David Jaffe responds to complaints about Twisted Metal’s graphics

David Jaffe responds to the complaints from a small minority of gamers about the graphics in the upcoming Playstation 3 game, Twisted Metal.

[Blaze929]

"Also- I've played 2 very hyped demos in the last 2-3 weeks with graphics that are- to be frank- pretty damn bad. We are miles ahead of those and yet I hear no one bitching about that aspect of those games. Which is ok. I don't mind. But it does make me wonder..."

Hmmmmm, I wonder what games he's talking about. Gears of War 3 was not playable on the floor. Halo: Reach is a possibility...what else hmmmm. CoD: Black Ops maybe? What else is receiving hype with bad graphics?

[SOAD]

Neither Reach nor Gears 3 have "pretty damn bad" graphics. Maybe they're not the best but they're some of the best.

Black Ops is receiving a lot of hype and so is Medal of Honor.

[MitchGE]

The current generation is so obsessed with realistic textures that nobody remembers to address how impressive a solid 60fps in a chaotic game is. This kind of smoothness is perfect for a car combat game. When you're driving at 100+mph, blasting everyone in sight in massive levels full of destruction, you don't have time to stop and admire how many details and texture layers the brick wall on the building to the left has, but you want the game to run smooth and responsibly.

That said, Twisted Metal has some impressive texture and animation work, and some great effects. It's a strong engine. But it's the solid 60fps it maintains within these open areas and high levels of chaos that sets it up as a visual beast.

It's no Uncharted 2 or GOWIII, but it doesn't need to be. Remember, Jaffe created GOW on PS2, which set the visual benchmark in its day. If Jaffe was going for top grade visuals, he would get them. I think Eat Sleep Play is going for less textural detail to achieve that silky smooth 60fps. Nobody should be complaining here, the game looks and runs fantastic.

[hesido]

MitchGE, still shots and 30fps video don't do 60fps *any* justice. Just see them in their silky smooth 60fps glory, in motion. The E3 videos were 30fps, and doesn't reflect the game. It needs to be smooth, fast, and chaotic without hurting your eyes. For that, 60 fps is a must. And not every game has to look like Uncharted 2, which goes for a cinematic look, and has more than double the time to do it (as game engine and physics engine would not need to run faster than 30fps., tell that to a 60fps game)

[Rainstorm81]

But games like L4D series has alot of hype behind it and it is one of the worst looking pieces of shit graphically ive seen this gen.

So....It happens

The graphics issue is only being brought up because PS3 exclusives are meant to out do everything in the universe graphically and when it doesnt its marked as a failure.

I do wonder which games he was talking about, blaze it couldnt have been those games they actually look pretty good.

BTW i thought TM looks pretty good especially in the E3 trailer on PSN but maybe its just me.

[LoVeRSaMa]

Nintendo, as much as I hate to say it they dominate.. is that because of Graphics you say?

No its Gameplay and the Twsited Metal series was always about gameplay, its good to see all areas of gaming filled, I think Developers this gen were too pressured to make games with amazing visuals and in some cases lost out with gameplay.

Jaffe knows what hes doing, hes proved he can do GFX, not its time for gameplay.

Roll on Twisted Metal.

[AridSpider]

Yeah Reach and Gears of War 3 have pretty impressive visuals so I doubt he was talking about those titles. If he is...dunno why.

I could agree on Call of Duty: Black Ops though - how many more times are they gonna use that tired ass engine?

Crysis 2 doesn't have much hype. Only hype is people trying to see what the 360 can deliver. Besides that, i don't think many people care about that game.

Medal of Honor looks damn impressive so it can't be that.

If something is receiving a lot of hype it's hard to imagine that it has bad graphics. Maybe this guy is just butthurt :)

[DARK WITNESS]

@ AridSpider

Are you talking about MOH single player or the multiplayer ?

I have been playing the Beta and personally I think MOH looks crap, really, really crap ! I know it's a beta, but of all the betas I have been in the end result has never been that far off.

[raztad]

I was ok with your comment but you lost me here:

"Medal of Honor looks damn impressive so it can't be that."

Not it doesnt look impressive. Tried MoH for a few minutes before game crashed on me and it looks very underwhelming.

Black:OPS and MoH are probably the best guesses. One could say they are 30+fps but so is Twisted Metal. TM looks very good for the size of the maps, all the mayhem going on and the fast pace. Looking forward to it.

[Killjoy3000]

I think so anyways.

[ProA007]

There is no hype behind Crackdown 2 lol. That game will bomb - we all know it.

[Megaton]

Crackdown 2 looks like it's running on Warhawk's engine.

[bioshock1221]

Crackdown 2 like the guy above said has no hype at all so it's not that.

[whothedog]

I'm sure Crackdown is a fun game but man, that game looked ugly. Anyways it's not always about graphics.

[frjoethesecond]

They ruined the look of crackdown in the second one. This is one of them imo.

[xboxlj]

Are you guys actually saying that TM has better graphics than Crackdown2? And that Crackdown 2 will bomb? Would you like to wager which game sells more copies?

[Killjoy3000]

Warhawk is actually a pretty good looking game. Better looking than Crackdown 2 for sure. I mean, what it lacks in visuals it surely makes up for with 4xAA, a buttery smooth frame rate that never dips, and pretty much zero lag. The water to this day still looks sexy as well.

@xboxlj
I cannot believe you would even SUGGEST that Crackdown 2 will sell more copies than a proven franchise 15 years in the making that helped launch a console that eventually became the highest selling of all time. Have you even seen the numbers for Twisted Metal games? You sir, are delusional.

[PoSTedUP]

socom4... as a true socom fan, the graphics arnt really good at all. considering the time frame we are in.. (cant wait for the game though it is going to be the best the hell with all you haters)

edit: am i wrong? im re-thinking my comment, what do yall think does socom4 have good graphics? maybe i am a little disappointed because i am a huge fan idk a true fan should be the biggest critic.

thats the only one i can think of. anyways.. TM has good graphics, not the best, but defiantly acceptable compared to some of the newer games that have come out.

[jack_burt0n]

socom 4 looks great imo consider all the cinematics are in engine its a good looking game.

[RememberThe357]

I've never played the games but all I hear about is the gameplay. I thought it looked good. I wasn't expecting Killzone or anything out of it and I'm sure Zipper wasn't given the budget to make this game blow minds visually.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

SOCOM4 looks great. I don't know what you were expecting. It looks a lot better than Confrontation.

[arakouftaian]

so does TM and some parts of TM look old but most of the game look really good and the gameplay is realy great, same for Socom it looks
great.

[mugoldeneagle03]

Is a tricky beast to tackle graphics wise. You can't really compare it since there are no other *true* next gen SOCOM games, and if you do count Confrontation it's ahead of it by a mile.

The thing I look at is they're obviously using the same engine as MAG, no? And if that's the case, it looks damn good. A lot of people downgraded MAG for visuals, aside from the player count in game, and SOCOM 4 looks way better than MAG, and still months away from release.

I'm not comparing it to GOW3 or Uncharted by any means, but for a shooter it's definitely up there

[PoSTedUP]

ok i guess it as just that first vid where they were showing off PSMOVE, there it looked like a ps2 game, i guess the recent ones look pretty good. just the crappy vids on the internet i was watching.

[blue7xx7]

Gears 3 nor Halo Reach have bad graphics so it's obviously not those.

Anyways to be fair to this guy I remember when they announced God Of War 3 at the Video game awards and most people were saying it had crappy graphics and months later now they are considered one of the best. So I'm sure they will improve over time it wont release until 2011 so they have time.

[gta2800]

One thing you gotta love about Jaffe. He speaks his mind and keeps it real. Any other dev would of given you a bunch of fake munbo jumbo to hype you up. I personally like the graphics so far and won't mind the 30% final increase :) Getting this day one regardless! This game belongs in my PS3.

[maddhatter123]

it has to be a nintendo game since nothing at ms' conference is getting attention(slam disagree all you want it true) and it is the same with all other 3rd party devs while lots are talking about the games nintendo has shown.

[Raf1k1]

I think too many people have been spoilt with games that have great visuals. From watching the gameplay videos of Twisted Metal it does look like their major focus is on gameplay which is the main thing.

Nobody complains about Halo or Crackdown graphics yet they're lots of fun to play so I see no need to complain about the way this game looks as long as they can deliver great gameplay.

[beardpapa]

not sure if there's a fallout demo, but I think f3 vegas' graphics are pretty meh and people seem to really dig fallout 3. imo though I prefer the first two games.

[tplarkin7]

Twisted Metal was born on PS1 and it shows. It looked like a top down PSN title.

[kanetheking]

u ment to go around at 100mph shoot everything what u think it gt5 lol.

[sixaxis]

damn, im finding hard time to get rid of my beta keys. ppl just dont want into MOH beta, with all this negative feedback they dont care about it anymore. forexample last night it took 3 hours before anyone responded to my key giveaway in another forum.

so anyway, i have 1 left,so whoever wants one, PM me.

EDIT: got rid of it, yay

[Chucky2003]

Crackdown2

[FACTUAL evidence]

My only problem with TM ATM is the explosions, and the way things get destroyed. Do you see when someone crashes into a house? It just disapears then the house is down. I think water effects/explosions/environment crumbing needs to be worked on the most.

[sashimi]

@ FACTUAL
the houses just disappearing is a bug and it will be fixed according to jaffe

[ico92]

well if you look at God Of War 3 and then you look at Twisted Metal both were developed by Jaffe, you can see why people are curious.

[Strange_Evil]

GOW3 was not developed by Jaffe, it was developed by Sony Santa Monica studios.. Jaffe was only part of SSM in part 1 after which he left and created his own studio Eat Sleep and Play.

ESP studio is small and doesn't have the funding of SSM. To be fair GOW is a much bigger franchise than TM. GOW3 had a budget of 45 million,I doubt TM has even half that budget.

Besides, TM is all about blowing stuff and that part of the game looked ridiculously fun at E3....

[raztad]

Jaffe himself explained the KEY difference between GoW3 and TM visuals. It all comes down to memory management.

GoW3 as a slower paced game relays in constant streaming from disk, so they can flush and load high quality textures every time they are needed. On the other hand TM runs a lot faster and disk streaming is not a feasible solution (unless you want to see popins) so the game needs to keep textures on RAM most of the time. 500M RAM is not that much so compromises are needed.

[SpLinT]

He's talking about Zelda and some other.

[Rock Bottom]

Twisted Metal have always had bad graphics to be honest, and wasn't this supposed to be a PSN only game at one point?

That being said, the graphic really could have been better.

[lelo2play]

From the videos Twisted Metal's graphics were average, nothing special... nor did i like the gameplay... but i have never played any Twisted Metal game.

[iPirates]

Graphics look fine to me. Maybe give the exploding buildings a little more animation/debris... other then that, when it comes to shooting cars, and demolishing everything anyway, are you really gonna care?

[mastiffchild]

Two things(and I'm still not interested in TM as a series as there's just nothing there to hook me in)-we've seen mostly online game play, no?Secondly, it's using the Warhawk engine isn't it?

Now, and I am stupid so bear with me a minute, neither of those things would indicate, to me, cutting edge visuals but a slight downplay from SP and an engine happier making a game silky smooth to play rather than one to wow you instantly with eye candy.

I'm no fan of what I've seen so far but even so I can still see why he's gone the way he has and why it's best for THIS game. People can be so dim at times.

As for the two games he goes on about-there's really no point second guessing someone who won't tell you anyway and could also just be talking crap. He's only, rightly, sticking up for his game and explaining the trade offs(for the billionth time) to people barely removed from Amoeba, it seems.

[callahan09]

He's not talking about Gears 3 or Halo Reach, they both have very nice graphics. He simply must be talking about Crackdown 2 for one of those two games, though. Not sure what the other could be, but Crackdown 2 has pretty miserable graphics in my opinion.

[callahan09]

Not sure what the disagrees are about. Gears 3 and Halo Reach look good, I don't know why anybody would think he's talking about those games or think that they could be described as "pretty damn bad" in terms of graphics. On the other hand, I don't know how you can disagree that Crackdown 2 looks pretty damn bad, in terms of graphics. Just look at the game. Don't judge it on fun here (when you go to play it, definitely judge it on fun, but not for this since the whole point is to talk about graphics), and just look at the visuals. There are honestly very few games coming out that don't look better than Crackdown 2 purely in terms of visuals.

[JumpNPlayBon]

you've got disagrees because he said HYPED games. Crackdown2 has NO hype behind it. If anything he is talking about zelda, which looks terrible, but gets a pass from gamers in love with the past joys of zelda.

[scofios]

@Blaze929
crack down ?

[Imperator]

Maybe one of the demos is Crackdown 2. It had terrible graphics and gameplay.

[ghostface]

Pretty good graphics, but not as good as everybody saying.

[despair]

yea i don't think crysis 2 can even compare to the original crysis.

[Lou-Cipher]

I think TM PS3 is going to be great, but there is no reason not to have great graphics anymore. The PS3's hardware is very capable, and there is no excuse for mediocre graphics on the system.

Twisted Metal doesn't have to look like Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2, but we PS3 owners do expect a certain level of graphics that should be met on every single game.(especially if it is an exclusive game) There is still alot of time before this game gets released, so hopefully it looks alot better than it does now. (The gameplay looks amazing though)

Dont skimp on the sound either, I want 7.1 HD sound also. :)

[SOAD]

"but we PS3 owners do expect a certain level of graphics that should be met on every single game.(especially if it is an exclusive game)"

Speak for yourself. I don't care what the visuals are like. I'm sure the game will be a blast.

LMAO @ "we PS3 owners." It's not a cult, and I feel sad that you think you're part of some elite group.

Edit:

You're not paying 10 bucks extra because of better graphics. You're paying 10 bucks extra because the hardware companies are racking up huge losses on their consoles and have to raise the prices to offset those losses, and the publishers are looking to make larger profits.

The notion that you're paying 10 bucks extra for better quality is bullshit. The publishers already had the technology to make good-looking games last-gen. They were merely limited by the console hardware and had to tone down the visuals from PC level to console level.

Next gen, console games will cost 75 bucks instead of 65. Publishers will claim that 3D is the reason, but EA already said that it doesn't cost that much more to make a game 3D.

[Lou-Cipher]

We pay next gen prices for games, we should get next gen visuals.

You dont need to be part of an "elite group" to realize that.

We pay $60 bucks for our games instead of $50 like we did last gen. Why? because we are supposed to get better graphics & better sound.

If developers are making last gen games, then why should we pay next gen pricing?

You are right, it probably will be a blast, and I know graphics dont make gameplay any better, but it definetly adds more value to the games we play, and since we are are paying for it, we should absolutely be getting it.

[Unicron]

No Lou...

"We pay $60 bucks for our games instead of $50 like we did last gen. Why? because we are supposed to get better graphics & better sound. "

You pay $60 because development costs have skyrocketed for next gen systems. It takes a lot of skilled people a lot of time to write code for the 360 and PS3, and it just takes longer to make HD assets (textures, models, etc). Are you GUARANTEED something ground breaking every time? Certainly not. It's up to the budget and dev schedule. Not every game gets the support in time and money that GT5 or KZ3 get.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

It will have a lot better graphics, it is in Pre alpha, the lighting, particles, shadows, textures is not like the final product.

But yeah, like you said, this game is not about Graphics.

[thebudgetgamer]

one of the first games i bought was namco museum to play galaga. as a matter of fact i own it for four consoles and the plug n play.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Who is this "we" you keep speaking of? Please don't throw all of "us" into the same boat. You think we're paying $60 for better graphics and sound? lol I have been gaming since Intellivision, and I swear the mentality of the average gamer has not dipped this low in contrast to the previous generation EVER before. I cannot wrap my head around it. Game prices went up because development costs went up. Wii games cost the same as last generation or less because the console itself is on old technology. Some games look better than other. That's just how things are. I don't know about people like you, but I'm paying $60 for a good game, not because it looks better than the game that came out last month.

[ClownBelt]

Crysis 2? Those guys boasts about graphical power all the time...

[DJexs]

David Jaffe doesn't take shit from anyone.

[Kamikaze135]

They look find to me. My problem is that the levels are too open and look empty. I'll still probably end up getting it, but adding things like more obstacles, buildings, ramps?, or interesting mechanics would help.

[Inside_out]

The game looks like it could be alot of fun. There will be multi-player and big environments. Unfortunately, many great games have come out this gen with great graphics. Twisted Metal, as of right now doesn't measure up to those standards. Look at a game like Rage which features driving sections and I think most would agree some fantastic graphics. If Twisted Metal looked liked that David Jaffe would of brought the house down. I for one was kinda embarrassed for the guy. KZ 3 made his game look like a PS2 title. He's lucky he didn't come out right after that demo.

[LightofDarkness]

Not particularly fair considering:

TM has a boatload of destructibility
Not every development team has John Carmack at the technical helm

Seriously, don't expect to see many games that look as great as RAGE that also run at 60FPS. There's a reason why Carmack is so renowned in the industry, he is a technical genius. He has somewhere near to 16 years worth of experience in building 3D graphics engines from the ground up. In an ideal world every development team would have people like him, but they unfortunately do not.

[raztad]

@cez

Have you seen RAGE car combat gameplay? it's empty, static, there is nothing destructible or dynamic, only nice looking textures.

http://gamevideos.1up.com/v...

[KwietStorm_BLM]

For one, the design is no different than any other Twisted Metal, just bigger actually. Second, you've only seen 2 levels. Go watch the behind closed doors walkthrough by Jaffe if you want to see lots of ramps.

[HopSkotch]

Zelda *cough*

[SOAD]

Possibly.

[Bellcross]

I got to admit I admire his attitude lol.

[Unicron]

The game certainly needs work, but like Crackdown 2, if its fun who cares?

I saw NO slowdown and NO screentearing which bodes well.

[Letros]

I thought it looked pretty good for a TM game, I guess I still have memories of TM Black in my head...lol

[Pika-pie]

When I saw the Twisted Metal trailer I thought they were showing footage of the PS2 game and were waiting for them to fade to the PS3 version.

[jack_burt0n]

Its not complaining its just saying if the ICE team gets involved we all win :P the scope and going inside buildings looks great.

[LightofDarkness]

People were complaining about the graphics? The only problem I had was when the building debris would disappear, but he already said that's being fixed, so... what's the problem?

[blasian]

While I do not see what the problem about the graphics was there is a silver lining. Jaffe will work extra hard to make the graphics better to shut the haters up.

[despair]

i dunno i thought the game looked great, not the powerhouse of UC2 to say but not bad graphically, where people get this is beyond me, maybe low res videos ?

[rumithi]

Summary
if u dont want the game just dont buy it

[N4BmpS]

Okay he just made that statement via twitter they really do Eagle eye these statements huh? Anyway on topic, I'm happy with how TM looks just because it's on the PS3 everyone expects it to be a Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 esque game graphically. I like how the graphics look I expect hectic gameplay and I know Jaffe and his team is going to make TwISTED mETAL look good.

[DoomeDx]

I dont get the complaints..

judging from the ingame footage, this game looks like a big bunch of fun!

[whothedog]

Maybe Vanquish is one of the games he is talking about?

[MonopolyRSV]

The black smoke and flames coming off the buildings looked really beefy. The particle effects and explosions are whats most important.

[DoomeDx]

Exacly!

Particles & Explosions are the most important things in graphics (for me!)
Its feel so rewarding to just ram a car, and see all kinds of particles flying out of it!

[niceguywii60]

Never hear anything about the graphics just the physics.

[webeblazing]

lol i love when the guy speaks no bs and he dont bite his tounge for no one

[KiLLz]

Halo reach,and Crackdown 2

[Thatguy-310]

To be honest i quite was a little disappointed at first when seeing the game-play shown at E3 but i know theirs still time for the game to be polish in fact its only been in development for 18 months which isn't a lot...But is it my fault that we expect impressive visuals from every ps3 exclusive ?? As exclusive come out they seem to surpass one another so i was expecting this game to surpass the visuals of the passed exclusives....However looking at the game-play over and over I've come to the conclusion that this game is like a halo game;it wont impress you with the visuals but when it comes to game-play it goes all balls.... Cant wait for this game !!!! Day one purchase for me with or without the best visuals out their.

[DigitalAnalog]

Have you ever pulled out the GOW Collection? Those were just HD upgrades. JUST HD UPGRADES? And it's already beating Dante's Inferno.

-End statement

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I don't care what it looks like.

The graphics are actually better than I expected.

I just want good gameplay...and very few titles deliver like Twisted Metal...with few developers delivering like Jaffe.

[Veneno]

Well i really wasnt impressed with TM at E 3. but i would buy this if it had Nate Drake in a jeep or a chopper, kratos on a chariot pulled by pegasuses, Sackboy on a go kart, Madison Paige on her motorbike, and Old Snake in a metal gear. and it would all have to be free.

[AntBoogy90]

Who the fuck cares? I hate when people are like "ewww the graphics suck" but it might possibly be the funnest game you've ever played. Stingy and picky motherfuckers.

[anonymouse111335]

Developers are focusing on GAMEPLAY and not graphics once this gen? THE WORLD IS ENDING /sarcasm

[boysenberry]

Since when was Twisted Metal ever about the graphics? The gameplay is what makes Twisted Metal great. I'm sure by the time TM PS3 is released, it will have great graphics, maybe not mind blowing graphics, but good graphics.

[Spenok]

The game isnt out, sit down, shut up, and wait for the final version to judge the game about its graphics. AND not to mention that if GRAPHICS were what really mattered about a game and how FUN it is...then doesnt that just say that every game ever created before this generation is now irrelivant? They are now longer good because there graphics now suck (compared to todays standards) the game now sucks? Just a thought. (and something ive been saying for years) Graphics dont make a game, yea, they enhance the experience, but they also dont matter. If the game is fun, thats all that matters.

[Jeff-Ryan]

looks like a PS2 game in HD.

[Prcko]

PPL want everting in one lol,they can't make this game with for example uncharted 2 graphics because in that situation game will run on 5 fps lol,this is fast combat game where you need a lot of skill and you need to BE FAST,so if you don't like fast combat games don't even try this out because it's not for you :)

[jay2]

'God of War 2 is a third-person action adventure set in Greek mythology for the Sony Playstation 2 Console. It has, much to critical claim, exceeded what made the first title (God of War I) popular – most especially in game play, weapon options, graphics, atmosphere, and pretty much everything.'

'
God of War 2's atmosphere is brilliantly done, due to the excellent graphics, music, voice acting, storytelling and non-stop action. All of these factors contribute to make a very believable (and complex) world, along with very believable characters. '

http://www.absolute-playsta...

Now, what a TW review will say.

'Looking at Jaffe's previous game, GOW II, graphically this is a nightmare. There are more than a handful of much better looking PS3 exclusives. The lack of a Limited edition, no MOVE support, reduction to an M rating, and inability to play in 3D have really let, what is still a great game drop several levels on the review scale.'

I see 7/10's for this game, for the reasons in the fake TM review.

[PSwheeze]

You dolt....Jaffe didn't have anything to do with God of War II

[Prcko]

Do i smell:
OMG I DON'T HAVE PS3 :(((

[darkdoom3000]

Infamous 1 looked pretty bad, (nonexistant AA, faces looked horrid) but was one hell of a game! Graphics arent everything.

[NarooN]

This is why I like Jaffe. He's so down-to-earth. Not afraid to say what he's thinking regardless of who he's around. I don't know what games he was possibly referencing, but he's a badass anyway so oh well!

[Equinoxe_7]

Warhawk, nuff said, fun game, but difficult.

[No Way]

He may not have wanted to name them because they could be Sony games?
If that's the case, I'd say LBP2 comes to mind. Don't get me wrong, looks good.
For that kinda game, but, other than that, I really wouldn't have any other idea.
Usually Jaffe speaks him mind, so, honestly.. that's the only reasonable thing I can think of.

On Topic:
I think the graphics look just fine, and if they get a boost, great!
But, hell, for all I care, they could go back to the PS1 or 2 days.
Because, frankly, I jus love the game, and I play it for the game.

Not graphics.

[yogaflame]

I'll give you over rated games with bad graphics but they are so hype.

1. Red dead redemption
2. Halo Reach
3. Crack down 2

Those who complain are just fanboys who are so jealous we have a lot of exclusives. And I dont see any problems with the visuals. It already looks great even at pre alpha stage. Great textures and lighting effect.\

And for you bone heads, it is its art style thats why it looks that way

[No Way]

How is Crackdown 2 overrated.. really?

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

But but the cell???

This game looks sooooooo bad. The building explosions are a joke. Even Burnout which is a very old game looks miles better than this with better explosions. I expected something that is better than the explosions in Split Second. I mean first party games that use the cell looks awesome, right? PSHHHHH!!!! The level design is dull. Nuke sounds stupid. This will be the worst Twisted Metal ever.

It's a shame really. Such a sweet franchise that looks too finally lost its magic.

[bjornbear]

headbutt you , break your nose in 15 different places ;)

[DA_SHREDDER]

It doesn't matter, every game I play on my 1080p 600hrz plasma looks amazing, even ps2 and Wii games. I didn't know that there was such a huge difference between 60 hrz and 600 hrz tvs till I seen it with my own eyes. Which makes me wonder how many of you fanboys on here only have 60 hrz tvs because yall bitch so much about games and their supposed bad graphics like WKC and MAG, then I play them on my Panasonic Veira, yah there is a huge difference when played on just an okay tv, compared to a top of the line tv set. Which is probably why most Microsoft lovers cant tell the difference between ps3 exclusives and 360 exclusives when it comes to graphics.

This game is gonna look amazing on my new tv.

[FragMnTagM]

running in 600 hrz right? It does help with motion blur as games are fast paced and suffer from having a slight ghost image on 60hrz and lower TV's. But to say that by having a plasma TV that supports 600hrz, makes all the games look better, especially ps2 and wii games, I think you have lost your mind. The best TV's in the world could not make GTA San Andreas have less jaggies, or improve the textures on polygons.

To be fair, I actually have a brand new 58" Samsung 600hrz TV. Everything looks great on it, but does it improve the graphics of a game, or for that matter make Sony games look way better than the 360 games, HELL NO! It is impossible to do (well as of right now). There is not a mile wide gap in graphics between the PS3 and the 360.

All of the PS3 games with outstanding graphics are all heavily scripted and basically on rails games. When the PS3 gets into wide open games, it takes a beating just look at GTA4, MAG, and inFamous. They are all great games, but took a hit in graphics by opening up the levels and not being on rails. A lot of 360 games have done huge open levels worlds and environments and have great gameplay and not focused too heavily in graphics, but that gets hated on like no tomorrow. But when it happens on the PS3 it is ok. I swear fanboys wouldn't know logic if it slapped them in the face with it's c0ck.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

LOL Shredder has no idea what he's talking about. Typical sony fanboy smarts.

[Equinoxe_7]

What's more important, gameplay or graphic, i mean they go hand in hand, but gameplay is little more important.

[yogaflame]

I'll give you over rated games with bad graphics but they are so hype.

1. Red dead redemption
2. Halo Reach
3. Crack down 2
4. Halo 3 so over rated
5. FF13
6. GTA

Those who complain are just fanboys who are so jealous we have a lot of exclusives. And I dont see any problems with the visuals. It already looks great even at pre alpha stage. Great textures and lighting effect.\

And for you bone heads, it is its art style thats why it looks that way

[FragMnTagM]

had great graphics, with the exclusion of Crackdown 2. Cannot vouch for FF13 as I don't like the series, but everything else you mentioned are all great games. What is your point?

[divideby0]

at least he is being honest, telling gamers to stay clear if they want KZ graphics

when was the last time you heard a developer be that candid ?

[gamingisnotacrime]

he has made great games in the past, but the last 5 years have been all talk and no show. TM on PS3 does not look like a PS3 game, the complaints may help him step up his game and polish it a lot more than originally planned or at least i hope. At this point in the HD gen specially in the PS3 life cycle where exclusives only get better and better TM will have a hard time catering to the spoiled PS3 owners :)

[FragMnTagM]

So it is ok for PS3 games to be lacking the graphics department as long as the game is fun, but if it is a 360 game has mediocre graphics (Crackdown 2) it is not ok? Where the hell is the logic in that?

I have played the Crackdown 2 demo several times and it is a blast to play. Does it have the best graphics? NO. But, it does have a ridiculously awesome fun factor.

Ok, so now I know that it is all right have crappy graphics on my PS3, but not my 360, gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up Sony Cult.

[bjornbear]

its because those games aren't PS3 exclusives. they are simply held to a higher standard (because they have higher standards visually)

no worries jaffe, the game looks solid and fun =D i don't care so as long as it looks GOOD.

[nefertis]

Dave jaffe have been in the game industry for years, so he knows wat he's talking about.

[N4OGs]

That means you have no right to be in this thread bashing a game when you dont even play the games with the best graphics that are worth 60 bucks.

Only people who can say anything are the people who own a ps3 and play the ps3 games with the best graphics.

With that said twisted metal looks way better then crackdown 2 with 60fps, 16 player online, destrucatable environments etc.

[JumpNPlayBon]

Unbelievable. If this game had come out for the 360 looking like this you people would be tearing into the dev.

I know this to be true because EVERYTIME a Halo article is posted about it's graphics the same people are quick to downplay them.

Same thing happened with AW.

Now that it's a PS3 exclusive, the graphics doesn't matter, it's about the gameplay?

The same was said about the other games yet you guys RIPPED them.
Ugh! I hate fanboys, ALL of you guys suck.