Lair Gets 3.75/5 (A) from Gamepro Magazine

The latest review from another gaming website, Gamepro gives Lair 3.75/5 (A).In a blog post by the one of the developers yesterday, he urges gamers to give the controls of Lair a chance. The reviews about Lair has been creating quiet a buzz recently in the gaming community ; hopefully, this new review will nullify some of the negativity surrounding this game.

Pros: Gorgeous graphics, amazing orchestral soundtrack, dragon based action is fun.

Cons: The decision to use a SixAxis only control scheme hurts more than it helps.

Some random quotes from the review after jump

[Zhuk]

75% is better but still disappointing for what was suppose to be a killer app

[HowarthsNJ]

These guys are just not good at using the motion control.

It's just another skill gamers will have to learn. Tilt boards will be available for all consoles soon.

http://www.computerandvideo...

[boodybandit]

Where was it ever written that this was going to be a killer app? There are a couple games coming out this year for the PS3 that have a chance of being rated at the 90 percentile. The the score I judge AAA but I still wouldn't come out and call it a Killer App.

IMO a killer app is a game that moves consoles. Lair was never even on most peeps radar, that I know of, that was calling Lair a killer app. Personally These types of games just don't appeal to me (Panzer Dragoon type). Now if Warhawk (this is the only flying game I am interested in), Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank get low scores I'll be be disappointed.

[Zhuk]

well it was on nearly every knowledgeable PS3 owners to buy list (myself included, but its looking disappointing right now, it wont reach the heights of the Panzer Dragoon series) I know plus there was considerable hype from the Sony camp on N4G if you peruse through some comments, but i'll dig up an article that says killer app so your happy :)

http://arstechnica.com/jour...

[Hell-Reaver]

Everyone wants next gen gaming, well tilt motion is next gen, thats why they made the dragon only controllable by the sixaxis. Yes it's going to be differnt from the regular ways of control. But the game designers wanted to give us ps3 owners a new and differnt experience.

I think the bad reviews are based on people's decisions that they dont like change.

I'm open minded about the game, the visuals look great, and really i'm the only one i care about when it comes to liking the game or not. I'm certainly not going to cancel my pre-order because some people review it badly.

I'm still looking forward to this stellar title, and can't wait to get my hands on it!

[TheSadTruth]

It's not that they don't like change.. it's just that it was horribly designed. Two different things.

[nasim]

from some other gaming mags/websites.

GAMNEPRO has also given it an A.

GAMEPRO further said that they reviewed an OLD BUILD.

some cites like CVG really liked the controls. Some didnt .

NOTE:_ GAMEPRO reviewed an "OLD BUILD".

GRAPHICALLY LAIR trashes even GEARS/any other game till date

wait for more reviews

[DiLeCtioN]

A true fanboy at work

[hazeblaze]

They stated that the sixaxis controls were accurate... just tiring to use. So I think it's more a case of them not being use to sixaxis use.

For those of us that took part in Warhawk... there were some that didn't like the sixaxis (and had the choice to use analogs instead). But personally, I just practiced and became a pro at it. All it takes is getting used to it! If Warhawk is an example, it's definitely funner to play using motion controls (in the air anyway... motion controls on the ground sucked in Warhawk too).

[Omegasyde]

Seriously, playing with the 6 axis takes skill. Unfortunately not alot of people have the patience to "learn". They don't have the "testicular fortitude" to grab the bull by the horns and stay with it.

Incognito was smart enough to make it optional and reward the players with more movement and precise aiming for those who game it a chance.

Motorstorm was more enjoyable, but since you crash constantly anyways..peoples patiences can only last so long.

This game seems like it was the right catalyst in which would make the 6axis more appreciated. 6axis isn't halfbad just the learning curve is great. Not only that designers are inputting 6 axis controls on the stupidiest little "gimicks"(rainboy 6 snake cam?) as if Sony made it standard for every publisher to have at least 1 thing controlled by 6axis...

[Chava]

i said this would end up dissapointing from day one.

[MaximusPrime]

Im not interested in what the critics say.

Im interested in the game itself. (btw - i've played the demo and it was fantastic.)

[Figboy]

damn i love that Prairie Dog.

cracks me up every time.

*edit: oh yeah, and on topic, i'll just wait until i can judge the game for myself.

take for example, the game Second Sight, from Codemasters.

it got pretty mediocre reviews (though an average score of 75 from Metacritic, which isn't too shabby), and the majority of the complaints were that the controls weren't quite hot, and not as smooth as Psi-Ops, which had a similar Psionic power play style.

but i absolutely *LOVED Second Sight, and own it. the story in that game is amazing, and the powers are pretty cool, if with sometimes dodgy controls.

Indigo Prophecy is the same way. some of my friends don't get why me and others love it, but we do.

Lair seems like it's going to be a love/hate game.

some folks will dig it. other's won't.

but i'll hold off until i can feel it in my hands myself.

i had no interest in Warhawk one iota once it went online only, until i got in the Beta and gave it a try. now it's a day one purchase.

Please, everyone, judge something by your own standards and tastes, not anyone elses.

[Danielson]

Were did you get a hold of the demo, and was it any good!

[rogimusprime]

at comic con. It was there the whole time and I had to wait quite a while to get my hands on it. Heavenly sword was there as well and looked great too, but didn't get a chance to play it. If you want to talk about mediocrity, you should have seen the crap M$ had on display.

[the_round_peg]

It's better to look at the overall consensus of many reviews. If 2 reviews say it's average, but all other 98 reviews gives it 90% and over, then it's still a killer app.

So. Wait.

[FirstknighT]

Yeah this game had alot of hype and looks to be just a good/average game. Definitely not a AAA title like most sonyboys boasted about.

But we'll see what gamerankings gives it in about a month when it gets more reviews. The overall average is what counts.

But it is definitely starting to show that the 6-axis was a mistake for Sony.

[Shadow Flare]

The sixaxis controller gives the option to use either normal controls OR motion sensing. The mistake was this game not giving the option to use the two. No mistake with the controller itself. I personally think flying with the sixaxis is frickin brilliant and really refreshing

[gEnKiE]

the developers couldnt just make to use the motion sensing as a option to the player..... ohh well

[GameClearer]

personally i hate the motion controls

[fanboy]

Strange that they review an old build.
What Ive heard, they have tweaked the controlls to the gold build.

[Shadow Flare]

sole use of sixaxis controls

Well what if unlike this reviewer you love using the sixaxis controls? Then this game will rock your world because there seems to be alot of great pros about the game

This game should never get such low scores just because of 'sole use of sixaxis controls' because everything else is great and some people may love the sixaxis. And btw, the sixaxis works very well because i've used it on lair. It's great

[sonarus]

well i like many others pretty much knew what to expect with the six axis controls they take a while to get used to. I am buying this game solely for the purpose of six axis i have to have 1 game that fully utilizes this feature.

[xhi4]

I mean the world has been playing games using their thumbs, with the next evolution being motion control (PS3, Wii) i dont think critics are giving it a chance, i think they are still being biased as their years and years of analog use has made them, including me a bit weirded out by the new controls. But just like MGS3 where the controls took around haha 5 hours to get used to, once you do, your better for it. But these people only have a few hours to quickly play through the game and give a review before the deadline, and I can understand why they may be turned off by the Six-Axis controls. I don't really think much of these reviews, I think i'll wait for the demo to be released or Gamspot, IGN's reviews to come out.

[plexdk]

it really depends on how its used.

ive heard several saying that the sixaxis is cool enough in warhawk... And im sure mgs4, burnout etc, are going to use it well.

besides, tried fl0w for example? It feels so natural with the sixaxis

[Nodoze]

Why on gods green earth did Factor 5 think that not giving the player an option to use motion conrols was a good idea. Now they are witnessing the fruits of their labor as it gets devoured by the press simply because they did not offer the gamer a choice.

Factor 5, release a patch. Implement an analogue stick control and this game WILL sell. As it stands you have cut your own proverbial throat by forcing players to use a 'gimmick' to control your 'beautiful' game.

Damn shame really.

[Omega Kaze]

I mean personally I wasn't that big on this game and I really didn't care about it. But it did have a cool concept and I would still like to play it. But when developers spend all that money and time making this fantastic looking game to have it all go to waste because you didn't give the option to not have motion controls seems like such a shame to me. I haven't played it mind you but its still a shame that the reviews will be lowered for one silly reason.

[xmod]

It won't make a difference, the PR damage to Lair is done. The reviews (good and bad) are out. A patch isn't going to change that.

BTW, the EGM staff (the 3 reviewers who reviewed Lair) are a bunch of cry baby p*ssies. I have a feeling they rated the game low b/c they didn't have the patience to get used to the controls.

[vaughner81]

Basically, your saying that because you can't fly with the stick the game is gonna suck... Have you ever thought that maybe there are not enough open controls to fly with the stick... that's like saying "Nintendo, your idiots for making games that you "HAVE" to play with the wiimote... screw you i'm not playing!" hahahaha, Lair is gonna take the gaming world by storm, you just wait and see!!

[Farfromreality413]

I disagree that anyone should be put down for impatience. It may be a sign of a lesser mind but to call someone out about intestinal fortitude, only makes the name slinger just as bad.

I agree that may not be giving it a chance because they don't like the Six-Axis or motion controls in general. I don't own a PS3 but I do own an X360 and having played the PS3, fl0w, and other games that require it, I think it's inventive. Change is not always bad and sometimes, when given it's due process, it's good.

In summation, don't fight with idiots, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. -Someone I can't remember

[Snake_Doctor]

So...- Sixaxis; Great for game control or Best control for games ever? /colbert

[TheExecutive]

"To be fair, the motion sensing is pretty accurate but requiring you to constantly move your hands around while fiddling with buttons over the course of a fairly long game is asking too much. It’s unfortunate that the game relies so heavily on a gimmicky feature that no one has been able to get a true grasp of (pun intended).”

Ok... "but requiring you to constantly move your hands around while fiddling with buttons over the course of a fairly long game is asking too much."

Well, unlike these reviewers I dont play the entire game in one sitting... an hr here and an hr there.

They say the controls are accurate, why cant they get a grasp of it? Is it possibly because they are so used to the analog sticks that they are resistant to change? YES. They are basically giving it a lower score because its different.

As for me... I am more than open to using motion controls in a flying game. I am more than open to be refreshed by something 'different'.

A more open minded critic would give this a 9 or higher for sure.

[Sevir04]

it seems to me that they seriously contradicted them selves there and if they can be so contradictive to them self then seriously. do we need to get dissapointed about someone who cant even see that they them self are confused with them self and are seriously stubborn to something foriegn and new.

i'm reminded of MGS3 with it's very steep learning curve, but that got critaclly accliamed, and then of course there's Amored Core 4 who's learning curve was way way way wierd and steep, but once you cleared it and spent time practicing you'll get better.

Warhawk was the same way. in all honesty i went into the least busiest games that was over run by my team and just used that time to practice my flying by Motion control and to tell you the truth that's the only way i fly in warhawk. and for that reason i know that i'll enjoy Lair. it's a game with huge depth and huge and deep gameplay mechanics. and whats even more i played the first build of the game when it was at TGS06 last year with all the glitches and hicups and i liked it to say the least. it wasn't anywhere near as polished as now and i'm certain that those hicthes are fixed. the game is confirmed to be running at a steady 30fps. thats good. and cant wait to play the final build. i dont need a demo.

if all of you are gonna wait on a review from people who blatantly contradict themself and purposely gave a game low reviews on that then i'll just do what i've always done. review the game my self. i dont need people to review anything because in a review like thios even though it's good and passable clearly shows that they weren't really educated when writing this review i mean look at this

"To be fair, the motion sensing is pretty accurate..."

"Cons: The decision to use a SixAxis only control scheme hurts more than it helps"

lol!!! contadiction at it's best, whats worst is Self contradicting! The game has a practice tutorials, i wonder if they did that at all. but rather they just jumped right into the game and tried to learn on thir own.?

do yourself a favor people and be smart. test the demo for yourself on PSN. i'm sure they'll give you the tortials in there. all demo's do and then rent it if you wanna see if it's for you if you need more convincing but. i'll tell you this Learning something New aint a bad thing. expand your horizons and open your self to new posibilties. it's the same reason Why no one will ever use the game pad to play Zelda for the Wii. the Motion controls even though they seem a bit gimmicky were rather on spot.

when you play lair come with the expectation that you'll have to learn.

[Amplifier]

You just hit the nail right on the head of this critic!

He's complaining because he wanted to use analog but couldn't and didn't like that he was forced to use the Sixaxis.

Well tough, if the controls are fine then why rate it bad, he just didn't like it, that's what we like to call a "BIAS" review.

He didn't say there were glitches or clunky control scheme but that he didn't like having to use the motion control, which is nonsense because nothing is broken or rushed.

Amp

[Huddymonster]

my excact sentiments. my psn name is huddymonster add me so we can laugh together when this game comes out and everyone is like why is egm and gamepro sharing a brain.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Isnt the game online only? If thats the case then they better no charge full whack.

Perhaps its best to wait for other reviews as well and if they reviewed the old build then thats just plain stupid.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Damn thanks for pointing out I got the 2 confused!!!

Lair was one game I really wanted to get, emmm I will wait for some more reviews based on the final game to see whether its worth getting.

[xg-ei8ht]

If any of you have read the or seen the devs interviews with the game, they stated on early builds of the game, that they were indeed using the analogue controls for flight, but after a short while it became apparent that controlling the dragon through the air,battles etc, it wasn't the best way to do it, thats why they took it out.

The steering when the dragon is on the ground is a different matter. The analogue stick rules.

My take on things.

I have a dual analogue stick from ps2, and use this with my pc through a hookup.

I've tried using the controller with battlefield 2, for the planes,heli's etc. But it doesn't work properly, something just does not feel right. But when using them to steer jeeps,tanks,apc's its sweet.

Same as when i've used the controller to play platform games, such as TombRaider, and racing games, the dual analogues are sweet.

I think they made the right decision.

I'd say exactly what the devs said. Give the Controls a Chance.

[Says you]

Considering some bias OXM they probably concentrated on the graphics and gave it a highscore instead of the play oh sure its gritty and dark so is Resident Evil but what does BioShock have to offer besides gritty since games have been like this before like Half Life 2 Parasite Eve.

[RadientFlux]

What does Bioshock have to do with Lair?

[SimmoUK]

GAMEZONE --9.0

EDGE ---9.0

This has been posted at Neogaf these 2 will be out in the next day...

Still waiting on scans to make an official topic...

That's a really good score from EDGE there a well known publication, and don't shoot the messenger these are scores that have been revealed at neogaf...

[timmyp53]

i think i read that in the ps3forums... ill submit that if its true... the reviews are pretty mixed.. im gonna go check it out

[RadientFlux]

75% is not a bad score. Just means that Lair is going to have a group of people that love the game and a group of people that are really going to hate it.

Personally I am going to rent it and give it a try. Honesty I will probably hate it since I wasn't a fan of Rogue Squadron series.

[the greatest]

they must have bill gates and peter moore reviewing this game

[SuperSaiyan4]

Ok so when is this game coming out? Actually where are all the PS3 games??? I want Lair, Heavenly Sword basically exclusive games since I have a 360 as well.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

im trying it for myself.

[Rama26285]

I also find it a bit strange that a single negative thing can merit a low score. If the only reason for this game getting a low score is the six-axis, then why doesn't all Wii games get a low score??

[Wile]

These Lair rating threads are filling up fast. I think is has to do with rabid fanboys waving it everyone's faces for the last year or so. Although it might back fire on them if this game ends up being good. Here's a concept. Wait until the game comes out and then decide whether or not to talk smack for or against it. That goes for all games (Halo 3, Heavenly Sword, Mass Effect, and Killzone. Just for example)

[Bathyj]

I think its sad game critics are always crying for something new or different and when they get a grade A quality piece of entertainment like this they cant be bothered spending half an hour to get used to the controls.

Still worried? Read this.
http://au.ps3.ign.com/objec...

And I think it would have been a mistake to include analouge controls because people would have tried the game and switched to the sticks in 5 minutes and then missed out on the immersive experience Factor 5 has provided. Having no choice will make you learn the controls. The game is BUILT around the sixaxis, who wants to use the sticks when motion works so well in this case? Let go of what you think you know and try something new.

[Snake_Doctor]

find. Bubbles for that

[RBlaze]

I'll admit, i like innovation. But if i dont like it from the off, odds are its gonna get to me if i have to learn it.

Besides to that, the game has picked up a solid 75% in its second review, and thats pretty sturdy. The reviews might get better or not, but is what they think really gonna affect your feeling on the game when you play it?

[Bathyj]

Hell no. I dont give a rats arse what reviewers think. I cant wait to put back on the reins of my Dragon. I just hope their closed minds dont have to much affect on the success of the game, but I'm not really worried. I'm confident once the game is out, gamers word of mouth will carry more weight than jaded reviewers opinions.

[Mungo Jerry]

I would like to here some comments about the story of the game. Have not heard it being mentioned in any of the two reviews. Hope it is good. As for the control they should have made it, so that you can select which you want to control.

[CourtesyFlush]

I may be in the minority, but Lair was actually one of the first games I saw that inspired me to buy a ps3. I say "inspired" because the game not only looked gorgeous—even in early builds—but seemed to offer an immersive new kind of experience in a world well worth exploring.

I am admittedly a graphics whore who is attracted by bright shiny objects, but there was something about Lair's subject and story that captured my imagination. And I'm hopeful the SIXAXIS will enhance the momentary substitution of normal reality for the virtual one of tugging the reins of a dragon.

I don't fault a reviewer for a lower score based on their personal hang-ups with a control scheme... Control is an important factor and they are entitled to their opinion. But that is why it's best to take an aggregate of reviews from many sources, not just one. And, of course, remembering that the ONLY opinion that counts when it comes to your enjoyment of a game is your own.

That said, I agree with many that the decision by Factor 5 to not include the option to defeat the motion-sensing controls was a bad one from a sales standpoint as it will no doubt keep many away... But not me.

Is it August 14th yet?

[Genki]

If this site had "sigs" for this comment system, this quote would be mine. Wholeheartedly agreed. Too many individuals tout reviews as if they were ammunition, and then there are those who are governed by those reviews...pity, you miss out on things that you may have liked otherwise.

I don't care what anyone says, I loved Transformers and Fantastic Four RotSS this year, and all I heard was horrible things about both movies from critics, and even many co-workers.

Keep an open mind ladies and gentlemen...keep an open-mind. Bubble for you.

[akaFullMetal]

i think once you get use to the controls it will be sweet, i mean alot of people from xplay and when e3 were boasting about lair, especially Adam Sesslar

[xaphanze]

so it was just the six axis who dropped it to this score?

[Bordel_1900]

It's very easy.

Are you willing to learn how to use the SIXAXIS motion controls?

If no, go play something else.

If yes I believe you're inn for the ride of your life.

LAIR looks amazing, I would buy it even if it was to just fly around and look at those awsome amazing graphics.

[Genki]

It seems the trend is a love it or hate it theme with the motion controls...which doesn't sound too unfamiliar to the MOUSE & KB vs ANALOG STICKS war that goes on between console and PC purists, for FPS games anyway.

It all makes sense now, to me anyway. In every preview I've read, the theme was alluded to somewhat, but was usually an afterthought, as most people wrote it off as either comfortable or fixable by release. In any case, all previews I read were positive about the game in every other aspect, whether they be graphics, enemies, effects, sound, freedom, you name it, Lair does it well.

In this light, it MAY be safe to say that the make or break factor for our enjoyment will lie with the motion controls. I know I was frustrated as HELL the first time I booted up Warhawk...but with a bit of tweaking and practice, I couldn't stay out of the air(unless I was killed...)! I expect a similar experience with Lair, but who knows.

I suppose I'll compare folks like me to the M/KB crowd that likes this style of play, and those who don't with the STICKS group...so I think I'll enjoy this game, and anyone else that enjoyed the Warhawk beta for that matter...which believe me, is a very high percentage of those who took part in it. Hell, I might pick that one up too.

Well anyway...I'm back to eating my curry ladies and gents...just my 2 cents.

[Huddymonster]

The controls were accurate but you could not hanlde over it over a long span of time? LOL

SO let me get this right. The controls were great but you could not deal using them over the whole game? Thus the game gets a bad score?

Once again we have a semi-retarded critic who thinks the whole game is awesome but either they wont take the time to learn the controls because they would rather have an atari joytstick or they play the game with day long sessions because they have nothing better to do. I know the people on this website have jobs, schools,lives, and are married with kids. So when I use these accurate controls for a 2-3 hour session then go hang out with my friend or go to work and do it again its going to be amazing.

It shows you that you cannot always rely on a critic's review because they live a different lifestyle and someone who actually gives good reviews would take into account the vast majority of people who would take this game in short sessions.

If the worst thing we can hear about this game is that it sucks to use the accurate controls for a long period of time then this is def A MUST BUY!!!!

[TheExecutive]

yeah i agree 100%. I said the same stuff in my post. The guy reviewing this was annoyed with the change from sticks to motion. He said the controls were accurate. He just played it for 12 hrs and got a little tired of moving his arms around.

That is understandable. But to give the game a lower score because he cant put down the controller like the rest of us is retarded.

[Funky Town_TX]

are like the most important part of the game. After that you are just watching a movie.

[Huddymonster]

Funky Town would you please learn how to read, it would make posting a lot easier. Me and executive know the controls are the most important part of the game and we think and the critic agrees the controls are accurate and great. He is just complaining about playing it for a long period of time. SO next time read so we dont have to correct you every other minute

[Funky Town_TX]

When the reviews are great for PS3 games then you guys care. When they are low you don't care. WTF, have an opinion. I remember when game pro game 360 games high rating you guys said gamepro was no good. You guys all had Lair on your list for the longest now it does not matter. I don't care what system you love or hate just be real about it. I for one read reviews for what they say not just the scores. If this game is not GOTY worthy then it is not. I'm sure the next game will be on your GOTY list soon. First is was motorstorm, then VF5, then Lair, and next it will be Heavenly Sword. These are good games just don't let reviewers tell you what you want.

[TheExecutive]

I agree completely. I dont think ANYONE thought this was going to be a GOTY contender by any means. I still think it will be a good game, no matter what critics say.

However, I do think that critiquing a critique is ok. If someone has an opinion thats ok, but when it is meant to influence opinions of a game (which it does, thats what a review is for) certain aspects should be considered. Like, "how will playing this differ between me and the normal gamer?" "What is the learning curve for an actual gamer?"

In order for it to be a viable review certain objective criteria must be met. Its sad that too often it isnt even thought of. Thats why a detailed analysis is so important for a review. By reading a review, instead of just numbers, readers can read for themselves whether or not a reviewer is a reliable one.

Reviews are meant to tell the reader what to expect in a game they havent played yet. When a reviewer injects too much personal opinion, or fails to take the reader into account (as this guy did) it makes it no more than an opinion piece, and I could give a rats a$$ about some guys opinion.

[Huddymonster]

Hit it right on the head while funky town missed and hit himself in the head because he is dumb. I mean funky town I like how you make these assumptions about what we are saying. No one said it was going to be game of the year all we said is if the controls are good then the controls are good not bad because you played it for 12 hours and your biceps hurt because the critic has never played a sport in their entire life.

[Funky Town_TX]

36.2 - WELL put executive
Hit it right on the head while funky town missed and hit himself in the head because he is dumb. I mean funky town I like how you make these assumptions about what we are saying. No one said it was going to be game of the year all we said is if the controls are good then the controls are good not bad because you played it for 12 hours and your biceps hurt because the critic has never played a sport in their entire life.

I did not mention your name at all. Others have went on and on about this game being a killer app. I have been hearing about 1080p and how huge the levels are. If the controls got him tired then it's his review. All reviews are from that person perspective. Don't get pissed if someone does not like a game that you do. Also, not all gamers are super athletes.

[ElementX]

I'm probably going to check this game out regardless. I also expect Heavenly Sword to score in the upper 70s.

[FlamingAxe]

It doesnt say anything on the website. did they get if from the magazine i havnt gotten mine yet but maybe they just got theirs earlier?

[aiphanes]

It will get at least a 9.5...

[ElementX]

7.5-8.5 tops.

[TheMART]

Surely no killer app. Hhhmmm SOny fans, one of your list of a few... again....

While Bioshock just got two ratings of 9.5 and 10 out of 10, the latest version on the 360 first PC. I guess the 360 has a killer app and system seller yet again. Where do the PS3 ones stay?

[felidae]

Well. Lair also got 9 outta 10s

[tk]

Since the beginning of this generation some "reviews" showed extreme bias. If it is for the PS3 strange reasons are found to bash a game and give skewed results. For quite some time now I am ignoring the "scores" by some "reviewers". This game looks great, according to many plays great, huge environment. Regardless of the BS some magazines / journos spew, I will this one for sure.

[Goshyujin_Sama]

Haha Fanboys like TheMart make me lol, always trolling in PS3 forums, ready to pounce on any news that seem remotely bad for anything Sony, well when you do that you will run into ppl who resent trolls, and I for you do, and now ur about to get owned. First of all dont make me lol with the whole Bioshock comparison. They are 2 different types of games and should never be compared, second of all lets step back and take a look at all the so called killer apps on 360 and you tell me just how many of them are First Person Shooters? Darn near all of them! And To be honest im sure BioShock is gonna be a great game, But it aint going to sale to many systems because Its also on a little thing called a PC! Haha FPS will always run better on PC and I will get bioshock and it will run as smooth as ever on my PC, prolly much better than it ever could on a 360 haha. And thats another thing, almost all the AAA 360 titles I own, on my PC, so big freakin whoop, the 360 is basically a wack PC that charges monthly for live, haha. Now lets look at PS3, a true console, and I say true because it actually has games that cannot be played on any other format or consol or PC for that matter. And Lair is just and example of a ture consol game that you can only play if you own a PS3. And dont talk about moving console’s with AAA games, because when games like Lair, HS, MGS4, WHite Night, Little Big PLanet, Monster Hunter 3,eye of the beholder, Ratchet and Clank, and Folktale drop Sony will own all other systems like no other. Not to mention upcoming exclusive MMORPG's from NCSOFT and the next Big Rockstar game, wow 360 trolls like you are in for a world of hurt when all that drops as you will be super duper pimp slapped across the face like Rick James did to Charlie Murphy! Haha and I will be right here, posting I told you so, and rofl'in all day. Just look at how all the dvs. and industry moguls are embracing Blue-ray over HD-DVD, Blockbuster, Target to name a few, wow, 360 trolls ur days are numbered, while I admit that 360 is a cool system, in reality its nothing more than an over glorified PC with less features that breaks down so much that a 3 year warranty must be included to cover Microsoft’s arse from getting sued so much that even they would feel a hole burning in their pocket. Bottom line is Lair will be an entertaining game made for Sony, and for Sony owners, if you dont like it, STFU and go play another Halo clone with a few new tricks, hahaha. TheMart, you can now consider yourself owned!!! HAHAH

[toughNAME]

your this scared NOW?
jesus..you'll be shtting youself when september 25th rolls around

[nasim]

Firstly, most reviewers have reviewed an OLD BUILD

Most reviewers are praising both the GRAPHICS and GAMEPLAY.

some reviewers are prasing just the GRAPHICS and not the gameplay.

LAIR has got 9.0 from many gaming websites starting with PLAY UK ,GAMEZONE etc.

LAIR experience is completely UNIQUE.

The GAMEPLAY issues were fixed in the RECENT BUILD completed on JULY 25th.

wait for more reviews

[nasim]

the gameplay is super boring....plus unlike major FPS you have atmost 2/3 enemies per screen.

By the time they come to you ..you are almost asleep.

what do you expect from OFFICIAL XBOX MAGAZINE???

they would be giving BIO a 9.5/10 no doubt.

as for PC GAMER they ran BIOSHOCK on a rig with 8800 gtx.

so you wont be getting the same experience on your overheated x360 with a trash CPU/GPU

[toughNAME]

just shut up kid

[FirstknighT]

WELCOME TO MY IGGY BIN!

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

ok. we get it. you hate the xbox360, and any game to come out on it. especially the ones that are great.

add another great game to the 360's side. your left with....LAIR.it's a great game, if you want to use a gimmick to play it. maybe heavenly sword will be great. wow. you MIGHT have 3 great games on your system sometime soon! something to look forward to? your wrist is a little sore from touching yourself while reading the technical specs of your overpriced BluRayForeman grill

bioshock is boring...LOLOLOL. you make me lol.

i think i may have sh1t myself. i'm not even going to go into what makes bioshock a great game, i'd be wasting finger energy on a stupid d'bag.

grow up turd

[Komrad]

DEMO

[ZombiesNJ]

What I like about lair is that it's a different type of game. Yes i know dragon games have been done before, but I think using the sixaxis is a good idea for this game. I do however think they should have made it an option considering that's what brought down the EGM review. I really do think people should give this game a chance to see if the gameplay backs up the incredible graphics. Also, I really think that most people should read reviews from as many sites/magazines as possible before making a purchase so that you can get a general consensus of what the game will really be like. If all reviews are bad, obviously it's bad. In this case I really think Lair might be a great game if people really did give it a chance. I am going to wait and see and I suggest everyone do the same before making any judgements on this game. Another good thing to do is to rent the game and see if you can really get a feel for the sixaxis controls. I look for truely innovative games and I know that this isn't the most innovative, but it certainly is different then most game out there right now. Also, I think little big planet, echocrome, flow, viva pinata, and lost planet are truely creative games that gamers should check out. I can't understand why people don't have the patience to learn or diversify their gaming tastes. It's like drinking the same beer everytime you go out or eating the same thing for dinner every night. I wish more gamers would be open to different types of games.

On another note...I wish fanboys of both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 would just relax and appreciate the great games on both systems. If you can afford both systems, great, if not, pick one that you will enjoy using the most and worse comes to worse, trade it in for the other one! I really don't care which one you like better, all I know is that YOU play on whatever system makes YOU happy. Both systems have their exclusive titles and both share some of the same titles as well. Just stop arguing about which is better then the other, it's just not necessary.

[Wile]

i'm right there with ya.

[hotshot1237]

just not THERE style which doesnt mean that people will get use 2 it and like it FOR THEMSELVES so it still sounds like a really good game. and its long. thats a plus 4 me. and if xplay thought it was good then it MUST BE GOOD

[nasim]

shut up.

I played the e3 bioshock demo at e3.

PC GAMER reviewed the PC version not the x360 one with inferior graphics.

OXM--stands for Official X360 magazine...what else do you expect an x360 game to be from official x360 magazine.

Bioshock is one of the slowest FPS till date....the graphics of BIOSHOCK is nothing compared to LAIR

shut up XTARDS

[Wile]

*speechless*

[toughNAME]

they wouldnt let a 12 year old play the E3 demo...

[Nemesis]

E3 was a closed event this year, open only to industry insiders, ie no lying little fantard scrotes like yourself. Now you've proven yourself to be a liar, why don't you STFU and find another site to troll instead because your reputation is shot round these parts.

"PC GAMER reviewed the PC version not the x360 one with inferior graphics."

Now show me a magazine that only takes graphics into consideration when reviewing a game.

[larry007]

other than that...you could have got into e3.
There were like many booths rather than one large auditorium. I went to teh EA stall during e3.

You could enter but only during certain times of the day.
I played the BIOSHOCK demo.
Yes it is the slowest FPS till date

[Nemesis]

What a coincidence, the number 1 and 2 ranked PS3 fanboys on this site both attending E3. It is a small world. Though some might think your just trying to backup your mate.

[360Crusader]

Dont you losers ever get tired. Every time I see one of you two's posts.
Its always nothing but bull. Of course where one is the other is sure to follow. I pity anyone that actually believes either of you were at E3.

You two really need to stop. You guys will say anything too keep the 360 down. Its really pathetic.

P.S. Lair does look like a decent game. But I'm a little concerned about the game play I hope its not too repetitive. But all in all the review, 3.75/5 isnt bad.

[chavafx]

omg i think the only great game now is mgs4 and its coming like in 15 months

[fopums]

if the controls being to hard is the only con then Im getting it, a steep learning curve hardly seems like that big of a deal, do the people who review these titles even play difficult games?

let me see one of these "critics" get to level 4 in super ghouls 'n ghosts and then I'll listen if they say a game is too hard

[TheExecutive]

He didnt even say the controls were too hard. He said they were accurate. He just didnt like the fact that he had to move his arms. This is nothing more than an "opinion" article. If it was a review it would have a review of the game... this is just some dude spouting off. There isnt even anything on the story.

[Mu5afir]

It's almost a 4/5 and that's from Gamepro, it seems most people have a hard-on when it comes to the controller. Remember these guys reviewed the game in a few days, they didn't have time to ADJUST TO THE CONTROL SCHEME.

Complaining about moving your body around, or twisting your hands around is a lame excuse to give a game a bad score. There was nothing wrong with the actual controls. The reviewer pretty much complained about the fact that he had to actual MOVE his hands around.. I guess there is a limit to how much movement is acceptable.

Pointing Wiimote at a screen = Acceptable
Twisting the SixAxis around = Not Acceptable

Of course you would be frustrated if you are trying to finish up a game in a week so you can put out a review before your competition. It's sad that they didn't take the time to get a handle of the controls. Because the controls is what makes this game so UNIQUE.

[greed]

I for one am proud to get a game like this even with all the false hype and the so called faulty controls that doesn't seem like a very big reason to just discard this game it looks like something that i would enjoy playing so when it comes out i am definitely planning on picking up a copy and see what i think for my self

[SF49er408]

SIXAXIS IS THE FUTURE HAHAHAHAHAHAH IT HURTS MORE THEN HELPS, BUT YEA RUMBLE ISNT THIS GEN. LMAO HOW CAN U F**K UP LAIR, ITS A DRAGON GAME?????????????????????????? ?????????????

[Close_Second]

...stating that tilt control is next-gen and that the reviews are so poor because they were not used to controlling dragons using tilt. Well, that could have been rectified if the developers also allowed gamers to use standard controls over tilt. Would not have been a difficult option and would have resulted in better reviews and potentially better acceptance of the game.

To be honest, tilt control on the PS3 is simply a poor mans cousin of what was implemented for the Wii. I would much rather have analog controls over PS3 tilt any day of the week.

[Raptors]

Wow, some seriously offended sony fanboys on here lol But in all honestly 75% is till a good score. I guess most figured it'd be higher...

[greed]

I can't believe all the xbots on here trying to hate on the game all these magazines and websites that gave it a bad rating were basically saying the controls were hard to get use to; everything else was perfect so its not a bad game its just a game with a high learning curve and some getting use to at least it is different so don't hate on the game because of something so menial regardless of the controls its still a great game

[larry007]

PS3 has multiple kller apps

we have the best FPS --KZ2

best action adventure --GOW 3

best racing sim --GT 5

best RPGs --FF13 and WKS

best online game --LBP

3d HOME with trophies

You xtard --you have 2d text achievement

cartoon halo3 + Forza 2 with plastic cars + cartoon Mass Effect with flying aliens + mega flop RPGS like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey.

The ingame footages of WKS looks much better than the ingame movies of BD and LO.

shut up BOT.

LAIR looks way better than any garbage box 360 game

[larry007]

rejoice with CARTOON HALO 3 featuring power ranger kids and cartoon ME with flying aliens

what a shame for fans of a 100% defective console