheer scale of their success - have become household names where others behind successful products and tech might not. John Romero and Todd Hollenshead, for example, have also got very very familiar names to a lot of people.

[Chapulin]

but if I could only buy one game. Killzone 3 would get my money.

[jetlian]

can you compare a 60 fps open world game to a 30 fps linear game?

[snp]

I sometimes get the impression Killzone 3 should whittle it's demonstrated 15-20 characters on screen at once down to 3, dump all it's particle effects, remove the up to 6 tiered layers of architecture and replace it with connected tunnels, eliminate it's raft of environmental effects (the complex turrets, the wind/snow, the massively connected undulating polygonal waves - the whole lot of it), and get rid of pretty much all the lighting.

Aim for 120fps, and say 'see we won! An open world of connected tunnels. Sod all going on on screen, but it's doing it at 120fps! Be dazzled! The numbers don't lie.' etc.

[Colonel-Killzone]

Yes Rage is better because it is 60 FPS ok very nice post. It shows that you are very smart indeed. I never knew all 60FPS games were better then all 30FPS games.

In reality your opinion is dumb as hell. Can't believe 4 idiots agreed with you.

[muDD]

It has better textures
It has better lighting
It has better environments
It has better animations
And yes with all this, it runs at 60fps....

let me guess, ur gonna disagree, becuase u are a well known developer and an expert in the industry who wears a dirty du rag....
no you are gonna dissagree because u are a sony cult member who's life was shattered because "Rage" crushed ps3 fanboi dreams that only the ps3 can handle graphix on the level on killzone. The fact that so many experts in the industry, who have seen Rage in person, have already stated that rage has potential to be best looking FPS on a console... Let's not forget about Crysis either...

[Colonel-Killzone]

Dirty Dew Rag Um excuse me who the fuck do you think your talking to ?

I stated how his post is dumb as hell because its a stupid idea. You must be blind because my Dew Rag is white what the fuck are you talking about kid. What does my Dew Rag has to do with anything. How about you put you're picture up because trust me if we wanna play the game of who can insult someone picture the most trust me you're playing with the wrong person.

PS3 Fanboy dude please. I didn't mention anything about Killzone graphics obviously your ass hurts since you crying about PS3 fanboys. All I said was stating the rage is better because its 60 FPS is ignorant.

Please dude shut the fuck up and get a life. Stop making multiple accounts. The only fanboy is obviously you. Since your defending such a ignorant post. Dirty Du rag...... Please motherfucker you wish I was dirty how about you go take a look in the mirror.

You must not know Dew rags are used to keep people hair neat because I got braids you dumbass.

[jetlian]

video they talk about the tech of the engines. the graphics are close yet the amount sitting on rage is far higher. the speed of the game is a lot faster too. So its not about fps being the be all.

To have graphics that high on an open world game is pretty crazy. Anybody thinking otherwise is on something

[nsnsmj]

nothing I have seen so far of rage proves that is open world. but the game is still a ways off from release so i could be wrong. remember, there is a difference between open world, sandbox, and levels with large maps. and a large map does not necessarily mean its open world.

[WLPowell]

Rage's crappy canned animations for their retarded-AI enemies move smoother in their lifeless-but-large enviornments than Killzone 3! WAY BETTAR GAME!!!

[A change in the wind]

I get both on my PS3. End of story.

[Colonel-Killzone]

The double standards on this article is ridiculous.

Second I can't believe people are saying Rage is better because it is 60FPS and Killzone 3 is only 30FPS. LMAO ridiculous fanboys.

[inception123]

some people are to dumb to know that fps doesn't mean the game looks better. they are just mentioning it because it is higher then kz3's fps.

[inception123]

kz3 wins for many reasons.

1.far more going on in the game

2.hd and 3d

3.2-4 player co-op

4.competitive multiplayer of 32 players(most likely 32 since the first did)

5.large areas that have lots of destructability

6.the best lighting system in any game(there is a level in kz2 with over 300 real time lights at the same time)

7.sound depth of field

8.some of the best effects in any game(snow, water, fire, smoke, sparks etc)

9.no load screens

10.no installs

kz3 does all this plus more and still looks better then rage. if rage did half of these things it would look even less impressive when compared to kz3.

[Spawn-KING]

Ummmm I like to tell everyone Killzone 3 pre alpha kills Rage,in 720p and especially in 3D which is the future of gaming.

[wutangkillabees]

Rage looks sick and i can't wait to play it but did you see how they climb ladders in the game? no animations at all just walking up a wall.also the video i saw it looked like it took way to many bullets to put someone down but im not very sure. Over all though i think killzone 3 will be amazing. but if Rage is better then borderlands then i am going to be pumped. borderlands was amazing.

[xTrueLegendx]

Seriouly Both games look good but killzone 3 has alot going on on screen I think rage Is being held back by the 360 like most multiplatform games :( prove me wrong lol

[Lyesoap]

your mom's loose. prove me wrong lol.

[Colonel-Killzone]

Your a lame immature troll. prove me wrong

[bviperz]

Why compare, if you own a PS3 you can enjoy both!

[xg-ei8ht]

I'll wait till i see rage on my own screen, but atm it still looks good, but killzone3 looks cinematic and i like that.

I know some are saying openworld for RAGE, But just looks like large mountains obscuring the view.

But i'll wait till i see more of both.

[floetry101]

By virtue of the fact that most people here are agreeing with Hip Hop Gamer, they are all retarded.

Killzone 3, whilst an incredible achievement on the PS3, won't touch Rage on PC. All the demos they showed of Rage at E3 were on console, and they still looked incredible.

[WLPowell]

You can pump out super special real textures as hard as you want (everything else will need to be tweaked or there becomes a disconnect with the visuals), the animation will still look lame, the world will still feel lifeless, the enemies will still be dumb as a bag of hammers, and the story and multiplayer (or lack thereof depending) will stay the same (Crysis much?) Killzone 3 will still be a better game, no matter what you think your dream PC can do to Rage.

[The real killer]

Rage looks boring compared Killzone 3.
And why the hell they compare a Pre Alpha version of Killzone 3 agains nearly finnish game?

Even in pre Alpha fase, Killzone 3 looks far better than Rage what almost is ready.
Even Killzone 2 looks far better than Rage, i don't care that some people talk about 60 FPS vs 30 FPS or Linear crap.

FPS genre was always Linear, even Crysis is Linear.
Yes Crysis is Linear, you know why it's just a empty big island with no 100% exploring regions.

And people talk about Linear, even Mass Effect 2 was Linear or FF13.
Those game are RPG genres, so there you want talk about about linear, but talk like crap linear or 60 FPS in a FPS genres is just LAME!!!

And Torrence Davis don't know what he talk about that smart arse, i also think he fools HH gamer :)

[DeathMetal]

Man that is ignorant linear means the game forces you to go here and do this ala KZ2 in a certain order. Crysis is far from that

[theonlylolking]

The pre alpha still looks better. I am not impressed at all with Rage since I was expecting more. Maybe id was talking about PC graphics not consoles. Since I am not seeing much so far for consoles for graphics better than gears 3.

[KongRudi]

I've not seen much of either game, only the E3-demonstrations..
But from what I saw there, I thought Killzone 3 looks much better.. :-/

Especially the water in Rage looked really bad - they can easily fix that on PS3 tough, by going to Insomniac's Nocturnal-page and download the source-code for Resistance 2-water tech, that is fantastic. :)

As for the tech behind the games, both are no doubt impressive, Killzone 2 prooved it's worth, and in the sequel they have 4 simultanous running streaming-engines, wich will probably make it look even better. :)

Rage looked in general good aswell, 60 FPS and all..
The thing wich stood out, were the ugly water, and didn't really show more than one or two of foes at once, onscreen.. :-/

Had big expectations for Enemy Territory: Quake Wars's graphics, after all the megatextures-hype, hopefully we'll see much better stuff than we ended up with on the console-versions there. :-/

I'm pretty certain Torrence is wrong regarding animations.
I doubt that Rage will end up having as good enemy-death animations as Killzone 3, and Killzone 2 for that matter.

Anyway, I think both games will impress graphically.
But Rage need to fix the ugly as sin water.

[Legendary-Status]

of coarse KZ3 want touch PC DUH? but consoles I don't Know bout that 1... HHG has a point KZ3 Strives for the Best by making the area's that you play around come to life...RAGE I didn't see nothing really... it look bland.. so of coarse you Reach 60 frames with Rage... but cancel all the thing's that KZ3 has going on while you play KZ3 will reach the same thing with ease...so RAGE better than KZ3...umm NO!...& 2 say better TECH then GG UMM H*ll NO!

[Playerz8]

I agree with HHG (let the flame wars begin).

Edit: Don't agree with both those dumb asses.

[Antan]

Hey, here's a thing!......Why not (eventually) buy both? If that's not possible, maybe...oh, I dunno.....maybe you could wait for reviews? it's a silly suggestion of course so apologies if people (kids) take offence.

[N4BmpS]

That's a ridiculous notion, that's like saying we'll be able to fly in vehicles in the sky...wait.

[N4BmpS]

I never usually comment about FPS(frames per second) I never see the point since I'm not the dev. But personally I believe that the rate at which the frames run (however high it is) depends on the development team solely.

If a game can look good, have a lot going on in it, and can maintain a high frame rate, the devs should pat themselves on the back. The PS3 and 360 have the power, it all falls to the devs. But if a frame rate is too high and lord forbid you get into one of the more intense scenes of the game and then the frames drop so rapidly that the games gets choppy or freezes. At that point you'd wish they had set the frames lower. I don't know about you all but I'd rather have a smooth running game more than anything, if it's a smooth streaming game running 60 or 100 fps kudos to the devs. But the "FPS" argument is all subjective to me.

[Sez]

I have to say Rage wins over KZ3. KZ3 looks like KZ2 just with 3d add and some improvements. Not that it bad or anything. Just rage look better compared. KZ3 still has that dark feel to It which reminds me of a Tim Burton movie. While rage reminds me of a mad maxx movie.

[DigitalAnalog]

RAGE looks like the best cel-shaded graphics I've ever seen.

IMO.

-End statement

[Sez]

Also I understand why people feel KZ3 is better because it has more going on in the back ground. While Rage looks bland. But Rage is a open world game. While KZ3 is a corridor shooter. So with that said KZ3 can do more because its a linear game.

[paracardium]

KZ3 even in it's pre alpha code looks as good as Rage so the finished product will easily beat it out.

[IneedWeed]

haha comparing Bayonetta to God of War III. Good thing if you have a PS3 you can play both KZ3 and RAGE.

[Hellsvacancy]

Meh, stupid article with a bunch (not all) of stupid people moanin, as 4 ME, ill b buyin them both (day 1), i personally want Rage more ONLY coz ive wanted it 4 longer than i hav K3, Rage gotta announced years ago where as K3 was only this year

I still want K3 more than any-1 but i also want Fallout Vegas and Deus Ex just as much, i dont compare them, my minds already made up

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this but there aren’t any animations when going up ladders. So all that technology going into Rage and they can't even have an animation for climbing up ladders?

As with Killzone 3 I haven't really seen enough confidently say that it will be better than Rage, but based on what I've seen it looks like Killzone 3 will take it.

[Ripyealip]

LOOOL hip hop gamer is gettin cheesed.

[yoghurt]

Have just watched some rage footage for the first time - and I actually cannot believe this is even being discussed - it looks nowhere as good as KZ3, even in KZ3's early stages....

what a waste of discussion

[theonlylolking]

Hmmm 2xAA vs MLAA? Using loads of Cell power vs not using loads of cell power?

I think Killzone has the advantage. It even looks better from what I have seen.

[DFresh]

You cares as a PS3 owner I get to own and play both games.
Doesn't matter to me.
Though I'll be picking up Rage on PC.

[manny805]

why do you guys keep comparing RAGE ON PC vs KILLZONE 3?...COMPARE RAGE ON PS3 FOR KILLZONE 3...OR EVEN 360

[fullmetal297]

All I saw was HHG shoving PS3 exclusives down the other guy's face as "proof" while he was trying to explain how Rage's engine is better because of the 60 refresh rate and high-res textures.

[rumplstilts]

Graphics... don't mean shit.

[ATi_Elite]

I think Killzone 2 & 3 are the only console games that you can compare to a PC game as the level and the depth of detail in Killzone 2 & 3 is amazing along with the animation and all the chaos going on around you. Not to mention real time lighting effects and some real time Physics of smoke.

Sure Rage PC will look great at 1920 X 1200 8AA 16AF 100 FPS but it won't have the depth of detail that Killzone 2&3 will have and that's because the ID TEch 5 engine is nothing more than an Unreal Engine variant (with more tools and C++) and Unreal Engines don't have the level of detail that say a X-Ray Engine, Real Virtuality 3 Engine, or Frostbite 2 Engine posses.

Both look good but I wish Killzone 2&3 were on the PC as it would be nice to see that engine and game run without limitations. Awesome.

[theone26]

looks like I'm LTTP but Killzone 3 takes this easily. Rage looks good in static shots since megatexture provides unlimited texture variations "not texture resolution though" everything is all pre baked so it feels dead. KZ3 simply slaughters it with far better dynamic lighting, number of lights, dynamic shadows, per object motion blur, huge levels 20x bigger than kz2's, by FAR the best particle and special fx on consoles, photorealistic 3d crashing waves and the of course the huge amount of destruction from the epic set pieces. Animation wise is also superior in kz3, the hit response system blows Rage's away. Everything makes perfect sense because rage has to sacrifice visuals for framerate, and cater for the inferior hardware "360". /statement.