Sony: Watch our rivals go next-gen first

Successors to the Wii and Xbox 360 are more likely to arrive before the release of the PlayStation 4, according to a top Sony exec.

[FangBlade]

Take your time Sony.

[Joule]

Their's only one drawback to this, the other consoles will have more sales and people will be like, wow PS4 sucks its in third place again.

[I_find_it_funny]

I wonder if trophies and gained level will carry on :)

[nix]

PS3 is already doing what Xbox 720/WII 2 will do. 3D gaming. 250+ online play. amazing graphics. blu-ray. motion-control gaming.

[Palodios]

I get the feeling Sony learned from its mistakes. They'll put all the bells and whistles in the ps4(like they did with the ps3) like 3d, higher resolution, and whatever the next technology is. But I seriously bet they'll keep it simpler to program for, and much more affordable.

[Chubear]

Are people really this blind? COME ON! How much more obvious does it have to be?

On a side note; the Wii2 is going to be essentially an xbox360. Nintendo can now have this current gen specs in their new system and sell it for $249 or $199 2-3yrs from now and make profit from day one. Essentially making next gen other gamers last gen.

Now watch people go crazy for the graphics of mario and Zelda using 360 specs and ignore the fact that's what they should have been experiencing this gen and not next. Crazy.

@ palodios
ur right. Sony won't make a big a jump in tech as the PS1-PS2 & PS2-PS3 but it'll still be a solid jump. They'll dominate next gen from the get go next gen cause of this but look for them to continue the trend of pushing technological boundries for gaming for the PS5.

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[Danja]

not quite the Wii 2 will probably have graphics like what the PS3 is now outputting just my guess if so the PS3 will still be able to compete , not too sure about the 360 as we really dont know which direction MS will be taking its next home console depends on the outcome of Kinect im guessing

EDIT : @ Below

are you still believing the media crap about the PS3 not having games the first year on the Market ?

Motorstorm
Heavenly Sword
Virtual Fighter 5
Resistance
Lair
WarHawk
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Uncharted
Ratchet and Clank
UT3
The Eye of Judgement
Folklore

come on thats alot of content in the first year and there online system work yes thw PSN was lacking but it was a a new service it was impossible to expect it to out do Live in a year

[Double Toasted]

The PS3 didn't suffer from not having "bells & whistle", it suffered from no games for at least the first year and not having their online shit together for like 3 years. Add that to the fact they came out a year after MS and still didn't have it competent enough.

[BYE]

What people need to realise that you can't compare the sales.

What you can compare is 3 vs 3 years of PS3 / Xbox 360, but not 3 vs 4 years.

Xbox 360: 2006 + 2007 + 2008 = 26m
PS3: 2007 + 2008 + 2009 = 29m

So PS3 IS the better selling console.

[jjesso1993]

even with a year a bit head start the 360 still is only 4-5 million ahead.

and with failers rates who is going to invest in micrsoft console again without waiting to see how reliable is the hardware. any one with commen sense the only reason people rebuy xbox 360's after RROD e74 ect is becuase they have spent 1000 on games.

[Anon1974]

I loved my original Xbox. It was by far my console of choice last gen and was easily the most powerful console on the market. The problem was when it came out it was up against a firmly entrenched PS2 market. The PS2 was still pumping out amazing games and the console itself was much, much cheaper than the Xbox. The Xbox never really had a chance in this market.

Flash forward 2-3 years and I think we'll see much the same thing. The PS3 will be cheaper and have it's position firmly entrenched, and we've already seen what it can do for games. Any new comers are going to have to face off against that - and the cheap price of the PS3 alone will be quite an obstacle for any new system to go up against. And really, what can a new console offer right now that the PS3 can't handle? Slightly better graphics? Blu-Ray? Some other format?

I think it'll be the Xbox/PS2/GC all over again.

[Sitdown]

So does that also not mean that the ps3 is doing what the ps4 will do as well?...or does it not work that way?

[yippiechicken]

Ummmmm....... huh?

[WhittO]

I think the 360 will show it's age ALOT sooner than PS3 will.

If MS released the Xbox 720, I think the PS3 exclusives would be able to stand against it visually.

[cjflora]

Where is the "What the fuck did he just say?" option when removing a bubble from ELEMENTYee?

@whitto - The 360 is already showing its age.

[Seferoth75]

What people need to realise that you can't compare the sales.

What you can compare is 3 vs 3 years of PS3 / Xbox 360, but not 3 vs 4 years.

Xbox 360: 2006 + 2007 + 2008 = 26m
PS3: 2006+ 2007 + 2008 + 2009 = 29m
Wii: 2006+ 2007 + 2008 + 2009 = 60 million
So Wii IS the better selling console

Fixed that for you kid.

[No Way]

And, that should matter to you.. why?

@ELEMENTYee - Uhm, care to try that again?

And, @whitto - I don't believe that.

[cmrbe]

Nin and MS will have no option but at least go for Blu-ray, HDMI 1.3, 3d gaming next gen.

Here is the kicker though. The PS3 will be dirt cheap and basically still competing with the next xbox and wii. However the PS3 will also have a huge installbase that devs and publisher will love and focus developing mainly for the PS3. By then the general mass consumer that flocked to the wii will opt for the PS3.

Last but not least. Sony is one step ahead of the competition in tech and its learning curve. When MS and Nin move to PS3 level specs. MS and Nin will have to learn what Sony have already learned since 2006. Manufacturing process, optimisation and cost reduction which Sony have already learned from the PS3.

As you can see. Sony will always be one step head of competition.

[WhittO]

I was talking about if MS released the 720 soon, not in like 4 years time.

Usually when a new console comes out, the first gen games barely look better than the latest games on the previous gen consoles.

Maybe in 4 years time though, would show age, but PS3 games just keep getting more visually impressive, with no sign of "Maxing out".

[LilSis]

sony dosent need a PS4 anytime soon... lol
MS just came out with that new Xbox that they should of came out with like 5yrs ago...

[RedRingRedemption]

How is Conloles' comment trolling? Jesus N4G, lighten up. People are getting banned for expression their opinion like this.

On topic: Sony's always going for the 10-year lifespan. MS may have gotten a head start early this gen, but look were they are now. Sony is positioned much better--and Nintendo, well, anything they make sells.

[Gamerbee]

MS is stuck between a rock & a hard place. They still cant use blu ray because Sony owns it. & they only hold the market share because they release first & Sony got delayed & had a pretty bad launch. But now Sony is on the ball & MS is plagued with unlreliable hardware, so If a new console is released. Gamers will be very cautiuous. Most wont even take that risk again coz they'll be fed up. Me & my friend are anyway. Thats why we went PS3 & will never go back to MS.

Thats is all.

[BumpFrankie]

Microsoft has already confirmed the 360 can do 3D gaming. They just think, like every other person on this planet Earth, that 3D is just a gimmick and wont kick off. Which is absolutely correct.
Kinect.
360 graphics are still pretty damn good. It all depends on the developer and if they can utilize the hardware properly or not. Unreal Engine 3 runs fabulously on the 360 hardware and the games look good. Now you're thinking: "lawl Gaylo3 grafix suckd huuuuge dicks!@!!" I agree, Bungie's Halo engine is definetely showing its age.

Its not like the 360 cant do "250+ gaemin!!" Once again its the developers who make the game that way. Most developers focus on features, graphics and gameplay more than how many people can connect in one server. MAG is a very bad game and dont act like it isnt.

The only think PS3 has over 360 is Blu-ray.

Keep in mind that I own both consoles. I just want to justify the 360 since you have no knowledge of what it can do.

[RumbleFish]

Don't forget that SONY are selling three software supported platforms at the moment. They have more than 200 000 000 consoles and handhelds out that receive new software, and they will release a new handheld before PS4. In fact they are in first place. And they will be in first place when PS 4 launches because they will continue selling PS 3 just like they are doing now with PS 2.

[Inside_out]

Take your time Sony, it worked out so great coming out last this gen. I doubt Sony will let M$ and Nintendo get the jump on them this time. If they do, it will be very tough for Sony to make up ground.

The next machines will be super powerful and I suspect M$ will have World of Warcraft type of MMO's ready to go. Of course Halo 4 and Gears 4 as launch titles would help. What happens at retail this holiday will change everything. Nintendo is already hurting, Sony is gambling AGAIN, this time with 3D. M$ is hoping to have a smash hit with Kinect. Wait and see I guess.

[Jamegohanssj5]

Kinect and 360 s is the 720. PS3 Move is the Wii 2. Sony wins lol.

TGSI

[himdeel]

...right now there's seems to be only so much farther consoles can go with respect to graphics given they are static devices. So whatever the next iteration of the Micrsoft or Nintendo console is I wont feel like I'm left behind by staying on the PS3. Likewise if new consoles after this generation don't bring anything significantly new to the table the purchase itself is difficult for me to justify.

[Starlight]

Well said. I don't think I will buy a new console just because it has shiner graphics and 6 UB 3.0's. This applies to all 3 hardware giants.

Make a new console by all means, but don't just improve the GPU, CPU and encase it in a new box. Evolve your online services, make the console worthwhile.

[The Lazy One]

Graphics aren't everything, there's still a lot that can be done with GPGPUs and other multi-core CPUs as well as significant upgrades to the memory that would make an enormous impact on the gameplay, not just the graphics. There's also certainly a large amount of optimizations that can be made to the buses that connect all of them.

There's also a lot of optimizations that can be made to the machines to make them better for digital distribution, which is a future all the companies have in mind. It lowers costs enormously for everyone.

[SaberEdge]

You say that now, but when you see the kinds of graphics and physics that the next generation consoles will be able to produce I think you will change your mind.

[Consoldtobots]

I agree with you Chubear in that I think this is MS last hoorah in the console market. HOWEVER, just in case they decide they haven't had enough Sony will wait to make their move in an effort to counter microsoft's copycat strategy for their hardware offerings. Sony will not be 1-upped by copycats!

P.S.

PS3 has already effectively dealt with any industry focus on the 360 as a main platform for their games. When MOVE comes out it will kill off interest in the Wii. I've spoken to several Wii owners about MOVE + HD graphics on the PS3 and they all say the same thing. "When that comes out my Wii is going in the closet". NUFF SAID.

[The Lazy One]

why do people think this? That would be an absolutely idiotic business maneuver. You do not shut down a branch of your company when it starts doing well.

If the 360 were not making them money, then maybe they'd not make a new system, but it's doing very well. It has a larger part of the market and outsold the original xbox and is actually making a profit now. You may hate microsoft, but they aren't stupid enough to say no to free money.

[xxLuckyStrike]

all I can say is Wow...blind, dumb, and deaf aint got shit on U....lol. Sony lost over half its marketshare to the 360 and Wii and yet you seem to think Sony is on top of everyone...lol in the rear with the gear...3rd place.. from 140 million to 35 million...Could be Sony who's had enough..

Copycats....lol

Edit:

PSN= Xbox Live
PSeye/EyeToy= Dream Eye (Sega)
Move= Wii mote

* the list goes on

[Gun_Senshi]

- Dreameye if you had it was only a Webcam, not a motion sensing device.

- XBL was not original, its copy from Dreamcast Online, which was better and more reliable then current XBL

- Move was in production for Eyetoy, before Nintendo even thought about the Wii

[xxLuckyStrike]

- Dreameye if you had it was only a Webcam, not a motion sensing device.

*YA...YOU COULDNT PLAY GAMES WITH THE DREAM EYE...LOL BUT THERE WERE PLANS FOR GAMES..

- XBL was not original, its copy from Dreamcast Online, which was better and more reliable then current XBL...

*IF YOU SAY SO...XBL WAS BASED OFF MICROSOFT AND ONLINE GAMING...I HEARD THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A WHILE NOW...(PC)

- Move was in production for Eyetoy, before Nintendo even thought about the Wii ....

*OF COURSE IT WAS!!!

[moparful99]

This console generation isn't even half way over and your calling victory? Microsofts 360 fanbase is mostly comprised of the people who bought the original xbox, the wii has a solid lock on the casual market. So in essence sony is surviving just fine in a crowded market and is even selling more consoles year on year than the 360. Keep buying into microsofts huge list of PR bull.. I'll keep playing top notch games on a reliable console with free online play..

[The Lazy One]

That would not be very smart of Sony. They'd have to hedge their bets on M$ and Nintendo both messing up so they could hop in, but if neither of them messes up then Sony would end up losing more market share.

Unfortunately consoles aren't always bought off of what's good, but rather what's popular. By the time a PS4 is released, it's hype could be overshadowed just by the word of mouth of all your friends who own a nintendo or M$ console. They should shoot to launch either at the same time as one of them or between them.

There's still probably a couple more years before anything comes out though.

[N4g_null]

I don't know if that's a good idea. SONY does not have a monopoly on tech or artist nore programmers. Sure you guys love their stuff but many like 3rd party games and the competition better.

I think good old raztaz listed some of the PS3 future proof tech.

Blu ray(great for movies but has many flaws like data read write speeds, the industry wants a media that can replace harddrives size and speed wise)
3d graphics(great if you can stand it)
capable graphics( 30 frames a sec, some times HD 1080)
price really it took the PS2 5 years almost to reach that price and it sold crazy well. Expect the PS3 to stay at the same price for another 5 years. Sony just started to turn a profit.

SONY should aggressively focus on clearing these issues into the next system.

The cell is really not the problem when it comes to making games it's the bandwidth. To share data between the spus and even from the GPU will kill your speed.

I don't know. I just bought a new laptop with a HD5000 gpu in it and it was under $1200 with an i7 cpu and 8 gigs of ram. Do you guys seriously believe that this same tech i bought will not be in the next consoles?

Ram is crazy cheap now and nintendo and MS could buy in bulk which would bring down the price even more.

True ram is not the end all be all but with added bandwidth you can make stuff that just isn't possible on the PS3 at 60+ frame per second which would be crazy fast to most PS3 owner now in HD.

This is a very dangerous gamble SONY is pulling and we all know PS3 owners are all about their graphics and many are not loyal to sony, example the PS2 to PS3 adoption rate was shattered in a negative way.

Many PS3 owner have a second system also. Which means they are going to upgrade regardless and then wait for the new PS4 yet if you put nintendo franchise with 3rd party support you have an unstoppable combination.

Just think a hd console with xbox 360 support plus many sony only camps since they are japanese also, with out the rrod then add nintendo franchise which where all pretty much prefect this gen. On top of this nintendo adopts an easy to develop for ethos.

This is why the 3ds has the support it has from the beginning.

I believe SONY is just waiting to see what will happen then make there move. Which is not always a good thing.

Right now look up sdxc those cards start at 64 gigs which is the size of a blu ray and go up to 2 terabytes with out the need of an expensive laser. These things can fit in a ds like device also and is already supported by the wii i believe. Yet here is the kicker the 2 tera version has read speeds 300MB per second the PS3 read speed for blu ray is close to 10md per second. This little card will wipe the floor with blu ray yet blu ray will stay a movie format.

Then we have the GPU situation. the next nintendo is coming in 2015 and the Llano has a lot to do with that. Right now tech wise the wii is effectively a proof of concept in that is pretty much is a system on chip design with both the GPU and cpu on the same die. Expect this same setup for the next nintendo console because it yields the most bandwidth and power reduction and make it possible to scale the chip down and increase profits.

Sure nintendo doesn't make too much tech but SONY competitors do and they like money and nintendo has that.I bet SONY didn't see the 3ds coming at all. next gen is going to be fun. I just hope sony is a big player then.

[Ju]

You sound like in panic mode. Nothing is over just because you don't jump on the first bandwagon which comes by.

3DS is DS market. PSP is Playstation market. We'll see if the 3DS can actually transform the DS into a more core game focused market. I doubt it, though. It will eat into it, but not become the hardcore portable console most here are asking for. It is still not strong enough. I just think, a high end portable core console has a smaller market than one which has the typical Nintendo franchises. I guess a PSP2 will simply blow it out of the water - performance wise and the game will just look better ; i don't expect it to support a 3D display. I even doubt it will work to great in the 3DS (outside in sunlight ??).

The PS3 is just fine. Obviously it will loose against the next cycle of Wii/XBox performance wise. But the question remains how much and how big will the PS3 price advantage be ? Price can play a very important role in that whole scenario.

Also, 2 years can be significant in improving technology. Releasing 2 years later, that is. This even allows to listen to critics of the competitors and try to fix their problems in your own product. I also can understand, that the PS3 will be very competitive during those 2 years.

It would be fatal, would Sony just lean back and do nothing. But I am pretty sure they monitor the technology market very well. They might even have ongoing research, but no clear cut in date, yet.

I personally think, if we can belief those rumors, Sony is working on a third tear gaming machine, in between the PS3 and the PSP. I belief we'll see a PSPad soon. A 6-10" WiFi gaming device, which can run an OS (I suspect Android).

This will open a complete new segment for Sony and grow their market in a not saturated area. They have all the assets necessary to do that. I think we'll see that sooner than later.

With such a third branch, it takes the cost pressure away from the PSP (which will see a PSP2 when the time's right) and the PS3.

There is really no need to run into a post PS3 generation right away which is a high risk high investment project right now. The PS3 works. Why touch it. It still has potential for what it is.

[ChickeyCantor]

" We'll see if the 3DS can actually transform the DS into a more core game focused market."

It already did...
Besides DS is a hardcore system.
Hell most gamers prefer DS over PSP.

[N4g_null]

LOL seriously panic mode, not really sony could leave like nec and I would not be sad same goes for nintendo. Yet it would be sad to see one bail.

Have the attitude that every thing is going to be fine will put your company into bankruptcy. SONy needs to drop this and seriously ask people why they are not developing for the PS3 and why games are being delayed and why people are not buying their latest perfect games.

Ju the 3rd parties have spoken man. That along will insure hardcore support. The PSP and wii are almost comparable tech wise you just drop the texture a little more and take some polys out.Yet the DS has support from every one so i'm not sure where you get the non hardcore idea of the ds from, hell we even got a ninga gaiden and contra sequel!

Then on top of that even more hardcore gamers liked the games coming to the system. Also the DS was the hardcore portable of choice, way more RPGs.

I think SONY is watching also but they better be improving the blu ray tech to compete against the sdxc cards because we all know that nintendo loves sd cards which is why they loved carts also speed.

Nintendo watches tech a little more than SONY i believe since people are always contacting them with new tech, did you know many companies will approach nintendo with tech before SONY? Simply because nintendo is not in competition with them. On top of this SONY is not the intel or nvidia or gaming tech IBM is.

I don't know but seriously keep an eye on other tech my friend. The next gen may not be off the shelf parts like this HD one. Right now nintendo is far more dangerous and tech will be dropping fairly fast and nintendo can also use this gen sales as a barging chip to lower cost even more.

You did look up sdxc right that read speed is crazy and 2 terabytes wow. You won't even need a harddrive each game could be a harddrive!

[FACTUAL evidence]

Hope PS4 gets Xgame chat.

[RatFuker]

What people need to realise that you can't compare the sales.

What you can compare is 3 vs 3 years of PS3 / Xbox 360, but not 3 vs 4 years.

Xbox 360: 2006 + 2007 + 2008 = 26m
PS3: 2007 + 2008 + 2009 = 29m

So PS3 IS the better selling console.

[II Necroplasm II]

PC has superior games? lol! People buy a PS3 for $300,plug it in, grab a controller, hop on the couch and relax.

Now..that is great gaming.

[commodore64]

It's a sad day when this is being spun as a positive for Sony.

Fact is, the 360 launched first and has managed to keep the ps3 in third place as a result, probably for some time to come.
Honestly, after the success of the ps2, who was expecting this?

A similar thing happened with the ps2, which managed to gain additional marketshare as a result of launching over a year before the xbox1.
True to form, the box1 was forced to sell at a loss merely to be

Manufacturers of consoles know, that in any given technology cycle, the publisher who moves first has the advantage of establishing an install base lead.
The 360 success of stealing Sony's marketshare as proven this to be true.

This is why MS rushed the original 360 to market.
This is why the 360 is still ahead of the ps3, even after Sony was forced to sell its ps3 at such monumental losses to establish its install base.

Realistically speaking, Sony would LOVE to launch first - but they simply cannot!
First they need to recoup the losses on ps3.
It's business 101, folks.
Sony attempting to spin their competitor's ability to launch first into a negative, is simply poor form and fanboy fodder.

As expected, N4g ps3 fans eat this with a spoon.
Anything is better than facing the truth.

[moparful99]

What is sad is how you rationalized this poor excuse for a response. Yea the 360 launched first, they did so as an incomplete console. No wifi built in, no hdmi port, no optical out, no interchangeable hard drives, out-dated dvd 9 technology... Microsoft knew the ONLY way to compete with a company like sony was to beat them to market. So they did and at the expense of its fans and userbase. Despite knowledge of the red ring of death microsoft launched anyway and it was a at least a 1 billion dollar mistake. No one knows the true number because microsoft will not release numbers in regards to the red ring of death. Moreso sony continues to gain ground on microsoft and has outsold the 360 every year since 2007. To top it all off sony is actually making profit off of the ps3 now and with the added income flow of ps+ sony is in a position to market and push the ps3 like never before. With a library of exclusives that nobody in the industry can match its easy to see why you and your 360 bretheren are scared and feel compelled to post such utter rubbish online. You are afraid of sony doint to microsoft what they have to every other console since the launch of the ps1 all those years ago.. Keep flamebaiting all you want but it wont change the fact that the ps3 is proving how much more of a value it is then the 360..

[ukilnme]

Well said as usual commodore64.

[Heisenberg]

The way I see it, if MS brings out a new system while the PS3 is still running strong and nowhere near the end of its lifespan technologically, they've got an impossibly tough road ahead. To try to force a new generation, means people have to deal with the growing pains of a new system and the lack of games and developer support, all the while you've got a console in its prime at a great price and putting out top notch games AND it's well established, it's in a lot of homes already. It won't work.

Also MS has to ensure it will be equipped to compete with the eventual PS4 down the road, unless they wanna come out with two new consoles before the PS4. It was hard enough for the PS3 to gain momentum when the 360 had only a year head start, think about a new Xbox competing with a console that's in its 5th or 6th year and running strong... The odds would be heavily stacked against MS.

[starchild]

You're wrong. You are totally underestimating how much excitement new hardware brings. People eventually want to see the next step in game graphics and improved gameplay that more powerful hardware allows for.

The PS3 is about on par with the 360 and when the next Xbox comes out the PS3's graphics will look positively out dated.

I'm already itching for new hardware. I game on the PC and I love it, but unfortunately it doesn't seem like developers are really trying to push the PC anymore. I can't wait until the next consoles come out so we can get better anti-aliasing, better framerates, much higher resolution textures and shadow maps, better texture filtering and so on. Next gen games will blow current games away.

[Heisenberg]

To use your own words... You're wrong. If it were on par with the PS3 they wouldn't need a new system to compete.

[Hitman0769]

Yes please take your time and this time don't just focus on hardware, how about a system that doesn't take 3 years to become accepted by the gaming community. As a Launch PS3 owner I would like to see a much better launch for PS4 so that people don't feel as if the system is a toaster oven that plays Oblivion until games release... JUS SAYIN!

[r1sh12]

I like both my consoles but is obvious that MS and nintendo will have to do it.
The entire difference is blu ray.
Its simple. MS could have saved them selves had the put a blu ray disc drive in their xbox 360 Slim!!!!.
But they didnt.
simple

[Hellsvacancy]

Ps3 is pretty much a PS4 anyway, its gonna b around 4 a while yet

[The Meerkat]

If a Wii 2 or Xbox 720 come with 4gig of ram the PS3 will look very old very quickly.

[theonlylolking]

I think M$ will have 1gb of ram or 2gb of ram and nintendo will have around 500mb.

[Ju]

Wana see. When they launch and PS3 drops to sub $200 at the same time. Good luck with those 4GB.

[jerethdagryphon]

having bucketloads of ram isnt needed in consoles

the ONLY reason pcs ship with huge ammounts is because of the top heavy oses they pack,

more ram enables you to have more things running not nessesarly more games data or graphics as its limited by the speed of the ram and the bandwith

4 gigs of ram in a console would be like doing flowerbeds with a back hoe

inefficiant but i do prefer the desk analogy

you have a desk, this represents the amount of ram say 2 square feet = 256 meg you can only open so many books in that space (no overlap)
however if the ram is faster your arms(the rams speed) and open and close books much faster then slower ram just opening them on a larger desk, so while a 4 foot desk may have more room 512 meg if its not fast enough the smaller ram still is more efficiant, now double that a few more times 8foot 1gig 16 foot 2 gig 32 foot of desk space for 4 gig of ram, if your opening files and such if its not an effeciant design you can waste time trudging across your huge desk to find the file you want.

ballence is needed in all pc and console specs,

ram isnt the end of it.
ps3s 256 of xdr ram is clocked at the same speed at the cpu 3.2ghz

360s 512 is clocked at 733mhz

[The Lazy One]

Half agree half disagree.

You don't need bucket loads of ram, but there are a lot of new technologies where ram could be used to exponentially increase game quality.

Megatextures and their equivalent in game geometry for one. The more ram you have the higher quality the results for both of those will be.

[Consoldtobots]

exactly spot on, I tried explaining the conceptual aspects to console development to the fanboys around here but most are too ignorant of the technology or software development to even understand what is being talked about. These are the same people that use terms like "3corezzz" "EDrammmm" "more rammmmm". I told them they are nothing but PC spec whores and they refuse to accept it. They're also the same genuises that can't even insult you correctly by saying "blind deaf and dumb" when it's ALWAYS been deaf, dumb and blind.

[evilmonkey501]

I doubt four gigs will go into the next consoles...more like A GIG. THATS LIKE A HUNDRED BUCKS IN JUST MEMORY AT CURRENT PRICES.

[kr9091]

Not when you are a huge international company buying them by the thousands.

[jerethdagryphon]

but in general the attitude of folks it put lots of ram in

mega textures and higher poly models do require more ram but not by a huge amount engines can be made to be more effeciant in what they display

but good point

[moparful99]

Jere made a good correlation. Gobs of ram isn't the end all technology, it all boils down to how efficient your ram is. Ram is only so important on pc's due to the fact that the newer operating systems have such large "footprints" Thats where the overclocking of gpus comes in. They are essentially multiplying the amount of data the processor is capable of churnning through. While this generates enormous amounts of heat it allows more processes to occur using the same amount of ram.. It's all a game of give and take by the system and striking a balance. Another thing people fail to take into consideration is that the cell in the ps3 is capable of undertaking some of the graphical processing which thustly increases the amount of data that can be generated. Cpu's arent designed nor are they generally powerful enough to handle these kinds of calculations but sony intentionally designed the cell to do that. We have just scratched the surface of the ps3's potential and just like the ps2 before it the last few years of the ps3 will see games that we never thought were possible this generation.

[r1sh12]

its gonna outlast the ps2 cycle no doubt.
BLu ray is the saviour

[ActionBastard]

I think 6th and 7th gen PS3 games will hold up just fine against Wii 2 or Xbox 720 games.

[iistuii]

I don't care what console comes out next, but if it does 1080p as standard and has at least 8xAA then i'll buy it. Can't wait to get rid of those jaggie's once and for all.If you cant see them on this gen consoles,( and yes your PS3 has plenty of them too), then your kidding yourselves

[callahan09]

If you want to play games that look like, I dunno, the PC version of Bad Company 2 with all shaders, texture detail, and graphics maximized in native 1080p at a solid 60fps, with 8x anti-aliasing, 16x anisotropic filtering, and vertical synchronization, you'll spend 1500-2000 dollars on your rig. It will be a while before they can cram the tech capable of doing that into a console box for less than 500 dollars. And believe me, it won't be good enough to call next gen if all it can do is take the same graphics we're looking at now but smooth them out. It's not like we look at the "PS2 HD" revisions that are coming out for PS3 now as being entirely up to standard for graphics showcases. The next playstation and xbox are going to have to do all that smooth, silky, fast rendering (crazy AA, filtering, resolution, and framerate) while also pushing more detailed textures, more complex lighting and shading, more polygons, more complicated physics and AI instructions.

[WhittO]

Not all PS3 games have jaggies actually, and there are new technologies to take care of AA using the SPU's of the PS3.

I don't know if you have played GOW3 or Uncharted 2, but I barely saw ANY jaggies at all.

Playing through Infamous for the first time, it is full of them, watching the new demo of Infamous 2 and it looks like they have 8 X AA along with higher-res textures and even better animations.

That just shows that as Devs continue to improve and enhance, the PS3 has alot of life left.

I think that Sony shouldn't release a console for another 3 years, any sooner and I don't think I would see enough improvement visually to upgrade.

[LiquifiedArt]

This generation like the others has proven one thing.

Sony has the games, technical prowess, variety and quality for long lasting gaming experiences. I won't jump the gun. Just like i waited for the ps3 this generation, i'll do the same next-generation.

Sony is all I need for gaming experiences.

[Starlight]

I agreed, and thought your post was interesting.

I just think you may need to open your horizons next gen. I will forgive MS/Sony/Ninty for the mistakes they made this generation but I too won't make the mistake of jumping the generation. I'll look to see which system offers me everything I need, if takes 2-3 years extra after they're released then so be it.

I'm thinking of jumping on next-gen when I feel the dust has actually settled.

[LiquifiedArt]

I had an original xbox.

I can't support Microsoft because i don't agree with their company
ethos.

The same is true with Nintendo, because I feel Nintendo has always been about the $$$, rather then anything else. They have constantly produced peripherals, because as a "toy-maker" they make the most money.

Sony is the only who take huge losses to bring their next gaming consoles out and has not charged us to play a game as it was intended to be played....(Offline/Online).

Its a ethics thing and Sony's games are better imo.

[Heisenberg]

Exactly my feelings on the matter. I waited longer and paid extra because it was worth it to me for the end result, and I've been more than satisfied with each Playstation. I'm always open to new and better consoles, I'll always go for what I believe to be the best product, which to me means: the most technologically advanced, and a well built machine from a company I believe to be reputable. But basically it comes down to horsepower. Whether I have to wait a while, or pay a couple hundred more, I'll always go for what has the potential for the biggest, best looking games, in other words the largest canvas for developers to work with.

Sony are veterans when it comes to building great consoles and as long as they keep putting the hardcore gamers first I'll keep picking up their consoles.

[moparful99]

This is exactly how I feel. Microsoft's buisness practices apall me. They rush their product to market despite knowing about the rrod issues, lie to their customers and even accuse them of misuse which led to the red ring, charge for a service that in essence is the same as psn, require that you buy a whole slew of acessories and add-ons to match the ps3 and call it "options". I just dont see how the 360 faithful can put up with so much abuse.

[SaberEdge]

Please come back down to earth. The PS3 and 360 are basically equivalent and next generation consoles will make today's graphics look way outdated.

You will be surprised just how much better graphics are going to get. We aren't even close to creating photo-realistic graphics. Graphics will continue to improve in major ways.

[THC CELL]

Ps4 is not needed as yet

If it was to be announced i would pre order day one

The ps3 is the next xbox and wii - its games

[BeaArthur]

To be honest, other than an HD Wii we don't really need any new consoles for awhile. I'm not interested in paying $800 for a console anytime soon.

[evilmonkey501]

I too want that wii HD! I think if kinekt tanks, we'll see a new box sooner than later, or maybe never if the shareholders have their way..

[NexGen]

Yes Bea, I'm too broke to afford anything new right now lol.

[nickjkl]

i wonder if the next xbox will out put h3D

[evilmonkey501]

you want h3d? get a girlfriend...lol

[Omega4]

If Kinect really takes off MS likely won't be releasing another console for a while, they already said they are in it for 10yrs. If Move bombs and the PS3 continues to remain in 3rd Sony may be forced to act first.

[raztad]

Come on Omega. You really want Kinetic casual stuff to take off? Is that what you want to play, only for the sake of PS3 remaining in third place?

I'll be happy playing UC3 meanwhile, totally dont care what position the PS3 is.

[stonecold1]

started next gen already the wii and the 360 are a gen beyond the 720 and the wii 2 need to come out sooner or later as they are getting left behind end statement

[mrcash]

It's not all about graphics buddy, it really isn't and honestly imo there isn't a big difference between what the 360 and ps3 can produce visually. The ps3 graphics are better, but it doesn't take away from gears,mass effect,reach,wake even the modern warfare games look really good.

[callahan09]

Yeah, but of course the exact opposite could be said, too. Anybody could just as easily predict that if Kinect bombs then they'll be forced to put out a new console sooner.

[bjornbear]

omega is actually that fat ugly basters greenberg, i can't see any other reason why he'd be SO supportive of kinect and MS as a whole. its scary even to me (and i can be quite the fanboy too at times)

[mrcash]

I honestly hope kinect and move both fail, I'd hate to think where things will go if these things both really take off.

[Ju]

If Move bombs nothing will happen at all.

PS3 still has its core audience. It still got 3D games. It still has more sophisticated games with each generation. Move can bomb all it wants, we still play the games we play today.

360 without Kinect, well, that is another story. And the Wii without HD will continue loosing ground.

[Jay520]

Move is just a controller. It doesn't NEED to succeed. If it does fail (which I doubt), Sony still has tons of exclusives lined up to help it sell.

As for Kinect, it's basically Microsoft's last stand. If Kinect fails, Microsoft has nothing left for 360 except for Gears 3.

I personally hope Microsoft stays with 360 another 5 years. It'll be interesting.

[OSU_Gamer]

There is no personal opinion in Omega's statement. He is making a prediction.

IT may be completely wrong, or right. He is showing no support either way. Lay off.

[ActionBastard]

Cap N Save'em to the rescue! Of Omega no less.

[GarandShooter]

Bullshit. He's showing his bias. Why wasn't his example about Move taking off and Kinect bombing?

Stop being a fool and read between the lines.

[OSU_Gamer]

Because he thinks that's whats going to determine the future. Reading between the lines and being ignorant are two different things. You are ignorant.

[RageAgainstTheMShine]

Yeah piracy keeps the Xbox3fixme a few million RROD units ahead.
For a non pirated system to sell 36 M units is unprecedented.
A victory already all its own for four years now.
And yes the PS3 will stay strong for 10 or more years at an affordable & mass market price long before the other consoles arrive.

Xbox 3shitty PS-Wanna-be is on extended life support that can only do it while standing and its only a matter of short time before MicroShaft dis-Kinect it like it killed its Courier and Kin.

[Starlight]

It's a shame we can't bubble down posters for their lack of foresight and intelligence. I think we get it, Omega clearly hates the PS3 and Sony. Sometimes his comments are ok but he's obviously doing this on purpose just to get people riled up. Might need to block him tbh, it's the best way to beat trolls.

Infact, I'd have more respect for Omega if he is indeed trolling. If he's not, then he's just not really as intelligent as I thought.

[gravesg]

We'll have the best hardware AGAIN!!! ... and when the 1st and 2ndgen games come out the 3rd gen wii and xbox will barely be able to hold a candle ... :) ... i hope we get custom music sound trax this time around, and maybe cross game chat .. hell while im at it .. how about they ship every unit with a headset :) .. with that in there .. the xbox wouldn't have a reason to exsist MWUWAHAHHA *submits evil plan to sony*

[The Meerkat]

Does the PS3 still not do that?
That sucks.

[nickjkl]

ps3 does it developers just have t allow it killzone 2 has it but only in multiplayer

and if killzone 2 can do it im pretty sure other games can as well

i guess so it doesnt mess with the music they worked so hard to create

[kneon]

It already does that, but it's up to each developer to enable it so not every game supports it.

[SINN_SKORPIO]

Yes it does that. It's been doing custom tracks for awhile now. I don't know what the hell gravesg is talking about.

[macusa22]

Modnation Racer have Custom music sound track in every mode.

[acere]

the xbox wouldn't have a reason to exsist MWUWAHAHHA *submits evil plan to sony*

[stiggs]

What is with this "We" stuff? You're a consumer that bought a particular piece of electronic hardware. You're not part of the Sony conglomerate. The only time that you factor into their "plan" is when you conrtibute to their bottom line. Sony (or any other corp.) does not give a crap about you unless you are buying their products.
Sorry...enjoy your choice of gaming system but don't be a sheep.

[gravesg]

sony defense force ??? *pulls out SDF badge* /s ... man u guys dont read sacasam very well here.

and about the custom sound trax ... i dont mean on select titles, or just in mutiplayer mode, i mean whenever im playing a game, not just in a specific mode, i dont want to worry if the developer implemented it or not.

i pray GT5 has it implemented, it's something i've wanted since prolouge.

[madmonkey0]

he is a stake holder

[Droid Control]

I think they are making a mistake.
They should aim to lauch the PS4 at the same time as the 720. No sense in letting M$ claim 1st or second place again while they're stuck in last place with devs supporting the other platforms because they have shipped more units...

[raztad]

Sony built a console to last ten years. The strategy is pretty clear:

1) Capable hardware

2) Devels used to the hardware

3) $200 price

4) BD

5) 3D

I would say the PS3 is just getting started, and it is totally irrelevant for Sony who comes first. The Ps3 will have a 5 years headstart.

[DeathMetal]

Why would you want it to last that long. The hardware is not that great 720P at 30 FPS for another 5 years is weak and laughable. They need a new one by 2013 at least. @ below when the 720 releases it will have better hardware than the PS3, or at least it should. All xbox would have top do is be 1080P native on all games and people will flock to it.

[Ju]

Yeah, 1080p and a DVD drive. /s

[Persistantthug]

That was kinda funny.

[Jay520]

When you really think about, why do you care who sold the most consoles altogether. It doesn't translate into the more successful console. 360 has sold more than Ps3 but is more successful in the long run. I think once the 720 releases, it'll be competing with the Ps3 for the first few years. Then the Ps4 will release and do its thing. It's seems like their in different generations. Sony doesn't have to rush. The Ps2 was outselling the 360 up until 2007/2008. Now the Ps3 is outselling the 360 today. 360 is successful, as is Ps3.

[raztad]

"It's seems like their in different generations"

I somehow agree with you. Sony is playing its own game at its own pace. They have been successful so far, even if the PS3 is still some millions behind the xbox360. When the xbox720 gets released the PS3 will be many millions ahead and the xbox fanbase split.

@cbhamblin

"All xbox would have top do is be 1080P native on all games and people will flock to it."

If console owners were that desperate for 1080p/60fps they all would be playing on PCs right now. Besides the PS3 at $200 will have a SOLID price advantage (for the first time) and a huge library of AAA games backing it up. Not to mention you forget PS3 devels are still getting more and more of the hardware. Gt5 runs at something in-between 720p and full HD/60fps. inFAMOUS 2 is aiming for 60fps, MS:A probably will get the 1080p treatment.

[Gun_Senshi]

Any dev that thinks that X360 or Wii has a bigger user base then PS3 for people actually buying games is horribly Wrong.

One word.

PIRACY

[DeathMetal]

I agree with what you are saying for the most part and if you read this site all the talk is this looks better than this and so on. Your point about PC is valid , but I was just getting at people will buy the newest and latest thing if it is available. And i do agree that the games keep getting better so the PS3 has life left for sure, I just think a new one will come shortly after a new xbox. To me next gen means 1080P at 60FPS maybe the PS3 on future titles can do this, we will see.

@ above Don't worry the PS3 will get pirated too eventually, even though it is unfortunate that people pirate it will happen.

[Snakefist30]

Don't worry the PS3 will get pirated too eventually

Only Loser Gamers Like U Who Wants Ps3 TO Be Pirated So Tat They Cud Buy Ps3 Games Cheaper Cheap Shit.Not Only Ps3 But 360 And Wii Too.

Yea If U Want to STORE Pirated 50GB games on ur ps3.Ps3 Will Never Get Pirated No Matter How Hard They Try.It Will Get Pirated By The End Of Its Cycle.

[PS3ROCKS]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DeathMetal]

Did i ever say i wanted it to get pirated you moron. I said it will probably happen cause pirates are relentless and smart. I hate pirating but it happens learn to read and try and learn English too you tard.

[EliteAssassin81]

just like in the old days when the 360 first launched. The ps2 had no problems competing with the 360, so I don't see any reason why the ps3 couldn't compete with the wii 2 and xbox 720.

[N4g_null]

The biggest problem with what you said was the PS2 was the hands down winner of last gen with tons of 3rd party support. Now you have a PS3 that is relying on 1st party games that are not even selling better than a MS with almost no 1st studios and a nintendo that pretty much just perfected their game play system for most of their franchises.

If nintendo get HD porrt support and new nintendo franchises or just even sequels they will crush the competition unless MS comes with some thing different.

SONY is only in a waiting pattern simply because they can get any more credit till the massive debt of the cell R&D is payed off. They can maybe pull some thing out of the PS3 design yet I'm not sure that will be enough to fight off an HD capable nintendo console and a Ms console which is sure to be a laptop next gen LOL.

SONY needs to make more ip that lots of people will buy to become relevant and replace the 3rd party support they lost this gen due to development cost and difficulties with just pushing or making games.

I know many want to believe the PS3 is the PS4 but if it was that would be a 30 fps mess and disappointment.

[younglj01]

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[Colonel-Killzone]

The only way I see this happening is if you use your previous account you had for the PS3 onto the PS4.

[DeathMetal]

in your opinion? Was wondering about this myself, new PSN network perhaps?

[Ares84PS3]

I'll will wait for the next Playstation. In the mean time I got my PS3 which is still awesome.

[theonlylolking]

It is sorta weird that sony says the other consoles WILL be out before them. Are they just waiting until M$ and nintendo release theirs?

[BeaArthur]

They are probably just assuming that because their consoles tend to have a longer life cycle and have better tech that the other two will be outdated before the PS3 is.

[ranmafandude]

i'm enjoying my ps3 so much. it has a long lifespan ahead of it just look at the exclusives. oh well i'm gonna do just like i did when the ps3 came out rock last generation lol for a couple of years lol.

[NYC_Gamer]

ps3 is strong enough to hold its own

[capinchronic]

Who wants to buy a new game console every 4 years?? wiitards and xbots thats who.. I'll stick with Sony and there 10 year life cycle for consoles more gaming awesomeness for my buck... My launch 60gb is still going strong and just keeps getting better with every FW update.

[ivant]

If it has higher and better 'specs' and only costs around $200 then I'll buy one straight off....and I'm a Sony fanboy.

I'd gladly buy a $300 Ps3 every 3-4 years if they doubled the memory, improved the game OS & features, reduced the heat and energy consumption of the Cell and GPU.

Think of it as upgrading your PC and Windows every 4 years, but with the price being relatively cheaper.

[TheBuIIetSponge]

Wii 2 and Xbox 720 are already needed.

[gtsentry]

why are they needed alredy,people are still running out and buying consoles everyday,xbox 360 is not even maxed out yet,dont no about the wii

[TheBuIIetSponge]

As an Xbox 360 owner I'd say it is. Not sure I'd be willing to buy it though. MS is scaring me with the shit they are doing.

[sal77]

last i checked wii is 60+million strong and still leaving the shelves

[edhe]

And not making enough money off the games people don't buy & play that aren't nintendo.

[Meowhammad]

Sony does what MS can't, and what Nintendon't.

[PimpHandHappy]

Ninetndo will bring out a new system in the next 2 years

MS will start talking about a new system in 3 years and release in 4

Sony will not talk about a new system and release a new one in 7 years

[stiggs]

There is not a chance that their will be a 4 year gap between the next release of the XBOX and Playstation. I believe that the next consoles would be released less than 2 years apart (at the most).

[kneon]

If Kinect fails to significantly grow the Xbox market share then expect Xbox.next in 2012-13.

The PS4 will likely be out in 2013-14, remember the playstation generations overlap. It's not 10 years between console releases, they still sell the PS2 more than 10 years later but the PS3 was launched 6 years after the PS2.

The Wii.next could appear at any time but I expect no later than 2012.

[asdf12]

I think they do this, check out the other consoles hardware and then make sure the PS has better Hardware.

[LiquifiedArt]

They already know the technology curve and know what a one year gap will yield. The R&D is alreayd going on as we speak. You can't just pop a ps4 together overnight lol.

[frostypants]

Actually, they almost could. Just toss the latest version of the Cell in there (or better yet, two of them), a newer GPU, and more memory, and they could have a new system out pretty quickly from a hardware standpoint. They shouldn't need to goof around with the fundamental architecture too much this time around. I also doubt the PS4 will be anywhere near as expensive as the PS3 was when it came out.

[csreynolds]

.... because Xbox's technology is outdated and Wii's is considered average at best. On the other hand, videogames developers aren't even close to maxing-out the PS3's technical capabilities. While Microsoft and Nintendo are busy plugging their new systems the PS3 will still be going strong.

Slow and steady wins the (console) race. Sony's really up on their game right now (forgive the pun), and there's still plenty of life in our current little black boxes.

[ravinash]

well, when MS stop selling the 360 and come out with the new one, their sells will will start back at 0.
So if PS3 is still going to be selling...for how many years...then Sony can turn round and say more PS3 have been sold that 360s. (assuming it hasen't done that already worldwide).

Should make things interesting when all the fan boys start arguing their numbers.
MS started 1 year early, Sony finished 2 years later....it just goes to some numbers really don't mean anything.

[GrilledCheeseBook]

360, wii and ps3 are outdated

[xg-ei8ht]

I hope they do wait.

Wait until xbox720(if the shareholders allow it.) Wii 2 are released.

Keep a close eye on what graphics abilites they have and then unleash hell.

[Dnied]

Microsofts goal for 720 will be to make a system that will allow developers to create games as good as uncharted 2 (visually) lol

On the other side though, MS obviously knows how sony is doing, they know what they did to get to this place and will most likely prepare for it a bit better next time. (ie it will have the larger harddrive, it will have 3d, it will have built in wifi, it will have blu ray etc... (can ms even use blu ray?)

They're going to try to make predictions and create a system that is future proof to them because they know now that Sony is committed to their 10 year plans and throw in all the latest technology so that in 10 years, it still won't be too outdated.

Let's not forget, MS has only been in the console business for 2 gens, I'm sure they've learned a hell of a lot from 360.

Still though, even those listed features will only allow the xbox to catch up to the ps3, who knows what else they can/will add to a next gen console.. the only thing that might hold it back is the fact that MS doesn't like to take chances and will probably play it safe, using what all the other consoles have already and improving on them slightly with better specs

Either way, I dont want a new console yet, the ps3's capabilities are only now being taken advantage of so I can't wait to see what devs do now, versus the first year or 2.

[frostypants]

Nah, MS will never figure out how to do hardware right. Seen the new 360s? It's uglier than the old one...

[Azurite]

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"... in my opinion."

[bjornbear]

they didn't build their console to last 10 years.

sony always does, they take their time and always meet their mark, so no rush =3

doesn't anyone else feel the 360s + kinect = new xbox console? i think they will not release anything for a few years either.

[hi2]

make games which can push the ps3 as hard as god of war 2 pushed the ps2 and we can wait some more

[liveActionLeveler]

God of War 3!

[hi2]

gow3 has the best graphics IMO but keep in mind that it's game director himself said it used only 40-50 % of ps3's horsepower

[otacon68]

PS4 is already here. 3D and 1:1 motion control with move... I donť think you can do much more next gen. Just better graphics, but that doesnť matter much...

[Dnied]

That's the thing though, that's still just the PS3, its what they had in mind from the beginning :D theres no PS4 yet, so I can't imagine how fkin awesome that will be lol

[ivant]

Sony must not give the competition a head start.

Motion control, HD gaming, are here to stay and 3D has potential.

Sony already has all three.

So all it has to do is release a Ps3 Evolution....with all of the above, a better Cell processor, double the RAM and with a $250 -300 price tag. It will easily compete with the 720 or Wii2.

[divideby0]

just design the freaking thang properly......not what you did with the 360

[jaosobno]

I don't care. Xbox 360 was my first current gen console (until it was replaced with ps3 slim). I won't repeat the same mistake in next gen by buying microsoft product again. Once was more than enough.

PS4 is my only choice since I prefer quality over torching down my house with faulty power brick and losing my hearing to loud dvd drives/coolers.

It's quite normal that Nintendo/Microsoft push consoles on the market sooner than sony since their hardware was already obsolete on launch day (no HD/DVD9).

[Roozium]

So you don't think that Microsoft have learned from the mistakes of the first 360's?

[jaosobno]

Microsoft has proven itself a company that learns nothing from its mistakes. RROD is proof of that since that problem still exists despite numerous console revisions and even complete redisgn (360S or whatever it is called).

It is not consoles and other failures (like zune, kin, etc.) that fund that company, but windows and office sales. So they can afford stupidity when they have worldwide monopoly in OS.

[sanshatak]

wtf,are these guys really stupid that they say that ps3 is doing already next gen games,graphics,u are guys are completely stupid,or 5 year old kids that now nth abth gaming but bulshiting by saying that,do you think like uncharted 2 vs gears 2 or kilzone 2 vs BBC 2 are = like gears 1 vs god of war 1,or mgs 3 vs cod mf 2,u are completle retarted if u think so,the next gen consoles will do triple or even more times better than this gen,and untill then they wont do another consoles,as far as i guess we wont see new consoles anytime soon,as the tech is not that fast developing nowadays

[trancefreak]

When the pc or pc games make the current consoles like hd to a 1960s era color TV it'll be time to console up in my opinion.

I agree with your statement though but I think this console gen came closet to the pc environment ever in history as far as I know.

[Odin777]

Are you on crack? I imagine you typed that at about 300 words a minute. Although I agree with your last statement.

[Gr81]

Tech advances so quickly. If M$ or more importantly, Nintendo releases a console in the next 2-3 yrs or whatever, and Sony thinks the PS3 is going to maintain its momentum when that happens, they've another thing coming. They can't maintain momentum (against Wii) How would it do that against Wii's successor? And if M$ also releases a new console, PS3 will feel dated.

Also, PS1 and PS2 came off of winning gens, so they could dictate a lot of third party actions to a degree. PS3 is not going to win the gen, and history shows that the losing company is usually the first out the gate to signal the next one. However, because of the Money lost by Sony, they are in no rush to invest and possibly lose millions upon millions of dollars again.

M$ investors, even want M$ to drop the Xbox, I don't think people realize how much money has been lost by Sony and M$ this gen. I don't think ANY manufacturer is in a hurry to start the next gen of consoles.

[sanshatak]

and for those stupid fans that think that ps3 is a equal to a next gen system,i d like to say that ps3 graphics are slightly better that 360 and worse than pc,and nowhere close to what we are going to see in the next gen,ps3 is a great console,but please dont overrate it,it is a good console of THIS gen

[trancefreak]

I think people are just hyped by the new features these consoles are getting that will extend the life of these consoles.

When new consoles come out I want them to able to handle the current gen of pc games and maybe do a little more with software trickery.

The good thing is the pc sets the bar keeps evolving which allows for consoles to try to emulate.

[Xfanboy]

PS3 will look bad next to next generation Xbox So Sony will have no choice but to launch PS4!! Imagine if 360 was out 3years before Ps3!! 360 vs PS2?? nah!!

I'll save money & just uprade my gpu 2 years after..

PS4 will be $400-$500 assuming it will still use bluray to keep it cheaper..
Every game will be 3d enabled with any 120hz tv..
Online gaming will be $20 for 6 months...
Playstation Move will still work with PS4..
PS3 backwards library(Including all PS2 HD remakes)..
will be able to purchase DLC from Your Iphone or PSP 3d for your PS4..
& finally Uncharted 4 as a launch title..

Im sure next consoles won't use quad core so it's ok..

PS5 will be a cloud gaming service like Onlive!!

with all the advancements everything is heading to one thing being a PC purely for gaming..

MS will develope a stronger 1st party (Won't make the same mistakes as with 360)& have some kinda 720/PC gaming connection through windows 9 streaming videos,music & Pictures from PC <---> 720 & cross platform gaming with some games..
720 will have an awsome web browser (Internet Xploria)can use Mouse & keyboard
Finally 720 will use Hd Dvd type of discs purely for games & all 1080p Movies will be Stream from the internet.

[hi2]

k

[LiquifiedArt]

wont happen. Its not what Microsoft's policy is. They like short-term, instant gratification.

$$$(consumers) > a loyal fanbase

[Xfanboy]

So they will succeed in the USA!!

[Samus HD]

i think Nintendo will win for sure
about xbox don't know

[ElementX]

I don't care which next-gen system comes out first, I plan on owning all of them like I do this gen!

[etownone]

I think Sony learned their lesson and will make sure not to let MS get that jumpstart on them again. If MS unveils the next Xbox with Master Chief as a launch title, I can only assume that game will look sick!, a year ahead of Sony again, just expect the same results ... As in Sony chasing MS all gen long.

Even the most hardcore of Sony needs to realize this .... Why keep saying MS only has a 5 million lead ... Do you guys forget Sony was the leader the last two gens...'with last gen having sold almost 100 million more than Xbox. What MS did this gen is nothing short of amazing even with the infamous RROD.

Anyways, looking forward to a Nintendo HD console. Can't wait to see some Mario, Link, and Samus is full HD.

[El-Fenemeno1213]

I'm cool with that, I rather have quality, plus, PS3 doesn't seem like it has reach it's limit.

[washingmachine]

i dont care,when games are made the right way for both 360 and ps3 they look good.

[J-Smith]

*Sony: Xbox-Kinect and Wii-Fit-2 will beat PS4 to market* LoL

[Nugundam0079]

The more and more I keep reading posts on this site..the more convinced I am that this site IS a pro PS3 site...kinda disparaging because i thought this was news for gamers...not news for ps3owners who like to bash everyone else's gear..

[digoutyoursoul8]

they are lame, fucking lame. spouting shit on the internet to make themselves feel better, you cannot let people like that get to you they are pathetic

[Odin777]

I guess all the xbox fanboys must be butthurt from something (I don't know what...don't particularly follow the flamewars) so this site is saturated with PS3 fanboys lately. It doesn't really bother me though I just laugh when I see people getting worked up over this stuff...I'm actually more annoyed with the people who whine excessively about this shit more than the fanboys themselves.

[digoutyoursoul8]

"The ps3 is the next xbox and wii - its games "

ha ha how fucking lame the fanboys have got, a new low for n4g

[Bluemaster77]

I personally am ready for a jump . I want more powerful hardware this Lack if 1080P is ridiculous as well as this 30FPS gameplay just a shame i def dont want that going into another 5-6 yrs

[saimcheeda]

as they want a 10 year life cycle and releasing the PS4 later will give SONY the advantage of having a 'Newer' and 'More exciting' console in the market at least for the first 6 months!

[Allowen]

The Xbox720 does not need to be that powerfull since its best games (in terms of graphical power) will be made by 3rd party devs.

The next MS video game will probably be able do as many things at once as possible since these Vgs these days looks more like a personal computer but it will not require a too powerfull GPUU( bc of what I said above) and so it will help to reduce the price of the vg.

It is expensive extreemely expensive to make games like GoW3 or KZ3 and make then pop at least two games like that per year
Expecially to MS that does not own a single uber studio . They can't eternaly keep paying $50+ for every game ...

Once again the best VG hardware on the next gen will be developed for the PS3 since it is the ONLY plataform that really needs all the power possible.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

MS and Nintendos games can't compete on the same technical level as Sonys... makes sense to me!

[JAMurida]

I don't even know why people would want a PS4 right now. IMO, PS3 has reached the point of not even being on fire anymore... it's just melting now. And with all the attention it's getting and all the games that are coming out soon, why would they make a new console??? I personally see at least 3 or more years left on the PS3 before Sony moves on to next gen stuff.

I can't really say the same with Nintendo, yet. Going off of E3 2010, it seems Nintendo is more about pushing the new hand held hardware atm. MS, I would say would be the first to do it, but it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo went first.

[Dellis]

SONY to be 3rd place again, they don't care about PLAYSTATION

they use it to push other mediums like BLU-RAY and now 3D

[trancefreak]

so they should just stop supporting the ps3 move on to the ps4 just to be first out.

Hey sony supports ps3 with a plethora of games and dont know what ps your thinking of.

Sony has so much going for the playstation brand right now more than I can link or think of.

I have so many thing I can do on my ps3 sometimes I cant decide what to do with it next :)

[SuperStrokey1123]

As long as its not like a years difference and not any time soon im ok with that.

[GigaGaia]

Why rush the PS4 when the PS3 is still gonna be superior to the new Wii and Xbox?

[Cocodor]

is it?
the wii will soon have overpopulated the market like the ds and the 360 begins to be too limited at the dvd level.
both will need an upgrade and the rumored year of 2012 for the next gen seems to be true.
I don't see sony being too much late behind them however, so no "10 year cycle" for them

[EXID]

sony doesn't care about "jump starts". they'll release their new console when it's actually ready, unlike SOME companies. as for now: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it.".

edit: i hardly think gamers really only want a gamecube to wii jump again, do they?

[Chrissy]

A huge brake trough for sony. They realized they are incompetent and will finish next gen 3rd as well.

Another 6 years of sony fanboys melting down than, another 6 years of great business for N4G.

[ForROME]

Xbox owned the first half of this gen, SONY is owning the 2nd half, I would rather end good then start good

SONY is bow in cycle to be in 3rd everytime temp, however Im not sure its the smartest move, time willt ell, I can tell you this next time around PSN better be up to snuff or I will leave PS for good.

Put a dam mic in the box, have your infrastructure built ground up for games online, dont be so linear with great Single player games but no 1st part online games that rock, mag yawn, you need a ULTIMATE online exp game that everyone, wants

[gamingisnotacrime]

the PS brand is on a cycle of its own,no other console has proven to withstand the 10 year cycle and Sony has done it twice and now they are looking to 3peat. The PS3 looks like it was launched last year with all the 3d BluRay, 3D games, unmatched quality of games that feel more like a movie, all ahead of the competition by a longshot. MS can have their years headstart and what not, by the time the 360 successor is released the PS3 will be even cheaper and the games will just keep coming one after the other, add BLuRay and is easy to see the PS3 market is here to stay for a long time

[ForROME]

First off just because it last 10 yrs doesnt mean the GAMING cycle is 10 yrs it means THEIR system is, its not 5 anymore but its not 10 because SONY says it is, its more like in the middle 7, and no one cares in the end of your "10 year" if you sale more as the masses have moved on to the next gen and most companies who make games as well

there are exceptions but over all thats how it rolls

[ASSASSYN 36o]

This is the most vague article I ever seen on this subject and people ate it up!

[gamingisnotacrime]

the results have been fantastic, BluRay and all the PS3 is up to date with present consumer demand and it delivers in all fronts, let MS and Ninty bring a console with a 3-6 years lifespan

[The_Zeitgeist]

Yeah PS3 was worth the wait. Now, not at first though.

[The_Zeitgeist]

I would hope so, considering MS and Nintendo didn't promise 10 year life cycles.

[SQWERCH]

Nintendo is the only company out of the three that if people would stop buying the WII all together Nintendo has already made its money on the WII Sony is in the hole still with PS3 and Microsoft is still in the hole for the first XBOX and the 360 so I dont think you are going to see anything from MS either anytime soon, they have to make there money back because it was already said that the investors are not happy with the XBOX sector of the company.

[The Great Melon]

I don't know if it is a good thing for consoles to be all release at the same time or be spread out every 2-3 years. If they were more spread out 3rd party exclusives might comeback, but the amount of games might go down. It's interesting to think about.

[muttonface]

Wii HD will come out in 3 years, Xbox 720 will be out in 2017 and PS4 a year later. My reasons for such a long wait until the 720 and PS4 is because the capabilities are already amazing as they are (look at RAGE for example). Also it would just cost about a katrillion dollars and end up taking a decade to make a game.

To add to that I really feel both companies have a future proof system, even the Xbox. They have already been stated the 360 can do 3D and they seem to really be happy with all the digital downloads that they are pushing. Both consoles have updates ready to improve themselves for the future. Sony has a slight advantage in the end due to their Blu Ray player but really both have the ability to go on for another seven or eight years in my opinion. There really is no need for new consoles with the exception of a new Wii but I know I wouldn't want to be spending $999 on a PS4 and I doubt many would too.

[die_fiend]

U say 'my prediction?' as though it's going to be insightful. Surely your prediction is the worst ever posted. Last console cycle was about 5 years. And you're predicting 12 years for both Microsoft and Sony for this one?Sony said a 10 year cycle (which doesn't mean that the next console is released 10 years after) and you think it'll be 12 years til they bring a new one out?

[vsr]

If MS+ Nintendo use DVD in next console , people won't buy...

If they use Digital distribution, people won't buy...

If they keep 360,Wii until 2012-2013 or beyond, people will MOVE to PS3...

If they make expensive consoles that surpass PS3, people won't buy...

So---> All routes are blocked---> CHECKMATE!!!!!!

[Shnazzyone]

Sony is going to let it's competitors release new consoles without releasing their own. It's extremely likely that at this point in time it is more then doable to outdo the graphical capabilities of ps3 with new hardware. Sony doesn't want that to happen, then their high price tags wont seem justified.

I predict that the PS3 "10 year cycle" is mostly alot of hot air. Sony loves to paint itself as more futuristic then it actually is. In reality most their tech is available in other forms elsewhere but usually sony want's to make sure all their tech requires you to buy more sony tech... memory stick is a prime example.

My guess is we'll see a ps4 at roughly the same time as MS and Big N. Yet still Sony fanboys will probably fervently insist they weren't lied to about the 10 year cycle.

[JustTheFactsMr]

You don't understand what they mean by the 10-year cycle.

PS2 will go at least 10 years. Longer in other markets of the world.

Doesn't mean they don't introduce another console during that 10-years.

You should read more about the loooooooooooooooong tail.

[FFXI101]

If Nintendo and M$ decided to bring the next gen systems out before Sony, I don't think it'll sell well for the M$ and Nentendo at least not compare to what Wii and 360 did this gen.

My reason is simple and I'll give you an example, 360s is just out with build in wi-fi, bigger HDD, and it runs quieter than the last model. So people who wanted to upgrade their system or get a new system they'd definitely get the 360s(besides gamestop offer better trade in credit towards the new system purchase)

As for the Nentendo by the time their new system is out with HD graphics and whatever the features there might be, PS3 would be much cheaper than now with it's motion controller so people who owns Wii now could upgrade it or purchase PS3 for a very reasonable price.

Best example out there is the 3DTV, HDTV is much cheaper than it just came out, for about $350 we can get a decent 32" LCD HDTV and add another $200 or so you can get a 40-42" HDTV, so most of us are either already own one or just bought one, there really isn't a reason to buy a 3DTV now(although many of us would love to have one setting in their Man room or living room) But it just too expensive for now. Same goes for the systems, if it comes out by 2012-2013 the price range could be $300-600 most people already own 2 or 3 systems, I don't see the need to rush out and buy them day one.

Last but not least, the timeline between last gen and this gen were much wider so gamers were eagerly and dying to see the new system, this time is not exactly the same. All three systems were out few years back and I feel, there still so much more PS3 could offer, I just don't feel that Sony needs to rush their systemout before others, if they do, it could be the 360 back then with all kinds troubles.

[Droid Control]

ps1 - 1994
ps2 - 2000
ps3 - 2006

What does history (NOT SONY PR) tell us?
That although Sony SUPPORT their consoles for 10 years, it will not BE 10 years before the birth of the PS4.

People confuse the lifespan of the playstations with the actually time they exist before the next one comes out.

5-6 is STANDARD in the industry for a console tp last before it is replaced by superior hardware. And SOny have proven they are no different.

[Hallucinate]

maybe but this generation and onwards were prob ganna see a 8-10 year between releases

[muttonface]

Would you really believe Sony will bring out the PS4 next year? Even the year after that would be a ridiculous statement.

[cygnuszero]

I agree, but the truth is as far as gaming goes, thats a problem. Look at the PS2 last gen, it absolutely dominated the entire market.

Just 1 gen later, MS beats them by 1 year, and 4 years later they are still ahead of Sony. Quite a change of power in the industry. So if they just let MS beat them out of the gate again, that tells me that Sony doesnt stand a chance at getting back to the top of the mountain for 7-10 years.

[Bullseye]

Predicts, or states the obvious? Whichever you choose, it is likely the case.And I can't wait.

[Allowen]

Who really does not need to rush the next gen is Microsoft.

Because their current gen system preaty much have no exclusive game that really matches in graphics of 3rd party games such Assassin's Creed 2, CoDMW2 etc.

So when MS said a few months ago that they will stay with the Xbox360 for as long as the PS3 stays + onem ore day they were NOT LYING.

Why in hell Microsoft would launch an Xbox720 if they will depend on 3rd party games ?

These games will probably be a tinny better then the PS3's version that I am sure would have those games as well.

The time MS "build" some bad arse studios then gimme a call and I might belive that an Xbox720 is planned to be more powerfull then a PS4 !

What a JOKE .... MS is lost atm ... occasional games VS NIntendo and get owned OR play with hardcore games with last gen graphics VS PS3 uber exclusives ?

[rezzah]

Maybe by then theyll learn how to use the 100 gig bluray disc, imagin what they could do with those o.o

[rezzah]

Looks somone only wants to stick with DVDs, you know so they can use less memory that way the games on the pathetic system that uses it will fail as usual.

[N4g_null]

I didn't disagree but why use 100 gigs when you can use 2 terabytes.... with read speeds as fast as 300 mb a second instead of 10 mb a second on blu rays. That also most zero search time. Sdxc look it up it's coming to every thing!

On top of that dvds still have some set ups that actually beats the blu ray in read speeds. Not by much but it just shows how much the blu ray needs improvement not just more space.

Yet for movies it should be great. I mean there is a reason why most PC games don't even use it. Lots of PCs come with blu rays if not the burners hybrids

[BYE]

Games are mostly limited by budget nowadays, not by tech.

[Prcko]

who needs any of those consoles right now??
enjoy in this gen and stop moaning about future!

[SSKILLZ]

lol awesome . this is sony saying we are gonna be legit and watch the competition fail then we will go FTW.

[manman6]

The PS3 probably will out live the Xbox 720 and the Wii 2

[cygnuszero]

Dumbest post of the day ladies and gentlemen. The PS3 cant even figure out how to surpass the 2nd xbox, and this guy thinks it will somehow survive the NEXT one, which naturally will be far more powerful than the PS3.

[Spenok]

Just make it worth while Sony, and ill be more then happy.

[Knightofelemia]

I doubt anybody is that dumb to release a new console yet. Microsoft wasted money on Kinnect to extend the 360 another 5 yrs. The PS3 is not even fully tapped graphics wise and with Move coming out I doubt the PS4 will arrive anytime soon. As for Nintendo who know a HD console would be great with better online but it appeals to a differant market when compared to PS3 and the 360. And I doubt that type of consumer is interested in the Wii 2 yet.

[DEIx15x8]

I think we're going to see some changes in the way these consoles lineup there launches. From the start I would like to point out that I am an Xbox fan even though I think a lot of what I have written below may actually be more PS slanted.

Last Gen:
Sony: Playstation2 - 10/00 (US)
Microsoft: Xbox - 11/01
Nintendo: Gamecube - 11/01

Current Gen:
Microsoft: Xbox 360 - 11/05 (4 years)
Nintendo: Wii - 11/06 (5 years)
Sony: Playstation3 - 11/06 (6 years) (7 woldwide)

I think next generation we are going to see the Wii catchup to the current generation capabilities allowing them to enter at a normal price of $299 while earning a profit from day 1. The Xbox on the other hand will see major upgrades allowing it to compete with the PS3's capabilities and gain an advantage over her in graphics and power. The PS3 IMO is already trying to compete for next generation by applying the next gen features (3D, 1080P, Blu-Ray, etc.) now. As a result she will wait longer for an upgrade allowing her to benefit from having near identical features at a much lower price. Being off year though the PS4 will have a hard time and as a result will be a PS3.5 allowing her to enter at a competitive price while supporting the now hotly selling PS3 through full compatibility allowing both to continue to sell.

Next Gen: (The catch up generation)
Microsoft: Xbox3 - 11/12 (7 years)
-CPU: quad core, 8 thread, Intel CPU
-GPU: Dual core graphics card
-Internet: Gigabit ethernet & Wireless N built in
-Drive: HD-DVD/Blu-Ray hybrid drive (Full blu-ray movie support plus proprietary HD-DVD for games to avoid royalty fees and provide copy protection)
-Controllers: Full compatibility with 360 controllers & Kinect
-No backward compatibility with 360 games
-Ports:
--Proprietary Video out (component/composite)
--HDMI
--Toslink
--Kinect
--USB
-Requirements
--All games with 1080P graphics
--All games support Live
--All games support 2D with 3D optional
--All games support classic controllers
--All games support optional Kinect (through extra feature (head tracking) or full control)
-Prices:
--Main - $399
---Console
---Controller
---HDMI & Video out cables
---Headset
--Kinect - $499
---Console
---Controller
---Kinect
---HDMI & Video out cables
---Headset

Nintendo: Wii2 - 11/12 (6 years)
-Similar specs to current 360 model
-standard dvd drive with movie support
-Advanced Move like Wii control system
-All games require 720P with 1080P optional
-Online Wii play more widely integrated
-Price: $299

Sony: Playstation4 - 11/14 (8 years)
-Designed to keep the PS brand in the competition while the PS3 sales continue skyrocketing due to low price and similar features to current Xbox.
-Slight upgrade to the specs of the existing PS3 (allowing for a good profit/loss margin from day 1)
-Full backward compatibility with PS3 games and accessories
-Price: $249-299 (low price point to match other consoles who have already had price drops by this point)

[DEIx15x8]

The generation after that will see a reset as all consoles are now evenly matched in consumer domination by the end of the last generation (with Wii obviously behind in specs). The PS4 will have a shorter generation as she was built to extend the PS3's cycle while competing with he Wii2 and Xbox3. This will cause them all to be up for new consoles at the same time allowing a 3 way jump off the line. All new innovations/fads as the whole wii/motion/Kinect era is now forgotten.

2 Gens: (The reset generation)
Microsoft: Xbox4 - 11/19 - (7 years)
Nintendo: Revolution2 - 11/19 (7 years)
Sony: Playstation5 - 11/19 (5 years)

[JOHN_DOH]

here's a link, it's mentioned at the bottom.
I don't think it related to bulldozer though not sure
http://www.fudzilla.com/pro...

[cygnuszero]

Smart Sony. That means youll be sitting at the bottom of the pack next gen as well. Enjoy.

[tildeathtattoo]

Who cares

[IHateYouFanboys]

look, the reality is that the PS3 CANNOT compete with the next Xbox console. fact.

the PS couldnt compete with the Xbox, and the PS2 couldnt compete with the Xbox 360. its like saying 'my iphone 3G can compete with the iphone 4' - no, it cant. sure, it will still work and you can still play your iphone 3G games.....but its screen looks terrible compared to the iphone 4, the games arent as good or as flashy as the iphone 4, and its not 'new' like the iphone 4 and as such isnt sought after and desired.

so please, dont give me this rubbish about the PS3 being in any way near as powerful as what the next gen will be. even if the next xbox 'only' has a quad core 4ghz CPU, it will absolutely run circles around the PS3s Cell. even if it 'only' has 1gb of RAM (2gb is more likely though) it will absolutely destroy the PS3 in every possible performance area. then theres the very real possibility of DirectX 11 on the next xbox, and the GPU upgrade.....

the same applies for consoles. put the next xbox games on a tv next to the PS3s games and the PS3 graphics, however good they are now, will look terrible in comparison. the next console will be doing 1080p/30fps natively at LEAST, although theyll probably be pushing for 1080p/60fps in 2D and 3D. the 720p/30fps of the PS3, combined with the lower quality textures, lower polygon count, and lower on-screen amount of action will make it impossible for people to choose the PS3 over the xbox. technology people want the biggest and the best.

Sony NEED to release their next console within 6 months of the next xbox, or yet again they'll be playing catch up for 5+ years - and sonys playstation division just cant take that hit again. Microsoft no doubt know this, so they'll be trying to be 1 step ahead of sony yet again. sony cant let that happen, or they could be going the way of sega.

and the thing is we NEED sony in this console race, just as much as we need microsoft and nintendo. the more competition the better the end result for us.

[JOHN_DOH]

they wont have a 4ghz and they don't need too. they just need a good gpu and built in storage mandatory so we wont have games built around a dvd. Intel's extreme edition cpus don't even run at 4 gigz, yes you can oc it but you need a huge hsink/fan or wc and it would end up being expensive and big. (like a matx case or something)

[vsr]

What will be the physical medium for Xbox 720? can It do at least 720p? Will people buy that expensive nextgen hardware? I will succeed in very few countries.FACT

What will happen If PS4 with TWIN cell + 10GB ram + SSD + 3D + TRUE HD + BD? No need for traditional GPU brother.

[IHateYouFanboys]

the physical medium will be blu-ray or whatever replaces blu-ray.

itll be doing 1080p+. the 360 does 'at least 720p' just as well as the PS3 does, so quit that bull$hit.

i think the fact that there have been 75 million PS3 + 360 sales show that yes, people will buy expensive next gen hardware.

and it will succeed just like the 360 has. why are you thinking like this is the first time a console has released a successor? lol

the PS4 wont have twin Cell chips, 10gb of RAM, or SSD. a 200gb SSD drive is about $900 at the moment. SSD also provides very little actual performance advantages over normal HDDs. and consoles need GPUs, the PS4 will have one. and remember, IBM canned the Cell and from all reports it looks like Sony will be going back to the traditional CPU design for the PS3s successor.

[KratosGod3]

wii dosen't count my friends and 360 is old.

[dizzleK]

all i see is people wanting graphics graphics graphics from the next gen, how about we ask for lower priced games and variety? i don't give a rats ass how good the graphics are, if i'm doomed to a gen of $70+ shooter after shooter, i certainly won't be upgrading.

i want a sleek, streamlined and simplified console with a $300 launch price and $50 games. research has shown that most people don't even use all the media features and whatnot so cut them out. i want a game playing machine with maybe a good web browser and netflix streaming support, thats it. no more new format trojan horse bs, use blu-ray again, it'll be dirt cheap by then. focus ALL of your attention on games games games, not expensive motion control, 3D or other unnecessary peripherals.

[ATi_Elite]

Nintendo; will be forced to release a more competitive console now that everyone has some form of Wii mote. So a 3D Wii with more "Hardcore Gaming" power will come first. This is the last Christmas for the Wii. Nintendo will continue to dominate the hand held market.

Microsoft: is really on the fence about a Xbox 720 as Apple + Valve ramp up gaming on the Mac platform. With Windows 8 in development Microsoft can't afford to turn their attention again towards a console only to watch OS sales plummet "ONLY" if Apple seriously starts video gaming. This is a really crucial time for Microsoft as a $500 console/PC is worthless because a great PC in 3 years will be $400 and I see a Xbox 720 in two to three years.

The console/PC that Microsoft makes will have to be nothing short of a PC with a proprietary HDD. Gaming consoles are dead!! Thus instead of a console I see Microsoft just making a HDD to add on to the 300 million online gaming PCs already out there with pure Digital Distribution. This will intern provide software security, and more flexibility for developers to make higher quality PC and Xbox games but more importantly hold of Apple in the gaming arena if Apple heads that way. New Xbox720 in 3 years.

Sony: can do no wrong except release a PS4 above the $399 mark. The PS4 will have to be a PC/Vaio with a 4 core CpGPu or a more powerful Cell and a DX 11 gpu and 6 GB of shared system and video ram. A larger HDD, and Digital Distribution as the gaming companies put Game Stop out of business. I see Blu-ray on some models but the Holographic media will be too expensive or Sony will go through another 4 years of loosing money on every system sold.
New PS4 4 years.

The Mighty PC: as this console gen dies out the PC is once again left standing as the grand champ. My PC can already play Wii games and PS2 games all the way back. Any new console will be a PC as this gen of consoles are just lame proprietary PCs. The PC has so much power right now that developers are about 5 years behind the hardware as "EVERY game released on the PC should look better than Crysis but doesn't. But as this console gen has reached it's peak the power of the PC will be seen in games like Natural Selection 2 HL2 Ep 3 Counter Strike 2 Doom 4 Forged in chaos and others.

any new system can't come to the store lacking a web browser WiFi internet KB/M support HDD upgrade ability games at 1080p 60 fps and over $399 if so you might as well get a PC because 4 core Cpu's are $99 DX11 video cards are $99. So the console has finally advanced it's technology to the level of a PC but this also signals the end of the console next gen cause it doesn't make sense to loose money making consoles when everyone has a PC or Mac already that you can just add too.

[McLuvn]

Stop trying to sell me hardware when you don't have
enough interesting and diverse software to back it up.

[-MD-]

It's like they're going out of their way to stay in third place.

[JustTheFactsMr]

2nd place.

Being outsold every year by a console (that was twice the price for most of that time) means the 360 is in third place.

By your logic the Wii, 360 and PS3 COMBINED are in second place to the last gen PS2 that is still on the market. Doesn't matter it happened to launch first.

So SONY is destroying MS. Obliterating them in fact. 150 million + 36 = 186 million. 24+40 = 64 million.

Using your logic.

Wii has sold twice as many as the PS3 because it was half the price. Straightforward economics.

What's the 360's excuse?

[starchild]

Give me a break with your pathetic reasoning. The Wii, 360 and PS3 are all current generation consoles. The Wii has sold the most, the 360 has sold the next most, and the PS3 has sold the least. Those are the facts.

Nobody made excuses for the Xbox saying how it released almost a year and a half after the PS2. The sales are what they are.

Being first to market has always been a strategic move in any industry.
If you want to say the Xbox 360 has some unfair advantage because it launched first then I guess we can say the Playstation 3 had an unfair advantage because Playstation launched as a brand first and was well established in the market long before the Xbox came on the scene. It's just not fair. Wahhhh!

[ReBurn]

Xbox 720 and Wii 2? I don't know why, but when I see people use those as the names of the next consoles from Microsoft and Nintendo my skin just crawls. Where the heck does the 720 come from? 360 x 2? Why do people think that? That isn't how the name 360 was derived. For some reason it's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

I expect to see Microsoft and Nintendo release new hardware before Sony because they pretty much have to. But Sony won't be far behind. The 10 year lifecycle for PS3 will be just like the 10 year lifecycle for the PlayStation and the PS2. They might make it 7 years with PS3 before releasing something new, but I doubt much more that.

[Klutch]

Is it me or does this generation feel lackluster. Too much bitterness i guess. Im geting the impression that this generation was more about politics than about games.

[ECM0NEY]

Yeah Sony milk that console for as long as u can. lol

I wanted new consoles last year. Why does this gen feel so slow?

[atlys]

Don't get me wrong, the ps3 is an awesome piece of hardware, but it was outdated the day it was released as was the 360. Tech evolves at an incredible rate. There are pc gaming rigs out there today that make consoles look down right silly, so to say that current hardware like the ps3 will be on par visually with the next gen is ridiculously ignorant. Sure Microsoft and Nintendo might be the first to release next gen consoles ahead of sony next round, but I'm not really sure how much that's gonna matter cause i believe next gen consoles will be designed with ram and graphics card upgradeability in mind to extend the lifecycle of the hardware.

[ChronoJoe]

You're mad. Seriously.

Upgradable consoles? Why not buy a PC.

[jneul]

It's not like I can afford a new console any time soon anyway, so when you are ready Sony release it, normally I jump on the next gen bandwagon, but I think I may be to broke to be an early adopter next time around.
Finally with all the great games coming out for ps3 and the continued improvements being made on games, I really don't even desire for a new console.

[Genki]

Although I bought my PS3 within the first 6 months at that outrageous price point...I still affirm that Sony released the console way too early, all because of Microsoft, no doubt. I can't say Microsoft is to blame however, but Sony buckled under the pressure. If what we're hearing here is true, then they've learned their lesson.

Features that we've only recently gotten, or shortly on the horizon, are all things that the PS3 should have launched with. The slowness of the games and engine technology getting up to speed is to be expected, but the features we've seen in firmware updates for the past three years needed to come standard.

Great console, and it does seem to have staying power, but for the next go-around, Sony needs to take their time and sort out their gameplan fully. The best part about the PS3 launch is that there wasn't a myriad of consoles dying left and right. Otherwise, there was much to be desired.

I'm looking forward to the next console having at least 4-8GB RAM, some type of evolution of the CELL BE, support for more than 7 bluetooth devices, USB 3.0 standard, and of course, 1080p 60fps should be locked for all games. I think the latter will be the biggest hurdle, but if the next generation doesn't start until 2014 or 2015 like I'm thinking, then I can't imagine that will be too big of a problem. Then we will REALLY see a next gen Killzone that surpasses that notorious E3 trailer by a mile.

[DaBadGuy]

I'm hoping by the PS5 I can just plug a chip in the top of my spine and the base of my skull that will have support for up to 10 bluetooth devices and play the game through micro-LCD screens implanted under my eyelids that open upon activation and close upon deactivation, rolling back into my orbital bones. Dualshock 5 is a part of the chip in my spine, and everytime rumble is activated, it sends a signal to my spine to give the sensation of rumble throughout my body, so I would really feel the explosions. I would choose to use a PS3 controller to play the games, although a holographic controller is available. Sensors in the hologram will activate the chip to give me the sensation in my fingers of hitting the buttons, so I know I'm hitting them of course. That all would be bastard awesome, yet expensive and invasive.

[Condemnedman]

Seriously what is it with Sony fanboys that they need to go on the defensive all the time ?
Really who gives a F@ck?

[00000000000000000001]

I got tired waiting for the PS3 and purchased a 360, sure glad I did would have been a big mistake.

[asgharagha]

i know its weird but i wish they produce some external ram for ps3 then we could expect much better games

[ChronoJoe]

Optional external ram to run full XMB rather than in-game cut down XMB. Would be nice. So features like in-game music, and cross game voice chat. Could be implemented universally, to people who wanted to purchase the external ram.

[mcstorm]

What Sony and Nintendo need to look out for is the 3rd time round game M$ play and they are also in a starting block to bring all the M$ devices together.
Sony and Nintendo need to look at the other things M$ is bring out for a few examples Windows pone 7 a new Home server and they all connect to each other by media or xbox live. The have also started to talk about kinect technology working on pc's and TV as well as 3D tv with out stupid glasses so M$ are looking at the future just like Sony are but M$ pockets are deeper than sony's plus I think M$ has also lost the credit with Vista as well as Windows mobile over the years but there has been a big shack up at M$ and they are looking at the Next 10 years not just for Xbox but as a company.

I still think the Xbox has another 4 to 5 yeas left in it with the software they keep adding to the xbox but I also think the Xbox is built around Xbox live where the ps3 is not built around its online service.

I really do not think the next gen will be much different to what we are seeing happening today the one thing we all know is the Games machine is now dead and it is now a multi media device and what ever happens next gen I think all 3 company will bring out good devices and games for each platform and it is the customers that win.

[ChronoJoe]

Wii isn't a multimedia device, and it's far from dead.

[StitchJones]

Wii needs a console that can output with 720p/1080p. The Xbox needs a console with more horsepower and the ability to truly display 1080p output. Sony on the other hand needs to stick it out a bit more and just keep doing what they are doing. They have a good groove now.

[Allowen]

The next gen can start at any time for Nintendo since their next console will probably not be stronger then a PS3.

Nintendo's console for here on will probably be more focused on ocasional players and ppl that don't want to invest more then 300 dolars in a video game.

Because of that the new Wii HD will not require to be that uber in terms of hardware.
It is all about games for good games and different gameplays for Nintendo : )

On the other hand Microsoft got to get a hardcore console next gen bc with ocasional console they will get owned by Nintendo since MS has preaty much no exclusive game 1/100th as carismatic as Mario, Zelda or Metroid franshises.

Also MS will depend even more on 3rd party then on this gen because the high cost of production that should be even more expensive then this gen.

Third party devs will probably make multiplat games bettewn PS3/ Xbox720 and just a tinny few will be ëxclusive" 720 games.
What happened on this gen where dvd9 of the Xbox720 hold on the quick progress of the PS3 a similar thing should happen with MS next gen if they launch a console too quickly and without many exclusive games .

My conclusion is that Nintendo and Sony fights in different levels while MS seems to fight against then both to get a share of the same market.
But without exclusive games real carismatic or uber in graphics it will be a hard Battle for MS to win this time .

[Belasco]

Are you guys truly serious that if MS or Nintendo developed a new console, with todays hardware, that it would only be "on par" with the Ps3? Why are all of you so ignorant? An average PC today is a generational leap above the Ps3, or the 360. Stop spewing rhetoric and think before you type.