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Kinect Can't Detect Wrist Movement

GameXplain Says: "According to Business Insider's Mark Wilson, Kinect is unable to pick up some of the more subtle movements of the human body, such as wrist movement. He noticed this when playing the bowling game featured in Kinect Sports. He was told by the developers that "the game can't track spin based upon a twist of [the[ wrist"--an unfortunate quirk considering its importance in the sport of bowling."

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pwnsause5067d ago

BEHOLD!!!! THE CONTROLLER OF THE FUTURE!!

Tricksy5067d ago

With such precision and controll, i cant wait to play Fable and Gears and all the other great games Kinect will support

ShinMaster5067d ago

Kinect, the final product, is a lot less impressive than previously promised. I.e. it can't detect individual fingers, or in this case, even wrist movements.

secksi-killer5067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

i hate kinetic as much as you. i also hate move, but i know you lot love it lol

but, when are you lot going to realise that all the pathetic blogs wrote just for n4g, and all the same pathetic fanboy nonsense that you repeat everyday, is NOT CHANGING ANYTHING IN THE REAL WORLD!!!!!!!

get it into your heads, outside of the other sony fanboys that exist on here, no one cares what you think or what you write. and no one cares about pathetic blogs wrote just for you lot on here. give it up, its annoying reading the same crap everyday. theres only two types of threads that reach high comments on n4g>.

those that praise sony, and those that attack microsoft or try to downplay anything it does.....and both threads are normally full of the same idiotic fanboys

now im sorry to say this, but i think kinetic will be big, really big.

rockleex5067d ago

But why are YOU excited for Kinect?

Just so you can play the sales game?

Me, I'd rather be excited for PS Move because it has shown that it can be utilized real well in core games that I care about.

ShinMaster5066d ago

Tricksy obviously didn't see the sarcasm in pwnsause's comment.

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Godmars2905067d ago

Well, why do you think they're working on Natal 2 already?

Meryl5067d ago

I already pointeD this out pre-E3, but as usual everyone was in denial, oh well at least most of us know the truth now, it's a shame that some people beleive ms after everything that happened at E3.

ThanatosDMC5067d ago

I'm kinda curious how to shift gears during racing games or step on the pedals for that matter, especially since they're saying it doesnt work while sitting down.

eggbert5067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

didn't have gear shifting enabled, but you controlled acceleration/braking with your foot. Foot forward meant gas, footbackward meant brakes.

Forza Kinect doesn't have acceleration or braking or shifting gears. You just steer the car.

Both games were optimized for standing as well, Forza dev's even think it would probably have some problems with a sitting player.

ThanatosDMC5067d ago

That'll make it more like cart racing instead. But i guess that's what Blur is for... but how would you switch from different items and how would you attack is beyond me.

Rainstorm815067d ago

I thought they said all you could do on forza was steer.

Either way i cant wait til actual people get this in thier homes........i predict the HD DVD addon all over again

KingKiff5067d ago

This is getting hilarious now. I can see this piece of tech disappointing a lot of people, causing a lot of negative press for MS.

I did want one, but after the E3 presentation I changed my mind, all these new details are just concreting my opinion.

FLOP!

FACTUAL evidence5067d ago

really getting irritating to the point that natal seems completely unfinished. Every time I come to N4G there is something new about natal sucking harder than the previous day. So far, my perspective, Natal sucks serious donkey dong.

Bigpappy5067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

You are wasting your time here with the hard core who already own 360's. you have to reach all those casuals from MTV and news papers and the malls.
A few week before MOve is launched, M$ will have Kiosk in front of every Game Stop, Sears, ToysRus and KBtoys in the Mall. They will also be in Walmarts and bestbuys for the casuals to dance and jump infront of.

Tony P5067d ago

Who cares at this point? :/

It has more than proved itself as not being made for the loyal fanbase, but for the largely ignorant masses who play their games an hour a month.

vhero5067d ago

The one game that sold millions of wiis was the bowling game Kinect needed to get this right and it seems a camera alone cannot do that. You need a controller and its a shame really as Kinect has the best looking bowling game of the 3 consoles too. Some things will work better with Kinect some with MOVE. Bowling is better with MOVE.

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Godmars2905067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

When companies like MS stop presenting products before they're ready?

So this means you can't play any tennis related titles with it? Not that I play tennis titles mind.

Bigpappy5067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

Thats cool. Just remember that none of this is official. Also remember that Kinect is the number one selling item on amazon. Selling like Hot Cakes. I ordered mine early to make sure I get one this year. I will test the bowling, boxing and the tennis. I would post a full review, right here on N4G, after I play.

All the trolling and repeating roamors, just goes to show the fear of fanboys that Kinect is winning the motion war and the console war for M$. If this keeps up, M$ could pass the wii in 2 years, may be even 1.

Patrick5067d ago

lol... Yall keep saying that.. but selling good doesnt make it good.. just means disappointment for those will be coming in Nov.

Natal/kinect sucks.

MNicholas5067d ago

The world doesn't even know Kinect exists. Kinect was announced, literally, a few days ago, with little fanfare outside of the dork circle. The dork circle doesn't like motion control. Microsoft is buying up the online preorders themselves.

That's why the actual physical locations of Gamespot, Walmart, Target and Best Buy don't have thousands of people calling up asking to preorder Kinect.

HolyOrangeCows5067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

1) Those are pre-orders, not sales.
2) If you enjoy watching amazon and looking at sales charts more than playing games, I almost feel bad for you. And crap is still crap even if everyone purchases it. High sales of crap won't make it turn into gold.
3) You plan to "test" it out and you're going to post a fanboy review? Good for you, spending $100-150 to be a guinea pig.

Qui-Gon Jim5067d ago

That's sold, what, 22 million copies? That's twice as many as Halo 3. I'm not saying that Kinect is good, but it may end up being very popular. And while all those people are playing Dance Central, I'll be playing Killzone 3 with Move. To each his own.

ARBitrator5067d ago

That was the most retard and desperate comment I have yet to read on N4G. I hope you were just kidding around.

MNicholas5067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

I'm not kidding and it's easy to verify. There's no demand for Kinect, an unknown product which was announced (not even released) a few days ago, at brick-and-mortar stores (where vast majority of retail sales occur) yet it's magically "selling" (pre-orders) in massive quantities online.

Any one who's been in the field can tell you that this is classic market manipulation. It's like buying your own stock to make the price go up. Oh wait, Microsoft did that too.

It's Microsoft who's desperate and this, among the many other desperate measures (exaggerated claims, fake videos, paying 3rd rate celebrities to say "your body is the controller!", etc...), is standard practice for them.

Arnon5067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

"Microsoft is buying up the online preorders themselves."

Oh god, seriously? Is this a joke? MNicholas, you seriously need to get out more. Unknown you say? The entire conference was broadcast in the center of Time Square for over 2 hours. They've held over 4 major events to every major celebrity. They're being advertised at GameStop, EB Games, and every other major game retailer on the market, and they're not going to waste their money pre-ordering from f*cking Amazon. Even my damn MOTHER knows about this thing.

But I guess all the events that Microsoft held didn't particularly click in that ridiculous mind of yours, did it? You better hope for your sake, that Kinect never hits 3 million sold. Seriously, you are the eptiome of delusional. Now quit crying.

Qui-Gon Jim5067d ago

I'm not going to claim that Microsoft is doing this (last I saw there was an ad for Kinect on the main video games page of amazon which could be the reason, too), but he is right that it does get done. There was a case of a certain book that was being bought up by some political action committee and being stored in a warehouse specifically to move it up the bestsellers list.

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MNicholas5067d ago (Edited 5067d ago )

stop being over-hyped and Microsoft stops over-promising and under-delivering.

The context for interpreting the information is this: The single largest portions of the human brain dedicated to sense and control of the human body are concentrated around the hands.

Yet Kinect does not detect fingers. It doesn't even detect the wrist movement. Nor does it provide any tactile feedback to the hands. The Wii, on the other hand, recognizes finger control and wrist motion and also provides tactile feedback. That's why the Wii works great for bowling and, in fact, most potential motion applications. Presumably, Move provides the same degree of control as the Wii but with greater precision and less lag.

Kinect is half-baked. The low-resolution sensor and limited processing power allocated on the 360 CPU prevent it from being much more than an Eyetoy wannabe.

DORMIN5067d ago

I tried it myself at E3 and it is a purely casual experience and, more so, its a pretty broken one.

During the Kinectamals demo it asks you to name your animal and I saw some guy literally say a name 20 times and it just kept asking him. He got so pissed he just walked away while everyone was watching him. lol

Xwow20085067d ago

maybe ur right about ms buying there product to rank them high in top 10 sellers...if u see the amazon top 100 there is only 1 kinect game at the rank 50!!
Its strange because hows the product is ranking high while while just 1 game in the pre order with low sales....are ppl just buying kinect for the interface??idon,t think so.

secksi-killer5067d ago

i live in france, and on the way to work monday morning last week, i heard them talking about it on the radio. sorry, but kinetic is going to be big

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Yardie5067d ago

but i want to stroke a tiger!

LordStig5067d ago

You wanna stroke a snake as well?

Ingram5067d ago

ooh, hoho!, how imaginative! touched a fiber there, eh? facepalm much during the Skittles E3 prerecorded promo mmh?

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saint_john_paul_ii5067d ago

WTF? this is like the wii before the motion plus attachment years ago then...

sashimi5067d ago

maybe they'll introduce an addon for an addon :P

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Joy Ride Turbo - The Beginning of the End for Xbox Kinect

Joy Ride Turbo launched 10 years ago today. The first title was Xbox Kinect exclusive, yet this sequel failed to support the device at all.

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10 of the Biggest Video Game Hardware Failures Ever

Cultured Vultures: "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal, and no matter how much developers might try, some gaming hardware just fails to hit the mark. We’ve compiled a list of 10 gaming hardware fails, and boy did some fail hard."

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Knightofelemia834d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog833d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry916833d ago (Edited 833d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing69833d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming833d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer79833d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember833d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog833d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop833d ago (Edited 833d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog833d ago (Edited 833d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop833d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic833d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop832d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic832d ago (Edited 832d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal833d ago (Edited 833d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic833d ago (Edited 833d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf10833d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar833d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf10833d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell833d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf10833d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv72833d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming833d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog833d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming833d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming833d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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Pivotal Decisions in Gaming History - Xbox Goes All-In on Kinect

Xbox 360's Kinect had flopped yet Microsoft insisted on mandatory Kinect for Xbox One, driving the price up and alienating their potential customers.

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darthv721010d ago

the tech was pretty damn good but their focus on making it the centerpiece was not. Had they opted to keep it as a secondary or even tertiary device, it may have found new use for AR/VR.

PrimeVinister1010d ago

Maybe. But they were two early for VR and too late for motion control

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Godmars2901010d ago

Their focus was marketing metrics. Information gathering for targeted advertising. Also "event curating" or head counting for special TV events. If MS had had their way with always online and mandatory Kinect pre COVID, as and during it they'd likely be turning into dominant presence in many Western homes. Be getting subsidized by Disney and other streamers as well as the NFL.

Thing was, Kinect as an actual game system, its games, just weren't ready. MS moved on it too soon. Thankfully.

Atticus_finch1010d ago

Sorry but it was incredibly bad for gaming. The thing barely worked as intended and the games were broken shovelware. And let's not forget all the lies from Xbox to try and sell it. What happened to Milo?
It's like Xbox it's a perpetual lying machine.

PrimeVinister1010d ago

I had almost forgotten about Milo. It looks so unbelievable in retrospect. How did anyone believe it?!

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TheEnigma3131010d ago

Kinect requirement, TV focused, DRM, and $100 buried Xbone before it even stared.

PrimeVinister1010d ago (Edited 1010d ago )

I think Kinect was the worst of the bunch. They reversed DRM overnight and try to play down the TV stuff when they realised it made them look disinterested in gaming.

Kinect stuck around for six months, preventing sales and making more and more people upset when they dropped the Kinect and the price.

Atticus_finch1010d ago

Don't forget the inferior hardware which affects their game development to this day.
And the constant boasting and lying that hasn't change very much to this day.

kayoss1010d ago

I was kind of excited for the kinect. It had potential. That was until i tried it at one of their Microsoft store. The thing was so laggy and worker who was there, had no clue what he was doing. It kind of made rethink about buying an Xbox One with Kinect.

PrimeVinister1010d ago

I had already been turned off of the idea by Kinect for 360. Even when it worked, the games were bad and showed no potential.

Wii made you understand what they were going to do with it within about 10 seconds of Wii Sports. It went on to become a bit of a joke but at least it worked and had a purpose.

Thundercat771010d ago

The damage to the Xbox brand was so hard that til this day they are just the last place brand in the market.

PrimeVinister1010d ago

Totally. They haven't been really all that relevant since.

Godmars2901010d ago

That has to do with repeatedly failing, having to reaffirm only to again fail at creating a competent flow of decent games.

@PrimeVinister:
Until Game Pass and BC are mentioned. Only for the point to be missed.

kayoss1010d ago

thats because they dont know what they want to be. A gaming console, Television, or a gaming service?

Godmars2901010d ago

@kayoss:
They wanted, expected, to be Steam. To have everyone coming to them and paying for the privilege. That's the exact mentality on display when they tried to push always online.

brewin1009d ago

Its sad because the Xbox one version of Kinect was actually pretty solid. Not for motion games, I couldnt care less about those, but for the other features that are now commonplace in the gaming ecosystem. Things like voice control and optional motion features in games. Stuff that Sony did with the PS camera was pretty sweet and they could have done some of that stuff with Kinect.

The tech was pretty sweet when implemented right though. Who remembers the implementation in Dead Rising 3?! You could lure zombies away by saying stuff into the kinect, it was a bit hokey at first, but it actually enhanced the game significantly once you learned all the different voice commands. There was and still is nothing else like that!

The focus on TV seemed to be an issue for people, but the TV pass through had some real potential. They could have had cable companies giving the XBone out instead of cable boxes! I understood what they were trying to do, but they needed to show the games too, and thats where they lost the core gamers. Being able to jump right to a sports event or TV show with out leaving the console was actually a pretty cool thing. I spent many nights switching between NHL games or TV shows and jumping right back into my games seamlessly, just by telling Kinect to do so. It was better than people care to admit, but I loved it!

People say XBone had no games, but on launch I got Dead Rising 3, AC Black Flag, Watch Dogs, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Forza 5, and Ryse. That was actually a pretty solid lineup in hindsight! Then later on it got gems like Quantum Break, Dead Rising 4, Sunset Overdrive, Gears 4 and 5, the Ori games, Rare Replay, Forza Horizon 3/4, State of Decay 2, ReCore (SUPER UNDERRATED GEM), Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, and all the great 3rd party stuff as well! I dare anyone who sat on the Xbox One to go back and give it a shot now.

It was actually a pretty great console all things considered. Yes the PS4 had better 1st party stuff, stuff that MS just couldnt top or even compete with, but there are some really great games that a lot of people missed out on that they would probably really enjoy if they actually played them. Thats why I recommend a Series S and Gamepass to a lot of people, as its a great way to get an awesome lineup pf games for super cheap!

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